29 rushing attempts for 50 rush YDS or 1.7 YDS per attempt

[bradshaw2ben]

I understand the part about the O-line Jeemie, but sometimes a great player can transcend all of that. A great, once in a generation RB, the best RB in the NFL is supposed to be able to break free and have long runs even with shoddy blocking, able to score long TDs.

Where are Browns catches this year where he uses that open field running to break free and make big plays? His catch percentage this season is just 64%, down from 70 and 71 the past two years. It is amazing to me to see NFL teams routinely cover and limit him from game to game. We once would marvel that he had a streak of at least 5 catches for at least 50 yards and now that is all a thing of the past. Now he has games where he might only be targeted once or twice in a half to start off a game. His stats down and while he is on pace for 110 and maybe 1300 yards they are largely being built in garbage time it seems to me.

How is it possible for Haley to have such chess pieces and not get the ball in their hands and for this team to truly score 30 points a game?

I have seen teams just shitcan their OCs for similar problems this season. If anything I don't see Tomin on the hot seat but Todd Haley instead. I agree with B2B, Fitchner would probably make a better play caller in game, but I think Fitchner would make a better OC period, if given the chance.

Buffalo fired their OC after two games. Look at the amazeball that team plays on offense now! They creatively use formations and misdirection that creates time and space for everyone. They use a basketload of different pieces and the OC says his #1 goal is to "use the various talents they have". When watching the games, I honestly have no idea what Todd Haley does during the week. To come out of a bye and have nothing in the way of mixing it up/wrinkles/play design is comical.

[Legacy User]

I understand the part about the O-line Jeemie, but sometimes a great player can transcend all of that. A great, once in a generation RB, the best RB in the NFL is supposed to be able to break free and have long runs even with shoddy blocking, able to score long TDs.

Where are Browns catches this year where he uses that open field running to break free and make big plays? His catch percentage this season is just 64%, down from 70 and 71 the past two years. It is amazing to me to see NFL teams routinely cover and limit him from game to game. We once would marvel that he had a streak of at least 5 catches for at least 50 yards and now that is all a thing of the past. Now he has games where he might only be targeted once or twice in a half to start off a game. His stats down and while he is on pace for 110 and maybe 1300 yards they are largely being built in garbage time it seems to me.

How is it possible for Haley to have such chess pieces and not get the ball in their hands and for this team to truly score 30 points a game?

I have seen teams just shitcan their OCs for similar problems this season. If anything I don't see Tomin on the hot seat but Todd Haley instead. I agree with B2B, Fitchner would probably make a better play caller in game, but I think Fitchner would make a better OC period, if given the chance.

Buffalo fired their OC after two games. Look at the amazeball that team plays on offense now! They creatively use formations and misdirection that creates time and space for everyone. They use a basketload of different pieces and the OC says his #1 goal is to "use the various talents they have". When watching the games, I honestly have no idea what Todd Haley does during the week. To come out of a bye and have nothing in the way of mixing it up/wrinkles/play design is comical.

The OC hired by Tomlin is running the offense as Tomlin wants it, and what you've been seeing Tomlin is comfortable with.

[bradshaw2ben]

I understand the part about the O-line Jeemie, but sometimes a great player can transcend all of that. A great, once in a generation RB, the best RB in the NFL is supposed to be able to break free and have long runs even with shoddy blocking, able to score long TDs.

Where are Browns catches this year where he uses that open field running to break free and make big plays? His catch percentage this season is just 64%, down from 70 and 71 the past two years. It is amazing to me to see NFL teams routinely cover and limit him from game to game. We once would marvel that he had a streak of at least 5 catches for at least 50 yards and now that is all a thing of the past. Now he has games where he might only be targeted once or twice in a half to start off a game. His stats down and while he is on pace for 110 and maybe 1300 yards they are largely being built in garbage time it seems to me.

How is it possible for Haley to have such chess pieces and not get the ball in their hands and for this team to truly score 30 points a game?

I have seen teams just shitcan their OCs for similar problems this season. If anything I don't see Tomin on the hot seat but Todd Haley instead. I agree with B2B, Fitchner would probably make a better play caller in game, but I think Fitchner would make a better OC period, if given the chance.

Buffalo fired their OC after two games. Look at the amazeball that team plays on offense now! They creatively use formations and misdirection that creates time and space for everyone. They use a basketload of different pieces and the OC says his #1 goal is to "use the various talents they have". When watching the games, I honestly have no idea what Todd Haley does during the week. To come out of a bye and have nothing in the way of mixing it up/wrinkles/play design is comical.

The OC hired by Tomlin is running the offense as Tomlin wants it, and what you've been seeing Tomlin is comfortable with.

