Next two games

[Mick]

I still see plenty of reason to be optimistic about Pickett long term, but I wish we hadn’t brought Canada back.

As it stands, I’d favor taking a QB fairly high next draft if we like the value. What’s the worst case scenario? Pickett turns out to be great next year, and we fall one rookie position player short of a championship? Or a terrible Brees/Rivers situation? Sort of a Jalen Hurts even though we have Wentz situation.

Also worth noting, over in the NFC all the relevant teams are quarterbacked by 2nd round or later QBs (and/or bargain FA QBs), except arguably the Lions. And the worst five teams are quarterbacked by first round picks.

[955876]

Well, we sort of need to see Jibbs do it rather than assuming he will do it.

His team, his coaches, his players.

It’s all on him now. No more Cowher coaching staff or HOF QBs drafted before his time to bail him out.

I hope he proves to be up to the challenge as I’d like to have at least one week in January where we can celebrate a playoff win and look forward to the following week.

Something that used to be a common thing round here.

[K_C_]

I still see plenty of reason to be optimistic about Pickett long term, but I wish we hadn’t brought Canada back.

As it stands, I’d favor taking a QB fairly high next draft if we like the value. What’s the worst case scenario? Pickett turns out to be great next year, and we fall one rookie position player short of a championship? Or a terrible Brees/Rivers situation? Sort of a Jalen Hurts even though we have Wentz situation.

Also worth noting, over in the NFC all the relevant teams are quarterbacked by 2nd round or later QBs (and/or bargain FA QBs), except arguably the Lions. And the worst five teams are quarterbacked by first round picks.

Exactamundo.

Anybody with half a brain can see that Canada's offense is all about avoiding risk.

What is the first play of nearly every Steelers drive? Najee up the gut for 2 yards. Once in awhile he breaks one for a nice gain but run, run, pass is the common plan of attack (probably the wrong word to use) that Matt Canada and Mike Tomlin like to use.

It must be pretty frustrating for any QB to try and lead this kind of offense, but overall I'm pleased with what Pickett has done.

I did not like his play yesterday because he tried to force passes which he is normally good at avoiding but while the Madden crowd want Pickett to light up the scoreboard with acrobatic TD passes, that simply isn't what this offense is about....until (much like Ben a few years back) the team needs a score to win the game late and Pickett normally provides that.

I'll take it and hope the kid gets better, which is going to be very tough in this offense.

[bradshaw2ben]

I still see plenty of reason to be optimistic about Pickett long term, but I wish we hadn’t brought Canada back.

As it stands, I’d favor taking a QB fairly high next draft if we like the value. What’s the worst case scenario? Pickett turns out to be great next year, and we fall one rookie position player short of a championship? Or a terrible Brees/Rivers situation? Sort of a Jalen Hurts even though we have Wentz situation.

Also worth noting, over in the NFC all the relevant teams are quarterbacked by 2nd round or later QBs (and/or bargain FA QBs), except arguably the Lions. And the worst five teams are quarterbacked by first round picks.

I'm with you 100% on the part in bold.

In the AFC, the dominant teams:

1. Mahomes picked 10th. Much like Ben... should have been #1 overall, even in a good QB class.
2. Ravens... Picked LJ late 1st (32), after they already used a 1st round pick to get the immortal Hayden Hurst
3. Bengals... 1st overall, and deservedly so Burrow


Miami, Houston, Buffalo are the next tier; 5th overall, 2nd overall, picked 7th (3rd QB picked).

Just goes to show you that there's a million ways to skin a cat. The biggest thing all those teams have in common: they didn't stick too long with their previous competent, maybe even above average QB. Alex Smith, Joe Flacco, Andy Dalton, Tannehill, Fitzpatrick, Watson, Tyrod Taylor. Only Flacco (won a Super Bowl just before his deal) and Watson (looked like a forever franchise QB before the drama) got big deals. you can miss with your picks but just don't linger on your failures.

[955876]

while the Madden crowd want Pickett to light up the scoreboard with acrobatic TD passes,

We’d settle for a few regular TD passes too. They don’t have to be acrobatic.

And you know, KP throwing a few more TDs might just help break this mold of always being in one score games.

