Steelers trade for Josh Scobee....

[Scunge]

All of this griping over a 7th round pick? Yes, Kelvin Beachum was a 7th round pick, but, quick can you name the other three 7th round picks of 2012? Thats right, we had four 7th round picks that year. Those other players were WR Toney Clemons, TE David Paulson and CB Terrance Frederick.

Yes, Keisel was a 7th round pick in 2002 but who was the other 7th round pick that year? CB LaVar Glover.

So, yes, it is possible for the Steelers to find a gem in the 7th round but it is much more likely to find turds like Clemons, Paulson, Frederick, Glover, Nick Williams, Blanchflower, Doug Worthington, Eric Taylor, Dallas Baker, Baron Batch, Cedric Humes, Noah Herron, David Johnson, Shaun Nua, A Q Shipley, Chris Taylor, JT Wall and Gerod Holliman.


Hmmm. I am probably missing some 7th rounders here and there, but Colbert struck gold with Beachum and Keisel, 2 picks out of 20. So, I am supposed to give a shit that Colbert/Tomlin traded a 7th rounder for an established veteran kicker when the failure rate for those 7th rounders is about 90%.

Really?

[Legacy User]

Has it been confirmed that's its a 7th rnder yet or are we just speculating/hoping??

hoping....my guess?.... 6th in next and and 4th in 2017 ....lets just go full on George Allen

[jeemie]

I think people are taking out their frustration about the suspensions, injuries and defense out on this kicker move. Some are you guys are WAY too worked up over this.

The suspensions, etc have nothing to do with this.

There was a market for kickers opening up in five friggin' days- I don't care if the cost was a Steelers' towel boy- you DON'T CHASE A MARKET.

The scale of the transaction does not matter.

If an investment analyst fucks up an analysis for you on a $10,000 investment, are you likely to trust him to make a $10,000,000 investment analysis for you?

This was DUMB.

[steelclan]

All of this griping over a 7th round pick? Yes, Kelvin Beachum was a 7th round pick, but, quick can you name the other three 7th round picks of 2012? Thats right, we had four 7th round picks that year. Those other players were WR Toney Clemons, TE David Paulson and CB Terrance Frederick.

Yes, Keisel was a 7th round pick in 2002 but who was the other 7th round pick that year? CB LaVar Glover.

So, yes, it is possible for the Steelers to find a gem in the 7th round but it is much more likely to find turds like Clemons, Paulson, Frederick, Glover, Nick Williams, Blanchflower, Doug Worthington, Eric Taylor, Dallas Baker, Baron Batch, Cedric Humes, Noah Herron, David Johnson, Shaun Nua, A Q Shipley, Chris Taylor, JT Wall and Gerod Holliman.


Hmmm. I am probably missing some 7th rounders here and there, but Colbert struck gold with Beachum and Keisel, 2 picks out of 20. So, I am supposed to give a shit that Colbert/Tomlin traded a 7th rounder for an established veteran kicker when the failure rate for those 7th rounders is about 90%.

Really?

It isn't just the draft pick. The money is far more galling. This team has major weaknesses that 6 million could go a long way to cure.

[Stosh-67]

David Todd ‏@DavidMTodd · 13m13 minutes ago
Past 3 years:

Scobee: Inside 50: 60-66, 90.9 %. 50+ 8-13, 61.5%

Sushi: Inside 50: 85-89, 95.5%, 50+ 2-6, 33.3%

Thanks Greek...........
Todd referencing stats for last three years.......

[Legacy User]

I'm wondering if I can find some posts I agree with so I can just quote and post them not adding anything of my own.

[Legacy User]

David Todd ‏@DavidMTodd · 13m13 minutes ago
Past 3 years:

Scobee: Inside 50: 60-66, 90.9 %. 50+ 8-13, 61.5%

Sushi: Inside 50: 85-89, 95.5%, 50+ 2-6, 33.3%

Thanks Greek...........
Todd referencing stats for last three years.......

