The Knee Jerk's Reaction: J-E-T-S

[lifelongsteel]

they both gave essentially the same answer

You're being disingenuous if you don't see a dramatic difference in approaches and mindset.

The greatest coach of all time concedes that he still has much to learn (told you he was less arrogant) and continually refines his approach to these marginal situations.

The other refuses to acknowledge that he is below-the-line in his decision-making and refuses to make any effort to improve.

You read that into 5 words huh?

So when BB answers questions after a loss with "We're on to Cinncinnati", I guess that means that he isn't going to review the game tape

[bradshaw2ben]

they both gave essentially the same answer

You're being disingenuous if you don't see a dramatic difference in approaches and mindset.

The greatest coach of all time concedes that he still has much to learn (told you he was less arrogant) and continually refines his approach to these marginal situations.

The other refuses to acknowledge that he is below-the-line in his decision-making and refuses to make any effort to improve.

and you are being more disingenuous if you think Tomlin' answer means he doesn't think about or analyze those situations, before, during, and after a game.

He was saying he's not into 20/20 hindsight discussion with that obtuse hindsight expert who asked him the question.

[Jobu]

they both gave essentially the same answer

Yep

[Donnie Brasco]

they both gave essentially the same answer

You're being disingenuous if you don't see a dramatic difference in approaches and mindset.

The greatest coach of all time concedes that he still has much to learn (told you he was less arrogant) and continually refines his approach to these marginal situations.

The other refuses to acknowledge that he is below-the-line in his decision-making and refuses to make any effort to improve.

and you are being more disingenuous if you think Tomlin' answer means he doesn't think about or analyze those situations, before, during, and after a game.

He was saying he's not into 20/20 hindsight discussion with that obtuse hindsight expert who asked him the question.

But this is a coach who CONTINUALLY blows those questions off as if they're below him. Again take any press conference with a grain of salt but Tomlin has history here on this topic and his thoughts are not nearing anything related to a potential MENSA candidate.

Tomlin is poor at clock management. Doesn't make him a sinner or terrible coach. He's good at other parts of his job but this is where he continually sucks and I'm convinced always will

[bradshaw2ben]

Doesn't want to engage with reporters after the fact is way different than doesn't think about it nor plan nor use good judgement.

Tomlin is a whole hell of a lot smarter than our previous coach-- he seems to be doing okay.

[Legacy User]

You think Bill Belichick is less arrogant than Mike Tomlin?

I bet you think he is less uppity, too.

The race card - the last bastion of a scoundrel.

You have that quote wrong

Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel
Samuel Johnson

I would remind you that a clear allusion to a well known quote is no vice.
And let me also remind you that criticism of said allusion is no virtue.

Anyway we have a grammar super cop here.

Lit, comon down!

[Legacy User]

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Tomlin is a whole hell of a lot smarter than our previous coach

Okay, what's your basis for that?

[Legacy User]

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Tomlin is a whole hell of a lot smarter than our previous coach

Okay, what's your basis for that?

I wouldn't want to hang around watching those two in a Rubiks cube contest.

[tunch]

and you are being more disingenuous if you think Tomlin' answer means he doesn't think about or analyze those situations, before, during, and after a game.

He was saying he's not into 20/20 hindsight discussion with that obtuse hindsight expert who asked him the question.

Then why do we watch the same exact fuck-ups year after year?

Why is his record against awful teams so awful year after year?

[bradshaw2ben]

and you are being more disingenuous if you think Tomlin' answer means he doesn't think about or analyze those situations, before, during, and after a game.

He was saying he's not into 20/20 hindsight discussion with that obtuse hindsight expert who asked him the question.

Then why do we watch the same exact fuck-ups year after year?

Why is his record against awful teams so awful year after year?

It isn't really. Other than Baltimore, you have to go back to one time in early 2014 (last second loss to TB) and then 2012-2013 (we weren't very good that year) to find losses to teams worse than 7-9.