No matter how big a pretzel you want to twist yourself into justifying his play, KP’s current TD rate of 0.67/game isn’t going to get it done and must improve.

I’ll be happy to give him credit when he does something besides avoiding risk as I’m not one of these “pretend GMs” you claim anyone who isn’t blowing sunshine up KP’s ass must be. I want him to succeed. Duh.

He does need to grow as a passer though. Not sure why that is so hard to grasp. And that isn’t something you just flip a switch and it happens.

[955876]

And by golly, Jibbs is saying the same exact thing I am.

Wins are great but we need more from KP.

Both can be true at the same time. As myself and others have been saying

We’re going to need more, particularly as this road narrows,” Tomlin said Tuesday at his weekly press conference.

[K_C_]

And by golly, Jibbs is saying the same exact thing I am.

Wins are great but we need more from KP.

Both can be true at the same time. As myself and others have been saying

We’re going to need more, particularly as this road narrows,” Tomlin said Tuesday at his weekly press conference.

Pssst....Tomlin said something else you're leaving out though..

...and that shocks absolutely nobody.

Here's I'll help you out:

"But guys like Kenny and myself, we're measured by wins and losses. He and I talk about that often and openly. We know what our jobs are. Our jobs are to win. And so that's where we are, that's where our focus is. I love the fact that he embraces that. Down in and down out, are there some things to work on? Certainly. But it's not like we're going to start on Wednesday working on those things. We've been working on those things and we'll continue until we get the desired result."

[955876]

And by golly, Jibbs is saying the same exact thing I am.

Wins are great but we need more from KP.

Both can be true at the same time. As myself and others have been saying

We’re going to need more, particularly as this road narrows,” Tomlin said Tuesday at his weekly press conference.

Pssst....Tomlin said something else you're leaving out though..

...and that shocks absolutely nobody.

Here's I'll help you out:

"But guys like Kenny and myself, we're measured by wins and losses. He and I talk about that often and openly. We know what our jobs are. Our jobs are to win. And so that's where we are, that's where our focus is. I love the fact that he embraces that. Down in and down out, are there some things to work on? Certainly. But it's not like we're going to start on Wednesday working on those things. We've been working on those things and we'll continue until we get the desired result."

Psssst. I didn’t leave that out. It’s bolded for you.

Jibbs is saying the same thing I am. Wins are great but we will need more come playoff time.

And I never said wins are not important. That is just dumb.

What I’m not doing is ignoring awful play just because we won a game.

It’s a team sport dipshit. We aren’t winning solely because of KP. He just isn’t losing the game.

Based on your logic, say we have a game where Harvin shanks a couple 27 yard punts but we still managed to win the game.

Should we not be concerned or be critical of shanked punts because we won?

[K_C_]

And by golly, Jibbs is saying the same exact thing I am.

Wins are great but we need more from KP.

Both can be true at the same time. As myself and others have been saying

Pssst....Tomlin said something else you're leaving out though..

...and that shocks absolutely nobody.

Here's I'll help you out:

"But guys like Kenny and myself, we're measured by wins and losses. He and I talk about that often and openly. We know what our jobs are. Our jobs are to win. And so that's where we are, that's where our focus is. I love the fact that he embraces that. Down in and down out, are there some things to work on? Certainly. But it's not like we're going to start on Wednesday working on those things. We've been working on those things and we'll continue until we get the desired result."

Psssst. I didn’t leave that out. It’s bolded for you.

Jibbs is saying the same thing I am. Wins are great but we will need more come playoff time.

And I never said wins are not important. That is just dumb.

What I’m not doing is ignoring awful play just because we won a game.

It’s a team sport dipshit. We aren’t winning solely because of KP. He just isn’t losing the game.

Based on your logic, say we have a game where Harvin shanks a couple 27 yard punts but we still managed to win the game.

Should we not be concerned or be critical of shanked punts because we won?

Tomlin said, correctly that he and Pickett will ultimately be judged by wins and losses.

Not style points.

Not TD passes.

Wins and losses.

Game, set, match.

Thanks for playing.

[955876]

And at the end of the day you are arguing just to argue.

You ALSO agree he needs to play better.

So WTF?

