The Brown TD

[tbsteel]

The "clutch" factor exists as far as there are definitely players with the temperament and approach that can perform at their normal level or better in high pressure situations. Just as much as there are players who can let the moment overwhelm them and can fall apart. Buuuuut, wow is it overblown. It's a total team sport, and so much of it comes down to the randomness of chance.

I mean just look at Ben. Dude was clutch in '04, but did he lose the "clutch" factor in the playoffs against the Jets when we should've gotten beat if they had a field goal kicker worth a damn? Or how about in the '05 season when he was insanely clutch in the playoffs, but then fell apart in the SB? Did he regain it in 2008, but then lose it in 2010 when he couldn't get a first down with the game on the line? Did he get it back on the road in Cincinnati when AB got lit up by Burfict and Pac Man joined in? What if the Pac Man penalty doesn't happen, or what if Boswell misses the kick? How clutch is he then?

What if the helmet catch is dropped? What is Asante Samuel times his jump right on that final drive and picks off Eli? What if Mario Manningham bobbles that huge catch late in XLVI? Dude goes from the clutch Patriots killer with a legit likelihood of going to the HOF to the failed, weirdo Manning brother. Tom Brady with 7 SBs lol (or what if some of those early field goals are missed, or the tuck rule goes the other way, how clutch is he?). Joe Flacco was the guy who couldn't get it done late in games, then went and had the best playoff run for a QB ever. Did he make a deal with the devil to get the "clutch" factor for a month? Aaron Rodgers had many of the same criticisms for not being "clutch" until he destroyed the playoff field and kicked our ass in the SB. Drew Brees isn't "clutch" because he only has 1 SB win, but lost a playoff game throwing for 400 yards, 2 TDs, and no picks because his defense was trash (see: Beastmode run) or the following year he threw for over 460 yards, 4 TDs, and 2 INTs, leading two late fourth quarter TD drives, including what would have been the game winner with 1:48 left, only to have his D give it up at the end. If his D holds on, would he be more "clutch?" Does his 100 QBR in the playoffs mean he's clutch? Or are we just looking at wins and losses?

As for AB? I've never worried about him. Dude acted like he belonged since day 1. I don't give a shit about how "clutch" he is or not. He's made so many huge plays in big moments I know we can depend on him because he's an awesome talent and an awesome competitor.

[Legacy User]

"bradshaw2ben"]

Totally crap analysis. He caught ball with one hand, maintained balance and scored TD. Very few if any players in NFL make that play. Come on now.

More than a few players make that catch. The RAC actually was pretty much a sprint. It's a great play, but hardly anything shocking or otherworldly.

ya I love me some AB as a player/talent altho I could do without the selfish celebratory shit but his HC doesn't mind it so... but I'm with Kodiak on this one

You mean the HC who pulled Lev Bell over and told him to stop that shit, now?[/quote]



avatar bet we get hit with another unsportsmanlike penalty for excessive celebrating next week?

[955876]

Didn’t he catch a pretty big third down pass against Baltimore rookie year in playoffs?

[bradshaw2ben]

avatar bet we get hit with another unsportsmanlike penalty for excessive celebrating next week?

you got it

[Orangesteel]

Still trying to figure out what the hell that TD celebration was and what JuJu’s role was in it. Mind boggling.

[tbsteel]

Didn’t he catch a pretty big third down pass against Baltimore rookie year in playoffs?

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-3lIHIyXLs[/youtube]

[V DUB]

The "clutch" factor exists as far as there are definitely players with the temperament and approach that can perform at their normal level or better in high pressure situations. Just as much as there are players who can let the moment overwhelm them and can fall apart. Buuuuut, wow is it overblown. It's a total team sport, and so much of it comes down to the randomness of chance.

I mean just look at Ben. Dude was clutch in '04, but did he lose the "clutch" factor in the playoffs against the Jets when we should've gotten beat if they had a field goal kicker worth a damn? Or how about in the '05 season when he was insanely clutch in the playoffs, but then fell apart in the SB? Did he regain it in 2008, but then lose it in 2010 when he couldn't get a first down with the game on the line? Did he get it back on the road in Cincinnati when AB got lit up by Burfict and Pac Man joined in? What if the Pac Man penalty doesn't happen, or what if Boswell misses the kick? How clutch is he then?

