T_dd Haley

[Legacy User]

I would love to have read this thread if we had lost

382 yards with no turnovers in difficult conditions on the road against a team that was fired up to play us. 24 pts plus a kneel down near the goal line to end the game. Probably should have had 2 pass interference calls on deep balls to coates we didn't get that could have turned FGs into TDs.

Yup I criticize plenty but except for a couple of useless end arounds near the red zone Steelers executed a well played road game in a very hostile environment. Call those 2 DPIs as you mentioned and we score over 30.

[jeemie]

I would love to have read this thread if we had lost

382 yards with no turnovers in difficult conditions on the road against a team that was fired up to play us. 24 pts plus a kneel down near the goal line to end the game. Probably should have had 2 pass interference calls on deep balls to coates we didn't get that could have turned FGs into TDs.

Speaking of which...how was there no DPI called on the deep pass to Coates down the sideline?

Ref was right there running on sidelines with a fantastic view of the corner getting all touchy feely w Coates BEFORE the ball got there.

Or the one in the end zone where the guy grabbed and yanked his face mask and the back judge was two feet away looking RIGHT AT HIM.

[Legacy User]

I would love to have read this thread if we had lost

382 yards with no turnovers in difficult conditions on the road against a team that was fired up to play us. 24 pts plus a kneel down near the goal line to end the game. Probably should have had 2 pass interference calls on deep balls to coates we didn't get that could have turned FGs into TDs.

Speaking of which...how was there no DPI called on the deep pass to Coates down the sideline?

Ref was right there running on sidelines with a fantastic view of the corner getting all touchy feely w Coates BEFORE the ball got there.

how about the facemask on coates in the EZ. That was directly in front of the ref

[Drummer Boy]

I would love to have read this thread if we had lost

382 yards with no turnovers in difficult conditions on the road against a team that was fired up to play us. 24 pts plus a kneel down near the goal line to end the game. Probably should have had 2 pass interference calls on deep balls to coates we didn't get that could have turned FGs into TDs.

And a TD to Antonio turned into a FG on a fairly ticky-tack call.

Beautiful post, VS! The closing drive, ending with our knees on their throat at the 4, was magnificent.

[Legacy User]

or Whitworth's punch in the face to take down Timmons on the INT -- he could have gone a lot farther on that return if not for the personal foul that wasn't called

[K_C_]

Anybody that defends Haley's goddamn momentum killing reverses needs to have their throat slit.

[Legacy User]

If he runs the same offense against the Ravens that he did against the Bengals it's going to be a long Christmas Day.

If they lose, that's how it will happen, they'll play like they always do vs. the Ravens, as if it's 2008 and Ray Lewis is in his prime, and we need to establish the run to win by a FG, Instead of just plain airing it out all day.

What they should do: Open the game, spread, no huddle, 4 wides, throwing.most of the time, in a 2 minute drill.

What they will do: Open the game, run, run, 3rd and long, incomplete pass, punt.

Then after falling behind, or being close, start throwing in the 4th quarter.

In full agreement.

[Legacy User]

Anybody that defends Haley's goddamn momentum killing reverses needs to have their throat slit.

but there was a reverse that went for a long gain yesterday

the question is, why does he run this "surprise play" more than once in a game? It worked great the first time -- but they sniffed it out easily the 2nd time

it's almost like Haley is coaching HS or D3 college -- he thinks he can get away with sloppy shit like that in the NFL

[Orangesteel]

If he runs the same offense against the Ravens that he did against the Bengals it's going to be a long Christmas Day.

If they lose, that's how it will happen, they'll play like they always do vs. the Ravens, as if it's 2008 and Ray Lewis is in his prime, and we need to establish the run to win by a FG, Instead of just plain airing it out all day.

What they should do: Open the game, spread, no huddle, 4 wides, throwing.most of the time, in a 2 minute drill.

What they will do: Open the game, run, run, 3rd and long, incomplete pass, punt.

Then after falling behind, or being close, start throwing in the 4th quarter.

In full agreement.

Todd was shown a blue print of how you can shred the Ravens a week ago. Pats destroyed them; but for two muffed kickoff/punt, the game wasn't even close.