[955876]

Pssst....Tomlin said something else you're leaving out though..

...and that shocks absolutely nobody.

Here's I'll help you out:

"But guys like Kenny and myself, we're measured by wins and losses. He and I talk about that often and openly. We know what our jobs are. Our jobs are to win. And so that's where we are, that's where our focus is. I love the fact that he embraces that. Down in and down out, are there some things to work on? Certainly. But it's not like we're going to start on Wednesday working on those things. We've been working on those things and we'll continue until we get the desired result."

Psssst. I didn’t leave that out. It’s bolded for you.

Jibbs is saying the same thing I am. Wins are great but we will need more come playoff time.

And I never said wins are not important. That is just dumb.

What I’m not doing is ignoring awful play just because we won a game.

It’s a team sport dipshit. We aren’t winning solely because of KP. He just isn’t losing the game.

Based on your logic, say we have a game where Harvin shanks a couple 27 yard punts but we still managed to win the game.

Should we not be concerned or be critical of shanked punts because we won?

Tomlin said, correctly that he and Pickett will ultimately be judged by wins and losses.

Not style points.

Not TD passes.

Wins and losses.

Game, set, match.

Thanks for playing.

Of course. Duh. No shit.

But he also knows he won’t be getting the wins that matter (you know, that thing called the playoffs) if Pickett doesn’t play better.

Otherwise, why the fuck would he say they need more form KP? He recognizes it. You just refuse to after jizzing over a couple preseason completions.

You are splitting fucking hairs here dude.

Mind numbing how simple minded you can be.

I’m literally saying the same shit Tomlin is saying and you are still arguing against me.

I NEVER SAID WINS ARE NOT THE MOST IMPORTANT dipshit.

It can also be true that wins are most important AND that KP needs to be better if we want to be a contender.

Tell me otherwise. Tell me how we can be a serious contender with QB doing nothing more than not throwing pics and making a couple plays late.

That’ll get it done in this league against a Pat Mahomes?

You believe that? Of course not.

[K_C_]

And at the end of the day you are arguing just to argue.

You ALSO agree he needs to play better.

So WTF?

Does Pickett need to play better? Of course.

Psssst....know what else? The whole offense needs to play better, especially "#1 receiver" Diontae Johnson needs to play better (wanna help your QB score more points? Don't fucking drop deep passes you should easily catch.)

How about Calvin Austin running a pick play like a FUCKING RETARD when Pickett literally ended yesterday's game?

Najee Harris hurdling himself out of a huge first down.

....and obviously, the biggest issue with the offense (far, far more than Pickett or any of the players) is Matt Canada.

His conservative play calling is keeping games close and either the defense or Pickett are doing what is necessary to win.

Can it continue? I don't know but if you think Canada is going to change his approach and is going to start having Kenny throwing the ball all over the field, I have a bridge to sell you in one of the 5 boroughs.

[955876]

Psssst....know what else? The whole offense needs to play better

Holy shit. I did not realize this at all.

Thank you for educating me.



You think I don’t know that already? Come on dude.

Why does any criticism of KP’s league bottom feeder level of play bother you so much?

Is it all that celebration you did back in the preseason you are trying to defend?

I mean, we aren’t even saying different things here. You are just Uber focused on any criticism of KP and twist all arguments to defend him.

Tomlin said just like I do that KP still needs to play better despite the fact they are ultimately judged on wins and losses.

He knows (as do many here) that to really win KP needs to be better.

Can we be done here now?

[RemoAZ]

Psssst....know what else? The whole offense needs to play better

Holy shit. I did not realize this at all.

Thank you for educating me.



You think I don’t know that already? Come on dude.

Why does any criticism of KP league bottom feeder level of play bother you so much?

Is it all that celebration you did back in the preseason you are trying to defend?

I mean, we aren’t even saying different thing here. You are just Uber focused on any criticism (fully warranted) of KP and defect it to well we are winning.

Ya. So. Tomlin said just like I do that KP still needs to play better despite the fact they are ultimately judged on wins and losses.

He knows (as do many here) that to really win KP needs to be better.

Can we be done here now?

Ben could only make this offense look competent in the 4th quarter. Kenny is the same. I think that's what you'd call a trend. Common denominator is Tomlin. Fuck him.

