SteelerFury Forum = 100 Mini-Mike Francesca's Yelling

[BethlehemSteel]

Go Chiefs.

I'm out.

This board is loco.

This thread is quite nuts

Did someone say you worked at a surf shop?

Which one

[jeemie]

You reap what you sow... How many threads on here have dozens of people saying stupid shit about the Steelers as a knee jerk reaction to a loss?

So yeah- you are what you eat, if you will. Obviously.

How many times are you going to accuse people of knee jerk reactions to problems that have gone uncorrected for THREE YEARS?

If the issues that haunt the Steelers...dumb penalties, sloppy execution, stupid mistakes...had just started with this young team this year, people would be more tolerant.

They didn't...they are a hallmark of this team under Mike Tomlin.

[Legacy User]

There is no doubt that Ben has lost some of his magic. But he played well yesterday, he missed one throw and fumbled, ok, but he had at least 5 drops.

Ben is not the problem, plain and simple, our dumb fuck coach is another story.

Well one aspect of his game is gone. He was never a sprinter but he used to be able to get up to a gallop. When he took off for teh first down he waddled into first gear and couldn't get out of it. Now that is sad. Even old man Romo can still take off and make some yards for a first down plus and slide so he doesn't get hit. We won't ever see Ben run for first downs the way he used to run for them.

So that's my Mini-Mike Francesca's Yelling about Ben running with the ball.

[swissvale72]

Go Chiefs.

I'm out.

This board is loco.

This thread is quite nuts

Did someone say you worked at a surf shop?

Which one

It's a haberdashery, Beth.

[USS Steelerworks]

I'm hard pressed to remember a Noll or Cowher-coached team that lost to a shitty inferior squad THREE SEASONS IN A ROW.

Following a season where they lost in the playoffs to Tim Tebow, allowing him to pass for his first 300 yard effort ever.

You find me a similar record of futility in Cowher and Noll and I'll buy what you're selling.

You act like this is the first season of this type of slop and slather when it has been going on for THREE PLUS SEASONS now.

These types of debacles were commonplace under Cowher. Typically the Steelers were good for one clunker against a crap team a year while he was head coach. How quickly we forget:

2006 vs. Raiders
2003 vs. Jets
2002 vs. Houston (which IMO is still the single worst defeat I have ever seen from the Steelers)
2001 vs. Cincinnati
1999 and 2000 vs. Cleveland
1998 vs. Cincinnati TWICE to a 3-13 team
1997 vs. Philly
1996 vs. the Jags in the season opener
1995 vs. the expansion Jags
1994 vs. Seattle

[jeemie]

I'm hard pressed to remember a Noll or Cowher-coached team that lost to a shitty inferior squad THREE SEASONS IN A ROW.

Following a season where they lost in the playoffs to Tim Tebow, allowing him to pass for his first 300 yard effort ever.

You find me a similar record of futility in Cowher and Noll and I'll buy what you're selling.

You act like this is the first season of this type of slop and slather when it has been going on for THREE PLUS SEASONS now.

These types of debacles were commonplace under Cowher. Typically the Steelers were good for one clunker against a crap team a year while he was head coach. How quickly we forget:

2006 vs. Raiders
2003 vs. Jets
2002 vs. Houston (which IMO is still the single worst defeat I have ever seen from the Steelers)
2001 vs. Cincinnati
1999 and 2000 vs. Cleveland
1998 vs. Cincinnati TWICE to a 3-13 team
1997 vs. Philly
1996 vs. the Jags in the season opener
1995 vs. the expansion Jags
1994 vs. Seattle

In four of those seasons, the Steelers were a mediocre team.

And most often it was one clunker.

You saw the list of clunkers Tomlin has had in just three years...it equals the number on that list...put up in 13 years.

[Legacy User]

You reap what you sow... How many threads on here have dozens of people saying stupid shit about the Steelers as a knee jerk reaction to a loss?

So yeah- you are what you eat, if you will. Obviously.

