SBI: Week 17...Curtains?

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Re: SBI: Week 17...Curtains?

Post by Stosh-67 » Mon Dec 28, 2015 8:49 pm

955876 wrote:
I think Ben did more important stuff this week like play Santa to his kids and football wasn't the primary focus. Sad but that's what I think. His stinker was a product of many set up failings.


My thinking as well. And not just Ben, the entire team and coaches had a poor week of prep.

Bigger picture is that this team lacks a championship mentality. Look no further than how we play vs. teams with the poorest of records or back-up/scrub QBs who end up with career games against us.

We are a team that plays the underdog role well but wilts as soon as the bright lights have us favored. A true championship caliber team comes out and shows why they are a championship contender in these games. We come out playing small and get dragged into dogfights.

Worst thing that happens to this team is when people start to take notice. That big win over Denver told me one thing, that we were going to sputter in our next two games.

If I had to bet real money I would never wager that Tomlin can coach this team to another SB let alone win one. He pisses away too many games during the year to ever be in position for a bye (huge factor) and even if he gets a bye chances are the team comes out flat.

The AFC has been wide open these past few years and not only are we not a factor, we can't even make the playoffs the playoffs. Buy hey, we are the team nobody wants to play.

I guarantee the smart coaches aren't scared of us. Nor should they be.

spot on.
spot.
on.
I would like to bold some good points.
I would have to bold everything.
Think I mentioned somewhere earlier in the season the same thing you mentioned ..............about not winning another SB under Tomlin.


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Post by StillerInCT » Mon Dec 28, 2015 8:51 pm

Orangesteel wrote:Agreed 955876. Harbaugh certainly doesn't fear us, Tomlin, Ben, etc. In fact, he probably chuckles at the thought.

Ryan Mallett still wearing street clothes comes in and torches us. Jesus Christ almighty. Shall I once again post the quarterbacks that have beaten Mikey T's steelers during his tenure? I'll spare you all.


It'd look similar to that Browns jersey with all the QBs
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Post by Orangesteel » Mon Dec 28, 2015 8:52 pm

StillerInCT wrote:
Orangesteel wrote:Agreed 955876. Harbaugh certainly doesn't fear us, Tomlin, Ben, etc. In fact, he probably chuckles at the thought.

Ryan Mallett still wearing street clothes comes in and torches us. Jesus Christ almighty. Shall I once again post the quarterbacks that have beaten Mikey T's steelers during his tenure? I'll spare you all.


It'd look similar to that Browns jersey with all the QBs


Ha.
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Post by Obviously » Mon Dec 28, 2015 10:41 pm

Jeemie wrote:
Obviously wrote:Lit, you have a choice to keep one - Tomlin or Ben. Who do you keep?


This question is a deflection because no one's asking for Ben to be replaced.

We're arguing over apportioning of blame for THIS GAME.


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Post by Legacy User » Mon Dec 28, 2015 11:12 pm

StillerInCT wrote:
Orangesteel wrote:Agreed 955876. Harbaugh certainly doesn't fear us, Tomlin, Ben, etc. In fact, he probably chuckles at the thought.

Ryan Mallett still wearing street clothes comes in and torches us. Jesus Christ almighty. Shall I once again post the quarterbacks that have beaten Mikey T's steelers during his tenure? I'll spare you all.


It'd look similar to that Browns jersey with all the QBs

Might be the same list.

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Post by BethlehemSteel » Tue Dec 29, 2015 1:42 am

Obviously wrote:
Jeemie wrote:
Obviously wrote:Lit, you have a choice to keep one - Tomlin or Ben. Who do you keep?


This question is a deflection because no one's asking for Ben to be replaced.

We're arguing over apportioning of blame for THIS GAME.


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He knows where that goes :lol:
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Post by jeemie » Tue Dec 29, 2015 2:10 am

When insults and profanities come out, you've lost the argument.
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Post by BethlehemSteel » Tue Dec 29, 2015 2:20 am

Jeemie wrote:When insults and profanities come out, you've lost the argument.

Your incessant abrasive trolling like posting should tell you why you're getting cow pies to the face
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Post by Legacy User » Tue Dec 29, 2015 1:31 pm

I just don't have the energy for this crazy team. You can't convince me we don't really have the talent; we have played some great games, comebacks, etc. but again, we lay an egg against a team that clearly had a greater emotional investment and looked better prepared.

