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Re: Pickett is TRASH

Post by jeemie » Mon Oct 02, 2023 11:10 pm

I I am not gonna deny this but who the fuck schemes a play on a critical 4th and one that has the three main reads running intermediate routes?

Of course, Najee as the checkdown was wide open…Kenny never looked at him.


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Post by K_C_ » Mon Oct 02, 2023 11:35 pm

jeemie wrote:
Mon Oct 02, 2023 11:10 pm
I I am not gonna deny this but who the fuck schemes a play on a critical 4th and one that has the three main reads running intermediate routes?

Of course, Najee as the checkdown was wide open…Kenny never looked at him.
Here's a question.

Why don't the Steelers have a "Brotherly Shove" play ala The Eagles befor the NFL outlaws that play....and they will, probably as soon as next season?

Kenny has been great at sneaks. Line up fucking Keanu Benton and Darnell Washington right behind Kenny and have them fucking force Kenny forward a yard or 2 when needed.

Nope. Not Matt Canada.

He's throwing on 4th and 1.
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Post by Deebo » Tue Oct 03, 2023 3:08 pm

jeemie wrote:
Mon Oct 02, 2023 11:10 pm
I I am not gonna deny this but who the fuck schemes a play on a critical 4th and one that has the three main reads running intermediate routes?

Of course, Najee as the checkdown was wide open…Kenny never looked at him.
Rewatch that play again. Najee is not wide open- that LB is sitting on that throw hoping KP tosses it and he's got an easy pick 6 if he does. Or worse case scenario he dumps Harris for a loss.

Your other points are well founded- where are the quick hitters on a 4th and short?

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Post by jeemie » Tue Oct 03, 2023 3:09 pm

Deebo wrote:
Tue Oct 03, 2023 3:08 pm
jeemie wrote:
Mon Oct 02, 2023 11:10 pm
I I am not gonna deny this but who the fuck schemes a play on a critical 4th and one that has the three main reads running intermediate routes?

Of course, Najee as the checkdown was wide open…Kenny never looked at him.
Rewatch that play again. Najee is not wide open- that LB is sitting on that throw hoping KP tosses it and he's got an easy pick 6 if he does. Or worse case scenario he dumps Harris for a loss.

Your other points are well founded- where are the quick hitters on a 4th and short?
Ok I will look again. Doesn’t matter as Kenny never looked that way.
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Post by Dan Smith--BYU » Tue Oct 03, 2023 7:38 pm

"Here's a question.

Why don't the Steelers have a "Brotherly Shove" play ala The Eagles before the NFL outlaws that play....and they will, probably as soon as next season?

Kenny has been great at sneaks. Line up fucking Keanu Benton and Darnell Washington right behind Kenny and have them fucking force Kenny forward a yard or 2 when needed.

Nope. Not Matt Canada.

He's throwing on 4th and 1.

Excellent point. Every other team is copying it but Tomlin is going to ease into it after it is outlawed.
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Post by Steelperch » Tue Oct 03, 2023 8:34 pm

Here is a play where Pickett didn’t even get a pass off despite multiple open targets. He needs to mentally process faster and get rid of the ball.

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Post by Steelperch » Tue Oct 03, 2023 8:36 pm

This doesn’t look good either

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Post by 955876 » Tue Oct 03, 2023 8:46 pm

No worries, KP is going to have a breakout season in 2026.

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Post by LakecrestSteeler » Tue Oct 03, 2023 8:56 pm

Steelperch wrote:
Tue Oct 03, 2023 8:34 pm
Here is a play where Pickett didn’t even get a pass off despite multiple open targets. He needs to mentally process faster and get rid of the ball.

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His zone reads have been a problem this year for sure. This has been brought up by the State of the Steelers film study guy several times.

He also brings up the zone and man concepts on opposite sides of the field. So in the example you have above is this him dismissing the left side and then focusing on the right side routes only because one side is man and the other is zone? Is this what causes the processing to slow down? I don’t know what the end result of this play was, but that is WTFO in the NFL, at least the route in the flats.