What if the helmet catch is dropped? What is Asante Samuel times his jump right on that final drive and picks off Eli? What if Mario Manningham bobbles that huge catch late in XLVI? Dude goes from the clutch Patriots killer with a legit likelihood of going to the HOF to the failed, weirdo Manning brother. Tom Brady with 7 SBs lol (or what if some of those early field goals are missed, or the tuck rule goes the other way, how clutch is he?). Joe Flacco was the guy who couldn't get it done late in games, then went and had the best playoff run for a QB ever. Did he make a deal with the devil to get the "clutch" factor for a month? Aaron Rodgers had many of the same criticisms for not being "clutch" until he destroyed the playoff field and kicked our ass in the SB. Drew Brees isn't "clutch" because he only has 1 SB win, but lost a playoff game throwing for 400 yards, 2 TDs, and no picks because his defense was trash (see: Beastmode run) or the following year he threw for over 460 yards, 4 TDs, and 2 INTs, leading two late fourth quarter TD drives, including what would have been the game winner with 1:48 left, only to have his D give it up at the end. If his D holds on, would he be more "clutch?" Does his 100 QBR in the playoffs mean he's clutch? Or are we just looking at wins and losses?

As for AB? I've never worried about him. Dude acted like he belonged since day 1. I don't give a shit about how "clutch" he is or not. He's made so many huge plays in big moments I know we can depend on him because he's an awesome talent and an awesome competitor.

This post was clutch.

[Drummer Boy]

The "clutch" factor exists as far as there are definitely players with the temperament and approach that can perform at their normal level or better in high pressure situations. Just as much as there are players who can let the moment overwhelm them and can fall apart. Buuuuut, wow is it overblown. It's a total team sport, and so much of it comes down to the randomness of chance.

I mean just look at Ben. Dude was clutch in '04, but did he lose the "clutch" factor in the playoffs against the Jets when we should've gotten beat if they had a field goal kicker worth a damn? Or how about in the '05 season when he was insanely clutch in the playoffs, but then fell apart in the SB? Did he regain it in 2008, but then lose it in 2010 when he couldn't get a first down with the game on the line? Did he get it back on the road in Cincinnati when AB got lit up by Burfict and Pac Man joined in? What if the Pac Man penalty doesn't happen, or what if Boswell misses the kick? How clutch is he then?

What if the helmet catch is dropped? What is Asante Samuel times his jump right on that final drive and picks off Eli? What if Mario Manningham bobbles that huge catch late in XLVI? Dude goes from the clutch Patriots killer with a legit likelihood of going to the HOF to the failed, weirdo Manning brother. Tom Brady with 7 SBs lol (or what if some of those early field goals are missed, or the tuck rule goes the other way, how clutch is he?). Joe Flacco was the guy who couldn't get it done late in games, then went and had the best playoff run for a QB ever. Did he make a deal with the devil to get the "clutch" factor for a month? Aaron Rodgers had many of the same criticisms for not being "clutch" until he destroyed the playoff field and kicked our ass in the SB. Drew Brees isn't "clutch" because he only has 1 SB win, but lost a playoff game throwing for 400 yards, 2 TDs, and no picks because his defense was trash (see: Beastmode run) or the following year he threw for over 460 yards, 4 TDs, and 2 INTs, leading two late fourth quarter TD drives, including what would have been the game winner with 1:48 left, only to have his D give it up at the end. If his D holds on, would he be more "clutch?" Does his 100 QBR in the playoffs mean he's clutch? Or are we just looking at wins and losses?

As for AB? I've never worried about him. Dude acted like he belonged since day 1. I don't give a shit about how "clutch" he is or not. He's made so many huge plays in big moments I know we can depend on him because he's an awesome talent and an awesome competitor.

This post was clutch.

Exactly how I feel. Terrific post.

[955876]

avatar bet we get hit with another unsportsmanlike penalty for excessive celebrating next week?

you got it

Who wins if we fail to score a TD?

[bradshaw2ben]

avatar bet we get hit with another unsportsmanlike penalty for excessive celebrating next week?

you got it

Who wins if we fail to score a TD?

you want a piece of me?

[Legacy User]

Didn’t he catch a pretty big third down pass against Baltimore rookie year in playoffs?

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-3lIHIyXLs[/youtube]

Beautiful pass, too. Sure hope we get to see a few more of those. Too many people kidding themselves Ben is not off.

