Denver can have Clank, we'll keep Wheaton!

[lifelongsteel]

Well the Steelers put up 30 against a helluva lot better defense than the Indy Colts, so I'm not worried about it.

Those 30 points taste better when scored by a seem splitting TE or a 6'5" receiver. They just do.

[955876]

So our offense wouldn't benefit from a seem splitting TE?

[lifelongsteel]

So our offense wouldn't benefit from a seem splitting TE?

Not as much as our D would benefit from a true NT. It's all tradeoffs. Nearly impossible to invest either the $$ or draftpicks of both to be great at every position on the field.

[955876]

So our offense wouldn't benefit from a seem splitting TE?

Not as much as our D would benefit from a true NT. It's all tradeoffs. Nearly impossible to invest either the $$ or draftpicks of both to be great at every position on the field.

You don't have to be great to be adequate. And hopefully our true NT is going to be McCullers.

Problem I see at TE is the Steelers have a certain vision of what they want. Problem is, it creates an unnecessary void in the passing game while not really helping the run game to the degree for which it's intended.

[lifelongsteel]

So our offense wouldn't benefit from a seem splitting TE?

Not as much as our D would benefit from a true NT. It's all tradeoffs. Nearly impossible to invest either the $$ or draftpicks of both to be great at every position on the field.

You don't have to be great to be adequate. And hopefully our true NT is going to be McCullers.

Problem I see at TE is the Steelers have a certain vision of what they want. Problem is, it creates an unnecessary void in the passing game while not really helping the run game to the degree for which it's intended.

I understand where you are coming from, but i'm not totally sure i agree. we're in the process or replacing high quality aging vets across the board. we had fires burning brighter at other positions than at TE. A few years ago Heath was a top 5 TE. We'll get around to it.

[Mick]

So our offense wouldn't benefit from a seem splitting TE?

Not as much as our D would benefit from a true NT. It's all tradeoffs. Nearly impossible to invest either the $$ or draftpicks of both to be great at every position on the field.

an athletic tight end would help our nickel run d as much as a true nose tackle (ie, not at all).

[bradshaw2ben]

So our offense wouldn't benefit from a seem splitting TE?

Not as much as our D would benefit from a true NT. It's all tradeoffs. Nearly impossible to invest either the $$ or draftpicks of both to be great at every position on the field.

an athletic tight end would help our nickel run d as much as a true nose tackle (ie, not at all).

Chapeau

[lifelongsteel]

So our offense wouldn't benefit from a seem splitting TE?

Not as much as our D would benefit from a true NT. It's all tradeoffs. Nearly impossible to invest either the $$ or draftpicks of both to be great at every position on the field.

an athletic tight end would help our nickel run d as much as a true nose tackle (ie, not at all).

Were we only getting gashed in nickel?

[StillMadAtSlobber]

Problem is, we don't even try to get that type of player. They are happy as pigs in shit with the TEs we have.

yup.
we will draft a TE in the next draft.......
odds are real good he will be known more as a good blocking TE than as a dynamic new wave pass catching threat

See I think once they find solutions for both tackle positions the "blocking TE" may not matter as much going forward. I'd love nothing more than to see a super athletic pass catching machine that can block at TE in the B&G. Trouble is they obviously aren't growing on trees.

Ah, so by 2022 we will get a weapon TE?

[lifelongsteel]

Ah, so by 2022 we will get a weapon TE?

Yes, but by then we won't have any good receivers or running backs. And Brian Hoyer will prob be our QB.

(this negative thing is fun and easy)

[Mick]

Not as much as our D would benefit from a true NT. It's all tradeoffs. Nearly impossible to invest either the $$ or draftpicks of both to be great at every position on the field.

an athletic tight end would help our nickel run d as much as a true nose tackle (ie, not at all).

Were we only getting gashed in nickel?

watching the game, when I rewound after big runs it appeared to be nickel, but I only did that a couple times. by snap count, it looks like we weren't in nickel much, so I'm probably mistaken here.

[Legacy User]

I hope I don't get trashed for the source..just thought it was relevant here..

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[K_C_]

I pray McCullers is ready to start next season.

....if not earlier. We're gonna need him

[lifelongsteel]

so, can i go back to pining for a NT now?

and btw if you think that's McCullers now or ever i've got some property for you etc etc

Those Fat Casey types come along only so often.

[955876]

The way our D has been playing I'm not sure we need to be married to this scheme anyways.

4 man fronts that can stop the run on the way to the QB seem to be one way to slow these high power offenses.

We might be closer to running that scheme than we are an effective 34.

[K_C_]

The way our D has been playing I'm not sure we need to be married to this scheme anyways.

4 man fronts that can stop the run on the way to the QB seem to be one way to slow these high power offenses.

We might be closer to running that scheme than we are an effective 34.

Gonna be interesting to see what they do for sure.

