2015 SF Board Mock Draft 1: Discussion and Mocking Thread

[Mick]

Wanted to give big props to B2B for working with me on this. Apparently iPhone ips are banned from the site, so my participation was 90% texts. Will post panthers final results:

2.35: Nelson agholor, we, usc
2.57: jay ajayi, rb
3.68: Ty sombrailo, or
4.102: Cedric reed, de, texas
4.124: Justin cox, s, miss st
5.160: Mitch morse, og
6.198: Gerald Christian, te, louisville
7.236: Damien Wilson, Ilb, Minnie
7.242: deandre carter, wr/kr, sac st

[bradshaw2ben]

Pittsburgh Steelers 2015 draft, Mock 1:
1.32 Jalen Collins, CB, LSU
2.54 Ha'uoli Kikaha, OLB, Washington
3.77 Steven Nelson, CB, Oregon State
3.88 Henry Anderson, DE, Stanford
4.111 Laurence Gibson, OT, Virginia Tech
4.122 Clayton Geathers, S, Central Florida
6.183 Jean Sifrin, TE, UMass
6.202 Houston Bates, OLB, Louisiana Tech
6.208 Dominique Brown, RB, Louisville
7.238 Brandon Wegher, RB, Morningside (via Iowa)
7.250 Jacob Hagen, FS, Liberty
7.251 Neal Sterling, WR/TE, Monmouth

[Obviously]

Packers 2015 Mock Draft

1.30 Eric Kendricks, ILB, UCLA
2.62 Jesse James, TE, Penn State
3.94 Daryl Williams, OT, Oklahoma
4.129 Jordan Hicks, OLB, Texas
5.165 Josh Harper, WR, Fresno State
6.203 JaCorey Shepherd, CB, Kansas
6.209 Malcolm Brown, RB, Texas
6.210 Ryan Russell, DE, Purdue
7.246 Hayes Pullard, ILB, USC
7.253 Louis Trinca-Pasat, DT, Iowa

[Ice]

New England Patriots complete draft:

2) Laken Tomlinson, OG, Duke
2) Danielle Hunter, OLB, LSU
3) David Cobb, RB, Minnesota
3) Xavier Cooper, DL, Washington State
4) Senquez Golson, CB, Ole Miss
4) Derron Smith, FS, Fresno State
6) Evan Spencer, WR, The Ohio State University

Going in, pre-Wilfork jettison, and pre-Revis defection, the big needs looked to be a capable RB, to replace the bunch of free agents and mediocrity on the depth chart; some talent at IOL and another wave guy to go with Easley next to Wilfork, and cover bases in case the knee on Easley isn't on schedule.

Mayo is making 9 million, so he's probably gone sooner than later. Move Hightower to MLB, slide Hunter in to OLB, after a year of seasoning and spot duty, problem solved. This may be what Sheard is for now, though.

Golson is depth at slot CB, Smith value and depth at FS, and Spencer is quite possibly a better all around WR than teammate Smith, who will be over drafted this year. He also provides some injury and inconsistency insurance for their young crop of backup WR, and blocking at the position they haven't had in a while.

Thanks as always to B2B for putting this on, Perch for providing the big board, and all the other participants for the knowledge, yuks and Quan pics. Let's go again!

[smithessmokin]

Chiefs Final Draft:
1. OT Andrus Peat, Stanford
2. LB Bernardtick McKinney, Chiefs
3. WR Rashad Greene, Florida State
3. LB Davis Tull, Chattanooga
4. CB Kevin White, TCU
5. WR/CB Tony Lippett, Michigan State
5. WR Dres Anderson, Utah
5. OG Jamil Douglas, Arizona State
6. C Max Garcia, Florida
7. NT Chucky Hunter, TCU
7. OG Robert Myers, Tennessee State

Not too shabby, loaded up a lot on the Chiefs WR and OL needs.

[DP39]

San Francisco 49ers 2015 Mock Draft…

1-15 OT/OG La'el Collins, LSU
2-46 WR/TE Devin Funchess, Michigan
4t-100 DT Gabe Wright, Auburn
4-126 CB Doran Grant, Ohio State
4c-132 (WR Tyler Lockett, Kansas State – was then traded to the Bears for) WR Brandon Marshall
5t-137 OLB Geneo Grissom, Oklahoma
5-150 CB Lorenzo Doss, Tulane
6t-174 RB Matt Jones, Florida
6-187 QB Sean Mannion, Oregan State
7t-218 LB Mike Hull, Penn State
7-245 DE Bobby Richardson, Indiana

[bradshaw2ben]