[bradshaw2ben]

Didn’t he catch a pretty big third down pass against Baltimore rookie year in playoffs?

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-3lIHIyXLs[/youtube]

Beautiful pass, too. Sure hope we get to see a few more of those. Too many people kidding themselves Ben is not off.

Interceptions and long pass plays take 11 players. It did in that clip from the past, and it does vs. Jacksonville.

The WR has to run through the route and not coast.
Each receiver has to run routes that manipulate the coverage.
Backs and or TEs have to chip or pick up blitzing defenders.
The OL has to provide room to step into the throw.
The throw has to be on time and have the right arc and distance.

We have literally had small issues with every one of those this year-- but as Tony Romo said, it's all been thisclose. All of it has to work. If Bryant runs through his route in Chicago and Ben/Bryant are on the same page re: inside or outside the CB on deep route vs Jacksonville, then we're talking about how great the Steelers' deep game is.

It's just like Red Zone-- erase a penalty here, add a DPI there, catch a ball here, call a better play there, make one more great throw-- you go from shithouse to penthouse.

The entire NFL is separated by a razor-thin margin right now. The Steelers aren't even playing on all cylinders right now and are pretty much inarguably top 3... at least top 5. Considering what they just did to KC's offense, you could make a case that no team is better so far.

On the other hand, they could be 2-4 just as easily. The difference in basically every game is a couple of plays/bounces/calls here and there.

[Legacy User]

Beautiful pass, too. Sure hope we get to see a few more of those. Too many people kidding themselves Ben is not off.

Interceptions and long pass plays take 11 players. It did in that clip from the past, and it does vs. Jacksonville.

The WR has to run through the route and not coast.
Each receiver has to run routes that manipulate the coverage.
Backs and or TEs have to chip or pick up blitzing defenders.
The OL has to provide room to step into the throw.
The throw has to be on time and have the right arc and distance.

We have literally had small issues with every one of those this year-- but as Tony Romo said, it's all been thisclose. All of it has to work. If Bryant runs through his route in Chicago and Ben/Bryant are on the same page re: inside or outside the CB on deep route vs Jacksonville, then we're talking about how great the Steelers' deep game is.

It's just like Red Zone-- erase a penalty here, add a DPI there, catch a ball here, call a better play there, make one more great throw-- you go from shithouse to penthouse.

The entire NFL is separated by a razor-thin margin right now. The Steelers aren't even playing on all cylinders right now and are pretty much inarguably top 3... at least top 5. Considering what they just did to KC's offense, you could make a case that no team is better so far.

On the other hand, they could be 2-4 just as easily. The difference in basically every game is a couple of plays/bounces/calls here and there.

I agree with all of this and none of it is incomnensurate with my post to which it responds.

Ben looked WAY better vs KC. Except for that utterly shit pass to the defender's helmet that AB intercepted.

And we beat Chicago not only if MB does not Dog his route but if Ben does not miss a walk in TD to MB later in the game. Ben's long ball has been off. Hope it's back on track now.

QBs get too much credit and too much blame.

[Orangesteel]

^

And on ABs interception-touchdown, he was open, but the ball was late, underthrown and didn’t have the zip it needed.

I think the safety would have easily tackled AB if the pass was where I’d needed to be. Big gain, first down, not a TD.

[Legacy User]

Cam seems to think it was a pretty good play by AB



Personally I think if AB can play out his career with good QB behind him, he’ll go down as the best to ever play the position.

[COR-TEN]

I get a kick out of the dumfounded looks on the faces in the stands.

"Wut the fuck just happened?"

Fuckin' excellent.

[Havoc]

Beautiful pass, too. Sure hope we get to see a few more of those. Too many people kidding themselves Ben is not off.

Interceptions and long pass plays take 11 players. It did in that clip from the past, and it does vs. Jacksonville.

The WR has to run through the route and not coast.
Each receiver has to run routes that manipulate the coverage.
Backs and or TEs have to chip or pick up blitzing defenders.
The OL has to provide room to step into the throw.
The throw has to be on time and have the right arc and distance.

We have literally had small issues with every one of those this year-- but as Tony Romo said, it's all been thisclose. All of it has to work. If Bryant runs through his route in Chicago and Ben/Bryant are on the same page re: inside or outside the CB on deep route vs Jacksonville, then we're talking about how great the Steelers' deep game is.

