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Re: Why the Steelers will suck this year

Post by bradshaw2ben » Tue Jun 28, 2022 1:59 am

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Oh I don’t expect much above decent but Trubisky was a highly regarded prospect
So were Josh Rosen & Ryan Leaf
(Wrongly) Ranked higher than Mahomes and Watson by some pundits (and obviously the Bears) but the draft pedigree was there
People deserved to be fired like those A&R guys who heard a nearly completely finished version of the first Boston record and decided they didn't hear a hit
B2B mentioned his success in early downs and short yardage (Taylor made for crappy ass Canada)

Bears fans just saw that again with another physically gifted 1st round qb in Justin Fields.

Point being Matt Nagy is not good at coaching and developing quarterbacks.
Nor, I would say, drafting them
I’m not saying a true stud qb wouldn’t overcome bad coaching but you can bet your left nut Jags fans are hoping Trevor Lawrence fell victim to the bad coaching of Urban Meyer.
Also probably overrated and more or less performing to his level in the NFL... great college QB who crumbled under pressure in that NCG vs better competition.
Problem I see is not going to be Mitch Trubisky but Matt Canada (Last year was Joe Walton bad)
He’s shown zero signs of being any better at coordinating an NFL offense than Matt Nagy, but hey he might have Urban Meyer beat
We agree about this 100%
Go Steelers
Go Kenny
IF the OL is like 10x better, they will be alright on O... but that's pretty wishful thinking.

Enjoy your optimism and don't let me bring you down too much.


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Post by Mick » Tue Jun 28, 2022 3:06 am

People act like Chicago was land of QB glory until Nagy showed up and ruined everything. Honestly, Trubisky’s 2018 is in the discussion for the 2nd best season by a Bears QB, all time (or at least superbowl era).

Which is really not saying much. Other than the problem likely goes beyond a particular player or coach.
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Post by Scunge » Tue Jun 28, 2022 3:06 am

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Tue Jun 14, 2022 12:35 pm
And he did that with this defensive group at its peak and an offensive line that wasn't below the line. If you think 2019 is the parallel, I don't know what to tell you to break the spell. 2019's defense isn't walking through that door any time soon.
I was going to do a lengthy post about how this defense could be closer to 2019 but what the hell, why not start some of that here.

I think the defense can be much, much better this year and I feel last year was a flukey, weird anomaly.

True, the Steelers did not go out and spend high picks in the draft, but what I look at is that they did two things, went and got quality free agents and finally moved on from Butler and replaced him with Teryl Austin and Brian Flores.

In terms of the free agents, I include Witherspoon in this group of 6 players because he was traded for late and then sat unused and only got a chance to show what he could do late in the season.

Anyway, the six free agents, Witherspoon, Wallace, Jack, Avery, Kazee, and Ogonjobi. When was the last time we brought in so many free agents like that? And that are all relatively still young? Most are in that 27-28 year range, with Kazee be the oldest at 29?

They have collectively played in 394 games, have started 299 games.

They have combined for 1,397 tackles, 84 tackles for loss. They have combined for 28 interceptions, 101 passes defensed. Have combined for 12 forced fumbles and 7 fumble recoveries. Have combined for 35.5 sacks and 96 QB hits. They have a combined 3 TDs scored.

These 6 players also have playoff experience, having played in 19 games with 14 starts.

Too often over the years, I look at our team and it is this pattern where there are Super Star players and then a bunch of young, inexperienced players and not much in the middle. This middle class, this crucial part of a team is what helps to make a winning team, a playoff team, a championship team.

You can't have first round picks at every position. You can't go out in free agency and spend $80 million on a shutdown CB, or an OLB, or a T, every season either.

The middle class on this team has been neglected for a long time. This offseason they went and signed free agents to 2 and 3 year deals and that were very team friendly to boot.