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Post by Kodiak. » Tue Oct 03, 2023 9:24 pm

What down is that? Guessing 3rd and 10, and you'll note two guys ran 5-yd curls. The guy in the lower left is not open - he's rounding off to sit, and is effectively double-covered.

But the upper right is open for an easy 1st down completion
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Post by Kodiak. » Tue Oct 03, 2023 9:25 pm

Also, it massively sucks to be a Yr2 QB playing for an OC who's seat is red-hot, and a HC who may very well be on double-secret probation
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Post by PennyBacker » Tue Oct 03, 2023 11:27 pm

jeemie wrote:
Tue Oct 03, 2023 3:09 pm
Deebo wrote:
Tue Oct 03, 2023 3:08 pm
jeemie wrote:
Mon Oct 02, 2023 11:10 pm
I I am not gonna deny this but who the fuck schemes a play on a critical 4th and one that has the three main reads running intermediate routes?

Of course, Najee as the checkdown was wide open…Kenny never looked at him.
Rewatch that play again. Najee is not wide open- that LB is sitting on that throw hoping KP tosses it and he's got an easy pick 6 if he does. Or worse case scenario he dumps Harris for a loss.

Your other points are well founded- where are the quick hitters on a 4th and short?
Ok I will look again. Doesn’t matter as Kenny never looked that way.
It looked as though the plan was to try to get a chunk play there, which wasn't a horrible idea from my perspective. All of last season's hammering on Matt C. to attack down the field may have gotten through.

This team looks limited in what it can try in the passing game, particularly without Diontae. I, for one, hope he returns ASAP.

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Post by bradshaw2ben » Wed Oct 04, 2023 1:55 pm

955876 wrote:
Tue Oct 03, 2023 8:46 pm
No worries, KP is going to have a breakout season in 2026.
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Post by jebrick » Wed Oct 04, 2023 2:20 pm

PennyBacker wrote:
Tue Oct 03, 2023 11:27 pm
jeemie wrote:
Tue Oct 03, 2023 3:09 pm
Deebo wrote:
Tue Oct 03, 2023 3:08 pm


Rewatch that play again. Najee is not wide open- that LB is sitting on that throw hoping KP tosses it and he's got an easy pick 6 if he does. Or worse case scenario he dumps Harris for a loss.

Your other points are well founded- where are the quick hitters on a 4th and short?
Ok I will look again. Doesn’t matter as Kenny never looked that way.
It looked as though the plan was to try to get a chunk play there, which wasn't a horrible idea from my perspective. All of last season's hammering on Matt C. to attack down the field may have gotten through.

This team looks limited in what it can try in the passing game, particularly without Diontae. I, for one, hope he returns ASAP.
I think he is either not being coached or just missing pre-snap reads of the defense. He should know read 1-2-3 at the snap.
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Post by Professor Half Wit » Wed Oct 04, 2023 4:54 pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mdddbn5O0d4

Dude looks like a mentally broken QB.
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Post by Kodiak. » Wed Oct 04, 2023 6:14 pm

Professor Half Wit wrote:
Wed Oct 04, 2023 4:54 pm
Dude looks like a mentally broken QB.
No way. Kid is a film junkie, unlike that lazy SOB Roethlisberger.
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Post by LakecrestSteeler » Wed Oct 04, 2023 9:29 pm

Professor Half Wit wrote:
Wed Oct 04, 2023 4:54 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mdddbn5O0d4

Dude looks like a mentally broken QB.
Let’s not forget how much he had been getting clobbered too! Countless examples every game. The line really does blow at times.

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Post by bradshaw2ben » Wed Oct 04, 2023 9:32 pm

but he makes it worse but needlessly drifting and moving into pressure-- like on the one where Cole picks up a stunt, if Kenny just takes one step right, he doesn't get hit like that. Instead he goes left, into the edge pressure and gets clobbered.
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Post by K_C_ » Wed Oct 04, 2023 9:39 pm

bradshaw2ben wrote:
Wed Oct 04, 2023 9:32 pm
but he makes it worse but needlessly drifting and moving into pressure-- like on the one where Cole picks up a stunt, if Kenny just takes one step right, he doesn't get hit like that. Instead he goes left, into the edge pressure and gets clobbered.
:lol:

