‘Dumb Takes on Tomlin’

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Re: ‘Dumb Takes on Tomlin’

Post by Jizz Mop » Sun Jan 02, 2022 1:53 pm

Mike Tomlin without Ben

With this talent

With his ability to coach and scheme

Get ready to be jizzed on as fans like we haven’t seen in years



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Post by K_C_ » Sun Jan 02, 2022 3:18 pm

Kodiak. wrote:
Sun Jan 02, 2022 2:33 am
I'm old enough to remember when criticizing Tomlin was racist.

We've come full-circle... :lol:
Where is STD these days?

He said, as recently as last season, that criticizing Tomlin was racist.
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Post by Jizz Mop » Sun Jan 02, 2022 4:09 pm

K_C_ wrote:
Sun Jan 02, 2022 3:18 pm
Kodiak. wrote:
Sun Jan 02, 2022 2:33 am
I'm old enough to remember when criticizing Tomlin was racist.

We've come full-circle... :lol:
Where is STD these days?

He said, as recently as last season, that criticizing Tomlin was racist.
We live in a time where racism is force fed 24/7/365 by the national media.

Quite frankly I’m sick of it.

But as far as being critical of the head coach of the Steelers?

It’s not about race, it’s about results.

His time has expired here. He’s done. He’s a pathetic head coach who continually struggles with the same issues year after year.

If he was white I’d be saying the same things. Results are what matters. I could care less about the race of our HC.

If the next one is black but knows how to utilize timeouts and put our players in a better position to succeed, bring him on.

I just want to win.

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Post by 955876 » Sun Jan 02, 2022 4:48 pm

If he was white
The media wouldn’t blow him 24/7 or write articles citing what a great coach he is and that all of the Steelers woes he’s but a victim of himself.

This in part is why Dunce will never fire him. All he sees and hears from the media is how great Jibba Lombardi Jabba is.

Dunce thinks he’d be firing the Emperor in 1979 or some shit.
The Steelers are among the NFL’s worst teams in total offense (30th) and total defense (28th). Highest paid defense in the league by far. We are lucky to have Mike Tomlin.

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Post by Gonzo » Sun Jan 02, 2022 5:47 pm

Rooney won’t fire him because Rooney values stability, brand and stable cash flow more than he does championships
It’s why they changed Ben into checkdown Charlie, it’s why they won’t fire Tomlin, and it’s why they basement shop
It’s also why perch is likely right that they won’t rebuild fully … they will try and maintain mediocrity and muddle through.

However, They have IMO a problem right now with the plan … their stability is in large part built on internal building and they have failed with so many picks and development that they can’t. And Rooney - again IMO - will not like tarnishing the brand with some serious losing seasons.

If I had to guess, they will try stopgap measures next year and when that fails Rooney may finally come to his senses because of damage to the Steelers brand. Maybe if we say our prayers to the little baby Jesus in a tuxedo shirt, he will force a proper rebuild now.

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Post by 955876 » Sun Jan 02, 2022 5:52 pm

and stable cash flow more than he does championships
You think people show up on Sunday to see Tomlin?

A new coach hurts cash flow how?
The Steelers are among the NFL’s worst teams in total offense (30th) and total defense (28th). Highest paid defense in the league by far. We are lucky to have Mike Tomlin.

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Post by Jizz Mop » Sun Jan 02, 2022 5:58 pm

955876 wrote:
Sun Jan 02, 2022 5:52 pm
and stable cash flow more than he does championships
You think people show up on Sunday to see Tomlin?

A new coach hurts cash flow how?
Less beer sales

People are drinking themselves silly at the game to try and deal with Tomlin’s ineptitude

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Post by Professor Half Wit » Sun Jan 02, 2022 6:07 pm

Jizz Mop wrote:
Sun Jan 02, 2022 4:09 pm
K_C_ wrote:
Sun Jan 02, 2022 3:18 pm
Kodiak. wrote:
Sun Jan 02, 2022 2:33 am
I'm old enough to remember when criticizing Tomlin was racist.