It's just like Red Zone-- erase a penalty here, add a DPI there, catch a ball here, call a better play there, make one more great throw-- you go from shithouse to penthouse.

The entire NFL is separated by a razor-thin margin right now. The Steelers aren't even playing on all cylinders right now and are pretty much inarguably top 3... at least top 5. Considering what they just did to KC's offense, you could make a case that no team is better so far.

On the other hand, they could be 2-4 just as easily. The difference in basically every game is a couple of plays/bounces/calls here and there.

I agree with all of this and none of it is incomnensurate with my post to which it responds.

Ben looked WAY better vs KC. Except for that utterly shit pass to the defender's helmet that AB intercepted.

And we beat Chicago not only if MB does not Dog his route but if Ben does not miss a walk in TD to MB later in the game. Ben's long ball has been off. Hope it's back on track now.

QBs get too much credit and too much blame.

What should have happened did. Ben looked way better because he got way better opportunities. Exactly as I and others predicted would probably happen.

In basketball...

A shooter is having a so called "poor" shooting night. Get him open looks in areas of the floor where he excels and his shooting often comes alive.

Ben came alive in the first half due to open looks in the mid range middle of the field.

Not taking a shot at you here Lit....

Many don't understand just how badly these coaches are fucking it up for this team.

[COR-TEN]

What should have happened did. Ben looked way better because he got way better opportunities. Exactly as I and others predicted would probably happen.

In basketball...

A shooter is having a so called "poor" shooting night. Get him open looks in areas of the floor where he excels and his shooting often comes alive.

Ben came alive in the first half due to open looks in the mid range middle of the field.

Not taking a shot at you here Lit....

Many don't understand just how badly these coaches are fucking it up for this team.

I don't disagree with what you're saying. But the biggest difference is that basketball has 82 games. Getting your shooting motion back on track is easier, and game situations allow you to acclimate or make adjustments over the course of a few games. It's psychological more than muscle memory. You don't have that luxury in football. Getting the 'looks' or not is moot.

[Havoc]

What should have happened did. Ben looked way better because he got way better opportunities. Exactly as I and others predicted would probably happen.

In basketball...

A shooter is having a so called "poor" shooting night. Get him open looks in areas of the floor where he excels and his shooting often comes alive.

Ben came alive in the first half due to open looks in the mid range middle of the field.

Not taking a shot at you here Lit....

Many don't understand just how badly these coaches are fucking it up for this team.

I don't disagree with what you're saying. But the biggest difference is that basketball has 82 games. Getting your shooting motion back on track is easier, and game situations allow you to acclimate or make adjustments over the course of a few games. It's psychological more than muscle memory. You don't have that luxury in football. Getting the 'looks' or not is moot.

You put your players in basketball and football in situations where they excel. Noone better at this currently in the league than Belichick.

Great defense causes shooting percentages to do down. Open looks cause shooting percentages to go up.

Ben excels throwing the football mid range middle of the field. Always has. It is coaching dumbfuckery to not give him regular opportunities there.

[COR-TEN]

What should have happened did. Ben looked way better because he got way better opportunities. Exactly as I and others predicted would probably happen.

In basketball...

A shooter is having a so called "poor" shooting night. Get him open looks in areas of the floor where he excels and his shooting often comes alive.

Ben came alive in the first half due to open looks in the mid range middle of the field.

Not taking a shot at you here Lit....

Many don't understand just how badly these coaches are fucking it up for this team.

I don't disagree with what you're saying. But the biggest difference is that basketball has 82 games. Getting your shooting motion back on track is easier, and game situations allow you to acclimate or make adjustments over the course of a few games. It's psychological more than muscle memory. You don't have that luxury in football. Getting the 'looks' or not is moot.

You put your players in basketball and football in situations where they excel. Noone better at this currently in the league than Belichick.

Great defense causes shooting percentages to do down. Open looks cause shooting percentages to go up.

Ben excels throwing the football mid range middle of the field. Always has. It is coaching dumbfuckery to not give him regular opportunities there.

I remember watching the Knicks in a playoff game in the 90's and they gave John Starks a bunch of free looks out the wazoo the entire 4th quarter, and he couldn't sink a basket to save his life. I've seen that happen countless times with other players. I don't disagree that shooting percentages rise with open looks, but sometimes it don't mean shit if the player is 'off.'