Anyway, I look at the infusion of these 6 players into our defense this year as a big boost. They are not learning how to play the game, they are not learning how to best prepare their bodies for the NFL, not learning about nutrition, what to eat, how to work out, etc. They have already done all of that! They are still in the prime of their careers and we are in the position to still get some of their best football.

These six players can complement our star players, while also influencing the younger players as well.

Last season we had the likes of Arthur Maulet, James Pierre, and Tre Norwood, of Derek Tuzska and Taco Carlton, of Isaiah Bugs, Henry Mondieux, and Montravius Adams out there on defense getting snaps. Some of those players WERE the middle class. You can't tell me that our front office didn't do a hell of a job acknowledging that they weren't good enough and spent this offseason addressing it.

I can't wait for the season to start, this defense may be very, very good this year, we will see.

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Post by Rod & Wire Mill » Tue Jun 28, 2022 3:12 am

Why the Steelers will suck this year:

Matt Canada
Not enough talented players
Mike Tomlin
Matt Canada
The only people fooled by the pre-snap tomfoolery will be the Steeler offense who collectively won’t be smooth or practiced enough to execute it.
They’ve been sloppy for decades getting in a play, getting up to the line, and heaven forbid, executing it. So let’s complicate things for them. They’ve always been good for half a dozen motion penalties/assignment screwups, etc. per game. That’s two full series of downs. But, spread out, it screws up six possessions. It’ll be the Keystone Cops. Poetic justice will be the offense finally getting in sync—just about the time Canada gets deported.

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Post by Kodiak. » Tue Jun 28, 2022 3:19 am

All that said^^^....it's still Tomlin's defense.

Would love to see the FA's make big contributions. But the reality is most are likely JAGs at best. That's just the track record, for the Steelers and everyone else bargain shopping in the lower mid-tier FA market. Maybe they get lucky and there's a James Farrior in the bunch, or at least a Larry Foote. I just hope they don't get pushed around again in the run game, then at least the defense might be interesting to watch. I could definitely see the defense being top-10, but realistically I'm going 15-20 range.

I think the defense will improve, some. Perhaps Austin and Flores can have a positive impact on Mikey, but that seems unlikely.

And I expect the offense to be [very] modestly improved. Last year's 9-7-1 smoke-n-mirrors team to this one with most of the AFC loaded with QB's. I'll be shocked if they win more than 7 games.
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Post by Ice » Tue Jun 28, 2022 12:43 pm

I'll agree with Scunge's post on the "middle class." It's like not having a decent 3rd line in hockey and trying to cover for it by essentially rolling two 4th lines.
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Post by bradshaw2ben » Tue Jun 28, 2022 6:06 pm

Mick wrote:
Tue Jun 28, 2022 3:06 am
People act like Chicago was land of QB glory until Nagy showed up and ruined everything. Honestly, Trubisky’s 2018 is in the discussion for the 2nd best season by a Bears QB, all time (or at least superbowl era).

Which is really not saying much. Other than the problem likely goes beyond a particular player or coach.
Mick, they had the number one defense oin football that year. He was around the 17th-20th best QB, good enough to caretake some low scoring wins but he trew some awful picks and generally looked dysfunctional in any passing situation. He made some plays with his legs, arguably the best part of his game. Is that enough? There's next no difference between Nagy's desired playstyle and Tomlin's.
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Post by Mick » Tue Jun 28, 2022 6:11 pm

bradshaw2ben wrote:
Tue Jun 28, 2022 6:06 pm
Mick wrote:
Tue Jun 28, 2022 3:06 am
People act like Chicago was land of QB glory until Nagy showed up and ruined everything. Honestly, Trubisky’s 2018 is in the discussion for the 2nd best season by a Bears QB, all time (or at least superbowl era).

Which is really not saying much. Other than the problem likely goes beyond a particular player or coach.
Mick, they had the number one defense oin football that year. He was around the 17th-20th best QB, good enough to caretake some low scoring wins but he trew some awful picks and generally looked dysfunctional in any passing situation. He made some plays with his legs, arguably the best part of his game. Is that enough? There's next no difference between Nagy's desired playstyle and Tomlin's.
I’m saying ignore the W/L record and defense and looking only at the QB play/passing results.