There was no swagger after we went for it and didn't get it. Ravens were pumped, their fan base was in full attendance. I wonder how full Heinz field would be this late in the season with a similar record?

Ben had no confidence. Every time the camera went to him he had the look like something wasn't right.

He is not the only one; too many dropped passes and the defense was giving up runs like a bowling lane.

How do you not, regardless of even our record, be up for this game? The Ravens have beaten us 5 or 6 times now...seriously, WTF. Imagine when they return to being healthy.

Do I hope they win next week and the Jets lose? Yes and No - I always want them to win, but the hurt is likely to be greater the next week. We just good enough not to get the best picks in the draft...just bad enough to watch the playoffs at home. Five years now...Ben is not getting younger, lots of potential issues next year??? Who knows.

In summary - disappointed. Just disappointing season.

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Post by steelmann58 » Tue Dec 29, 2015 2:05 pm

I will reply give Me Ben any time over Tomlin.

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Post by Jobu » Tue Dec 29, 2015 4:54 pm

steelmann58 wrote:I will reply give Me Ben any time over Tomlin.

Give me Bubby any time over Tomlin. :lol:

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Post by steelmann58 » Wed Dec 30, 2015 3:44 am

Ouch but will you go with Kent Graham or Kordell?

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Post by Jobu » Wed Dec 30, 2015 4:47 am

steelmann58 wrote:Ouch but will you go with Kent Graham or Kordell?

:lol: Good question. I actually met Graham once. Seemed like a good guy.
I fucking loathed Kordell Stewart. We talk about Tomlin wasting Ben's good years, well Cowher(who I also hate) wasted a great defense and good team all those years he forced Kordell down our throats. Not too mention their weirdo relationship, and Korky actually breaking down and bawling on the sidelines. Kordell had amazing physical skills. He was the most mentally weak pro athlete I've ever seen. There are junior high kids with more balls than Stewart.

As for Bubby...I loved Bubby, the character. He sucked at quarterbacking, but was fun to watch and listen too.

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Post by tunch » Wed Dec 30, 2015 5:12 am

Kordell had all the makings of the greatest slot receiver to ever wear the uniform.

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Post by Old School Steeler » Wed Dec 30, 2015 12:22 pm

Jobus Rum wrote:
steelmann58 wrote:Ouch but will you go with Kent Graham or Kordell?

:lol: Good question. I actually met Graham once. Seemed like a good guy.
I fucking loathed Kordell Stewart. We talk about Tomlin wasting Ben's good years, well Cowher(who I also hate) wasted a great defense and good team all those years he forced Kordell down our throats. Not too mention their weirdo relationship, and Korky actually breaking down and bawling on the sidelines. Kordell had amazing physical skills. He was the most mentally weak pro athlete I've ever seen. There are junior high kids with more balls than Stewart.

As for Bubby...I loved Bubby, the character. He sucked at quarterbacking, but was fun to watch and listen too.


Bubby was big time party boy, had the sense to be somewhat discreet. Also a chick magnet, saw it first hand night before a big game in Tampa. Have no idea how he and Hinkle made curfew.

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Post by Legacy User » Wed Dec 30, 2015 3:21 pm

Bubby was fun. I liked his attitude a lot. There is a special place in my heart for a number of guys from that '89 team, even if their play was not championship-caliber.

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Post by Stosh-67 » Wed Dec 30, 2015 4:04 pm

tunch wrote:Kordell had all the makings of the greatest slot receiver to ever wear the uniform.

Yup.
At 6'-1" 220..........
With his speed.
Not only dangerous catching the ball, but the options of throwing him a WR Screen - lateral for him to throw it.
Kordell in motion taking the hand-off on jet sweeps.
Break the huddle and he is in shotgun a play here or there....run it or throw it.
End around with the option to chuck it.

Averaged 17 yards a catch, with 4 TDs his first two years in limited snaps.......... including a 70+ yard reception.
Ran it some as well.................had that 80 yard run.......

Just not a very good passer...........55% completion and more career picks than TD's

Maybe he would of been a better QB in todays game of friendlier rules, softer defenses and more wide open offenses for him to operate, take off and run, etc....
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Post by Jobu » Wed Dec 30, 2015 4:49 pm

Stosh-67 wrote:
tunch wrote:Kordell had all the makings of the greatest slot receiver to ever wear the uniform.