For 2012-2014, we just weren't an elite team, personnel-wise. It's more specifically a Baltimore problem.

[lifelongsteel]

But this is a coach who CONTINUALLY blows those questions off as if they're below him. Again take any press conference with a grain of salt but Tomlin has history here on this topic and his thoughts are not nearing anything related to a potential MENSA candidate.

Tomlin is poor at clock management. Doesn't make him a sinner or terrible coach. He's good at other parts of his job but this is where he continually sucks and I'm convinced always will

you've hit on something important here: these types of decisions are a very small part of the overall job of coach. they get overblown because they are visible and seemingly proven. even if he was bottom 3rd of the league (which i don't think he is), he could still be a top 5 coach (which he is).

I think there is zero upside to answering these types of questions. The questioner always uses the outcome as the proofpoint as if the outcome was the guaranteed result of the choice. A missed FG means that the FG was a bad choice, etc etc

[bradshaw2ben]

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Tomlin is a whole hell of a lot smarter than our previous coach

Okay, what's your basis for that?

I wouldn't want to hang around watching those two in a Rubiks cube contest.

FYI, numerous studies have shown that a large vocabulary is the single highest correlative to intelligence. Something like 80% of people with above average or even esoteric vocabulary have above average intelligence.

[randomsteelerfan]

You're being disingenuous if you don't see a dramatic difference in approaches and mindset.

The greatest coach of all time concedes that he still has much to learn (told you he was less arrogant) and continually refines his approach to these marginal situations.

The other refuses to acknowledge that he is below-the-line in his decision-making and refuses to make any effort to improve.

and you are being more disingenuous if you think Tomlin' answer means he doesn't think about or analyze those situations, before, during, and after a game.

He was saying he's not into 20/20 hindsight discussion with that obtuse hindsight expert who asked him the question.

But this is a coach who CONTINUALLY blows those questions off as if they're below him. Again take any press conference with a grain of salt but Tomlin has history here on this topic and his thoughts are not nearing anything related to a potential MENSA candidate.

Tomlin is poor at clock management. Doesn't make him a sinner or terrible coach. He's good at other parts of his job but this is where he continually sucks and I'm convinced always will

Rhetorically, who gives a flying fuck if he doesn't want to answer or never, ever, ever, ever provides insight into what his late game thought process is.

I am continually dumbfounded at the the angst this creates for so many here.

Read Belichick's thesis on the many, many variable nuances of end game potentials. That alone should quiet all the mmqb's here that think they know the absolute 100% correct choice for each TO taken or 2 min drill.

It's such a minuscule aspect of the job position that it doesn't come close to the amount of heartburn so many here derive from it.

The Steelers are loaded. I'd venture to say this is possibly the best team they've fielded in 35+ yrs and I don't make that claim lightly. They are playing great and still haven't hit their potential.

So, again, who gives two shits. Is it frustrating to a small degree, sure. But, in the grand scheme of what he's accomplished, the product he's provided us, and what the team appears to be on the verge of, I won't give it a second thought.

[Legacy User]

1. Fuck any and all bullshit suggesting bill fucking belicheat is the greatest coach of all time. Hes won ABSOLUTELY ZERO LEGITIMATE big games.
Good coach, better cheater. Fuck him. Fuck Shady. Fuck Kraft. Fuck Jim fucking Nance. Fuck Goodell. Fuck the entirity of New England all they are, all they ever were, and all they are ever gonna be.

2. The fact that most of you have zero clue whatsoever that Tomlins press interactions are about championing mythos while at once embracing subterfuge and its untamed cohort swagger, is a perfect underlining of Planet Tomlin Uber Alles

[Drummer Boy]

1. Fuck any and all bullshit suggesting bill fucking belicheat is the greatest coach of all time. Hes won ABSOLUTELY ZERO LEGITIMATE big games.
Good coach, better cheater. Fuck him. Fuck Shady. Fuck Kraft. Fuck Jim fucking Nance. Fuck Goodell. Fuck the entirity of New England all they are, all they ever were, and all they are ever gonna be.