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Post by Jizz Mop » Tue Jun 28, 2022 6:26 pm

Am I crazy to think that an offense with:

Najee
Muuuuuuth
Claypool
DJ
Pickens
Austin

Could possibly be really good?

That’s assuming good o’line okay, if you will, obviously

Pickens is gonna be a stud - feel free to quote me

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Post by Mick » Tue Jun 28, 2022 6:36 pm

Jizz Mop wrote:
Tue Jun 28, 2022 6:26 pm
Am I crazy to think that an offense with:

Najee
Muuuuuuth
Claypool
DJ
Pickens
Austin

Could possibly be really good?

That’s assuming good o’line okay, if you will, obviously

Pickens is gonna be a stud - feel free to quote me
i think that offense could be really good if you gave it a LT and a QB.

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Post by Jobu » Tue Jun 28, 2022 6:55 pm

Jizz Mop wrote:
Tue Jun 28, 2022 6:26 pm
Am I crazy to think that an offense with:

Najee
Muuuuuuth
Claypool
DJ
Pickens
Austin

Could possibly be really good?

That’s assuming good o’line okay, if you will, obviously

Pickens is gonna be a stud - feel free to quote me
You could think that and no one would call you crazy, but there is a lot of finger crossing going on here. They are all young players and there is potential, but not a lot has been accomplished by that crew yet.

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Post by Kodiak. » Tue Jun 28, 2022 7:11 pm

Jizz Mop wrote:
Tue Jun 28, 2022 6:26 pm
Am I crazy to think that an offense with:

Najee
Muuuuuuth
Claypool
DJ
Pickens
Austin

Could possibly be really good?
What Najee put on tape last year really wasn't very good - little burst, poor vision and indecisive at times. He gets a pass because the OL was so bad and the passing game didn't help. But he doesn't scare anyone.

Mapletron turned into Mapleturd last year, with no signs of reverting to a guy you'd actually want on the roster.

Muuuuth could be better. But, let's be honest, his upside is poor-man's Heath Miller. I'll take it, but that's just a complementary player.

I think DJ is already a top-15/20 receiver. But I don't see much room for improvement in this offense.

Pickens and Austin look good on paper. But they're rookies. But if they push Claypool out, and whomever was #3 last year, then they can't help but make the receiving corps better.
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Post by bradshaw2ben » Wed Jun 29, 2022 3:53 am

Mick wrote:
Tue Jun 28, 2022 6:11 pm
bradshaw2ben wrote:
Tue Jun 28, 2022 6:06 pm
Mick wrote:
Tue Jun 28, 2022 3:06 am
People act like Chicago was land of QB glory until Nagy showed up and ruined everything. Honestly, Trubisky’s 2018 is in the discussion for the 2nd best season by a Bears QB, all time (or at least superbowl era).

Which is really not saying much. Other than the problem likely goes beyond a particular player or coach.
Mick, they had the number one defense oin football that year. He was around the 17th-20th best QB, good enough to caretake some low scoring wins but he trew some awful picks and generally looked dysfunctional in any passing situation. He made some plays with his legs, arguably the best part of his game. Is that enough? There's next no difference between Nagy's desired playstyle and Tomlin's.
I’m saying ignore the W/L record and defense and looking only at the QB play/passing results.
Between the 17th and 20th best passer in everything but QBR
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Post by Thrillsseeker » Wed Jun 29, 2022 10:27 am

Kodiak. wrote:
Tue Jun 28, 2022 7:11 pm
Jizz Mop wrote:
Tue Jun 28, 2022 6:26 pm
Am I crazy to think that an offense with:

Najee
Muuuuuuth
Claypool
DJ
Pickens
Austin

Could possibly be really good?
What Najee put on tape last year really wasn't very good - little burst, poor vision and indecisive at times. He gets a pass because the OL was so bad and the passing game didn't help. But he doesn't scare anyone.