How many times are you going to accuse people of knee jerk reactions to problems that have gone uncorrected for THREE YEARS?

If the issues that haunt the Steelers...dumb penalties, sloppy execution, stupid mistakes...had just started with this young team this year, people would be more tolerant.

They didn't...they are a hallmark of this team under Mike Tomlin.

How many times are people going to repeat 'THREE YEARS' breathlessly while failing to acknowledge that all three things you've pointed out have haunted every single mediocre Steeler team for the past 4 decades? 4 decades with a total of 3 coaches.

Same old Steelers. Probably ought to give back the 6 Lombardi's and take 'em all out of the Hall of Fame...

[Legacy User]

I went AWOL to go to that Texans game in 02. Thankfully I didn't get caught because, needless to say, it wouldn't have been worth it. What was it....... like 67 total yards offense by Houston that day?

[Legacy User]

I'm hard pressed to remember a Noll or Cowher-coached team that lost to a shitty inferior squad THREE SEASONS IN A ROW.

Following a season where they lost in the playoffs to Tim Tebow, allowing him to pass for his first 300 yard effort ever.

You find me a similar record of futility in Cowher and Noll and I'll buy what you're selling.

You act like this is the first season of this type of slop and slather when it has been going on for THREE PLUS SEASONS now.

These types of debacles were commonplace under Cowher. Typically the Steelers were good for one clunker against a crap team a year while he was head coach. How quickly we forget:

2006 vs. Raiders
2003 vs. Jets
2002 vs. Houston (which IMO is still the single worst defeat I have ever seen from the Steelers)
2001 vs. Cincinnati
1999 and 2000 vs. Cleveland
1998 vs. Cincinnati TWICE to a 3-13 team
1997 vs. Philly
1996 vs. the Jags in the season opener
1995 vs. the expansion Jags
1994 vs. Seattle

In four of those seasons, the Steelers were a mediocre team.

And most often it was one clunker.

You saw the list of clunkers Tomlin has had in just three years...it equals the number on that list...put up in 13 years.

That is fucking hilarious.

1995 Steelers were 3-4 heading into Week 9, having lost to the Dolphins (9-7 that year), the Vikings (8-8), the Jags (4-12), and the Bengals (7-9). Two of those losses, and it wasn't exactly a murderers row, were at home.

Do you even want to look at the other seasons?

[Legacy User]

There is no doubt that Ben has lost some of his magic. But he played well yesterday, he missed one throw and fumbled, ok, but he had at least 5 drops.

Ben is not the problem, plain and simple, our dumb fuck coach is another story.

Well one aspect of his game is gone. He was never a sprinter but he used to be able to get up to a gallop. When he took off for teh first down he waddled into first gear and couldn't get out of it. Now that is sad. Even old man Romo can still take off and make some yards for a first down plus and slide so he doesn't get hit. We won't ever see Ben run for first downs the way he used to run for them.

So that's my Mini-Mike Francesca's Yelling about Ben running with the ball.

To be fair he did have exactly one play where he could have easily run for the first but pulled up and passed instead- incomplete. Man's never been a gazelle.

I think Ben played pretty well actually. Most of the team played pretty well most of the time. But the hard lesson of NFL football is they all have to play well all of the time. Hard to put it together back to back to back, but no excuses, that is the task.

[Legacy User]

When the losses continue to follow the same script to the same teams - at some point you stop blaming execution, and start looking at the people running the team.

When Dejan asked Pouncey about Tomlin's reaction to the penalties stemming from week 2, and Pouncey had no clue what he was talking about - that was 100% evidence for me that Mike Tomlin has no handle on this team, and no idea what to do about it's play these past few years.

This is no knee jerk reaction - this is a culmination of what Steeler fans have been seeing and experiencing the past few years. A bad football team, wasting years of a Super Bowl quarterback's career. Competent men would not be wasting the talent of a quarterback that only a handful of teams have.

[Legacy User]

When the losses continue to follow the same script to the same teams - at some point you stop blaming execution, and start looking at the people running the team.

