Can I get a simple status on AB and LB?

[swissvale72]

Last couple of months AB has:

1. Quit on his team.
2. Called his QB a rapist.
3. Demanded a trade from a team that has treated him like royalty.
4. Had the police called on him for a domestic dispute.
5. Blown off his head coach and owner like a petulant child.
6. Been interviewed while clearly high at the SB.

But man, did you see that Saints game?!?!

Fuck him. I'm never cheering for his ass again.

Surely this will break AB's heart!!

[swissvale72]

Swiss is in denial. Antonio Brown is never going to wear a Steelers jersey again, nor should he.

I don't think I'm in denial, TB. I just don't know. And neither do you...or any of the assembled asshats on this esteemed website.

Unless all of the smoke has no fire behind it, I'm pretty sure we know all we need to determine that AB is done in the Steelers organization, Swiss. I think you're in denial, likely based on your deep rooted case of Santonio Holmes Syndrome.

We going to hear again, Ice, how Santonio didn't have high enough numbers to satisfy the stat whores...or didn't catch the pass directly preceding his SUPER BOWL WINNING catch??

[stillthere]

One thing I will say about Holmes is he had his eye on the prize of a championship. I cannot say for certain that AB cares about the ring that much. He seems to be only concerned with his numbers and how he is perceived in by the masses.

[bradshaw2ben]

AB liked tweets yesterday calling his QB a rapist.

This is an exaggeration... let's be clear about that. He liked a post that asked why Ab was getting hate for a domestic violence accusation while Ben didn't get hate for two accusations.

That's not good, but it's not the same as AB liking "Ben is a rapist" tweet, the way it's been portrayed here and in the media and on twitter.

[COR-TEN]

AB liked tweets yesterday calling his QB a rapist.

This is an exaggeration... let's be clear about that. He liked a post that asked why Ab was getting hate for a domestic violence accusation while Ben didn't get hate for two accusations.

That's not good, but it's not the same as AB liking "Ben is a rapist" tweet, the way it's been portrayed here and in the media and on twitter.

Totally agree. But AB is throwing the rope over the proverbial tree, right?

Ok. Yeah, that was caustic.

[steelmann58]

when is this meeting

[tbsteel]

The tweet AB liked didn't insinuate anything that Ben did or didn't do was an "allegation." It straight up stated "Didn't Ben rape two college girls." That's pretty directly stated.

And it's an incredibly stupid point anyways because Ben got TONS of hate for those seemingly baseless allegations, was suspended 6 games from the league, has to wear those allegations the rest of his life, and is still one of the most unpopular figures in the sport because of those same allegations.

Then again, AB is a fucking dumbass, so it's not really shocking he would like a dumbass tweet.

[Ice]

Remember, Swiss, Ohio State fan here. Even if I wasn't, I'd likely make the argument that the contributions of that one playoff run, including the drive and catch to win XLIII, were more important to Steelers history than pretty much Antonio Brown's whole career. I'm, suffice to say, a fan.

I just think it's your Holmes Syndrome that's causing you to lament the inevitable loss of another mercurial WR.

[bradshaw2ben]

The tweet AB liked didn't insinuate anything that Ben did or didn't do was an "allegation." It straight up stated "Didn't Ben rape two college girls." That's pretty directly stated.

And it's an incredibly stupid point anyways because Ben got TONS of hate for those seemingly baseless allegations, was suspended 6 games from the league, has to wear those allegations the rest of his life, and is still one of the most unpopular figures in the sport because of those same allegations.

Then again, AB is a fucking dumbass, so it's not really shocking he would like a dumbass tweet.

I didn't explain myself well, but my thought is the subtext of the tweet was that Ab is held to a different standard than Ben and that's what influenced AB to "like" it. He may not have agreed with the details just because he agreed with the principle of it... a fair defense, since most people don't read things that thoroughly.

[tbsteel]

I hear ya, B2B. And I doubt AB was sitting there on his phone considering the nuance of the tweet he was getting ready to smash that like to and was most likely just looking at it from a childish/reactionary perspective of "woe is me!"

I really dislike the guy right now so anything on top of what he's already done is just nuclear level heat for me.

[swissvale72]

Remember, Swiss, Ohio State fan here. Even if I wasn't, I'd likely make the argument that the contributions of that one playoff run, including the drive and catch to win XLIII, were more important to Steelers history than pretty much Antonio Brown's whole career. I'm, suffice to say, a fan.

I just think it's your Holmes Syndrome that's causing you to lament the inevitable loss of another mercurial WR.

Not really it, Ice. It's more losing a really, really good player, due to shit I think can be resolved.