(I think Najee put plenty of positives on tape. I saw an O-line that was putrid and caused the RB to suffer. He is going to be really good.)

Mapletron turned into Mapleturd last year, with no signs of reverting to a guy you'd actually want on the roster.

(Agree here. Hoping he gets his head on straight and others bring out the best in him. I want him to work out. Huge potential. I believe he turns into a diva headcase and leaves us with thoughts of what could have been.)

Muuuuth could be better. But, let's be honest, his upside is poor-man's Heath Miller. I'll take it, but that's just a complementary player.

(Muth is fine. I guess he could be better. Maybe faster? Other than that, he has some of the best hands I’ve seen in quite some time. Stoked to have him.)

I think DJ is already a top-15/20 receiver. But I don't see much room for improvement in this offense.

(Agree here. Think he takes a pretty big step backwards this yr without Ben.)

Pickens and Austin look good on paper. But they're rookies. But if they push Claypool out, and whomever was #3 last year, then they can't help but make the receiving corps better.
(Hoping to see these two pan out and contribute. Completely different WR’s but nice potential with both. I think Pickens becomes a star and Austin becomes a massive sticks mover/contributor. Looking forward to seeing these two.)

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Post by Havoc » Wed Jun 29, 2022 1:29 pm

bradshaw2ben wrote:
Wed Jun 29, 2022 3:53 am
Mick wrote:
Tue Jun 28, 2022 6:11 pm
bradshaw2ben wrote:
Tue Jun 28, 2022 6:06 pm


Mick, they had the number one defense oin football that year. He was around the 17th-20th best QB, good enough to caretake some low scoring wins but he trew some awful picks and generally looked dysfunctional in any passing situation. He made some plays with his legs, arguably the best part of his game. Is that enough? There's next no difference between Nagy's desired playstyle and Tomlin's.
I’m saying ignore the W/L record and defense and looking only at the QB play/passing results.
Between the 17th and 20th best passer in everything but QBR
20th in the league in 2018 in completions of 20+ yds.

He will fit right in!!!
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Post by Jobu » Wed Jun 29, 2022 1:44 pm

Havoc wrote:
Wed Jun 29, 2022 1:29 pm
bradshaw2ben wrote:
Wed Jun 29, 2022 3:53 am
Mick wrote:
Tue Jun 28, 2022 6:11 pm

I’m saying ignore the W/L record and defense and looking only at the QB play/passing results.
Between the 17th and 20th best passer in everything but QBR
20th in the league in 2018 in completions of 20+ yds.

He will fit right in!!!
Yeah, but wait til he’s running “Canada’s offense”! Play action, rollouts, motion…all that amazing stuff no DC in the league has ever seen before! :lol:

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Post by Scunge » Thu Jun 30, 2022 4:36 am

Kodiak. wrote:
Tue Jun 28, 2022 7:11 pm
Muuuuth could be better. But, let's be honest, his upside is poor-man's Heath Miller. I'll take it, but that's just a complementary player.
I find it interesting that people keep making the Heath Miller comparison. This may sound like sacrilege to some, but in my honest assessment of Heath Miller as a pass catcher, I always found him a bit limited, there was this stiffness to him, tight hips. He was not what I would call an agile, athletic pass catcher.

Now, let me be clear, I do not think Freiermuth is this super athlete either, he will never be mistaken for a Travis Kelce. But there is sort of a spectrum of TEs inbetween a Heath Miller and a Travis Kelce. Pat to me is more athletic, has more nimbleness to him, lighter feet, change of direction, in the ability to contort his body, looser hips.

To me the pro comparison that I have for Freiermuth is Jason Witten. Now whether he is able to become that type of player, we will see, but even if he becomes a poor man's Jason Witten that is still a great weapon to have in your offense.