When Dejan asked Pouncey about Tomlin's reaction to the penalties stemming from week 2, and Pouncey had no clue what he was talking about - that was 100% evidence for me that Mike Tomlin has no handle on this team, and no idea what to do about it's play these past few years.

This is no knee jerk reaction - this is a culmination of what Steeler fans have been seeing and experiencing the past few years. A bad football team, wasting years of a Super Bowl quarterback's career. Competent men would not be wasting the talent of a quarterback that only a handful of teams have.

Well to give Tomlin the benefit of the doubt, Pouncey's not the sharpest spoon in the shed when it comes to interviews.

[zeke5123]

What kind of adjustments is Ben supposed to make to win games himself? Since we are totally absolving Tomlin, Lebeau, etc., I wanna know what Ben needs to do differently to win games like we lost yesterday. I'm sure he would really wanna know too.

IC has taken his game to a new level of insanity.

If only all of us had the high level of understanding you do Barney

I should start a fan poll on that

I love how IC's go-to point is to insult other people's football intelligence, while implying that his football intelligence is so much greater.

[Legacy User]

I love how IC's go-to point is to insult other people's football intelligence, while implying that his football intelligence is so much greater.

What's even funny is his other mantra- "if the coaching staff decided it and the Steelers win, it must be the correct decision".

So now that the coaching staff decided it and the Steelers DIDN'T win.....






it's all Ben's fault.

Brilliant.

[Orangesteel]

When the losses continue to follow the same script to the same teams - at some point you stop blaming execution, and start looking at the people running the team.

When Dejan asked Pouncey about Tomlin's reaction to the penalties stemming from week 2, and Pouncey had no clue what he was talking about - that was 100% evidence for me that Mike Tomlin has no handle on this team, and no idea what to do about it's play these past few years.

This is no knee jerk reaction - this is a culmination of what Steeler fans have been seeing and experiencing the past few years. A bad football team, wasting years of a Super Bowl quarterback's career. Competent men would not be wasting the talent of a quarterback that only a handful of teams have.

Great post.

[Legacy User]

When the losses continue to follow the same script to the same teams - at some point you stop blaming execution, and start looking at the people running the team.

When Dejan asked Pouncey about Tomlin's reaction to the penalties stemming from week 2, and Pouncey had no clue what he was talking about - that was 100% evidence for me that Mike Tomlin has no handle on this team, and no idea what to do about it's play these past few years.

This is no knee jerk reaction - this is a culmination of what Steeler fans have been seeing and experiencing the past few years. A bad football team, wasting years of a Super Bowl quarterback's career. Competent men would not be wasting the talent of a quarterback that only a handful of teams have.

Well said.

[Legacy User]

When the losses continue to follow the same script to the same teams - at some point you stop blaming execution, and start looking at the people running the team.

When Dejan asked Pouncey about Tomlin's reaction to the penalties stemming from week 2, and Pouncey had no clue what he was talking about - that was 100% evidence for me that Mike Tomlin has no handle on this team, and no idea what to do about it's play these past few years.

This is no knee jerk reaction - this is a culmination of what Steeler fans have been seeing and experiencing the past few years. A bad football team, wasting years of a Super Bowl quarterback's career. Competent men would not be wasting the talent of a quarterback that only a handful of teams have.

Again with the seeing shit that isn't there and then inferring other shit from it.

My take on Pouncey's response:

(1) Hasn't seen the presser.
(2) Is pissed having just lost a game.
(3) Probably thought that last play call sucked ass.

His response- "go talk to him about it."

It's a little passive aggressive, and if sentiment like that lingers I'd be concerned that Tomlin has a locker room problem, really. But I give it about as much weight as Alan Faneca not being excited about having a rookie for a QB...

[Legacy User]

When the losses continue to follow the same script to the same teams - at some point you stop blaming execution, and start looking at the people running the team.

When Dejan asked Pouncey about Tomlin's reaction to the penalties stemming from week 2, and Pouncey had no clue what he was talking about - that was 100% evidence for me that Mike Tomlin has no handle on this team, and no idea what to do about it's play these past few years.