And....said it earlier, last December 1st, this time had Antonio Brown, Leveon Bell, Ryan Shazier. We're looking at entering next season with none of those three superstars....but still coached by the same dumbfuck. Just can't see how next year's team will be better than this year's team.

THAT is my lament.

[Legacy User]

Remember, Swiss, Ohio State fan here. Even if I wasn't, I'd likely make the argument that the contributions of that one playoff run, including the drive and catch to win XLIII, were more important to Steelers history than pretty much Antonio Brown's whole career. I'm, suffice to say, a fan.

I just think it's your Holmes Syndrome that's causing you to lament the inevitable loss of another mercurial WR.

Not really it, Ice. It's more losing a really, really good player, due to shit I think can be resolved.

And....said it earlier, last December 1st, this time had Antonio Brown, Leveon Bell, Ryan Shazier. We're looking at entering next season with none of those three superstars....but still coached by the same dumbfuck. Just can't see how next year's team will be better than this year's team.

THAT is my lament.

Well, it's possible that Ben will be free to throw to the open man rather than force the ball to a diva which could actually make the passing game better. And we still have a whoooooooooole offseason to collect talent.

[Ice]

Again, it's illustrative to recite the starting WRs from the last two Super Bowl wins. Holmes qualified as a bit of a diva, and you could argue Hines had a small streak, but outside of that? Role players playing roles.

[Legacy User]

Again, it's illustrative to recite the starting WRs from the last two Super Bowl wins. Holmes qualified as a bit of a diva, and you could argue Hines had a small streak, but outside of that? Role players playing roles.

With an absolute elite defense, however.

Harrison.

Woodley.

Troy.

Aaron Smith.

Hampton.

We had some players.

[jebrick]

The tweet AB liked didn't insinuate anything that Ben did or didn't do was an "allegation." It straight up stated "Didn't Ben rape two college girls." That's pretty directly stated.

And it's an incredibly stupid point anyways because Ben got TONS of hate for those seemingly baseless allegations, was suspended 6 games from the league, has to wear those allegations the rest of his life, and is still one of the most unpopular figures in the sport because of those same allegations.

Then again, AB is a fucking dumbass, so it's not really shocking he would like a dumbass tweet.

I didn't explain myself well, but my thought is the subtext of the tweet was that Ab is held to a different standard than Ben and that's what influenced AB to "like" it. He may not have agreed with the details just because he agreed with the principle of it... a fair defense, since most people don't read things that thoroughly.

Should we/media be asking if Ben is late for meetings and holds up plans and acts like a prima dona and is not fined?

[Steelafan77]

So Brown answered 10 'twitter' questions the other day and here's one of them...

@SavoRPC
What caused the conflict between you and Ben Roethlisberger? #AskAB @AB84 https://twitter.com/SavoRPC/status/1096827120700018689
@AB84
More Antonio Brown Retweeted Savo
No conflict just a matter of respect! Mutual respect! He has a owner mentality like he can call out anybody including coaches. Players know but they can’t say anything about it otherwise they meal ticket gone. It’s a dirty game within a game. #truth https://twitter.com/AB84/status/1096838 ... 621e2.html

Damn! Brown just can't seem to shut up. I think this relationship is beyond salvageable. Some may disagree. I think it SBI to trade Brown and remove the cancer/stop the hemorrhaging. JMO

Here are the rest... https://www.yahoo.com/sports/antonio-br ... 20729.html

[R_S]

AB liked tweets yesterday calling his QB a rapist.

This is an exaggeration... let's be clear about that. He liked a post that asked why Ab was getting hate for a domestic violence accusation while Ben didn't get hate for two accusations.

That's not good, but it's not the same as AB liking "Ben is a rapist" tweet, the way it's been portrayed here and in the media and on twitter.

No that's some some spin right there! He liked a post that specifically said "Ben raped two college girls"

You spin more then Mendenhall.

[Legacy User]

AB liked tweets yesterday calling his QB a rapist.

This is an exaggeration... let's be clear about that. He liked a post that asked why Ab was getting hate for a domestic violence accusation while Ben didn't get hate for two accusations.

That's not good, but it's not the same as AB liking "Ben is a rapist" tweet, the way it's been portrayed here and in the media and on twitter.

No that's some some spin right there! He liked a post that specifically said "Ben raped two college girls"

You spin more then Mendenhall.

I think the operating idea here by B2B is that although AB liked a tweet that mentioned Ben is a rapist, what he liked about the tweet was not the assertion of rape, but that Ben gets preferential treatment while being a douche bag but AB does not.

[COR-TEN]

I think the operating idea here by B2B is that although AB liked a tweet that mentioned Ben is a rapist, what he liked about the tweet was not the assertion of rape, but that Ben gets preferential treatment while being a douche bag but AB does not.