I look at last year, his rookie season, and with an over the hill Ben throwing to him and came away impressed. He rewrote the Steeler rookie TE record books. Most catches, most yards, most TDs, yes he tied that last record with Eric Green, but if they hadn't wasted so much time early throwing to Enron, he might have easily owned the overall TD record for TEs.

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Post by Kodiak. » Thu Jun 30, 2022 5:24 am

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Thu Jun 30, 2022 4:36 am
To me the pro comparison that I have for Freiermuth is Jason Witten. Now whether he is able to become that type of player, we will see, but even if he becomes a poor man's Jason Witten that is still a great weapon to have in your offense.
You know, I could see that.

Miller's hands were excellent, and Muuuth is just as good. I'll grant he's a more athletic catcher, but I can't tell you if he's as fast or as good after the catch as Miller, or running routes.

And granting all that, it remains to be seen if Tomlin will move away from the U-shaped offense. I don't believe he will. They'll probably ask Muuuuth to bulk up, and use him primarily in the run game and as a RZ receiving threat. Would be a terrible shame, but 15 years and 5 OC's and the one constant has been the U (sometimes lower case u).
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Post by Scunge » Thu Jun 30, 2022 10:37 am

I don't agree that the U-shaped offense has been here for that long Kodiak. I think it really became prevalent as Ben was winding down and his arm, legs and his ability to quickly process info was declining rapidly. For me that was the past 4-5 years.

It used to be that Ben did play action, that he lined up under center. To me the offense was purposely curtailed around Ben, what he was capable of doing at a specific point in time. As he got older and began to lose his skill, I think that is when the offense took a turn for the worse and the U-shaped offense became dominant.

All I know is that Ben has to be a little jealous of the collection of WRs/TEs/RBs that Mitch/Kenny will have to throw to for the next 4 years.

Think about it. Ben had some great talent around him but it always seemed like we could never keep a group together for very long, or failing that the group would self destruct on their own with injuries, suspensions or batshit crazy behavior.

I am all for giving DJ a new contract. Then this team can go all the way until as late at 2025 before having to pay anyone else. Yes, in 2025 both Najee and Pat will be free agents, but they can do the 5th year option on Harris and franchise Freiermuth or give Muth a new deal. Pickett if he works out would play on that 5th year option in 2026 and you have the franchise tag available to put on George Pickens.

But this is 2022, and we have DJ, Pickens and Austin at WR, with Freiermuth at TE and Harris at RB. Those 5 players could play together for the next 4 years. That is why I am all for paying DJ, as I have pointed out the next big deal doesn't come until 2025 with Muth and 2026 when it comes time to pay Pickens. DJ is the veteran of the group, as young as he is and he has the work ethic and quiet leadership and if the Steelers reward him with a new deal, it goes far in showing the younger players that hard work WILL pay off.

Notice I make no mention of Claypool? I think he is not long for this team, if he does not bounce back in a major way this year I think he may find himself being traded next offseason.

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Post by COR-TEN » Thu Jun 30, 2022 11:04 am

Scunge wrote:
Thu Jun 30, 2022 10:37 am
I don't agree that the U-shaped offense has been here for that long Kodiak. I think it really became prevalent as Ben was winding down and his arm, legs and his ability to quickly process info was declining rapidly. For me that was the past 4-5 years.

It used to be that Ben did play action, that he lined up under center. To me the offense was purposely curtailed around Ben, what he was capable of doing at a specific point in time. As he got older and began to lose his skill, I think that is when the offense took a turn for the worse and the U-shaped offense became dominant.

All I know is that Ben has to be a little jealous of the collection of WRs/TEs/RBs that Mitch/Kenny will have to throw to for the next 4 years.

Think about it. Ben had some great talent around him but it always seemed like we could never keep a group together for very long, or failing that the group would self destruct on their own with injuries, suspensions or batshit crazy behavior.