Pittsburgh Steelers 2015 draft, Mock 1:
1.32 Jalen Collins, CB, LSU
2.54 Ha'uoli Kikaha, OLB, Washington
3.77 Steven Nelson, CB, Oregon State
3.88 Henry Anderson, DE, Stanford
4.111 Laurence Gibson, OT, Virginia Tech
4.122 Clayton Geathers, S, Central Florida
6.183 Jean Sifrin, TE, UMass
6.202 Houston Bates, OLB, Louisiana Tech
6.208 Dominique Brown, RB, Louisville
7.238 Brandon Wegher, RB, Morningside (via Iowa)
7.250 Jacob Hagen, FS, Liberty
7.251 Neal Sterling, WR/TE, Monmouth

You all know the team needs in general. I basically ignored ILBs, even great ones in this draft and tried to hit home on OLBs with pass rush skills, CBs, and Safeties... upgrading the back end of our RB rotation plus a depth signing at DL & OL.

You all might have dealt with TE/big receiver differently than I did but I basically saw it as two guys in the whole draft who are easy to project as potential #1 TEs in the range of Heath Miller ability: Maxx Williams and Rory Anderson. The rest are fine players without that high end upside or with serious issues. Since I didn't take Maxx Williams with my first pick (tough to swallow since TE was hardly the biggest need), I was at the mercy of someone clever drafting Anderson earlier than expected.

So, I took a specialized set piece who is a less polished Larry Donnell and a small school project who is apparently all the rage this week, post-pro day. If I had taken Williams first, in theory I could have taken, say, Craig Mager Swann , Damian or ShaQwan Edwards in 6th or 7th but I'm not sure Williams+Nelson/Mager helps the team more than Sifrin+Collins/Nelson. Debatable.

Any how, my observations otherwise are that:
A. social media and the smart phone may have ruined society as a whole but have definitely made these drafts more efficient. I think it took us 2 months to finish one the first go round... 15 days of picks this time.
B. RB and WR are very deep this year. There are still RBs on the board who can play and contribute right away... Zach Zenner and Tyler Varga didn't get picked! Crazy. Andre Davis, Donatella Luckett, Cam Meredith, Gerald Davis, & Kenny Cook are all potential draft picks and I think all will be at minimum on someone's practice squad next year. Meredith and Luckett will be drafted and will make a team. Luckett will make it on STs and blocking alone.
C. Luckett & Varga are tied for " the most impressive/fit athlete I've seen this year" I share these because I think it says something about their work ethic and self motivation:

This is a WR!


parents are bodybuilders who wouldn't let him lift a weight until he was a teenager

D. otherwise, not the deepest draft... it's a good year to see who can identify the non-obvious and the hidden gems

Everyone deserves credit for the smooth draft... thanks from me. First time ever no one disappeared or auto picked. This alone makes it an awesome draft!

[Legacy User]

Great job B2b making sure the draft moved quickly, and nice job with the Steelers.

[Steelperch]

Pittsburgh Steelers 2015 draft, Mock 1:
1.32 Jalen Collins, CB, LSU
2.54 Ha'uoli Kikaha, OLB, Washington
3.77 Steven Nelson, CB, Oregon State
3.88 Henry Anderson, DE, Stanford
4.111 Laurence Gibson, OT, Virginia Tech
4.122 Clayton Geathers, S, Central Florida
6.183 Jean Sifrin, TE, UMass
6.202 Houston Bates, OLB, Louisiana Tech
6.208 Dominique Brown, RB, Louisville
7.238 Brandon Wegher, RB, Morningside (via Iowa)
7.250 Jacob Hagen, FS, Liberty
7.251 Neal Sterling, WR/TE, Monmouth

Good work, especially the top 4 picks.

[bradshaw2ben]

Pittsburgh Steelers 2015 draft, Mock 1:
1.32 Jalen Collins, CB, LSU
2.54 Ha'uoli Kikaha, OLB, Washington
3.77 Steven Nelson, CB, Oregon State
3.88 Henry Anderson, DE, Stanford
4.111 Laurence Gibson, OT, Virginia Tech
4.122 Clayton Geathers, S, Central Florida
6.183 Jean Sifrin, TE, UMass
6.202 Houston Bates, OLB, Louisiana Tech
6.208 Dominique Brown, RB, Louisville
7.238 Brandon Wegher, RB, Morningside (via Iowa)
7.250 Jacob Hagen, FS, Liberty
7.251 Neal Sterling, WR/TE, Monmouth

Good work, especially the top 4 picks.

Well, as IC always says: top 4 picks are for solid tape guys and day 3 is for STs and Home run swings and projects... also, it wasn't until pick 250 that I picked a guy who hadn't at least started games in the FBS.