No worries Stosh, just thought you'd be interested. I personally would have also waited for the cuts and saved the draft pick and cap space as well. Panic move. Hopefully its just a 7th rnder at this point.

[Legacy User]

It isn't just the draft pick. The money is far more galling. This team has major weaknesses that 6 million could go a long way to cure.

6 million being for all 3 kickers right? Well we have to pay someone to kick. I think using the 6 figure is inflating it a bit, right?

[Legacy User]

All of this griping over a 7th round pick? Yes, Kelvin Beachum was a 7th round pick, but, quick can you name the other three 7th round picks of 2012? Thats right, we had four 7th round picks that year. Those other players were WR Toney Clemons, TE David Paulson and CB Terrance Frederick.

Yes, Keisel was a 7th round pick in 2002 but who was the other 7th round pick that year? CB LaVar Glover.

So, yes, it is possible for the Steelers to find a gem in the 7th round but it is much more likely to find turds like Clemons, Paulson, Frederick, Glover, Nick Williams, Blanchflower, Doug Worthington, Eric Taylor, Dallas Baker, Baron Batch, Cedric Humes, Noah Herron, David Johnson, Shaun Nua, A Q Shipley, Chris Taylor, JT Wall and Gerod Holliman.


Hmmm. I am probably missing some 7th rounders here and there, but Colbert struck gold with Beachum and Keisel, 2 picks out of 20. So, I am supposed to give a shit that Colbert/Tomlin traded a 7th rounder for an established veteran kicker when the failure rate for those 7th rounders is about 90%.

Really?

The problem is though.....outside of Baker Herron Johnson and Holliman.....every single one of those 7ths was either an insta cut due to way too much talent infront of them ...or zero upside.....

Scobee is a washed up rental kicker.....truthfully...i wouldve just picked whoever and went next man up from the udfa pile if they didnt cut it .....

[Legacy User]

Fuck that we weren't guaranteed to get Scobee if he hits FA. Now we got a legit veteran kicker with a huge leg. I'm good Fuck the money and a 7th.

[Scunge]

I love when people post The Sham's high percentage of kicks made inside the 50 being at 90%.

Where was the Sham and that high accuracy when we lost 6 close games the past 3 years and he missed chip shot field goals? Nobody remembers that 23 yard miss against Cincy?

We lost another close game where he missed another from that 20-29 yard range. We lost 2 other close games because the Sham could not make FGs in the 30-39 range.

I love Scobee's 50+ yard percentage and the kickoffs and touchbacks, that is worth a 7th rounder.

It is easy to say this and that about being able to sign a player after he is cut. We just don't know that for certain. Perhaps other teams were in talks of trading for Scobee, it also wouldn't be the first time to see a player end up making more money as teams are bidding for his services. The Steelers may have ended up paying nearly the same amount. I like the move, you can't go into the season rummaging thought the dumpster looking for a player that may be able to handle the job.

[Stosh-67]

No worries Stosh, just thought you'd be interested. I personally would have also waited for the cuts and saved the draft pick and cap space as well. Panic move. Hopefully its just a 7th rnder at this point.

Thanks Greek....
Susishy has certainly hit a real high percentage of his kicks the last three years................but the shanks are the bad ones
the lack of leg and 50+ range certainly hurt the PS in that 3rd and medium to long down and distance.........that was with-in a 50+ type FG kicker.

When I saw some stories the last two days.......one was on the Jax kicking battle....that included Scobee and his salary........
when I saw his $3.4+ number................i put the odds of the PS making that unlike PS move at less than 5%
the move certainly surprised me...........knowing how SteelerVHits is their financial adviser....and recommends they spend as little as possible.......LOL.

[bradshaw2ben]

I don't have a huge issue with the draft pick. If you rent him for one year, then you'll get a comp pick for him-- at least a 7th.

The money and the choice to eat that contract AND give up a pick... at first cuts? Crazy.