I am all for giving DJ a new contract. Then this team can go all the way until as late at 2025 before having to pay anyone else. Yes, in 2025 both Najee and Pat will be free agents, but they can do the 5th year option on Harris and franchise Freiermuth or give Muth a new deal. Pickett if he works out would play on that 5th year option in 2026 and you have the franchise tag available to put on George Pickens.

But this is 2022, and we have DJ, Pickens and Austin at WR, with Freiermuth at TE and Harris at RB. Those 5 players could play together for the next 4 years. That is why I am all for paying DJ, as I have pointed out the next big deal doesn't come until 2025 with Muth and 2026 when it comes time to pay Pickens. DJ is the veteran of the group, as young as he is and he has the work ethic and quiet leadership and if the Steelers reward him with a new deal, it goes far in showing the younger players that hard work WILL pay off.

Notice I make no mention of Claypool? I think he is not long for this team, if he does not bounce back in a major way this year I think he may find himself being traded next offseason.
I don't think DJ has the mental/ intellectual capacity for leadership.
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Post by bradshaw2ben » Thu Jun 30, 2022 3:51 pm

Scunge wrote:
Thu Jun 30, 2022 4:36 am
Kodiak. wrote:
Tue Jun 28, 2022 7:11 pm
Muuuuth could be better. But, let's be honest, his upside is poor-man's Heath Miller. I'll take it, but that's just a complementary player.
I find it interesting that people keep making the Heath Miller comparison. This may sound like sacrilege to some, but in my honest assessment of Heath Miller as a pass catcher, I always found him a bit limited, there was this stiffness to him, tight hips. He was not what I would call an agile, athletic pass catcher.

Now, let me be clear, I do not think Freiermuth is this super athlete either, he will never be mistaken for a Travis Kelce. But there is sort of a spectrum of TEs inbetween a Heath Miller and a Travis Kelce. Pat to me is more athletic, has more nimbleness to him, lighter feet, change of direction, in the ability to contort his body, looser hips.

To me the pro comparison that I have for Freiermuth is Jason Witten. Now whether he is able to become that type of player, we will see, but even if he becomes a poor man's Jason Witten that is still a great weapon to have in your offense.

I look at last year, his rookie season, and with an over the hill Ben throwing to him and came away impressed. He rewrote the Steeler rookie TE record books. Most catches, most yards, most TDs, yes he tied that last record with Eric Green, but if they hadn't wasted so much time early throwing to Enron, he might have easily owned the overall TD record for TEs.
He was the Najee Harris of TEs. He accumulated stats through volume. I thought he was very good in the Red Zone, but the lack of production in the seam/more downfield between the 20s seems to confirm the questions about his athleticism/burst that defined his draft process. I think he's a nice #2 who can be a weapon in the Red Zone, but he's nothing like Witten or for that matter Heath. Heath may not have been an elite athlete, but he had the quick for a nod route that was his money maker, and he was able to get up the seam and open on over/corner routes in the intermediate range. I'd really need to see Freiermuth make some plays doing that before drawing any conclusions about him being a better pass target.
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Post by bradshaw2ben » Thu Jun 30, 2022 3:53 pm

Their ability to run PA was incredibly curtailed by their offensive line being unable to sustain pass pro on PA. That was an issue the last couple of years, notably Decastro and then Green/Turner.
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Post by Jobu » Thu Jun 30, 2022 4:08 pm

He was the Najee Harris of TEs. He accumulated stats through volume.
I’d throw Diontae Johnson into this category also.

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Post by Kodiak. » Thu Jun 30, 2022 5:26 pm

Scunge wrote:
Thu Jun 30, 2022 10:37 am
I don't agree that the U-shaped offense has been here for that long Kodiak. I think it really became prevalent as Ben was winding down and his arm, legs and his ability to quickly process info was declining rapidly. For me that was the past 4-5 years.

It used to be that Ben did play action, that he lined up under center. To me the offense was purposely curtailed around Ben, what he was capable of doing at a specific point in time. As he got older and began to lose his skill, I think that is when the offense took a turn for the worse and the U-shaped offense became dominant.
The U goes back to at least Haley. But, yeah, they have not been big on slants and intermediate/deep middle for most of Ben's career. Maybe they would have utilized the middle more under Arians, but the OL couldn't protect well enough for his slow-developing shit to work.

