Ben and AB......and a great home opener

[Legacy User]

AB comes up short often against good teams when it matters

He puts up big stats in garbage time and against bad teams

I have hope he will get better

He has room to improve if the Steelers dont break him with 175 plus targets so the fans can crow about how many receptions he has

You can argue all you want. The games that matter in the nfl are jan through feb.


AB is a nice piece.....The idea that he is some kinda elite generational player has yet to be seen.....Big time players make big time plays in big time games....

The only guys on the Steelers right now who know anything about that are Ben Deebo Gay and Heath

Well Brown is the last guy I would blame for steelers not playing in January. Only the practice squad guys get off Scott free.

Seriously weird argument to try to float.

[Legacy User]

http://www.steelers.com/videos/videos/H ... 065b97f7e2

good game.....how many others does AB have like that against teams with a winning record?

He been in the league 5 years.....80 games.....I know its less than 9....5 would surprise me

[Legacy User]

Oh I get it now. Trent Dilfer and Brad Johnson were better QB's than Dan Marino.....it's all cleared up now.

Clutch is everything. Chris Matthews 4 catches, 109 yards and a TD in the highest-pressure game possible after spending all year on the practice squad. That's clutcher than anything Antonio Brown has ever done.

[Legacy User]

Oh I get it now. Trent Dilfer and Brad Johnson were better QB's than Dan Marino.....it's all cleared up now.

Clutch is everything. Chris Matthews 4 catches, 109 yards and a TD in the highest-pressure game possible after spending all year on the practice squad. That's clutcher than anything Antonio Brown has ever done.

You are a rooney cyber shill

You poorly attempt to obfuscate that which doesnt line up with your agenda

Yet again....for the millionth time.....I have never been proven wrong here

The facts show AB to be a player that shrinks consistently when the going gets tough.....I hope he improves.....Plenty of room to get better

[Legacy User]

Oh I get it now. Trent Dilfer and Brad Johnson were better QB's than Dan Marino.....it's all cleared up now.

Clutch is everything. Chris Matthews 4 catches, 109 yards and a TD in the highest-pressure game possible after spending all year on the practice squad. That's clutcher than anything Antonio Brown has ever done.

You are a rooney cyber shill

You poorly attempt to obfuscate that which doesnt line up with your agenda

Yet again....for the millionth time.....I have never been proven wrong here

The facts show AB to be a player that shrinks consistently when the going gets tough.....I hope he improves.....Plenty of room to get better

And the stats show Chris Matthews to be a player who shines brightest under pressure. Four catches for 109 yards and a touchdown in the Super Bowl after spending the whole year on the practice squad? He has to be in the discussion for clutchest receiver of all time, and since clutch is everything, the best WR ever.

[Donnie Brasco]

Don't forget David Tyree!

[Legacy User]

Go ahead and post ABs 10 best games.....i will wait

[Legacy User]

And the stats show Chris Matthews to be a player who shines brightest under pressure. Four catches for 109 yards and a touchdown in the Super Bowl after spending the whole year on the practice squad? He has to be in the discussion for clutchest receiver of all time, and since clutch is everything, the best WR ever.

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[StillerInCT]

Go ahead and post ABs 10 best games.....i will wait

Santonio Holmes had exactly 6 games over 100 yards receiving in a Steelers uniform. Not a single game where he had double digit catches. So how about his best 10 games?

And let me tell you, Santonio was a beast when it mattered in the playoffs:

Jacksonville, 2007: 3 rec for 49 Yards, 1 TD
SD 2008: 2 rec for 25 yards, 0 TD
Baltimore 2008: 2 Rec for 70 yards, 1 TD
Super Bowl 2008: 9 Rec for 131, 2 TDs

Outside of the Super Bowl he was the definition of boom or bust. I'm sure those stat lines strike fear in the hearts of every defensive coordinator.

[swissvale72]

Go ahead and post ABs 10 best games.....i will wait

Santonio Holmes had exactly 6 games over 100 yards receiving in a Steelers uniform. Not a single game where he had double digit catches. So how about his best 10 games?

And let me tell you, Santonio was a beast when it mattered in the playoffs:

Jacksonville, 2007: 3 rec for 49 Yards, 1 TD
SD 2008: 2 rec for 25 yards, 0 TD
Baltimore 2008: 2 Rec for 70 yards, 1 TD
Super Bowl 2008: 9 Rec for 131, 2 TDs

Outside of the Super Bowl he was the definition of boom or bust. I'm sure those stat lines strike fear in the hearts of every defensive coordinator.

Okay, guess I'll weigh in now. Fuck these numbers. This is very much like the old Bettis v. FWP arguments. AB is freakin' awesome, no doubt. He's not had the opportunity to do what Santonio did in the Super Bowl. Let's hope that when he does, he steps up big. I wish the fuck he hadn't stepped out of bounds against Miami with nothing but goal line in front of him, but I'll forgive that little transgression (but won't forget it).

Now, let me call bullshit on a couple of things....
*First is Kodiak reminding everyone that Santonio didn't make the TD catch on the play prior to the game-winner. Right!! And Bill Mazeroski hit into a double play on the at-bat prior to his Series-winning walkoff homer. So...I guess Maz sucks too??

