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[Stillchest]

I mean people keep going back to “well Purdy & Brady didn’t have the biggest arms and they’ve been successful” without mentioning that they are two of the quickest processors I’ve ever seen and just have “it” in spades. If Kenny had shown any of that, I’d buy the argument of “well in a better scheme he could be Purdy”.

Purdy, again, has elite weapons at every position and an elite o-line....oh yeah, and the best, most innovative play caller/designer in the fucking league.

Once a few of those guys got hurt and the pass rush started getting to Brock's ass a whole lot faster, his incredible computer-like ability to process went away.

Now that those guys are back, Brock looks like a world beater. Playing on the best team in football with absolutely no weaknesses.

So I'll ask again and you'll likely ignore again.

If PR Pickett was somehow on the 49ers would he also be leading the league in every QB metric going?

I mean, it is ALL cast and coaches right. Even though 49ers players dispute that and ummm the #3 QB taken in the draft was kicked to the curb because he couldn't run the Niners offense effectively.

Impossible to give a definitive answer.

NO young QB should be expected to be developed into
a legit NFL starter under Tomlin and his antiquated football philosophy.

[955876]

True. But KC acts as if Purdy is ONLY successful because of everything around him and that PR Pickett is bad just because of the poor coaching and supporting cast around him.

Now I have no doubt that KP could do better if he was in a better situation but that isn't a guarantee.

And in the case of Purdy, you don't LEAD THE LEAGUE IN EVERY METRIC solely because of your surroundings.

He still has to make the reads, stand in the pocket, and deliver strikes.

KC leaves out the part about Pickett having to make the reads and deliver accurate passes. No guarantee that he'd do so.

We've had wide open receivers that he doesn't get the ball to and when he tries throws a bad pass.

It is just as likely Shannahan would kick Pickett to the curb like he did Lance as it is that Pickett would go from league worst to league first if he replaced Purdy.

Wish this wasn't the case because given the Steelers tripping over themselves to "not let another Pitt QB get by them".

[RemoAZ]

Now I have no doubt that KP could do better if he was in a better situation but that isn't a guarantee.

And shouldn't we at least fix the situation before kicking the 1st round pick to the curb? That's my point. This offense isn't just bad, it's laughing stock around the league. Every week more and more analysts that get paid to look at this stuff, many former players are calling out the organization for letting it go on so long. We, as know nothing random fans (no offense to those of you that think you are more than that) can easily call out the plays at about what, a 75% or better clip? Imagine what the defense is doing. This is like the Cheatriots only even better for the defense and legal. Not sure how many guys we have to see this year that are excelling in other organizations after this coaching staff deemed them castoffs or not worth big contracts to realize the guys calling the shots are fucking the team up. Hopefully at least the new front office is waking up to it and fixing what they can. The coaching staff just has to go. One down...

[RemoAZ]

I've never watched this. It's pretty informative. He shows where it's not all Canada or Pickett but watch how little the middle of the field is used. I know we all see that but this guy really lays it out well.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=erCmgYe ... =TheRinger
Why the Steelers Fired Matt Canada | The Play Sheet

[955876]

And shouldn't we at least fix the situation before kicking the 1st round pick to the curb? That's my point.

Oh I agree. I’m not ready to kick him to the curb yet either. We need to salvage this.

But I’m also more and more skeptical with each passing game where he continues to do less then just about every other starting QB.

[Steelperch]

True. But KC acts as if Purdy is ONLY successful because of everything around him and that PR Pickett is bad just because of the poor coaching and supporting cast around him.

Now I have no doubt that KP could do better if he was in a better situation but that isn't a guarantee.

And in the case of Purdy, you don't LEAD THE LEAGUE IN EVERY METRIC solely because of your surroundings.

He still has to make the reads, stand in the pocket, and deliver strikes.

KC leaves out the part about Pickett having to make the reads and deliver accurate passes. No guarantee that he'd do so.

We've had wide open receivers that he doesn't get the ball to and when he tries throws a bad pass.

It is just as likely Shannahan would kick Pickett to the curb like he did Lance as it is that Pickett would go from league worst to league first if he replaced Purdy.

Wish this wasn't the case because given the Steelers tripping over themselves to "not let another Pitt QB get by them".

If Trey Lance was putting up the stats that Purdy is, the league would have him on top of the MVP debate and all the talk shows would be asking if he was better than Mahomes right now. Purdy is a nobody from nowhere, he’ll have to blow the competition away to get any credit. He doesn’t have a brand yet.

[bradshaw2ben]

Now I have no doubt that KP could do better if he was in a better situation but that isn't a guarantee.