We've come full-circle... :lol:
Where is STD these days?

He said, as recently as last season, that criticizing Tomlin was racist.
We live in a time where racism is force fed 24/7/365 by the national media.

Quite frankly I’m sick of it.
Translation:

Premise one: My preferences are the standard of reality.
Premise two: I’d prefer that media discuss racism less.
Conclusion: It follows from premises one and two that the media’s discussion of racism is not in proportion to reality.

:mrgreen:
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Post by langer » Sun Jan 02, 2022 6:42 pm

Stability is this team's downfall.

There are times when it's perhaps needed, on a seasonal basis, maybe a couple of seasons.

But to look at stability as something to be developed over decades when success demands flexibility and innovation is a good way to end up with what we see on the field week after week.

If they were successful and stable, that's great. That isn't what's happening, and asking the media to program the Tomlinbots to ignore what they see is disturbing to watch.

Without Ben, this team is worse than the Lions, and I bet Coach Mike knows this.
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Post by Kodiak. » Sun Jan 02, 2022 6:48 pm

langer wrote:
Sun Jan 02, 2022 6:42 pm
Stability is this team's downfall.
I think the PIT extreme can be as detrimental as the opposite (2-3 years to prove yourself).

IMO, a new coach should have about 5 years to show a strong, upward trend. That's basically time enough to "fully" develop and integrate at least a couple of draft classes. It is possible to turn a team around in a year or two in today's NFL, but usually that means you started with a decent young core of players (not very true for PIT).

Two more years with Tomlin at the helm and this team will be very close to the Lions. Gone will be guys like Ben, JuJu, Tuitt, Haden and possibly a Heyward. I firmly believe two years down the road this team will have even less talent than it has now, most notably at QB.
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Post by 955876 » Sun Jan 02, 2022 6:50 pm

Without Ben, this team is worse than the Lions, and I bet Coach Mike knows this.
Been watching the first half of games with Ben?

This team is just bad. Ben or no Ben. We suck.

And Ben’s talent has deteriorated to the point he isn’t able to elevate the team sound him.
The Steelers are among the NFL’s worst teams in total offense (30th) and total defense (28th). Highest paid defense in the league by far. We are lucky to have Mike Tomlin.

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Post by JackLambert58 » Sun Jan 02, 2022 7:04 pm

Texas Black & Gold wrote:
Sat Jan 01, 2022 3:14 pm
Great article and thanks for posting it.
The last paragraph is the best part, particularly the last sentence. "Mike Tomlin is a very good coach, and fans would be smart to accept that."

Let's hope the Steelers end any playoff hopes the Browns have on Monday night and then put the Ravens out of their misery the next week.

Happy New Year to yunz

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The last sentence is that clown being condescending. "Fans would be smart to accept that." Eat a fucking bag of dicks.

The best point he makes is about the selection of the next head coach being done by someone not named Dan Rooney. Art II will be the man for that, and I believe it was Lit who said he fears that, and so do I, but Tomlin's time should have ended years ago.
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Post by JackLambert58 » Sun Jan 02, 2022 7:07 pm

Gonzo wrote:
Sun Jan 02, 2022 5:47 pm
Rooney won’t fire him because Rooney values stability, brand and stable cash flow more than he does championships
It’s why they changed Ben into checkdown Charlie, it’s why they won’t fire Tomlin, and it’s why they basement shop
It’s also why perch is likely right that they won’t rebuild fully … they will try and maintain mediocrity and muddle through.

However, They have IMO a problem right now with the plan … their stability is in large part built on internal building and they have failed with so many picks and development that they can’t. And Rooney - again IMO - will not like tarnishing the brand with some serious losing seasons.

If I had to guess, they will try stopgap measures next year and when that fails Rooney may finally come to his senses because of damage to the Steelers brand. Maybe if we say our prayers to the little baby Jesus in a tuxedo shirt, he will force a proper rebuild now.
Stability is about the last word I'd use to describe the Pittsburgh Steelers team 2011-Present.
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Post by langer » Sun Jan 02, 2022 7:14 pm

955876 wrote:
Sun Jan 02, 2022 6:50 pm
Been watching the first half of games with Ben?
Ever watch the Lions?