I get you hate the dude and sure, he's getting the fuck out of the pocket prematurely at times but Jesus H. Christ.....this o-line has been an abomination and now, with Broderick Jones (who somehow looks like he's never actually blocked someone before in his life...that's why I was hoping for Zay Flowers in the first) taking over protecting Kenny's blind side, Pickett should be ready to bail like a motherfucker.....damn near immediately or he might die.
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Post by Jtf » Wed Oct 04, 2023 10:29 pm

K_C_ wrote:
Wed Oct 04, 2023 9:39 pm
bradshaw2ben wrote:
Wed Oct 04, 2023 9:32 pm
but he makes it worse but needlessly drifting and moving into pressure-- like on the one where Cole picks up a stunt, if Kenny just takes one step right, he doesn't get hit like that. Instead he goes left, into the edge pressure and gets clobbered.
:lol:

I get you hate the dude and sure, he's getting the fuck out of the pocket prematurely at times but Jesus H. Christ.....this o-line has been an abomination and now, with Broderick Jones (who somehow looks like he's never actually blocked someone before in his life...that's why I was hoping for Zay Flowers in the first) taking over protecting Kenny's blind side, Pickett should be ready to bail like a motherfucker.....damn near immediately or he might die.
Posters would respect your point of view on Pickett more if you evaluated all qbs the same. Other guys you say suck or they are cunts. But for Kenny you pull out all the excuses about the line, his oc , his weapons. Other qbs you said suck or were cunts lol. Had the same issues.



Anyways if you watch all 22 there are good and bad. Problem is he is a slow processor
. His arm is fine. But does not anticipate well though. Yes he is accurate but he needs to be key whole accurate. And he is not.
Brian daboll said some qbs can hit a door. They are accurate. They should be Some can hit a door knob. Then some hit a the key hole. Kenny is the first one. When you don’t have great arm talent you got to process fast and be keyhole accurate I won’t tell you who he is was talking about. It will just upset you.

Pickett got potential but I seen him before. Down in south beach from 2012-2018. Needs running game. Good defense and needs to live on play action and boot legs. Nothing wrong with that. But he isn’t getting that here. Not right now. Buy in three or four years he can do that. But probably on another team.

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Post by K_C_ » Wed Oct 04, 2023 11:34 pm

Jtf wrote:
Wed Oct 04, 2023 10:29 pm
K_C_ wrote:
Wed Oct 04, 2023 9:39 pm
bradshaw2ben wrote:
Wed Oct 04, 2023 9:32 pm
but he makes it worse but needlessly drifting and moving into pressure-- like on the one where Cole picks up a stunt, if Kenny just takes one step right, he doesn't get hit like that. Instead he goes left, into the edge pressure and gets clobbered.
:lol:

I get you hate the dude and sure, he's getting the fuck out of the pocket prematurely at times but Jesus H. Christ.....this o-line has been an abomination and now, with Broderick Jones (who somehow looks like he's never actually blocked someone before in his life...that's why I was hoping for Zay Flowers in the first) taking over protecting Kenny's blind side, Pickett should be ready to bail like a motherfucker.....damn near immediately or he might die.
Posters would respect your point of view on Pickett more if you evaluated all qbs the same. Other guys you say suck or they are cunts. But for Kenny you pull out all the excuses about the line, his oc , his weapons. Other qbs you said suck or were cunts lol. Had the same issues.



Anyways if you watch all 22 there are good and bad. Problem is he is a slow processor
. His arm is fine. But does not anticipate well though. Yes he is accurate but he needs to be key whole accurate. And he is not.
Brian daboll said some qbs can hit a door. They are accurate. They should be Some can hit a door knob. Then some hit a the key hole. Kenny is the first one. When you don’t have great arm talent you got to process fast and be keyhole accurate I won’t tell you who he is was talking about. It will just upset you.

Pickett got potential but I seen him before. Down in south beach from 2012-2018. Needs running game. Good defense and needs to live on play action and boot legs. Nothing wrong with that. But he isn’t getting that here. Not right now. Buy in three or four years he can do that. But probably on another team.
I don’t honestly care if people respect my opinions to be honest. If they do, that’s great. If they don’t, that’s great too and I also see good and bad with Pickett.