And shouldn't we at least fix the situation before kicking the 1st round pick to the curb? That's my point. This offense isn't just bad, it's laughing stock around the league. Every week more and more analysts that get paid to look at this stuff, many former players are calling out the organization for letting it go on so long. We, as know nothing random fans (no offense to those of you that think you are more than that) can easily call out the plays at about what, a 75% or better clip? Imagine what the defense is doing. This is like the Cheatriots only even better for the defense and legal. Not sure how many guys we have to see this year that are excelling in other organizations after this coaching staff deemed them castoffs or not worth big contracts to realize the guys calling the shots are fucking the team up. Hopefully at least the new front office is waking up to it and fixing what they can. The coaching staff just has to go. One down...

If he isn’t capable of being a superior QB—like top 10 on the NFL—then you should keep drafting and not stick with him much longer. The possibility he *might* be a serviceable player is meaningless in the context of trying to find a QB who can be a threat every year to make a deep run.

[langer]

One thing working against Kenny is time.

Can he increase his abilities 10% in one game? 50%? 110%?

How long will it take for him to get better, even a little bit better.

You throw a guy in the deep end and see how he fares. So far, not good with him. Granted, not many could. He's been especially erratic.

I'm hoping he has a good game Sunday. Going from one clown in your ear to two, or three, that's gotta be a bit of a change. Did he practice today?

[RemoAZ]

Now I have no doubt that KP could do better if he was in a better situation but that isn't a guarantee.

And shouldn't we at least fix the situation before kicking the 1st round pick to the curb? That's my point. This offense isn't just bad, it's laughing stock around the league. Every week more and more analysts that get paid to look at this stuff, many former players are calling out the organization for letting it go on so long. We, as know nothing random fans (no offense to those of you that think you are more than that) can easily call out the plays at about what, a 75% or better clip? Imagine what the defense is doing. This is like the Cheatriots only even better for the defense and legal. Not sure how many guys we have to see this year that are excelling in other organizations after this coaching staff deemed them castoffs or not worth big contracts to realize the guys calling the shots are fucking the team up. Hopefully at least the new front office is waking up to it and fixing what they can. The coaching staff just has to go. One down...

If he isn’t capable of being a superior QB—like top 10 on the NFL—then you should keep drafting and not stick with him much longer. The possibility he *might* be a serviceable player is meaningless in the context of trying to find a QB who can be a threat every year to make a deep run.

I agree. Problem is they've never tanked to the point where they've had a top 5 pick and the guys they've drafted in later rounds have sucked. Part of that is imo they have drafted guys without NFL arms. If they do take another one, I'd rather they took one with at least some physical upside in strength, size and arm. Sure there are guys with limitations that have made it but they are few and far between especially in today's NFL. And if they aren't going to make wholesale coaching changes, EVERYBODY that has excelled with this group has had to do it with great individual talent. Nobody with marginal talent is being coached up by this staff.

[RemoAZ]

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[CKSteeler]

The Purdy argument is funny. It's going to look utterly ridiculous 3 years from now when Purdy is still playing at a high level and Pickett is off the Steelers roster.

I've done the number crunching on Purdy's impact on the 49ers. He's not just playing well for a 7th round rookie. He's not just not screwing things up. He was given the keys to a Ferrari and he's driving it like a...Ferrari. The QB's who preceded him were not doing that.

He makes that offense better than what at least 80% of the QB's in the league would.

[bradshaw2ben]

And shouldn't we at least fix the situation before kicking the 1st round pick to the curb? That's my point. This offense isn't just bad, it's laughing stock around the league. Every week more and more analysts that get paid to look at this stuff, many former players are calling out the organization for letting it go on so long. We, as know nothing random fans (no offense to those of you that think you are more than that) can easily call out the plays at about what, a 75% or better clip? Imagine what the defense is doing. This is like the Cheatriots only even better for the defense and legal. Not sure how many guys we have to see this year that are excelling in other organizations after this coaching staff deemed them castoffs or not worth big contracts to realize the guys calling the shots are fucking the team up. Hopefully at least the new front office is waking up to it and fixing what they can. The coaching staff just has to go. One down...

If he isn’t capable of being a superior QB—like top 10 on the NFL—then you should keep drafting and not stick with him much longer. The possibility he *might* be a serviceable player is meaningless in the context of trying to find a QB who can be a threat every year to make a deep run.

I agree. Problem is they've never tanked to the point where they've had a top 5 pick and the guys they've drafted in later rounds have sucked. Part of that is imo they have drafted guys without NFL arms. If they do take another one, I'd rather they took one with at least some physical upside in strength, size and arm. Sure there are guys with limitations that have made it but they are few and far between especially in today's NFL. And if they aren't going to make wholesale coaching changes, EVERYBODY that has excelled with this group has had to do it with great individual talent. Nobody with marginal talent is being coached up by this staff.

I think they should bring in 3 new QBs next year (assuming they keep Kenny), Draft one, sign a rookie UDFA, sign a street FA who is young and has physical upside. Screw the nonsense about not threatening Kenny. Throw as many chances at the problem as you can.

[K_C_]

The Purdy argument is funny. It's going to look utterly ridiculous 3 years from now when Purdy is still playing at a high level and Pickett is off the Steelers roster.