And PA got shelved early in Ben's career when the OL just wasn't good enough to block that long. Whether shell shocked or some other reason, after Munchak rebuilt the line they still continued to be near the bottom of PA%.

The offensive direction you're claiming was a result of Ben's diminishing skills goes back to 2014, if not sooner, when Ben was still pretty much in his prime.
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Post by Jobu » Thu Jun 30, 2022 7:11 pm

The U shaped offense goes back to Cowher, at least. Run between the tackles, pass outside the numbers…that’s been the Steelers attack for as long as I can remember.

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Post by Kodiak. » Thu Jun 30, 2022 7:29 pm

Jobu wrote:
Thu Jun 30, 2022 7:11 pm
The U shaped offense goes back to Cowher, at least. Run between the tackles, pass outside the numbers…that’s been the Steelers attack for as long as I can remember.
Ehhhh, Cowher threw the ball all over the place with O'Donnell that last year or two and Maddox. He did scale down the offense for rookie Ben. But once you get past the prime fat back years, Cowher was pretty open to new approaches on offense.
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Post by Jobu » Thu Jun 30, 2022 8:09 pm

Kodiak. wrote:
Thu Jun 30, 2022 7:29 pm
Jobu wrote:
Thu Jun 30, 2022 7:11 pm
The U shaped offense goes back to Cowher, at least. Run between the tackles, pass outside the numbers…that’s been the Steelers attack for as long as I can remember.
Ehhhh, Cowher threw the ball all over the place with O'Donnell that last year or two and Maddox. He did scale down the offense for rookie Ben. But once you get past the prime fat back years, Cowher was pretty open to new approaches on offense.
He may of threw it more, but he didn’t throw it different. Still mostly outside the numbers. And the running game mostly between the tackles.

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Post by Jobu » Thu Jun 30, 2022 8:43 pm

And just for the record, here are the Steelers rushing attempts per season under Cowher…
1992 - 518 (2nd)
1993 - 491 (5th)
1994 - 546 (2nd)
1995 - 494 (5th)
1996 - 525 (t 2nd)
1997 - 572 (1st)
1998 - 490 (6th)
1999 - 495 (5th)
2000 - 527 (2nd)
2001 - 580 (1st)
2002 - 512 (2nd)
2003 - 446 (t 14th)
2004 - 616 (1st)
2005 - 549 (1st)
2006 - 469 (t 9th)
Only once (2003) outside the top 10 in attempts, and only two other seasons (1998, 2006) outside the top five.

https://www.nfl.com/stats/team-stats/of ... 06/reg/all

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Post by RemoAZ » Thu Jun 30, 2022 11:40 pm

Just saw this stat. Yikes...

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Big Ben 2021 4th quarter stats: 12 TD, 1 INT
Mitch Trubisky career 4th quarter stats: 18 TD, 15 INT

Big Ben was clutch last year. Never forget that.
Howard Griffith had to resort to chop-blocking him during the 1997 AFC Championship Game. An incredulous Kirkland asked Griffith, “Why do you have to use cheap tactics like chop-blocking?” Griffith replied “Why do you have to be a 300-pound linebacker?”

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Post by lifelongsteel » Wed Jul 06, 2022 3:16 pm

RemoAZ wrote:
Thu Jun 30, 2022 11:40 pm
Just saw this stat. Yikes...

Andrew Fillipponi
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Big Ben 2021 4th quarter stats: 12 TD, 1 INT
Mitch Trubisky career 4th quarter stats: 18 TD, 15 INT

Big Ben was clutch last year. Never forget that.
Great stat. It also means he threw 10 TDs during the 48 other quarters he played.

Sad but true that my optimism for this year is directly proportional to how much I think Ben sucked last year.

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