Yup.
At 6'-1" 220..........
With his speed.
Not only dangerous catching the ball, but the options of throwing him a WR Screen - lateral for him to throw it.
Kordell in motion taking the hand-off on jet sweeps.
Break the huddle and he is in shotgun a play here or there....run it or throw it.
End around with the option to chuck it.

Averaged 17 yards a catch, with 4 TDs his first two years in limited snaps.......... including a 70+ yard reception.
Ran it some as well.................had that 80 yard run.......

Just not a very good passer...........55% completion and more career picks than TD's

Maybe he would of been a better QB in todays game of friendlier rules, softer defenses and more wide open offenses for him to operate, take off and run, etc....

Kordell would not have been a good QB in any era. Mental pussy and dumber than a sack rocks does not equal good QB. The fact that Mr. Queen V constantly ran him out there under center, shows he was every bit the stupid ass coach as Tomlin.

I always thought Korky could've made an excellent RB He was fast, strong, and never injured.

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Post by Kodiak » Wed Dec 30, 2015 5:54 pm

Jobus Rum wrote:The fact that Mr. Queen V constantly ran him out there under center, shows he was every bit the stupid ass coach as Tomlin.


Not really. Who else could PIT have had at QB those years. Go look it up. Others here have.

Cowher was just doing his best to play the hand he was dealt, and doing it pretty well to get to two AFCC's with Korkie. But he was ready to move on, as early as '99, benching Korkie the same year he signed the big contract. A contract that none other than Dan Rooney celebrated saying Heinz would be "the House that Kordell built".
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Post by Legacy User » Wed Dec 30, 2015 6:33 pm

My recollection is that Kordell had the big year in 97, and then the Steelers gave him the big contract. At that point, everyone thought Kordell was going to be the man for a long time. When it turned out that he wasn't, for the first few years, the Steelers couldn't cut him because of the big salary cap ramifications. I think that extended Kordell's time in the Burgh.

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Post by Kodiak » Wed Dec 30, 2015 7:19 pm

Poltargyst wrote:My recollection is that Kordell had the big year in 97, and then the Steelers gave him the big contract. At that point, everyone thought Kordell was going to be the man for a long time. When it turned out that he wasn't, for the first few years, the Steelers couldn't cut him because of the big salary cap ramifications. I think that extended Kordell's time in the Burgh.


No, he received an extension in '97 extending his rookie deal 2 years and bumping his pay from @ $360k to about $2M per year, but the big money came in '99 when they extended him for 5 years for $27M.
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Post by Jobu » Thu Dec 31, 2015 12:42 am

Kodiak wrote:
Jobus Rum wrote:The fact that Mr. Queen V constantly ran him out there under center, shows he was every bit the stupid ass coach as Tomlin.


Not really. Who else could PIT have had at QB those years. Go look it up. Others here have.

Cowher was just doing his best to play the hand he was dealt, and doing it pretty well to get to two AFCC's with Korkie. But he was ready to move on, as early as '99, benching Korkie the same year he signed the big contract. A contract that none other than Dan Rooney celebrated saying Heinz would be "the House that Kordell built".

He had no one else, because he wanted no one else. And IIRC, it was Cowher who was very vocal in getting the Kordell contract done. He loved the guy.

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Post by Kodiak » Thu Dec 31, 2015 2:49 am

Jobus Rum wrote:He had no one else, because he wanted no one else. And IIRC, it was Cowher who was very vocal in getting the Kordell contract done. He loved the guy.


Sure, that's why he benched the guy (the first time) the same year he signed a huge extension.

Go look up everyone else PIT could have gotten in FA or the draft and get back to me. Not just good (because that would be an exercise in futility), I'll settle for simply better than Kordell. You know, other than Tom Brady, since he was so can't miss NE waited until R6 to take him.
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Post by Jobu » Thu Dec 31, 2015 3:47 am

Kodiak wrote:
Jobus Rum wrote:He had no one else, because he wanted no one else. And IIRC, it was Cowher who was very vocal in getting the Kordell contract done. He loved the guy.


Sure, that's why he benched the guy (the first time) the same year he signed a huge extension.

Go look up everyone else PIT could have gotten in FA or the draft and get back to me. Not just good (because that would be an exercise in futility), I'll settle for simply better than Kordell. You know, other than Tom Brady, since he was so can't miss NE waited until R6 to take him.