They didn't do that running up the asses of their offensive linemen. Is Jimmy Smith still out? Middle of the field is open. Attack attack attack.

[Legacy User]

Todd was shown a blue print of how you can shred the Ravens a week ago. Pats destroyed them; but for two muffed kickoff/punt, the game wasn't even close.

They didn't do that running up the asses of their offensive linemen. Is Jimmy Smith still out? Middle of the field is open. Attack attack attack.

Easy to say - but do the Steelers have the weapons at WR, at RB, at QB to attack anything?

Me, I'd say their weapons are pretty damn good,

[bradshaw2ben]

Anybody that defends Haley's goddamn momentum killing reverses needs to have their throat slit.

but there was a reverse that went for a long gain yesterday

the question is, why does he run this "surprise play" more than once in a game? It worked great the first time -- but they sniffed it out easily the 2nd time

it's almost like Haley is coaching HS or D3 college -- he thinks he can get away with sloppy shit like that in the NFL

Well, he does pretty well, considering he never played a down of competitive football. I doubt Haley even played defense in pickup touch football, where you'd glean some understanding of how misdirection affects your decision-making and reactions. Everything he knows is anecdotal.

[Legacy User]

Anybody that defends Haley's goddamn momentum killing reverses needs to have their throat slit.

but there was a reverse that went for a long gain yesterday

the question is, why does he run this "surprise play" more than once in a game? It worked great the first time -- but they sniffed it out easily the 2nd time

it's almost like Haley is coaching HS or D3 college -- he thinks he can get away with sloppy shit like that in the NFL

Well, he does pretty well, considering he never played a down of competitive football. I doubt Haley even played defense in pickup touch football, where you'd glean some understanding of how misdirection affects your decision-making and reactions. Everything he knows is anecdotal.

John Clayton as a coordinator...if you will

[JackLambert58]

https://twitter.com/JasonLaCanfora/stat ... 4697205761

Josh McDaniels, Todd Haley and Mike Smith possible candidates for the Jags HC job.

[Suwanee88]

The Steelers lack weapons.

Haley's play calling is a major issue

Teams can double AB...Stop the run with 8...And not be the least bit concerned about the secondary targets in the passing game.

That's not a Mike Tomlin issue
That's not a Todd Haley issue
That's a Kevin Colbert issue.

I know its much easier for the rocket scientists of Steelers nation to blame Haley Tomlin Mann or Fitchner



This guy is a major problem for the Steelers

I agree, but I also wonder how much influence the boy wonder Art2 has on this organization. I am guessing more than any of us think. Probably didn't think twice about M Floyd. They are way too damn conservative. They will soon find this out when Ben retires. They have left a lot on the table.

[Pabst]

https://twitter.com/JasonLaCanfora/status/810931814697205761

Josh McDaniels, Todd Haley and Mike Smith possible candidates for the Jags HC job.

Damnit! Doesn't this guarantee that Haley stays?

[Legacy User]

Anybody that defends Haley's goddamn momentum killing reverses needs to have their throat slit.

but there was a reverse that went for a long gain yesterday

the question is, why does he run this "surprise play" more than once in a game? It worked great the first time -- but they sniffed it out easily the 2nd time

it's almost like Haley is coaching HS or D3 college -- he thinks he can get away with sloppy shit like that in the NFL

Well, he does pretty well, considering he never played a down of competitive football. I doubt Haley even played defense in pickup touch football, where you'd glean some understanding of how misdirection affects your decision-making and reactions. Everything he knows is anecdotal.

John Clayton as a coordinator...if you will

[BethlehemSteel]

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1026 ... ting-hired

[Drummer Boy]

Anybody that defends Haley's goddamn momentum killing reverses needs to have their throat slit.

I'm usually among the coach-defenders around here, but our incompetence at deception (and screens) is generational. Everyone in the NFL seems to routinely read and destroy these plays.

I actually think we SHOULD run some of our trick plays at the Patriots. Might foul up the computers with sheer dumbfuckery.