2. The fact that most of you have zero clue whatsoever that Tomlins press interactions are about championing mythos while at once embracing subterfuge and its untamed cohort swagger, is a perfect underlining of Planet Tomlin Uber Alles

Absolutely awesome. Planet Tomlin Uber Alles would make a good screen name. Or maybe Untamed Cohort Swagger

[bradshaw2ben]

2. The fact that most of you have zero clue whatsoever that Tomlins press interactions are about championing mythos while at once embracing subterfuge and its untamed cohort swagger, is a perfect underlining of Planet Tomlin Uber Alles

FTW

[Orangesteel]

I just want Tomlin to do away with those weird, out of nowhere calls that he sometimes does that make no sense whatsoever.

I think BB is a douche and I'm glad he doesn't coach the steelers, but the fact of the matter is he wouldn't call a punter sweep on a 4th and 2. And he probably wouldn't call a fake field goal where the primary target is the left tackle. And he likely wouldn't call a pass play where your best WR is throwing the ball.

Ok, I'm focusing in on those three plays; one game we won and the other two we lost.

But I don't think BB call those plays because I think his rationale, whether he would ever say it in a press conference or on the sideline or on the golf course, is because on 4th down, if you need two yards, then you give it to the guys who will give you the best shot of getting those two yards.

That isn't your punter running a sweep; that isn't sending your left tackle out for a jump ball; that isn't turning Antonio Brown into a quarterback.

I've been pleased with Mike this year. I think he's learning. But these types of decisions have to stop, because we are likely to face BB later this year and he doesn't call those abject failures.

[Donnie Brasco]

Rhetorically, who gives a flying fuck if he doesn't want to answer or never, ever, ever, ever provides insight into what his late game thought process is.

I am continually dumbfounded at the the angst this creates for so many here.

Read Belichick's thesis on the many, many variable nuances of end game potentials. That alone should quiet all the mmqb's here that think they know the absolute 100% correct choice for each TO taken or 2 min drill.

It's such a minuscule aspect of the job position that it doesn't come close to the amount of heartburn so many here derive from it.

The Steelers are loaded. I'd venture to say this is possibly the best team they've fielded in 35+ yrs and I don't make that claim lightly. They are playing great and still haven't hit their potential.

So, again, who gives two shits. Is it frustrating to a small degree, sure. But, in the grand scheme of what he's accomplished, the product he's provided us, and what the team appears to be on the verge of, I won't give it a second thought.

It's only frustrating to me because he comes off as annoyed by the subject. A topic he flatly sucks at. It's like when you want to discuss with your kid why he's getting terrible math grades and all he does is roll your eyes at you when you just want more information on his thought process. I insinuate from that conversation (or press conference, if you will) that he doesn't know the subject and there's possibly some embarrassment involved in it. Maybe he really DOESN"T know how to manage clock and maybe 95% of NFL coaches don't either. He's been in the NFL for almost 10 years...isn't that a bit concerning to anyone that he hasn't learned?

And if BB is my head coach and doesn't wanna answer questions about a topic he's PROVEN to be pretty damn good at, I'd certainly be less annoyed.

[Legacy User]

And if BB is my head coach and doesn't wanna answer questions about a topic he's PROVEN to be pretty damn good at, I'd certainly be less annoyed.

Tomlin has better record and more legit championships than belicheat

Tomlin is a better coach. The best of his era in fact

[tbsteel]

FYI, numerous studies have shown that a large vocabulary is the single highest correlative to intelligence. Something like 80% of people with above average or even esoteric vocabulary have above average intelligence.

What does that word mean?

