Since 07 Lebeau has allowed 29 gamewinning drives in 4thQtr

[bradshaw2ben]

I was thinking more like got in that situation by not putting the nail I the coffin on offense

drew up the perfect play, executed it perfectly, and the QB dropped it in his all pro WR's hands-- sometimes your defense has to make a play when your offense has milked clock and put it in a great position.

As you know, scoring points is not the only function of an offense on a winning football team (especially one that intentionally plays like this one does).

[Legacy User]

Troy had a vertical in his face-- Murphy came underneath the route Troy has to cover unless he switches with Allen seamlessly.

Yep perfect play design and they knew it. Only thing that stops it is pass rush NO

Sucks they let themselves get in that position

Pass rush can be helped with a little press / bump and run coverage too. Especially on 3rd and 6's , 3rd and 20's

On all the big plays against on Sunday - they were playing atleast 8 yrds off, that don't help play rush.

People don't seem to be concerned about the run Defense any more hey?

And why do they play off coverage ?

[Legacy User]

Why have Lebeau's defenses always played off coverage - Because the no 1 thing he wants to stop is the run, Lunacy at its finest in the NFL today

That's false

Carry on with the witch hunt

[Suwanee88]

At some point LeBeau fucked Mill's GF. His assessments of LeBeau are often lazy and frequently terrible. They mostly consist of Mill blaming LeBeau for players missing tackles.

IMO the biggest problem is talent talent talent. But I'm tired of watching defensive collapses. I wonder that LeBeau is able to do the best with the talent he has.

Nobody is getting a free pass.

Except that they collapsed even when they were loaded with talent (2008, 2010). I can't stand Mill but he's not wrong about this.

I agree with you B-

Troy, Tomlin, LeBeau all talk about how great that 2008 defense was - they showed flashes, but they weren't 70's Steelers, 85 Bears, 2000 Ravens or even last year's Seahawks team - they were NON-MEMORABLE - they shit the bed in the biggest games and Ben and company saved their asses in all of their postseason games except maybe Baltimore but it took a shit performance from Flacco to help us out in that game.

[jeemie]

At some point LeBeau fucked Mill's GF. His assessments of LeBeau are often lazy and frequently terrible. They mostly consist of Mill blaming LeBeau for players missing tackles.

IMO the biggest problem is talent talent talent. But I'm tired of watching defensive collapses. I wonder that LeBeau is able to do the best with the talent he has.

Nobody is getting a free pass.

Except that they collapsed even when they were loaded with talent (2008, 2010). I can't stand Mill but he's not wrong about this.

I agree with you B-

Troy, Tomlin, LeBeau all talk about how great that 2008 defense was - they showed flashes, but they weren't 70's Steelers, 85 Bears, 2000 Ravens or even last year's Seahawks team - they were NON-MEMORABLE - they shit the bed in the biggest games and Ben and company saved their asses in all of their postseason games except maybe Baltimore but it took a shit performance from Flacco to help us out in that game.

But that's Ben's fault because the offense didn't score enough points.

Only in Pittsburgh do people blame the offense for the failures of the defense.

Yeah- the Steelers' offense had trouble scoring points in 2008, but the Steelers had a 13 point lead with seven and a half minutes to go in that Super Bowl...

[Legacy User]

Nothing is his fault, you've established

Thanks for bringing into another thread

[Legacy User]

Why have Lebeau's defenses always played off coverage - Because the no 1 thing he wants to stop is the run, Lunacy at its finest in the NFL today

That's false

Carry on with the witch hunt

Playing off 10 yds is not worrying about the run first? why do it then?

No witch-hunt here, but to suggest lebeau DB's play 10yds off to stop the pass is freaking moronic. It's working well for him is'nt it?

It's umbrella coverage. No safety help. The CBs are essentially the safeties

Element of zone blitz is to drop someone else under the route as opposed to CB jumping the route

Agree with it or not, it is what it is. Just wanted to make sure you actually understood the point you were trying to make

[Legacy User]

Nothing is his fault, you've established

Thanks for bringing into another thread

He's saying Ben has had enough points in the bank playing scrubs like Glennon and far more superior QB's like Warner - only for lebeau and his genius defenses shatting the bed as per usual.

29 Games when leading late into the fourth quarter and losing since 07 is acceptable to you Iron City? Blame the O...

You place those stats in a vacuum like the offense inability to flip the field doesn't matter. Or that defense holding teams to 17 while it takes the offense 55 minutes to just get within striking range

Steelers won a lot of games between 2004 and 2011. If you think for a minute it was in spite of that defense then you're off your rocker and haven't been watching

[Legacy User]

Triangulation is correct. Both in coverage and route progressions.

[jeemie]

Nothing is his fault, you've established

Thanks for bringing into another thread

You already did that earlier in this thread by blaming the offense for the defensive collapses under LeBeau.

[Legacy User]

Nothing is his fault, you've established

Thanks for bringing into another thread

You already did that earlier in this thread by blaming the offense for the defensive collapses under LeBeau.

If Ben could just sustain long drives and take some pressure off our D.....

But he is constantly fucking up...like vs TB. 29-40 for 300 and 3 Tds isn't good enough to beat upper tier teams like TB.

Those drops by JB and AB are on Ben. He could have placed the balls in better position....

[Legacy User]

of course the D played a part

Yeah about 80%

[Legacy User]

To help out help put it in perspective did any other DCs have as much overall success in the time frame you're judging him on? If so, who?