[K_C_]

Psssst....know what else? The whole offense needs to play better

Holy shit. I did not realize this at all.

Thank you for educating me.



You think I don’t know that already? Come on dude.

Why does any criticism of KP’s league bottom feeder level of play bother you so much?

Is it all that celebration you did back in the preseason you are trying to defend?

I mean, we aren’t even saying different things here. You are just Uber focused on any criticism of KP and twist all arguments to defend him.

Tomlin said just like I do that KP still needs to play better despite the fact they are ultimately judged on wins and losses.

He knows (as do many here) that to really win KP needs to be better.

Can we be done here now?

I'm not even really defending Pickett, because I like the way he's playing.

Quite a lot, actually. You don't.

I'm good with that.

Like a lot of Madden fans, you put too much emphasis on QB play. I get that, you don't get that the offense isn't built to score a bunch of points.

It's about limiting mistakes, pounding teams with the run and playing good defense.

Pickett has made plenty of plays. We all know how many final drive 4th quarter comeback wins he has. Pickett is doing just fine.

Canada isn't going to change his approach. You don't get that. There's no explaining that to you.

You're going to put everything on the QB. No biggie. Lots of folks here do that, mainly because they didn't have Pickett in their mock drafts.

I want to see the entire offense get better. I'm not sure it can with the Canada/Tomlin conservative approach. No matter who the QB is.

Pickett is limiting mistakes (although he tried his ass off to make some huge ones yesterday.)

You wanna see a wide open downfield passing game that attacks defenses?

Put Mitch in.

See how that goes.

[955876]

Like a lot of Madden fans, you put too much emphasis on QB play. I get that, you don't get that the offense isn't built to score a bunch of points.

1) I don’t play video games. So not a Madden fan nor a pretend draft GM. I had no issue with KP until this year when he failed to make any improvement from year 1 to year 2.

2) if you don’t see the issue with the rest of this statement I’m not going to waste time trying to educate you.

But here’s a hint: it’s a QB driven league and ummm scoring points is kind of important.

Stopped reading your post right there.

[K_C_]

Like a lot of Madden fans, you put too much emphasis on QB play. I get that, you don't get that the offense isn't built to score a bunch of points.

1) I don’t play video games. So not a Madden fan nor a pretend draft GM. I had no issue with KP until this year when he failed to make any improvement from year 1 to year 2.

2) if you don’t see the issue with the rest of this statement I’m not going to waste time trying to educate you.

But here’s a hint: it’s a QB driven league and ummm scoring points is kind of important.

Stopped reading your post right there.

Well, I would start writing letters to the Rooney’s and Tomlin and demand that Pickett be replaced.

I can’t really think of much else you can do to change the situation.

Good luck though. Hope it works!!

[TomlinIsARoadblock]

Pickett is awesome. Wow. Looks like Tebow more and more every 4th quarter

I realize you are an older Steelers fan who may only enjoy a certain amount of seasons, but if you can look at Pickett and see an NFL QB who will be in the league a decade from now.

Well, then, you need to change your prescription glasses, as My Cousin Vinny would say.

[Deebo]

Was it Ben’s AFCC Denver playoff game that broke the shackles for him? My memory says that was the game…it was just pass after pass, slicing and dicing. After that it was all personnel decisions went thru Ben in some form or fashion.

Kenny needs that type of game, where it is an all out full Steeler organizational air assault. WR, RB, TE corps, O-line, and the defense are all bought in on the game plan.

I would like to see that before the end of this season! Just so we know….and based on those results throw a bunch more Draft QB or Draft WR & OL on the Chuk-O-Luck wheel!

I think it was the Colts divisional game. I remember that fat fuck Howard Mudd on the sideline saying something like “all pass” after the first drive, which started with a sweet PA to Heath and ended with ARE touchdown. After that Ben lit up Denver then played less great in SB XL.

Just another reminder to the former anti-Cowher, now anti-Tomlin crowd that a team can change identity and make a playoff run. How quickly that is all forgotten.

Ben had 76 yards in the air ON HIS FIRST DRIVE vs the Colts.