I've done the number crunching on Purdy's impact on the 49ers. He's not just playing well for a 7th round rookie. He's not just not screwing things up. He was given the keys to a Ferrari and he's driving it like a...Ferrari. The QB's who preceded him were not doing that.

He makes that offense better than what at least 80% of the QB's in the league would.

Jimmy G took helped take that Ferrari to a Super Bowl. If he takes a pussy hair of force off a deep ball, they likely win that Super Bowl.

Helped get the Niners to the NFC Championship game too, after that Super Bowl loss.

Nobody's denying Purdy is playing excellent football on a team with no weaknesses (a better 49ers team than Jimmy G ever had) but until he gets to the Niners to a Super Bowl, the whole "driving the Ferrari" argument is laughable.

Do I think Purdy will get the Niners to the Super Bowl? It's very possible but Brock did not handle Cleveland's pass rush well at all and the Eagles broke his wing in the playoffs last year.

We'll see what happens, but this is, again, easily a significantly better 49ers team than the one Jimmy G helped take to a Super Bowl.

[Mick]

The Purdy argument is funny. It's going to look utterly ridiculous 3 years from now when Purdy is still playing at a high level and Pickett is off the Steelers roster.

I've done the number crunching on Purdy's impact on the 49ers. He's not just playing well for a 7th round rookie. He's not just not screwing things up. He was given the keys to a Ferrari and he's driving it like a...Ferrari. The QB's who preceded him were not doing that.

He makes that offense better than what at least 80% of the QB's in the league would.

would you acknowledge that it’s probably not a coincidence that the top 3 QBs in the NFL this season by YPA are currently coached by (1) the 49ers 2021 offensive coordinator (2) the 49ers 2022 offensive coordinator and (3) the 49ers 2023 offensive coordinator?

Edit: Garoppolo’s 2021 season would currently be 2nd in the NFL. Nick Mullens’ 16 games starting for SF, if the 16 games had happened in one season, would currently be 5th or 6th in the NFL. The last time Shanahan had a QB we can confidently say was an above average player without Shanahan was Matt Ryan in 2016.

[zeke5123]

The Purdy argument is funny. It's going to look utterly ridiculous 3 years from now when Purdy is still playing at a high level and Pickett is off the Steelers roster.

I've done the number crunching on Purdy's impact on the 49ers. He's not just playing well for a 7th round rookie. He's not just not screwing things up. He was given the keys to a Ferrari and he's driving it like a...Ferrari. The QB's who preceded him were not doing that.

He makes that offense better than what at least 80% of the QB's in the league would.

would you acknowledge that it’s probably not a coincidence that the top 3 QBs in the NFL this season by YPA are currently coached by (1) the 49ers 2021 offensive coordinator (2) the 49ers 2022 offensive coordinator and (3) the 49ers 2023 offensive coordinator?

Edit: Garoppolo’s 2021 season would currently be 2nd in the NFL. Nick Mullens’ 16 games starting for SF, if the 16 games had happened in one season, would currently be 5th or 6th in the NFL. The last time Shanahan had a QB we can confidently say was an above average player without Shanahan was Matt Ryan in 2016.

What I find silly about this argument is you are suggesting NFL teams are leaving ten million dollar bills on the ground. Forget paying QBs top money. Just allocate 30% of what you pay to top QBs and bring in the best OC. Will be lights out for a fraction of the cost!

And maybe. We’ve seen teams find arbitrages before. But it is a pretty extraordinary claim. To me, coaching and talent matter. Purdy seems to have talent. Don’t know why we are knocking it.

[Mick]

Every team should just hire the best OC the same way every team should just sign Patrick Mahomes. Yes, it would help if they could. No, they can’t. Coaches are all under long term contracts. By the time you can actually be confident someone is good, they won’t be available to hire.

But there are options sometimes. If i was an owner, this offseason i would offer to make Slowik the highest paid head coach in league history.

[955876]

would you acknowledge that it’s probably not a coincidence that the top 3 QBs in the NFL this season by YPA are currently coached by (1) the 49ers 2021 offensive coordinator (2) the 49ers 2022 offensive coordinator and (3) the 49ers 2023 offensive coordinator?

The guy we end up hiring will have none of that offensive scheme in his background.

[955876]

Purdy seems to have talent. Don’t know why we are knocking it.

Because some here proclaimed how great KP was going to be this year and that he was going to take a giant shit on his doubters.

Those folks are looking like fools right about now so their only saving face is to pretend it’s all scheme and coaches and that what Mr. Irrelevant is doing isn’t special. Sure he has tremendous things going for him in that offense but he still has to make the reads, process the info, and deliver strikes which he is doing time and time again.

The all-22 has (unfortunately) shown that KP plays scared so while his numbers would be better if magically on the 49ers, I doubt they are anywhere close to leading the league across the board like Purdy is.

Maybe it’ll get better. But as big an issue as Canada is KP is a real close second.