P.S.: I know I'm the only guy in America who likes Gibson, but he is a potential LT who can run block and who uses his inside arm bar in pass pro better than any OT I watched this year.

[Steelperch]

GO BASILISKS!

[bradshaw2ben]

GO BASILISKS!

I mentioned to a couple of you during the draft: there were long stretches of the draft where between my guys picked and my targets for remaining picks... there were no non FBS B2B Directional guys.

At one point last night, I had Andre Davis, Quandre Diggs, and Ryan Williams or Terry Williams as my last three picks-- would have been the first all-FBS draft for me.

[Obviously]

When are you scheduling Mock 2 for?

[Gonzo]

I went heavy D and a new DL for the Cowboys but had I known they would lose Murray I may have done it different.

[langer]

updated
1. Beasley
2. Gregory with a weight red flag
3. Shane Ray (pending workout, weight)
4. Dupree (projection but numbers say yes)
5. Owamagbe Odighizuwa (maybe the best match of value and availability at 22)
6. Kikaha
7. Ryan Delaire
8. Shaquille Riddick
9. Davis Tull
10. Houston Bates
11. Eli Harold with a weight flag... going to be overdrafted or go to a 4-3 team
12. Kyle Emanuel
13. Wagenmann
14. Brock Hekking
15. Edmond Robinson

[Steelperch]

updated
1. Beasley
2. Gregory with a weight red flag
3. Dupree
4. Owamagbe Odighizuwa (maybe the best match of value and availability at 22)
5. Kikaha
6. Ryan Delaire
7. Shaquille Riddick
8. Davis Tull
9. Houston Bates
10. Eli Harold with a weight flag... going to be overdrafted or go to a 4-3 team
11. Kyle Emanuel
12. Wagenmann
13. Brock Hekking
14. Edmond Robinson

No Shane Ray?

[bradshaw2ben]

updated
1. Beasley
2. Gregory with a weight red flag
3. Shane Ray (pending workout, weight)
4. Dupree (projection but numbers say yes)
5. Owamagbe Odighizuwa (maybe the best match of value and availability at 22)
6. Kikaha
7. Ryan Delaire
8. Shaquille Riddick
9. Davis Tull
10. Houston Bates
11. Eli Harold with a weight flag... going to be overdrafted or go to a 4-3 team
12. Kyle Emanuel
13. Wagenmann
14. Brock Hekking
15. Edmond Robinson

No Shane Ray?

oversight... fixed

[Steelperch]

updated
1. Beasley
2. Gregory with a weight red flag
3. Shane Ray (pending workout, weight)
4. Dupree (projection but numbers say yes)

Two of those four will bust. Not sure of which two. Welcome to the NFL draft.

[bradshaw2ben]

Two of those four will bust. Not sure of which two. Welcome to the NFL draft.

possible but if all 4 go to 3-4 teams and play OLB, the numbers say probably all four will be at least good players, and probably 2 will be pro-bowl level.

This is why I say Diggy is the right kind of target--- lower pick means lower risk for same kind of player.

If you're looking for 1st round edge rusher busts, that kid from Florida is shaping up as a good bet. Eli Harold too if he gets picked.

[jebrick]

Two of those four will bust. Not sure of which two. Welcome to the NFL draft.

i think Ray is the winner out of that bunch. I think Gregory and Fowler will bust or not live up to the lofty expectations.

[bradshaw2ben]

Two of those four will bust. Not sure of which two. Welcome to the NFL draft.

i think Ray is the winner out of that bunch. I think Gregory and Fowler will bust or not live up to the lofty expectations.

my bet on the busts as well

Still sorting out my final opinions on how to rank them overall, particularly for Steelers fit and certainly for how they rank mixed with CBs, Ss, and BPAs

[Legacy User]

I've got them-

1- Ray
2- Beasley
3- OO
4- D Hunter
5- Dupree
6- Orchard
7- Golden
8- Kikaha
9- Fowler
10- D Tull

I'm guessing Ray is 4.55, 25 reps min, I have him ahead of Beasley because I've seen Ray 2 gap and line up at 5 tech in short yardage.
OO is a tough call this high, I'm not as concerned with his zone drop as lack of lower body flexion
I really like Hunter...great playing strength and violence in his hands for a string bean...plays with abandon, nasty SOB
Dupree is the toughest call to make imo as he is horrible vs the run and doesn't use his hands well...I think his biggest flaw vs the run is he tries to locate the ball before he has locked out and is ready to dispose resulting in high pad level, the hand fighting is coachable...Ultimate boom or bust, best player in the draft to bust is possible.
I'm sure some will doubt Orchard and Golden off of workout numbers, I've dropped them both because of it, but not to the degree many do, Golden has a great motor and playing strength, he is right there with OO as the best run defending prospects, while Orchard does everything well and plays with good bend, he gets washed vs the run on occasion, on the other hand intangibles and football IQ is very good.
I don't normally rate small school prospects this high on the edge but Tull looks real GD similar to Ray on tape.