[955876]

Ben had 76 yards in the air ON HIS FIRST DRIVE vs the Colts.

That’s 3 quarters of work for KP.

[swissvale72]

while the Madden crowd want Pickett to light up the scoreboard with acrobatic TD passes,

We’d settle for a few regular TD passes too. They don’t have to be acrobatic.

And you know, KP throwing a few more TDs might just help break this mold of always being in one score games.

No matter how big a pretzel you want to twist yourself into justifying his play, KP’s current TD rate of 0.67/game isn’t going to get it done and must improve.

I’ll be happy to give him credit when he does something besides avoiding risk as I’m not one of these “pretend GMs” you claim anyone who isn’t blowing sunshine up KP’s ass must be. I want him to succeed. Duh.

He does need to grow as a passer though. Not sure why that is so hard to grasp. And that isn’t something you just flip a switch and it happens.

So… You have felt better had Kenny thrown two short touchdown passes rather than having two touchdown runs this past Sunday?? What fucking difference does it make if we score by ground or by air?

[Professor Half Wit]

while the Madden crowd want Pickett to light up the scoreboard with acrobatic TD passes,

We’d settle for a few regular TD passes too. They don’t have to be acrobatic.

And you know, KP throwing a few more TDs might just help break this mold of always being in one score games.

No matter how big a pretzel you want to twist yourself into justifying his play, KP’s current TD rate of 0.67/game isn’t going to get it done and must improve.

I’ll be happy to give him credit when he does something besides avoiding risk as I’m not one of these “pretend GMs” you claim anyone who isn’t blowing sunshine up KP’s ass must be. I want him to succeed. Duh.

He does need to grow as a passer though. Not sure why that is so hard to grasp. And that isn’t something you just flip a switch and it happens.

So… You have felt better had Kenny thrown two short touchdown passes rather than having two touchdown runs this past Sunday?? What fucking difference does it make if we score by ground or by air?

We are mixing up two different concerns?

In terms of any particular game played, just win, baby. Everyone agrees on that.

In terms of probability of returning to a Super Bowl, you need at least a very good QB and elite offense and defense. Lacking elite O and elite D (say you only have one or neither) you had better have an elite QB.

Nobody gives a fuck that any given game is won by opportunistic D or a tremendous ground game.

People give many and large fucks that the QB so far does not look like a promise land player.

I, for one, am having a helluva ride with this team. The 2023 Steelers are basically the Seinfeld episode where Kramer and the car salesman refuse to stop for gas and still are able to keep going somehow.

[955876]

We’d settle for a few regular TD passes too. They don’t have to be acrobatic.

And you know, KP throwing a few more TDs might just help break this mold of always being in one score games.

No matter how big a pretzel you want to twist yourself into justifying his play, KP’s current TD rate of 0.67/game isn’t going to get it done and must improve.

I’ll be happy to give him credit when he does something besides avoiding risk as I’m not one of these “pretend GMs” you claim anyone who isn’t blowing sunshine up KP’s ass must be. I want him to succeed. Duh.

He does need to grow as a passer though. Not sure why that is so hard to grasp. And that isn’t something you just flip a switch and it happens.

So… You have felt better had Kenny thrown two short touchdown passes rather than having two touchdown runs this past Sunday?? What fucking difference does it make if we score by ground or by air?

We are mixing up two different concerns?

In terms of any particular game played, just win, baby. Everyone agrees on that.

In terms of probability of returning to a Super Bowl, you need at least a very good QB and elite offense and defense. Lacking elite O and elite D (say you only have one or neither) you had better have an elite QB.

Nobody gives a fuck that any given game is won by opportunistic D or a tremendous ground game.

People give many and large fucks that the QB so far does not look like a promise land player.

I, for one, am having a helluva ride with this team. The 2023 Steelers are basically the Seinfeld episode where Kramer and the car salesman refuse to stop for gas and still are able to keep going somehow.

KC is as good at twisting and misrepresenting what someone is really saying as Jibbs is at wordsmiffing.

Agree with your post.

I’m enjoying the wins too. Not enjoying watching games where we go huge stretches without even gaining a 1st down.

Painful to watch but great if you need to get a nap in.