This is no knee jerk reaction - this is a culmination of what Steeler fans have been seeing and experiencing the past few years. A bad football team, wasting years of a Super Bowl quarterback's career. Competent men would not be wasting the talent of a quarterback that only a handful of teams have.

Again with the seeing shit that isn't there and then inferring other shit from it.

My take on Pouncey's response:

(1) Hasn't seen the presser.
(2) Is pissed having just lost a game.
(3) Probably thought that last play call sucked ass.

His response- "go talk to him about it."

It's a little passive aggressive, and if sentiment like that lingers I'd be concerned that Tomlin has a locker room problem, really. But I give it about as much weight as Alan Faneca not being excited about having a rookie for a QB...

Maybe Dejan should have asked Pouncey when he was supposed to have snapped the ball on this play:
Timeout #2 by TB at 01:40.
2-8-PIT 16 (1:40) PENALTY on PIT-53-M.Pouncey, False Start, 5 yards, enforced at PIT 16 - No Play.

[Legacy User]

I love how IC's go-to point is to insult other people's football intelligence, while implying that his football intelligence is so much greater.

What's even funny is his other mantra- "if the coaching staff decided it and the Steelers win, it must be the correct decision".

So now that the coaching staff decided it and the Steelers DIDN'T win.....






it's all Ben's fault.

Brilliant.

To take that even one step further and even funnier is the fact that you two think I should believe you over them

Zeke insults people as much or more than I do. Must be that disgruntled childhood we detailed

[SteelPro]

Call me a chicken little if you want but this team has lost far too many games in the Tomlin era to inferior teams that they actually outplayed for the majority of the game. They just find ways to lose. I'm not blaming that solely on Tomlin and I'm not yelling he should be fired, but there is a real problem here and I don't have much confidence it is going to get sorted out this season.

[Legacy User]

When the losses continue to follow the same script to the same teams - at some point you stop blaming execution, and start looking at the people running the team.

When Dejan asked Pouncey about Tomlin's reaction to the penalties stemming from week 2, and Pouncey had no clue what he was talking about - that was 100% evidence for me that Mike Tomlin has no handle on this team, and no idea what to do about it's play these past few years.

This is no knee jerk reaction - this is a culmination of what Steeler fans have been seeing and experiencing the past few years. A bad football team, wasting years of a Super Bowl quarterback's career. Competent men would not be wasting the talent of a quarterback that only a handful of teams have.

Again with the seeing shit that isn't there and then inferring other shit from it.

My take on Pouncey's response:

(1) Hasn't seen the presser.
(2) Is pissed having just lost a game.
(3) Probably thought that last play call sucked ass.

His response- "go talk to him about it."

It's a little passive aggressive, and if sentiment like that lingers I'd be concerned that Tomlin has a locker room problem, really. But I give it about as much weight as Alan Faneca not being excited about having a rookie for a QB...

I'm going to 100% disagree and here is why.

Dejan reminded Tomlin that he spoke the exact same words about fixing the discipline of this team after week 2. We can all assume that if Tomlin said he'd fix it - he would have addressed it to the team. The fact that Pouncey not only has no clue what discipline issues exists after the Tampa Bay game is bad enough, but the fact that it didn't hit home as a problem just 2 weeks after Tomlin said he would address it means that Tomlin either did nothing, or was ineffective at getting the message through.

And let's be honest with ourselves, this hasn't just been a 2 week problem, it's been a problem for a few years.

[Legacy User]

When the losses continue to follow the same script to the same teams - at some point you stop blaming execution, and start looking at the people running the team.

When Dejan asked Pouncey about Tomlin's reaction to the penalties stemming from week 2, and Pouncey had no clue what he was talking about - that was 100% evidence for me that Mike Tomlin has no handle on this team, and no idea what to do about it's play these past few years.

This is no knee jerk reaction - this is a culmination of what Steeler fans have been seeing and experiencing the past few years. A bad football team, wasting years of a Super Bowl quarterback's career. Competent men would not be wasting the talent of a quarterback that only a handful of teams have.