*Secondly, CT....you're really going to suggest that Santonio was NOT a fuckin' beast in the '08 playoffs?? Right, two catches vs. SD. Guess you're not going to mention his 60-something yard punt return for a TD to ignite the Steelers in that game. And two catches vs. Baltimore in the AFCCG....but again, a 60-something yard TD scamper across a broken field.

Santonio Holmes was a Raven killer without peer....in '08, he scored against them on a long play in September, he drove a dagger to their hearts in December on another play where there was zero margin for error.

I know the guy was a fuckin' bonehead. I know that AB, right now, is nearly fuckin' perfect. Santonio had his biggest moments when the lights were brightest. Let's hope that AB does as well.

As a Steeler fan, I'll be forever indebted to Santonio Holmes. And so the fuck are the rest of you....whether you know it or not.

[randomsteelerfan]

Clutch is all that matters

I rate Bradshaw and Layne MUCH higher than most.....they had IT....Ben is in that very small group too.....The 9ers arent going anywhere with a super conservative HC....

AB stat line until garbage time last 5 mins vs NE....6 recpts for 80yds 0 TDs

AB is a great WR.....hes a great piece to the puzzle....he has his flaws

What flaw is this?

In 5 post season games ABs stat line 29 for 277 0 TDs.....avgs 6 for 55 0 TDs The 14 playoff loss 9 for 117 0 TDs.....subtract 30 to 15 garbage time stats its ... 5 for 83 0 TDs

AB lifetime as starter regular season vs ravens... 3 wins 5 losses....in 12 and 13 a single TD wouldve been the difference in both games....notable due the fact AB has exactly 1TD vs the rats in 8 games

ABs stat line vs rats 41 fo 524 1 TD.....avg 5 for 66 0 TD

I would bet his bengals line is similar .....as would be his line against playoff teams

Many Steeler fans get completely smitten with their own and raise high holy hell with anyone who attempts to look at facts rather than bs hype

This has contributed to ALOT of bad extensions...contracts etc over the years

AB is great....hes a nice puzzle piece.....he has flaws

3 of the 5 playoff games occurred during his rookie year, 2012 was an abortion and I honestly don't remember his performance last year.

I don't mind your argument of being careful with who is anointed all mighty, but your way off base with AB. The guy is unreal.

3rd and 19 AFCDG 2011 I knew at that moment AB was special. I just had no idea how special.

[Kodiak]

*First is Kodiak reminding everyone that Santonio didn't make the TD catch on the play prior to the game-winner. Right!! And Bill Mazeroski hit into a double play on the at-bat prior to his Series-winning walkoff homer. So...I guess Maz sucks too??

So if Stonedtonio never gets a second chance "to be great", are you still arguing he's clutch? Or are you maybe arguing he was a choke artist, a goat, for literally dropping Ring #6?

[swissvale72]

*First is Kodiak reminding everyone that Santonio didn't make the TD catch on the play prior to the game-winner. Right!! And Bill Mazeroski hit into a double play on the at-bat prior to his Series-winning walkoff homer. So...I guess Maz sucks too??

So if Stonedtonio never gets a second chance "to be great", are you still arguing he's clutch? Or are you maybe arguing he was a choke artist, a goat, for literally dropping Ring #6?

I'm suggesting that you're putting forth a bullshit argument. Guy makes arguably the greatest, most meaningful catch in Super Bowl history, and you want to diminish it based on the previous play??

Yup....Santonio Holmes & Bill Mazeroski....two of Pittsburgh's all-time slouches per Kodiakan Theory.

[Legacy User]

*First is Kodiak reminding everyone that Santonio didn't make the TD catch on the play prior to the game-winner. Right!! And Bill Mazeroski hit into a double play on the at-bat prior to his Series-winning walkoff homer. So...I guess Maz sucks too??

So if Stonedtonio never gets a second chance "to be great", are you still arguing he's clutch? Or are you maybe arguing he was a choke artist, a goat, for literally dropping Ring #6?

I'm suggesting that you're putting forth a bullshit argument. Guy makes arguably the greatest, most meaningful catch in Super Bowl history, and you want to diminish it based on the previous play??

Yup....Santonio Holmes & Bill Mazeroski....two of Pittsburgh's all-time slouches per Kodiakan Theory.

Mazeroski is really irrelevant to the conversation and an incredibly weak analogy.

[swissvale72]

The height of irrelevancy is that Santonio didn't make the catch on the play prior to the game-winner.

[Kodiak]

I'm suggesting that you're putting forth a bullshit argument. Guy makes arguably the greatest, most meaningful catch in Super Bowl history, and you want to diminish it based on the previous play??
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It's not bullshit. How many "goats" didn't get a second chance? I'm just pointing out that needing two cracks at it is kind of not what it means to be clutch.

It was a fantastic catch. But we do see guys making similar plays every week. The difference is a truly clutch player DOESN'T drop a winning TD. You can't argue about how clutch Holmes was while ignoring such a glaring example of the opposite.