The thing is, I don’t think he was a slow processor last season, especially once he started to actually trust his protection some. Sure, we all saw the guy bail sometimes last year out of the pocket before he needed to and that problem has not been corrected but somehow….unbelievably (and I honestly never thought this was possible) the goddamn offensive line play is fucking worse than it was last year!!

That is a total mind fuck and yes, I’ll acknowledge that Pickett has not played well even when he has had good protection because….it all comes back to him not trusting his o-line.

None of it’s good, obviously but when you add in Matt Canada’s laughably bad play calling (fucking defenses literally know what’s coming!!) and little to no running game, this is clusterfuck for the ages.

Frankly, I see no solutions as long as this coaching staff remains in place.
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Post by LakecrestSteeler » Wed Oct 04, 2023 11:57 pm

K_C_ wrote:
Wed Oct 04, 2023 11:34 pm
Jtf wrote:
Wed Oct 04, 2023 10:29 pm
K_C_ wrote:
Wed Oct 04, 2023 9:39 pm


:lol:

I get you hate the dude and sure, he's getting the fuck out of the pocket prematurely at times but Jesus H. Christ.....this o-line has been an abomination and now, with Broderick Jones (who somehow looks like he's never actually blocked someone before in his life...that's why I was hoping for Zay Flowers in the first) taking over protecting Kenny's blind side, Pickett should be ready to bail like a motherfucker.....damn near immediately or he might die.
Posters would respect your point of view on Pickett more if you evaluated all qbs the same. Other guys you say suck or they are cunts. But for Kenny you pull out all the excuses about the line, his oc , his weapons. Other qbs you said suck or were cunts lol. Had the same issues.



Anyways if you watch all 22 there are good and bad. Problem is he is a slow processor
. His arm is fine. But does not anticipate well though. Yes he is accurate but he needs to be key whole accurate. And he is not.
Brian daboll said some qbs can hit a door. They are accurate. They should be Some can hit a door knob. Then some hit a the key hole. Kenny is the first one. When you don’t have great arm talent you got to process fast and be keyhole accurate I won’t tell you who he is was talking about. It will just upset you.

Pickett got potential but I seen him before. Down in south beach from 2012-2018. Needs running game. Good defense and needs to live on play action and boot legs. Nothing wrong with that. But he isn’t getting that here. Not right now. Buy in three or four years he can do that. But probably on another team.
I don’t honestly care if people respect my opinions to be honest. If they do, that’s great. If they don’t, that’s great too and I also see good and bad with Pickett.

The thing is, I don’t think he was a slow processor last season, especially once he started to actually trust his protection some. Sure, we all saw the guy bail sometimes last year out of the pocket before he needed to and that problem has not been corrected but somehow….unbelievably (and I honestly never thought this was possible) the goddamn offensive line play is fucking worse than it was last year!!

That is a total mind fuck and yes, I’ll acknowledge that Pickett has not played well even when he has had good protection because….it all comes back to him not trusting his o-line.

None of it’s good, obviously but when you add in Matt Canada’s laughably bad play calling (fucking defenses literally know what’s coming!!) and little to no running game, this is clusterfuck for the ages.

Frankly, I see no solutions as long as this coaching staff remains in place.
They thought the foster kid was a slow processor too; they blamed it on a bunch of things! Turns out it was Jerry Sandusky!

Matt is Jerry with Kenny!

Apologies to those that have been diddled by a diddler!

Matt Canada is diddling this whole fucking offense!

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Post by jebrick » Thu Oct 05, 2023 12:39 pm

bradshaw2ben wrote:
Wed Oct 04, 2023 9:32 pm
but he makes it worse but needlessly drifting and moving into pressure-- like on the one where Cole picks up a stunt, if Kenny just takes one step right, he doesn't get hit like that. Instead he goes left, into the edge pressure and gets clobbered.
Drifting left is what he did last year. Defenses pick up on that stuff and he gets hammered. Zero pocket presents. i am not sure he can read a defense pre snap. For a 2nd year QB, this really sucks
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