[Deebo]

We’d settle for a few regular TD passes too. They don’t have to be acrobatic.

And you know, KP throwing a few more TDs might just help break this mold of always being in one score games.

No matter how big a pretzel you want to twist yourself into justifying his play, KP’s current TD rate of 0.67/game isn’t going to get it done and must improve.

I’ll be happy to give him credit when he does something besides avoiding risk as I’m not one of these “pretend GMs” you claim anyone who isn’t blowing sunshine up KP’s ass must be. I want him to succeed. Duh.

He does need to grow as a passer though. Not sure why that is so hard to grasp. And that isn’t something you just flip a switch and it happens.

So… You have felt better had Kenny thrown two short touchdown passes rather than having two touchdown runs this past Sunday?? What fucking difference does it make if we score by ground or by air?

We are mixing up two different concerns?

In terms of any particular game played, just win, baby. Everyone agrees on that.

In terms of probability of returning to a Super Bowl, you need at least a very good QB and elite offense and defense. Lacking elite O and elite D (say you only have one or neither) you had better have an elite QB.

Nobody gives a fuck that any given game is won by opportunistic D or a tremendous ground game.

People give many and large fucks that the QB so far does not look like a promise land player.

I, for one, am having a helluva ride with this team. The 2023 Steelers are basically the Seinfeld episode where Kramer and the car salesman refuse to stop for gas and still are able to keep going somehow.

Yea and what was the true ending to that episode?

The car finally runs out of gas and the salesman and Kramer get assraped by the Long Island serial killer. Please sign me up for more buttfucking!

[955876]

Actually saw Jerry Seinfeld recently. He was funny. Had the wife and I cracking up.

Saw Adam Sandler recently before Jerry and Jerry was funnier.

Rob Schneider opened for Sandler. Now he was funny.

[RemoAZ]

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[stillthere]

Too early to do an in-depth analysis of schedules, etc., but it is actually possible that all four Norf teams could qualify.

Just click here someone else makes it easy to see what is up.

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[stillthere]

Actually saw Jerry Seinfeld recently. He was funny. Had the wife and I cracking up.

Saw Adam Sandler recently before Jerry and Jerry was funnier.

Rob Schneider opened for Sandler. Now he was funny.

I bartended 7 straight Dave Chappelle shows as he was filming his next Netflix special back in DC last month. He brings the A game every time.

[Orangesteel]

while the Madden crowd want Pickett to light up the scoreboard with acrobatic TD passes,

We’d settle for a few regular TD passes too. They don’t have to be acrobatic.

And you know, KP throwing a few more TDs might just help break this mold of always being in one score games.

No matter how big a pretzel you want to twist yourself into justifying his play, KP’s current TD rate of 0.67/game isn’t going to get it done and must improve.

I’ll be happy to give him credit when he does something besides avoiding risk as I’m not one of these “pretend GMs” you claim anyone who isn’t blowing sunshine up KP’s ass must be. I want him to succeed. Duh.

He does need to grow as a passer though. Not sure why that is so hard to grasp. And that isn’t something you just flip a switch and it happens.

So… You have felt better had Kenny thrown two short touchdown passes rather than having two touchdown runs this past Sunday?? What fucking difference does it make if we score by ground or by air?

Come on Swiss; because we sank 3-4 years into Kenny as a FIRST ROUND PICK that you know Rooney and Tomlin won’t bail on, and the dude is just out there plodding along trying to not get killed or make the tough pass.

Is this the guy that will go toe to toe with some of the best QBs in the league to have a chance at a Super Bowl? Think about the playoff games we’ve seen the last 3-5 years. 13-10 in January is not going to cut it.

[stillthere]

Come on Swiss; because we sank 3-4 years into Kenny as a FIRST ROUND PICK that you know Rooney and Tomlin won’t bail on, and the dude is just out there plodding along trying to not get killed or make the tough pass.

Is this the guy that will go toe to toe with some of the best QBs in the league to have a chance at a Super Bowl? Think about the playoff games we’ve seen the last 3-5 years. 13-10 in January is not going to cut it.

KP8 is playing with broken ribs and you say he is "plodding along trying not to get killed". Broken ribs is a 5 week process minimum maybe 8 weeks.