You do realize citing the previous play takes nothing away from the TD catch? What you fail to grasp is the previous play DOES weaken the argument that Holmes was super-clutch. They're different arguments.

[Kodiak]

The height of irrelevancy is that Santonio didn't make the catch on the play prior to the game-winner.

No it's not. Quite the opposite. You don't appear to even understand what the argument is about.

[Legacy User]

You have to be an absolute moron if you can't see AB is playing on a whole other level from what Holmes ever did. Holmes had moments. AB does the impossible once a game. Holmes was never as dominant as AB. It's obvious.

[swissvale72]

You have to be an absolute moron if you can't see AB is playing on a whole other level from what Holmes ever did. Holmes had moments. AB does the impossible once a game. Holmes was never as dominant as AB. It's obvious.

You related to Cody, Lit?

Now...sure, week in, week out, AB is untouchable by comparison with Antonio.

But...take your description...does the impossible. For Santonio Holmes, that happened with 35 tics left on the Super Bowl clock, won the fuckin' Super Bowl. "That's How You Be Great!!"

[Legacy User]

You have to be an absolute moron if you can't see AB is playing on a whole other level from what Holmes ever did. Holmes had moments. AB does the impossible once a game. Holmes was never as dominant as AB. It's obvious.

You related to Cody, Lit?

Now...sure, week in, week out, AB is untouchable by comparison with Antonio.

But...take your description...does the impossible. For Santonio Holmes, that happened with 35 tics left on the Super Bowl clock, won the fuckin' Super Bowl. "That's How You Be Great!!"

Yeah, one game. Good argument. The moment was as huge as football gets. What was at stake was huge. But one huge moment does not make Holmes more skilled, better. Your gratitude notwithstanding. If you wish to cross the borders of the rational into itrational, spur your horse, by all means. I won't be following you just because you feel personal gratitude to Holmes.

[swissvale72]

You have to be an absolute moron if you can't see AB is playing on a whole other level from what Holmes ever did. Holmes had moments. AB does the impossible once a game. Holmes was never as dominant as AB. It's obvious.

You related to Cody, Lit?

Now...sure, week in, week out, AB is untouchable by comparison with Antonio.

But...take your description...does the impossible. For Santonio Holmes, that happened with 35 tics left on the Super Bowl clock, won the fuckin' Super Bowl. "That's How You Be Great!!"

Yeah, one game. Good argument. The moment was as huge as football gets. What was at stake was huge. But one huge moment does not make Holmes more skilled, better. Your gratitude notwithstanding. If you wish to cross the borders of the rational into itrational, spur your horse, by all means. I won't be following you just because you feel personal gratitude to Holmes.

I missed where I suggested the bolded, Lit. In fact, check the 2nd line of my previous post (bolded above...fuckin auto-correct...Antonio)

[V DUB]

My opinion is it's a GD silly argument. Why cant Steeler fans just enjoy great play without comparing & contrasting it to other players?

[Jobu]

My opinion is it's a GD silly argument. Why cant Steeler fans just enjoy great play without comparing & contrasting it to other players?

[randomsteelerfan]

The height of irrelevancy is that Santonio didn't make the catch on the play prior to the game-winner.

No it's not. Quite the opposite. You don't appear to even understand what the argument is about.

I'm with Kodiak, here. Whiffing the first one does diminishes the "clutchness" of the winning play, not the actual greatness of it

[Legacy User]

Malcolm Butler? Best corner in NFL history. Doesn't get any clutcher than picking off Russell Wilson at the goalline when all hope was lost.

[swissvale72]

Malcolm Butler? Best corner in NFL history. Doesn't get any clutcher than picking off Russell Wilson at the goalline when all hope was lost.

Dont think it was stated that holmes is best receiver in nfl history

[jeemie]

David Tyree- clutch mother fucker.

Let's sign him instead of Brown.

[swissvale72]

Jeems.... I know you were engrossed in high level intellectual conversation during sb xliii and msybe you missed the rest of that years playoff run whilst twirling the baton for the blue band. Cuz you obviously missed it though, holmes coming up huge in the biggest of spots wasnt limited to one play in one game. He was a fuckin beast down the stretch in 08 and thtoughout the playoffs. No ones saying holmes is the best ever but rather that hd accomplished some thongs in bringing home the lombardi trophy that weve not yet seen from ab...certainly hoping we will .

[jeemie]

Jeems.... I know you were engrossed in high level intellectual conversation during sb xliii and msybe you missed the rest of that years playoff run whilst twirling the baton for the blue band. Cuz you obviously missed it though, holmes coming up huge in the biggest of spots wasnt limited to one play in one game. He was a fuckin beast down the stretch in 08 and thtoughout the playoffs. No ones saying holmes is the best ever but rather that hd accomplished some thongs in bringing home the lombardi trophy that weve not yet seen from ab...certainly hoping we will .

He didn't have the same opportunity yet.

Different team...different OC...different game time philosophy.

[V DUB]

David Tyree- clutch mother fucker.

Let's sign him instead of Brown.

You're being an antagonist at this point, on purpose.

Swiss has a point, but I give credit more to Ben for the throw. Our QB has made millions for every reciever he's made into a star. Credit where its due.