[randomsteelerfan]

It's only frustrating to me because he comes off as annoyed by the subject. A topic he flatly sucks at. It's like when you want to discuss with your kid why he's getting terrible math grades and all he does is roll your eyes at you when you just want more information on his thought process. I insinuate from that conversation (or press conference, if you will) that he doesn't know the subject and there's possibly some embarrassment involved in it. Maybe he really DOESN"T know how to manage clock and maybe 95% of NFL coaches don't either. He's been in the NFL for almost 10 years...isn't that a bit concerning to anyone that he hasn't learned?

And if BB is my head coach and doesn't wanna answer questions about a topic he's PROVEN to be pretty damn good at, I'd certainly be less annoyed.

Well, its hard to really know what he has or hasn't learned. Maybe he just chooses to coach a certain style. Maybe it's old school. Idk. He doesn't provide any insight.

However, the guy is obviously very intelligent and has most definitely progressed and improved as HC overall.

Now, if he was obviously lacking and stubborn to evolve with defensive development, or offensive philosophy or something that impacts the game, team and/or wins on a regular basis, like 6-10 vs 10-6, then I'm with you.

Otherwise, his late game decision making isn't that egregious to be that different from optimal and doesn't bother me.

[COR-TEN]

FYI, numerous studies have shown that a large vocabulary is the single highest correlative to intelligence. Something like 80% of people with above average or even esoteric vocabulary have above average intelligence.

I'd like to see those studies. Or at least the methodology.

Cognitive problem solving skills, the ability to understand complex concepts, and heightened observation is not predicated on 'vocabulary.' I personally consider those things necessary for "intelligence." You can learn vocabulary by ROTE, but it doesn't necessarily mean that you can apply that knowledge. Or be creative an efficient with it.

I've known very well read individuals with extensive vocabulary skills that couldn't find their way out of a paper bag or understand the simplest of concepts.

But I understand what the point is. . .

[Legacy User]

It continually astounds me that hordes of Steeler fans seem to think all crucial decisions can derived from a theoretically vacuum that simply doesnt exist in the actual game.

Additionally, its even more shocking that those braying hordes often believe they possess even a small percentage of information that goes into those decisions.

I have yet to see ANY presumed error Tomlin made that cant be accounted for very simply

[tunch]

But this is a coach who CONTINUALLY blows those questions off as if they're below him. Again take any press conference with a grain of salt but Tomlin has history here on this topic and his thoughts are not nearing anything related to a potential MENSA candidate.

Tomlin is poor at clock management. Doesn't make him a sinner or terrible coach. He's good at other parts of his job but this is where he continually sucks and I'm convinced always will

you've hit on something important here: these types of decisions are a very small part of the overall job of coach. they get overblown because they are visible and seemingly proven. even if he was bottom 3rd of the league (which i don't think he is), he could still be a top 5 coach (which he is).

I think there is zero upside to answering these types of questions. The questioner always uses the outcome as the proofpoint as if the outcome was the guaranteed result of the choice. A missed FG means that the FG was a bad choice, etc etc

This is dumb. In-game decisions are not a time-consuming part of the job but they have the most impact.

I'm sure Todd Bowles put in 90 hours of work last week, but he negated everything with that decision to punt.

[tunch]

It's only frustrating to me because he comes off as annoyed by the subject. A topic he flatly sucks at. It's like when you want to discuss with your kid why he's getting terrible math grades and all he does is roll your eyes at you when you just want more information on his thought process. I insinuate from that conversation (or press conference, if you will) that he doesn't know the subject and there's possibly some embarrassment involved in it. Maybe he really DOESN"T know how to manage clock and maybe 95% of NFL coaches don't either. He's been in the NFL for almost 10 years...isn't that a bit concerning to anyone that he hasn't learned?

And if BB is my head coach and doesn't wanna answer questions about a topic he's PROVEN to be pretty damn good at, I'd certainly be less annoyed.

This.

He refuses to improve this aspect of his game.

I'd be fine if he could competently explain himself - ever. Instead, the best we get is "there could have been a bad snap." Talk about living in your fears.