[Havoc]

I remember watching the Knicks in a playoff game in the 90's and they gave John Starks a bunch of free looks out the wazoo the entire 4th quarter, and he couldn't sink a basked to save his life. I've seen that happen countless times with other players. I don't disagree that shooting percentages rise with open looks, but sometimes it don't mean shit if the player is 'off.'

Of course that's true. Don't know what your point is.

Ben got the best looks in the mid range middle of the field in the first half that he has in any half all season and he came alive. Deny it all you want, but that's exactly what happened.

[Drummer Boy]

I remember watching the Knicks in a playoff game in the 90's and they gave John Starks a bunch of free looks out the wazoo the entire 4th quarter, and he couldn't sink a basked to save his life. I've seen that happen countless times with other players. I don't disagree that shooting percentages rise with open looks, but sometimes it don't mean shit if the player is 'off.'

Game 7 against Houston and Olajuwon. Starks 2 for 18. Please don't remind me.

[Legacy User]

You know I don't know if it has been mentioned, but AB hit the 9,000 yard mark against KC. Tied Randy Moss as fourth fastest ever to do so. Also got TD #52.

He's going to go out as one of the yard monsters. His TD production is shit compared to the greats. Rice, Moss, and Owens. Holy shit did those guys catch balls in the end zone.

[Legacy User]

You know I don't know if it has been mentioned, but AB hit the 9,000 yard mark against KC. Tied Randy Moss as fourth fastest ever to do so. Also got TD #52.

He's going to go out as one of the yard monsters. His TD production is shit compared to the greats. Rice, Moss, and Owens. Holy shit did those guys catch balls in the end zone.

AB is a great player no doubt but its a different game now geared to offense

[Legacy User]

You know I don't know if it has been mentioned, but AB hit the 9,000 yard mark against KC. Tied Randy Moss as fourth fastest ever to do so. Also got TD #52.

He's going to go out as one of the yard monsters. His TD production is shit compared to the greats. Rice, Moss, and Owens. Holy shit did those guys catch balls in the end zone.

Google Don Hutson

[Legacy User]

Interceptions and long pass plays take 11 players. It did in that clip from the past, and it does vs. Jacksonville.

The WR has to run through the route and not coast.
Each receiver has to run routes that manipulate the coverage.
Backs and or TEs have to chip or pick up blitzing defenders.
The OL has to provide room to step into the throw.
The throw has to be on time and have the right arc and distance.

We have literally had small issues with every one of those this year-- but as Tony Romo said, it's all been thisclose. All of it has to work. If Bryant runs through his route in Chicago and Ben/Bryant are on the same page re: inside or outside the CB on deep route vs Jacksonville, then we're talking about how great the Steelers' deep game is.

It's just like Red Zone-- erase a penalty here, add a DPI there, catch a ball here, call a better play there, make one more great throw-- you go from shithouse to penthouse.

The entire NFL is separated by a razor-thin margin right now. The Steelers aren't even playing on all cylinders right now and are pretty much inarguably top 3... at least top 5. Considering what they just did to KC's offense, you could make a case that no team is better so far.

On the other hand, they could be 2-4 just as easily. The difference in basically every game is a couple of plays/bounces/calls here and there.

Post of the month

[Legacy User]

avatar bet we get hit with another unsportsmanlike penalty for excessive celebrating next week?

you got it

I don't mind losing this bet. I await your avatar B2B, we never said for how long, is a week fair?

[V DUB]

So using the goal post as a prop only counts if you touch the goal post. I'm confused, as are officials apparently.

[Legacy User]

So using the goal post as a prop only counts if you touch the goal post. I'm confused, as are officials apparently.

apparently...hey I lost the bet fair and square but clearly tomlin hasn't and wont curtail these celebrations..we'll get flagged again at some point no doubt.

[Ice]

So using the goal post as a prop only counts if you touch the goal post. I'm confused, as are officials apparently.

apparently...hey I lost the bet fair and square but clearly tomlin hasn't and wont curtail these celebrations..we'll get flagged again at some point no doubt.

We're not the only team in the league allowing our players to enjoy themselves. Nobody in the Philadelphia area seems to be dogging Doug Pederson for letting the players on his team, pretty much accounted the class of the NFC at this point, have a little fun after a score.