The choice to make that investment in the small difference of a kicker upgrade vs Safety, IOL, RB, DL = priceless

[Legacy User]

I don't have a huge issue with the draft pick. If you rent him for one year, then you'll get a comp pick for him-- at least a 7th.

The money and the choice to eat that contract AND give up a pick... at first cuts? Crazy.

The choice to make that investment in the small difference of a kicker upgrade vs Safety, IOL, RB, DL = priceless

[Kodiak]

Sigh....$5.2 M for a kicker AND it cost us a draft pick.

I made this point after they signed him - they made Suisham a top-8 paid kicker because he MIGHT make 1-2 more kicks inside 45 than 15-20 other guys while ignoring most of those make 1-2 more kicks outside of 50 than he does.

But water under the bridge. We rarely get much out of late round picks that aren't a receiver. As for the salary, more cap leak but if you're hoping to make a playoff run you almost can't put a price on losing a game because of a makeable kick. I'm not sure that trading/paying a vet is going to guarantee anything other than you have an NFL kicker.

The reality is, there are maybe only 6-8 or so good kickers in the NFL (Suisham wouldn't make that cut, Scobee would some years). The next 15-20 are pretty interchangeable, and tend to rise with an above average conversion rate over a few years (like Suisham) and fall with mean reversion or a few bad years (like Jeff Reed).

[jeemie]

Nice sig line, B2B...the words were barely out of my mouth (figuratively speaking), weren't they?

[jeemie]

Sigh....$5.2 M for a kicker AND it cost us a draft pick.

I made this point after they signed him - they made Suisham a top-8 paid kicker because he MIGHT make 1-2 more kicks inside 45 than 15-20 other guys while ignoring most of those make 1-2 more kicks outside of 50 than he does.

As somebody else said, Tomlin's "Stupid Gut Feel Zone" probably expanded by 10 yards because he has now made the tradeoff for a kicker than can nail them from 50+...I expect even more conservative play, especially late in games...as the Steelers cross midfield.

[Thrillsseeker]

The thing is there are legit kicking battles going on with like 4 teams right now. The market will be flooded with kickers in a few days. The difference between those guys and Scobee is zilch.

Oh.....now we can see what you are saying...lol.

[Kodiak]

....that included Scobee and his salary........
when I saw his $3.4+ number................

But when has PIT ever needed an extra $3M of cap, or had to cut someone to get under the cap?

[Thrillsseeker]

Scoobee is 26 of 42 62% from 50+ in his career......
getting better as he ages too...........
23 of 35 in his last 7 years....65.7%
15 of 21 last 5 years.............71.4%

wonder if Tomlins gut feel stupidty zone has just been extended 5 to 7 yards.

[BethlehemSteel]

And we're off into full season form @ SF

[Kodiak]

The thing is there are legit kicking battles going on with like 4 teams right now. The market will be flooded with kickers in a few days. The difference between those guys and Scobee is zilch.

Right. But this is purely a CYA move by Tombert. If Scobee screws up they can argue they made the move to get the best kicker available, which takes them off the hook to identify the best of the rest - if Scobee misses, then what else could they have done? But if some no-name misses then they get criticized for not getting Scobee.

[StillMadAtSlobber]

fucking horrible move......

Trading a draft pick for a kicker....whos fucking running this team?....It damn sure isnt anyone who followed Chuck Noll.....Its like The Chief is running things again.....fucking dumbest move in a while.....shit like this combined with the fucking stupid Street and Smith approach to drafting has this team going in a real bad direction....

Trading for a MOTHERFUCKING KICKER the day before the FIRST GODDAMN CUT DOWN DAY????.....dumb.....even for rooney and colbert

I cant believe Tomlin puts up with this....hes losing me too just because hes ceded too much power to Darth Rooney and Lord Colbert

Well, its not like the probability is they would do anything better with the pick ...

[Legacy User]

fucking horrible move......

Trading a draft pick for a kicker....whos fucking running this team?....It damn sure isnt anyone who followed Chuck Noll.....Its like The Chief is running things again.....fucking dumbest move in a while.....shit like this combined with the fucking stupid Street and Smith approach to drafting has this team going in a real bad direction....