The nuance and subtlety is too much for some to understand. Some people just like black and white. It's easier for the brain to process.

[StillerInCT]

No that's some some spin right there! He liked a post that specifically said "Ben raped two college girls"

You spin more then Mendenhall.

I think the operating idea here by B2B is that although AB liked a tweet that mentioned Ben is a rapist, what he liked about the tweet was not the assertion of rape, but that Ben gets preferential treatment while being a douche bag but AB does not.

This is where I'm at. He liked the principle of the post not necessarily the part about the rape. A lot of reading between the lines going on.

And he's not entirely wrong. Ben gets away with a lot I'm sure, but he's kind of earned that right. That's the nature of the NFL. QB will trump WR 10 out of 10 times.

[Steelafan77]

Pro Football Talk's FFPK reports "the more Antonio Brown tweets, the more he scares off potential suitors. (That’s not just something I think. In the case of one team, it’s something I know.)" http://www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl/news ... um=twitter

Awesome....

[Kodiak]

Pro Football Talk's FFPK reports "the more Antonio Brown tweets, the more he scares off potential suitors. (That’s not just something I think. In the case of one team, it’s something I know.)" http://www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl/news ... um=twitter

Awesome....

I'm still betting that the relationship isn't salvageable, and Rooney wanted to talk to him to get him to understand if he keeps hurting his trade value, then he's not going to be happy where he ends-up.

Every couple days it seems like AB tweets something to tank his value even more.

I feel like the root of this is AB wants like 200 targets a year, because that's the only way he catches Jerry Rice....and that's all AB cares about. Demanding a new contract from his new team is just icing on the cake.

[Lynch]

The sooner these two dick bags are gone the better.

[R_S]

No that's some some spin right there! He liked a post that specifically said "Ben raped two college girls"

You spin more then Mendenhall.

I think the operating idea here by B2B is that although AB liked a tweet that mentioned Ben is a rapist, what he liked about the tweet was not the assertion of rape, but that Ben gets preferential treatment while being a douche bag but AB does not.

This is where I'm at. He liked the principle of the post not necessarily the part about the rape. A lot of reading between the lines going on.

And he's not entirely wrong. Ben gets away with a lot I'm sure, but he's kind of earned that right. That's the nature of the NFL. QB will trump WR 10 out of 10 times.

Ben was very loose off the field early in his career. He got into some dumb situations. He never quit on his team. If we want to talk about "nuances" lets not stop short.

You don't like a post that wrongly accuses a teammate, friend, coworker, peer as a rapist if you have plans to have any kind of relationship with that person again.

I also believe that when you like a Tweet, that action doesn't specify what part of the tweet you like or which point. It only "likes" in totality.

[Havoc]

It's difficult for me to see the Steelers ever getting a Lombardi with AB and/or Bell.

I prefer to move on.

Give Fichtner guys who are onboard with an offense that spreads the football around and let's see what he can do.

Give Ben weapons who are onboard with spreading the football around and let's see what he can do.

Yes, there is risk in trading AB. There is also risk in keeping him. I prefer to roll the dice trading AB, sign a free agent to shore up the receiving game, and draft a WR or TE early.

We could end up with a better offense.

[Lynch]

I'm looking forward to seeing Ryan Switzer in an increased role.

[K_C_]

I'm looking forward to seeing Ryan Switzer in an increased role.

He won't get much of an increased role, but nobody is better at spreading the ball around than Roethlisberger.

When Ben isn't forcing passing needlessly to a state whore, this offense will have the opportunity to really take off.

Need to hit on another WR and a TE in this draft. Add a free agent WR that can actually play and cut that twatwaffle DHB loose, too.

[Lynch]

I'm looking forward to seeing Ryan Switzer in an increased role.

He won't get much of an increased role, but nobody is better at spreading the ball around than Roethlisberger.

When Ben isn't forcing passing needlessly to a state whore, this offense will have the opportunity to really take off.

Need to hit on another WR and a TE in this draft. Add a free agent WR that can actually play and cut that twatwaffle DHB loose, too.

Maybe not. But if what he claims about not being 100% all year with that ankle he had surgery on is true, I wonder how much shiftier he will be? He played quite a damn bit even with AB.

[Legacy User]

I'm looking forward to seeing Ryan Switzer in an increased role.

Is that right?

[Legacy User]

Again, it's illustrative to recite the starting WRs from the last two Super Bowl wins. Holmes qualified as a bit of a diva, and you could argue Hines had a small streak, but outside of that? Role players playing roles.

With an absolute elite defense, however.

Harrison.

Woodley.

Troy.

Aaron Smith.

Hampton.

We had some players.

We're going to need another elite defense to win another Lombardi whether we have AB or not.