Yeah I think I have better things to do than look for the dozens of QBs better than Ole Kordell...although it wouldn't be that hard. All I know is this....Mr Queen V loved him some Korky. Stewart failed time and time again, but Bilbo stuck with him, until he finally saw enough, or maybe someone else saw enough...who knows. How many times did he bench him, only to go back to him the first chance he could?
Regardless, I'm not going to argue over this, kind of pointless really.....right?
It seems like you liked Cowher...I did not. We disagree....that's cool.

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Post by Kodiak » Thu Dec 31, 2015 5:42 am

Jobus Rum wrote:Yeah I think I have better things to do than look for the dozens of QBs better than Ole Kordell...although it wouldn't be that hard.


LMFAO. Ok. Myself and others HAVE looked and it's, AT BEST, a mixed bad of mediocre guys and journeymen.

Dearth of quality QB's at the time, which is probably why EVERY title won between when Cowher came into the league and Ben was led by a HOF QB (except for Dilfer and Brad Johnson, who had historically great defenses).
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Post by Kodiak » Thu Dec 31, 2015 5:44 am

Jobus Rum wrote:How many times did he bench him, only to go back to him the first chance he could?
Regardless, I'm not going to argue over this, kind of pointless really.....right?
It seems like you liked Cowher...I did not. We disagree....that's cool.


That entire post is a whole lot of "I'm wrong but I'll be damned if I'm going to admit it".

Cowher benched Korkie twice, that I remember. Just a few games after his huge extension that Rooney clearly wanted to give him, and a final time in 2002 before switching to Maddox. In between that Korkie led them to his second AFCC and finished 4th in MVP voting.
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Post by Jobu » Thu Dec 31, 2015 5:56 am

Kodiak wrote:
Jobus Rum wrote:How many times did he bench him, only to go back to him the first chance he could?
Regardless, I'm not going to argue over this, kind of pointless really.....right?
It seems like you liked Cowher...I did not. We disagree....that's cool.


That entire post is a whole lot of "I'm wrong but I'll be damned if I'm going to admit it".

Cowher benched Korkie twice, that I remember. Just a few games after his huge extension that Rooney clearly wanted to give him, and a final time in 2002 before switching to Maddox. In between that Korkie led them to his second AFCC and finished 4th in MVP voting.

OK Skippy....it was more than twice, but you win . Have a nice New Year.

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Post by COR-TEN » Thu Dec 31, 2015 9:47 am

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bradshaw2ben wrote:If you want to go all the way with SBI and dream, Swiss...

Cincy over Broncos
Steelers over Browns
Mia over NE
Cincy over Ravens
KC over Raiders
Buf over Jets

we get in and Cincy earns the #1 seed

Probably earns the Patriots a tougher draw and might mean avoiding them until someone else has had a chance to knock them out.


SD is not beating Den in Denver, NE will rest guys and still beat Miami in SFL, NY will pound Bills who will eventually cave. We're likely done. Told you betters I know in NY told me Jets were winning out, we blew our chances yesterday. Between the duo of suck, Tomlin & Haley we're likely cooked.

Agreed. Steeler season is over. They lost in a single elimination round. The fork is already in. No way the Bills beat the Jets. Even if this is not true, they won't beat cincy or denver again. They just don't have "it."
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Post by Legacy User » Thu Dec 31, 2015 5:22 pm

They don't have "it", but following wins vs Cincy and Denver we we're "the team no one wants to face in the playoffs.

I chalk it up to this:


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mxuHYVmWlmU

Our phase 1 was beating Cincy and Denver

Then got full of ourselves and then

Shit the bed in Phase 2 vs Ryan Mallett

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Post by Donnie Brasco » Thu Dec 31, 2015 6:20 pm

BarryFoster wrote:They don't have "it", but following wins vs Cincy and Denver we we're "the team no one wants to face in the playoffs.

I chalk it up to this:


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mxuHYVmWlmU

Our phase 1 was beating Cincy and Denver

Then got full of ourselves and then

Shit the bed in Phase 2 vs Ryan Mallett


Actually I believe this team thought they were the shit after curb stomping Cincy. If you remember they came out listless vs Denver before flipping it around in the 2nd half. This team seems to have a habit of reading their press clippings

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