[StillerInCT]

Todd was shown a blue print of how you can shred the Ravens a week ago. Pats destroyed them; but for two muffed kickoff/punt, the game wasn't even close.

They didn't do that running up the asses of their offensive linemen. Is Jimmy Smith still out? Middle of the field is open. Attack attack attack.

Easy to say - but do the Steelers have the weapons at WR, at RB, at QB to attack anything?

Me, I'd say their weapons are pretty damn good,

I mean...

Brown>>>>Edelman
Bell>>>>>Blount
Green (assuming he plays)<= Bennett
Our Line = Their Line

Patriots skill players don't scare anybody. They just scheme well and execute. They approach every drive as if there is some underlying plan. That's the feeling I haven't gotten from our offense in a while sans Bell's domination of the Bills. But that was really Child's play. Bills couldn't stop Bell in any facet so it didn't involve much thought.

[jeemie]

Anybody that defends Haley's goddamn momentum killing reverses needs to have their throat slit.

I'm usually among the coach-defenders around here, but our incompetence at deception (and screens) is generational. Everyone in the NFL seems to routinely read and destroy these plays.

I actually think we SHOULD run some of our trick plays at the Patriots. Might foul up the computers with sheer dumbfuckery.

They tried that in the 2015 opener, remember?

It fucked up a drive where we were moving the ball and could have taken a 7-0 lead.

[StillerInCT]

Anybody that defends Haley's goddamn momentum killing reverses needs to have their throat slit.

I'm usually among the coach-defenders around here, but our incompetence at deception (and screens) is generational. Everyone in the NFL seems to routinely read and destroy these plays.

I actually think we SHOULD run some of our trick plays at the Patriots. Might foul up the computers with sheer dumbfuckery.

They tried that in the 2015 opener, remember?

It fucked up a drive where we were moving the ball and could have taken a 7-0 lead.

Wasn't that the opening drive too? We were literally doing anything we wanted to do on that drive. Until T_dd went all T_dd Haley and did some unecessary trickeration.

[Drummer Boy]

They tried that in the 2015 opener, remember?

Too bad. I guess our deception incompetence is bulletproof.

[lifelongsteel]

I generally try to stay away from Patriots comparisons, as it's generally an unfair fight and, normal rules don't seem to apply to them. Some interesting things from the rankings though.

Yards/Game

Pats 4th (390), Steelers 7th (375). So, Pats gain 15 more yards per game. Interestingly, the Steelers out gain the Patriots at home 410-392, but the Pats are substantially better at gaining yards on the road (388-348)

Points/Game

Pats 6th (26.1), Steelers 11th (24.4). Same issue here about the Steelers averaging more points at home and the Pats scoring much more on the road. It's par for the course that the Steelers are ranked lower for scoring than for yards. Atypical for the Pats.

TD in RZ %

Pats 9th (62%), Steelers (55%). Pats same at home and on the road. Steelers 68% at home and 43% on the road.

Interesting note on the Steelers - during the past 6 games they have scored between 24 and 30 points each game. Very consistent. They've done this against good defenses and bad defenses.

For the season, They are 0-4 scoring less than 24. They averaged 12 points in those games. They are 9-1 scoring 24 or more (Cowboys loss was the one exception). They averaged 28 points in those games.

[Minkah'n History]

If he runs the same offense against the Ravens that he did against the Bengals it's going to be a long Christmas Day.

If they lose, that's how it will happen, they'll play like they always do vs. the Ravens, as if it's 2008 and Ray Lewis is in his prime, and we need to establish the run to win by a FG, Instead of just plain airing it out all day.

What they should do: Open the game, spread, no huddle, 4 wides, throwing.most of the time, in a 2 minute drill.

What they will do: Open the game, run, run, 3rd and long, incomplete pass, punt.

Then after falling behind, or being close, start throwing in the 4th quarter.

You don't want to just air it out all game, but against the same team that has a stout run defense that will continue to dominate our o-line we cannot run into their 8 man boxes on early downs...we consistently run on early downs when it never works against them...have some creativity with P/A and an occasional rollout or two. We waste halves of football on offense v them every single game, it's maddening.