The difference is Ben can still will wins, no one on the Lions can, and it's expected that they will fuck it all up.
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Post by Gonzo » Sun Jan 02, 2022 8:35 pm

JackLambert58 wrote:
Sun Jan 02, 2022 7:07 pm
Gonzo wrote:
Sun Jan 02, 2022 5:47 pm
Rooney won’t fire him because Rooney values stability, brand and stable cash flow more than he does championships
It’s why they changed Ben into checkdown Charlie, it’s why they won’t fire Tomlin, and it’s why they basement shop
It’s also why perch is likely right that they won’t rebuild fully … they will try and maintain mediocrity and muddle through.

However, They have IMO a problem right now with the plan … their stability is in large part built on internal building and they have failed with so many picks and development that they can’t. And Rooney - again IMO - will not like tarnishing the brand with some serious losing seasons.

If I had to guess, they will try stopgap measures next year and when that fails Rooney may finally come to his senses because of damage to the Steelers brand. Maybe if we say our prayers to the little baby Jesus in a tuxedo shirt, he will force a proper rebuild now.
Stability is about the last word I'd use to describe the Pittsburgh Steelers team 2011-Present.
Nor would I. But, Never a losing season and sales are good. That’s what they care about. I am not advocating for them … I think it’s stupid and will end badly.

The only thing that will make them change their mind is lost money and diminished brand.

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Post by Gonzo » Sun Jan 02, 2022 8:38 pm

955876 wrote:
Sun Jan 02, 2022 5:52 pm
and stable cash flow more than he does championships
You think people show up on Sunday to see Tomlin?

A new coach hurts cash flow how?
No and you know that. The steeler way is their “proven” model and brand … as long as it sells they don’t care enough to rock Their boat. Competing every year for an AFC North title is good enough by them. Tickets sell, Jerseys sell, nfl sells, beer sells ….

We do what we do as long as it succeeds regularly. All I am saying is their definition of success is different … at least it appears that way because they WONT change … neither the owner nor the coach

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Post by 955876 » Sun Jan 02, 2022 10:49 pm

I’m just saying a new HC doesn’t diminish their financial bottom line.

They are already among the leagues worse teams sporting a historically bad offense.

Asses will be in the seats if the ever so important “3 coaches in…” is broken.
The Steelers are among the NFL’s worst teams in total offense (30th) and total defense (28th). Highest paid defense in the league by far. We are lucky to have Mike Tomlin.

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Post by Gonzo » Sun Jan 02, 2022 11:33 pm

It is my opinion that they equate the two with one another doing it the steeler way = stability and good returns
I agree that these changes would actually probably help … but they are far more rigid

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Post by drmalba » Mon Jan 03, 2022 12:27 am

JackLambert58 wrote:
Sun Jan 02, 2022 7:07 pm
Gonzo wrote:
Sun Jan 02, 2022 5:47 pm
Rooney won’t fire him because Rooney values stability, brand and stable cash flow more than he does championships
It’s why they changed Ben into checkdown Charlie, it’s why they won’t fire Tomlin, and it’s why they basement shop
It’s also why perch is likely right that they won’t rebuild fully … they will try and maintain mediocrity and muddle through.

However, They have IMO a problem right now with the plan … their stability is in large part built on internal building and they have failed with so many picks and development that they can’t. And Rooney - again IMO - will not like tarnishing the brand with some serious losing seasons.

If I had to guess, they will try stopgap measures next year and when that fails Rooney may finally come to his senses because of damage to the Steelers brand. Maybe if we say our prayers to the little baby Jesus in a tuxedo shirt, he will force a proper rebuild now.
Stability is about the last word I'd use to describe the Pittsburgh Steelers team 2011-Present.
2018-present I think you have an argument.

From 2011-2017 I don't think we had an organization stability problem. We had peak Ben, great talent on offense and defense and went to one AFCC (and probably would have gone to two more without key injuries).

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