Again with the seeing shit that isn't there and then inferring other shit from it.

My take on Pouncey's response:

(1) Hasn't seen the presser.
(2) Is pissed having just lost a game.
(3) Probably thought that last play call sucked ass.

His response- "go talk to him about it."

It's a little passive aggressive, and if sentiment like that lingers I'd be concerned that Tomlin has a locker room problem, really. But I give it about as much weight as Alan Faneca not being excited about having a rookie for a QB...

I'm going to 100% disagree and here is why.

Dejan reminded Tomlin that he spoke the exact same words about fixing the discipline of this team after week 2. We can all assume that if Tomlin said he'd fix it - he would have addressed it to the team. The fact that Pouncey not only has no clue what discipline issues exists after the Tampa Bay game is bad enough, but the fact that it didn't hit home as a problem just 2 weeks after Tomlin said he would address it means that Tomlin either did nothing, or was ineffective at getting the message through.

And let's be honest with ourselves, this hasn't just been a 2 week problem, it's been a problem for a few years.

I think you mean a few decades. But whatever.

[Steelafan77]

Not an attempt to discredit your point jaybird but this could have simply been a case where Pouncey didn't want to comment for fear of some media person twisting his comments making it look like Pouncey was throwing his "players coach" under the bus. So IMO this was Pouncey's way of avoiding the question by playing coy.

[lifelongsteel]

thanks for the thread Jonesy. not easy to start a "calm down" thread into the teeth of the vitriol.

After games like these it is really hard to keep perspective and composure.

I'm gonna be honest, i'm pretty down after the game sunday. Looking for reasons to stay positive.

[zeke5123]

thanks for the thread Jonesy. not easy to start a "calm down" thread into the teeth of the vitriol.

After games like these it is really hard to keep perspective and composure.

I'm gonna be honest, i'm pretty down after the game sunday. Looking for reasons to stay positive.

Week 4... It is a long season.

[K_C_]

thanks for the thread Jonesy. not easy to start a "calm down" thread into the teeth of the vitriol.

After games like these it is really hard to keep perspective and composure.

I'm gonna be honest, i'm pretty down after the game sunday. Looking for reasons to stay positive.

Great things ahead for this bunch and their fearless leader.

Anybody would be crazy to think otherwise!

[Legacy User]

Not an attempt to discredit your point jaybird but this could have simply been a case where Pouncey didn't want to comment for fear of some media person twisting his comments making it look like Pouncey was throwing his "players coach" under the bus. So IMO this was Pouncey's way of avoiding the question by playing coy.

That's just as bad then.

There are four options as an answer.
1) Yes Coach Tomlin addressed the discipline issues it to the team previously, we just didn't do a good job on it today - and we need to work on it more.
2) No - he's never mentioned it at all.
3) Yes he addressed it and we did a good job today.
4) Dodge question

Obviously #3 is a lie, and #2 is the answer that throws the coach under the bus.
If #1 is the truth, than it's easily the answer you give, otherwise you go with answer #4 - which is what Pouncey gave because he didn't want to give the correct answer, #2.

[COR-TEN]

Addressing the OP :

The difference between Man and apes is that we can recognize patterns. This pattern of Steeler sloppy undisciplined play has been revealing itself for three years now.

Oh the other hand, the Falcons team that blew out these very same Bucs were blown out by Minnesota 41-28.

Why is the league so topsy turvy?

Because the NFL likes it that way. More drama, more dollars.

[Legacy User]

Addressing the OP :

The difference between Man and apes is that we can recognize patterns. This pattern of Steeler sloppy undisciplined play has been revealing itself for three years now.

Oh the other hand, the Falcons team that blew out these very same Bucs were blown out by Minnesota 41-28.

Why is the league so topsy turvy?

Because the NFL likes it that way. More drama, more dollars.

No it means we should have traded Ben and drafted Teddy Bridgewater.

[StillMadAtSlobber]

:lol:

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