[bradshaw2ben]

Tull disappeared with FBS opponents vs. Delaire who flashed against best opponents and Houston Bates/Shaq Riddick who were very productive vs power 5... which is why I'd prefer a lower pick on one of those guys unless I get shut out of your top 3 plus Hikaha.

I want to love Hunter but he doesn't help rush the passer at all at this point. THE best OLB prospect vs the run, but is tentative and uncertain what he wants to do in even obvious pass rush situations.

[jebrick]

I've got them-

1- Ray
2- Beasley
3- OO
4- D Hunter
5- Dupree
6- Orchard
7- Golden
8- Kikaha
9- Fowler
10- D Tull

I'm guessing Ray is 4.55, 25 reps min, I have him ahead of Beasley because I've seen Ray 2 gap and line up at 5 tech in short yardage.
OO is a tough call this high, I'm not as concerned with his zone drop as lack of lower body flexion
I really like Hunter...great playing strength and violence in his hands for a string bean...plays with abandon, nasty SOB
Dupree is the toughest call to make imo as he is horrible vs the run and doesn't use his hands well...I think his biggest flaw vs the run is he tries to locate the ball before he has locked out and is ready to dispose resulting in high pad level, the hand fighting is coachable...Ultimate boom or bust, best player in the draft to bust is possible.
I'm sure some will doubt Orchard and Golden off of workout numbers, I've dropped them both because of it, but not to the degree many do, Golden has a great motor and playing strength, he is right there with OO as the best run defending prospects, while Orchard does everything well and plays with good bend, he gets washed vs the run on occasion, on the other hand intangibles and football IQ is very good.
I don't normally rate small school prospects this high on the edge but Tull looks real GD similar to Ray on tape.

I think Dupree is very much like Jason Worilds when he came out. Explosive 1st step. No real pass moves but loop around.

[bradshaw2ben]

The difference is: Dupree has the explosion/strength Worilds can only dream of. Dupree needs to focus on being an edge OLB and not be moved all over the place. See QB. Seek and destroy. Play run on way to QB. He was doing so much stuff at KY and never got in a pass rush flow.

[Legacy User]

I agree with both of you on Dupree. He doesn't show more then average bend either. That's imo what it really comes down to with him...is it just a bad habit where he wants to locate the ball to quickly or is the lower body flexion just not there.

No doubt Hunter is raw...He virtually never shows a pass rushing technique and the split doesn't show up often in terms of get off...But he has speed, length, very good flexion, and a mean streak...and LSU is very much play the run well or get benched...and the SEC QB play was down so much I don't think LSU played more then a game or two with 25 plus throws. To me, he is a very compelling second round prospect.

[bradshaw2ben]

I agree with both of you on Dupree. He doesn't show more then average bend either. That's imo what it really comes down to with him...is it just a bad habit where he wants to locate the ball to quickly or is the lower body flexion just not there.

No doubt Hunter is raw...He virtually never shows a pass rushing technique and the split doesn't show up often in terms of get off...But he has speed, length, very good flexion, and a mean streak...and LSU is very much play the run well or get benched...and the SEC QB play was down so much I don't think LSU played more then a game or two with 25 plus throws. To me, he is a very compelling second round prospect.

at the moment, with medical concerns thrown out since I don't know the situation, Hunter would be my fallback in Rd 2 if Kikaha is gone... but I think there's a big drop from one to the other in terms of pass rush, our biggest gapingest need.

[jebrick]

The difference is: Dupree has the explosion/strength Worilds can only dream of. Dupree needs to focus on being an edge OLB and not be moved all over the place. See QB. Seek and destroy. Play run on way to QB. He was doing so much stuff at KY and never got in a pass rush flow.

Which describes Worilds his first 2 years.

[bradshaw2ben]

The difference is: Dupree has the explosion/strength Worilds can only dream of. Dupree needs to focus on being an edge OLB and not be moved all over the place. See QB. Seek and destroy. Play run on way to QB. He was doing so much stuff at KY and never got in a pass rush flow.

Which describes Worilds his first 2 years.

yep

[Legacy User]

Tomlin attends Michigan State Pro Day today 3/18 in E. Lansing!