[StillerInCT]

I'd come out no huddle on Sunday. No question about it.

[Jobu]

I think we all have to come to grips with the idea that this offense, as we know it, is exactly what Todd Haley was brought in for. Attrition football. Possess the ball...run the clock. Run strong...throw long. This offense is built around Lev Bell, not their HOF QB. As stupid as that sounds, it's what Mike Tomlin wants. But more importantly, it's what A2 wants. The Cowher offense on steroids...
They dressed four mother fucking TEs against the Bungs yesterday...FOUR!
Can't wait to watch them hand Lev Bell the ball 30 times vs the Rats.

[JackLambert58]

https://twitter.com/JasonLaCanfora/status/810931814697205761

Josh McDaniels, Todd Haley and Mike Smith possible candidates for the Jags HC job.

Damnit! Doesn't this guarantee that Haley stays?

Impeachable! Either that or he's headed to LA.

[jeemie]

I think we all have to come to grips with the idea that this offense, as we know it, is exactly what Todd Haley was brought in for. Attrition football. Possess the ball...run the clock. Run strong...throw long. This offense is built around Lev Bell, not their HOF QB. As stupid as that sounds, it's what Mike Tomlin wants. But more importantly, it's what A2 wants. The Cowher offense on steroids...
They dressed four mother fucking TEs against the Bungs yesterday...FOUR!
Can't wait to watch them hand Lev Bell the ball 30 times vs the Rats.

They dressed four TEs because they have only four healthy WRs.

[Jobu]

I think we all have to come to grips with the idea that this offense, as we know it, is exactly what Todd Haley was brought in for. Attrition football. Possess the ball...run the clock. Run strong...throw long. This offense is built around Lev Bell, not their HOF QB. As stupid as that sounds, it's what Mike Tomlin wants. But more importantly, it's what A2 wants. The Cowher offense on steroids...
They dressed four mother fucking TEs against the Bungs yesterday...FOUR!
Can't wait to watch them hand Lev Bell the ball 30 times vs the Rats.

They dressed four TEs because they have only four healthy WRs.

They have had only 4 healthy WRs for about the past 4-5 games...correct? Have they used 4 TEs before yesterday?

[tbsteel]

I generally try to stay away from Patriots comparisons, as it's generally an unfair fight and, normal rules don't seem to apply to them. Some interesting things from the rankings though.

Yards/Game

Pats 4th (390), Steelers 7th (375). So, Pats gain 15 more yards per game. Interestingly, the Steelers out gain the Patriots at home 410-392, but the Pats are substantially better at gaining yards on the road (388-348)

Points/Game

Pats 6th (26.1), Steelers 11th (24.4). Same issue here about the Steelers averaging more points at home and the Pats scoring much more on the road. It's par for the course that the Steelers are ranked lower for scoring than for yards. Atypical for the Pats.

TD in RZ %

Pats 9th (62%), Steelers (55%). Pats same at home and on the road. Steelers 68% at home and 43% on the road.

Interesting note on the Steelers - during the past 6 games they have scored between 24 and 30 points each game. Very consistent. They've done this against good defenses and bad defenses.

For the season, They are 0-4 scoring less than 24. They averaged 12 points in those games. They are 9-1 scoring 24 or more (Cowboys loss was the one exception). They averaged 28 points in those games.

I think the Steelers are right where they should be this year from an offensive standpoint. 7th in yards and 11th in points? Sounds about right. We've gotten semi borderline pro bowl/above average play at QB this year (you could argue Brady, Rodgers, Ryan, Brees, Carr, Luck, Rivers, Prescott, Mariota, Stafford, and Cousins have all been just as good if not better than Ben in a lot of those cases this year), a top three WR with a bunch of average to below average WRs beyond him, below average TE play for most of the year, a top 5 o line and high quality run game. I would expect slightly more points, but that's been an issue with Ben/Tomlin and this offense for years. Same reason Arians got fired. We just don't have the dominant red zone threats some teams have, which hurts what they can do. The one guy who was the throw it up and have them make a play guy is suspended.

Butler has been outstanding, but Haley has performed as expected for the most part.