[bradshaw2ben]

Bill belechik, who installs a new defense every week, tailored to the opponent and somehow his guys are able to assimilate and execute.

[Legacy User]

Bill belechik, who installs a new defense every week, tailored to the opponent and somehow his guys are able to assimilate and execute.

Really? His defenses have been less stellar in my book. For a supposed defensive "guru" I'm largely unimpressed

And he's no more of a coordinator now than Tomlin or Cowher

[Legacy User]

You ask a lot of questions you know can't be answered. What % f salary cap did each of the guys you listed have? And all that really says is they did excellent job developing payer ino is 2nd contract

Not sure why you listed the guys you did. I'll go from memoy Dean Pees very unimpressive results in NE and Ravens defense nothing special either. Perry Fewell with NYG? Their success came with Spags and that DL

None of those coaches you listed have even half the resume Lebeau has in Pittsburgh and you know it. Do we really need to post what their respects units ranked?

[Legacy User]

You ask a lot of questions you know can't be answered. What % f salary cap did each of the guys you listed have? And all that really says is they did excellent job developing payer ino is 2nd contract. NO IT SAYS DICK NEEDS A VERY LARGE % OF PLAYER PAYMENTS on the D side of the ball - to be somewhat successful I would say 60% - 70% at least

Not sure why you listed the guys you did. I'll go from memoy Dean Pees SUPERBOWL WIN VS 49'S very unimpressive results in NE and Ravens defense nothing special either. Perry Fewell with NYG? (SUPERBOWL WIN VS PATS) Their success came with Spags and that DL (NOT ONLY)

None of those coaches you listed have even half the resume Lebeau has in Pittsburgh and you know it. I have listed three superbowl winning DC's here, in less time than Lebeau has taken too, and of a fraction of the salary cap Dick required to win SB's. Do we really need to post what their respects units ranked? Like Lebeau stats are for losers - did it help the steelers D against the cardinals in the SB to have all world defensive stats?

How long has Lebeau been a DC? 2 SB's is not enough! 2 very lucky SB wins too by the way.

Lebeau's defenses have taken up more salary cap room than any other of the coaches mentioned! And by a very long way, you know it, Dick knows it and I certainly do. Dick has been shown to be a D coordinator that can't do more with less.

As I thought you have no idea salary cap % of those other teams. I'm pretty sure you're aware Ravens salary was HUGELY skewed toward defense with Flacco on rookie deal.

I'm on my phone so I'm not going to look up stats right now but one of NYG SB they weren't very good in regular season. I'll check on that later for you. Hopefully I have some time later and I'll post average unit rankings for you to compare

[jebrick]

Big Ben has 23 4th quarter come backs the same period. Hmmm. Perhaps we should make Ben the DC

[Legacy User]

Good work Dickie - a little bit more press this week and Cortez plays his best game for a little while? Guess why?

Cortez Allen and Bruce McCain were facing a rookie QB and a depleted receiving corps. They did exactly what they should have done, which is take advantage of that situation.

[Legacy User]

Bill belechik, who installs a new defense every week, tailored to the opponent and somehow his guys are able to assimilate and execute.

Really? His defenses have been less stellar in my book. For a supposed defensive "guru" I'm largely unimpressed

And he's no more of a coordinator now than Tomlin or Cowher

How did NE defense execute vs. KC?



I think Belechik is pretty creative, and he's managed to get his defenses to perform OK the last few years. No Bruschi, McGinest, Law, Vrabel (a player Cowher cut, I might), Harrison and most recently Seymour have definitely impacted NE's ability to play defense. Even in last year's whooping of the Steelers, they gave up quite a few points.

His offenses, with the brief exception of the Moss period, always featured 2 TE's with strong pass-catching skills. Team is struggling this year. Brady is struggling this year- well who is the bookend with Gronkowski? Oh...

Take away a coach's talent and they have to build new talent... Takes time.

[Legacy User]

Bill belechik, who installs a new defense every week, tailored to the opponent and somehow his guys are able to assimilate and execute.

Really? His defenses have been less stellar in my book. For a supposed defensive "guru" I'm largely unimpressed

And he's no more of a coordinator now than Tomlin or Cowher

How did NE defense execute vs. KC?



I think Belechik is pretty creative, and he's managed to get his defenses to perform OK the last few years. No Bruschi, McGinest, Law, Vrabel (a player Cowher cut, I might), Harrison and most recently Seymour have definitely impacted NE's ability to play defense. Even in last year's whooping of the Steelers, they gave up quite a few points.

His offenses, with the brief exception of the Moss period, always featured 2 TE's with strong pass-catching skills. Team is struggling this year. Brady is struggling this year- well who is the bookend with Gronkowski? Oh...

Take away a coach's talent and they have to build new talent... Takes time.

I'm talking over the last 10 years

[Legacy User]

And I'm saying when you retire 2 year in and year out Pro Bowl players out of each unit you field on D, there is going to be dropoff and I don't care who is coaching.

Which is something people on this board tend to forget.

Really the only super talented player Belichik has on D is Wilfork. And I'm sure he's making do with what he has. What I don't get is the notion that the Pats D has been all that good the last few years. Because it hasn't sniffed "good" for a while.

[Legacy User]

Great job keekng your thread alive. It'll never if you keep bumping it at this rate

If it doesn't get locked soon I encourage everyone to bump old pointless threads

[Legacy User]

Bump this thread will never die