For the umpteenth time: the HC wants balance-- that's what he said, if we're going by that. Achieving that balance and figuring out which plays to make that work and designing or adjusting designs to fit opponent-- that's what the OC is supposed to do. We can agree that I would like to see the HC demand more aggression but still agree that the OC is not calling, designing, or scheming the right plays for the top-level strategy.

[Thrillsseeker]

Haley is so hot and so cold. It's like he can't find the middle ground, sustain a great game or evolve. This leads me to wonder how many times Ben calls an audible etc.

That shit show against the Ratbirds was ugly. No wrinkle (as mentioned in another post above) no nothing other than stale, not working, not changing things up until it was too late.

When we started moving the ball, was that Ben calling plays? What we'd see in the lightning package? Is/was that all Todd?

Maybe someone needs to explain to Todd the game of OC in an NFL game using a philosophical approach comparing golf to the game of football and we can pray that it may help him. Maybe he could ask his daughter. (she actually plays the game of football)

He fucking sucks.

[DP39]

I understand the part about the O-line Jeemie, but sometimes a great player can transcend all of that. A great, once in a generation RB, the best RB in the NFL is supposed to be able to break free and have long runs even with shoddy blocking, able to score long TDs.

Where are Browns catches this year where he uses that open field running to break free and make big plays? His catch percentage this season is just 64%, down from 70 and 71 the past two years. It is amazing to me to see NFL teams routinely cover and limit him from game to game. We once would marvel that he had a streak of at least 5 catches for at least 50 yards and now that is all a thing of the past. Now he has games where he might only be targeted once or twice in a half to start off a game. His stats down and while he is on pace for 110 and maybe 1300 yards they are largely being built in garbage time it seems to me.

How is it possible for Haley to have such chess pieces and not get the ball in their hands and for this team to truly score 30 points a game?

I have seen teams just shitcan their OCs for similar problems this season. If anything I don't see Tomin on the hot seat but Todd Haley instead. I agree with B2B, Fitchner would probably make a better play caller in game, but I think Fitchner would make a better OC period, if given the chance.

Buffalo fired their OC after two games. Look at the amazeball that team plays on offense now! They creatively use formations and misdirection that creates time and space for everyone. They use a basketload of different pieces and the OC says his #1 goal is to "use the various talents they have". When watching the games, I honestly have no idea what Todd Haley does during the week. To come out of a bye and have nothing in the way of mixing it up/wrinkles/play design is comical.

The OC hired by Tomlin is running the offense as Tomlin wants it, and what you've been seeing Tomlin is comfortable with.[/quote]
For the umpteenth time: the HC wants balance-- that's what he said, if we're going by that. Achieving that balance and figuring out which plays to make that work and designing or adjusting designs to fit opponent-- that's what the OC is supposed to do. We can agree that I would like to see the HC demand more aggression but still agree that the OC is not calling, designing, or scheming the right plays for the top-level strategy.[/quote]

I agree that Haley could do a better job, but no one here is going to convince me that Tomlin didn't tell Haley your job is to max protect Ben with big uglies (meaning 3 TE sets), ease into the game, and game plan for a game of attrition. Once a OC gets that directive, his hands are somewhat tied. Again, you could see/feel Tomlin tell Haley to unleash Ben once it was 21-0. For someone who doesn't live in his fears, Tomlin seemed awful skittish to me...until the game was out of reach, that is. Ben is usually at his best and most effective when playing an up-tempo, gun slinging, rhythm type of offense. On Sunday, Tomlin made sure that wasn't going to happen until it was too late imo.

[bradshaw2ben]

no one here is going to convince me that Tomlin didn't tell Haley your job is to max protect Ben with big uglies (meaning 3 TE sets)

Except that he didn't max protect. They had 3 TEs and went empty set. They went empty and Ben got drilled by a free runner, Suggs.

They might have been philosophically trying to protect Ben, but the best way to do that is to give him a lot of chances to play small ball, not force him into a corner with poor run game and fewer opportunities to make plays.

[DP39]

no one here is going to convince me that Tomlin didn't tell Haley your job is to max protect Ben with big uglies (meaning 3 TE sets)

Except that he didn't max protect. They had 3 TEs and went empty set. They went empty and Ben got drilled by a free runner, Suggs.

They might have been philosophically trying to protect Ben, but the best way to do that is to give him a lot of chances to play small ball, not force him into a corner with poor run game and fewer opportunities to make plays.

You can break it down how ever you want, but Tomlin's game plan was to protect Ben and not take any chances with Ben's health. That game philosophy, then passed down to our OC, was a big reason why things went the way they did on Sunday. Tomlin played right into the Ravens' hands, because he lived in his fears about Ben and because he thinks that's how we are always supposed to play the Ravens. Stupid is as Stupid does.....

I've watched the Ravens plenty this year (and last) and their back end D is not very good. They can be beat and have been plenty, but Tomlin decided to do the opposite of what everyone else has done to beat them....until the end of the fourth that is.