Trading for a MOTHERFUCKING KICKER the day before the FIRST GODDAMN CUT DOWN DAY????.....dumb.....even for rooney and colbert

I cant believe Tomlin puts up with this....hes losing me too just because hes ceded too much power to Darth Rooney and Lord Colbert

yeah, Tomlin would had drafted Mosley, right? Poor Mikey. smh at the troll post

[Legacy User]

What's funny is, if we were to lose a game by a missed field goal, you guys would be flipping shit because Colbert/Tomlin didn't make an aggressive move for a decent kicker.

7th rounder? Big shit.

And who's to say we can't re-work his deal?

[Orangesteel]

I think the gripes from a financial standpoint are valid, but please save the argument regarding picking talent in the 7th round. Our defense is a dumpster fire and none of the picks on the defensive side of the ball in the first through sixth rounds have showed promise that they know what they are doing.

[Legacy User]

I think people are taking out their frustration about the suspensions, injuries and defense out on this kicker move. Some are you guys are WAY too worked up over this.

The suspensions, etc have nothing to do with this.

There was a market for kickers opening up in five friggin' days- I don't care if the cost was a Steelers' towel boy- you DON'T CHASE A MARKET.

The scale of the transaction does not matter.

If an investment analyst fucks up an analysis for you on a $10,000 investment, are you likely to trust him to make a $10,000,000 investment analysis for you?

This was DUMB.

You in particular are using this Scobee trade to take out your frustration about getting owned by steel for not admiting the McClouth for Morton and Locke deal was one of the greatest ever

[JackLambert58]

fucking horrible move......

Trading a draft pick for a kicker....whos fucking running this team?....It damn sure isnt anyone who followed Chuck Noll.....Its like The Chief is running things again.....fucking dumbest move in a while.....shit like this combined with the fucking stupid Street and Smith approach to drafting has this team going in a real bad direction....

Trading for a MOTHERFUCKING KICKER the day before the FIRST GODDAMN CUT DOWN DAY????.....dumb.....even for rooney and colbert

I cant believe Tomlin puts up with this....hes losing me too just because hes ceded too much power to Darth Rooney and Lord Colbert

Tomlin puts up with it? What makes you think he didn't come up with it?

[Obviously]

fucking horrible move......

Trading a draft pick for a kicker....whos fucking running this team?....It damn sure isnt anyone who followed Chuck Noll.....Its like The Chief is running things again.....fucking dumbest move in a while.....shit like this combined with the fucking stupid Street and Smith approach to drafting has this team going in a real bad direction....

Trading for a MOTHERFUCKING KICKER the day before the FIRST GODDAMN CUT DOWN DAY????.....dumb.....even for rooney and colbert

I cant believe Tomlin puts up with this....hes losing me too just because hes ceded too much power to Darth Rooney and Lord Colbert

STD has the tin hat on again. Subscribing to the potted plant theory again. Take your meds, fool!

[franco32]

Scobee is an 81% FG kicker all time (top 35) and that is factoring in that he tries a TON of long field goals. He doesn't just try 50+ yarders. He's trying 45+ on a regular basis with that shitty Jacksonville offense. Yet, even with all those long range tries, he's still very accurate.

Ever see his ball flight? It is very pure. He kicks the hell out of the ball. Yes, he might have been cut, but if we felt he was the best available, I have no problem spending a 7th on this. Scobee makes this team better right now. More touch backs mean less chances for our special teams to give up that big back breaking TD that we love to give up in crucial games. More hang time on kickoffs mean we might have a fighting chance to stop people inside the 20.

We just increased our FG range by at least 10 yards. That's more margin of error for this offense and that means a ton in close games.

Would I have loved to have Scobee cut and sign here for a cheaper deal? Sure. But, there are a TON of teams out there with SHITTY kickers. They easily could have jettisoned their current kicker and signed Scobee right out from under us.