Will they add another penetrator like McClendon to pair with him inside, or do they look for a traditional NT?

I don't know what they'll do, but changes will be made after this season, whether McCullers is ready to roll or not.

[Stosh-67]

So our offense wouldn't benefit from a seem splitting TE?

Not as much as our D would benefit from a true NT. It's all tradeoffs. Nearly impossible to invest either the $$ or draftpicks of both to be great at every position on the field.

You don't have to be great to be adequate. And hopefully our true NT is going to be McCullers.

Problem I see at TE is the Steelers have a certain vision of what they want. Problem is, it creates an unnecessary void in the passing game while not really helping the run game to the degree for which it's intended.

95. your right..
three TEs that have not made a difference in our running game....
one we throw to.......makes the other two useless

how bout the kid on the giants that just caught the jump ball TE,,,,,
6'6"
udfa....

id rather the steelers try and find one of these type of guys as a late rounder or udfa........as their third TE rather than another guy that cant block on top of possing a minimal threat on offense

[Legacy User]

Forget the Sanders/Wheaton comparisons. I remember at least a few people trying to argue that Moye > Wheaton despite neither ever having done anything significant in a game. I was told I was crazy for picking Wheaton over Moye based purely on draft position because Moye had 2 career receptions.

Then we drafted a different tall guy to pine over and Moye was suddenly forgotten forever. Weird how that works.

[Ice]

Well, it's nice to have some variety in the WR corps. I wanted Moye to be a player. I wanted some red zone fade routes and some touchdowns in coverage. I would like to see the same thing out of Bryant, at some point in time.

Doesn't mean I don't value the contributions Brown and Wheaton will make to this offense.

[Legacy User]

Well, it's nice to have some variety in the WR corps. I wanted Moye to be a player. I wanted some red zone fade routes and some touchdowns in coverage. I would like to see the same thing out of Bryant, at some point in time.

Doesn't mean I don't value the contributions Brown and Wheaton will make to this offense.

And I get that, I just think some people are a little TOO tied up in the idea of that big red zone threat. I get the value, and I also think it'd be great to have. But not to the point where I get a hard-on every time we hire a waterboy who's over 6'2".

[V DUB]

These yougun's need to learn to diagnose. & maintain gaps. Worild's lost his shit quite a few times inrun fits. Jones over pursuing. We talked about a young D coming together.

The O has to keep the ship upright for now.

This isn't rocket science.

[jeemie]

Forget the Sanders/Wheaton comparisons. I remember at least a few people trying to argue that Moye > Wheaton despite neither ever having done anything significant in a game. I was told I was crazy for picking Wheaton over Moye based purely on draft position because Moye had 2 career receptions.

Then we drafted a different tall guy to pine over and Moye was suddenly forgotten forever. Weird how that works.

I don't recall people saying Moye>Wheaton.

I recall people saying Moye ought to be given a chance.

[lifelongsteel]

Forget the Sanders/Wheaton comparisons. I remember at least a few people trying to argue that Moye > Wheaton despite neither ever having done anything significant in a game. I was told I was crazy for picking Wheaton over Moye based purely on draft position because Moye had 2 career receptions.

Then we drafted a different tall guy to pine over and Moye was suddenly forgotten forever. Weird how that works.

I don't recall people saying Moye>Wheaton.

I recall people saying Moye ought to be given a chance.

Moye > Wheaton was a common argument a year ago.

Many were down on Wheaton from the get go because he was an AB/Manny clone and not the big red zone thread they wanted. Moye had the body to be that redzone threat.

[Legacy User]

Hitler was down on him due to his size.

Hitler likes tall receivers.

Edit: referring to the videos.

[jeemie]

Forget the Sanders/Wheaton comparisons. I remember at least a few people trying to argue that Moye > Wheaton despite neither ever having done anything significant in a game. I was told I was crazy for picking Wheaton over Moye based purely on draft position because Moye had 2 career receptions.

Then we drafted a different tall guy to pine over and Moye was suddenly forgotten forever. Weird how that works.

I don't recall people saying Moye>Wheaton.

I recall people saying Moye ought to be given a chance.

Moye > Wheaton was a common argument a year ago.

Many were down on Wheaton from the get go because he was an AB/Manny clone and not the big red zone thread they wanted. Moye had the body to be that redzone threat.

OK...I don't remember that but will take your word on it.

I was down on Wheaton...or not up on him...because he hadn't proved anything yet.

He definitely showed some promise Sunday, though.

Here's hoping he keeps it up.

[lifelongsteel]

OK...I don't remember that but will take your word on it.

I was down on Wheaton...or not up on him...because he hadn't proved anything yet.

He definitely showed some promise Sunday, though.

Here's hoping he keeps it up.

You are nothing if not consistent Jeems. Show me is your mantra. Agree on Wheaton - let's see him build from here.

[Legacy User]

OK...I don't remember that but will take your word on it.

I was down on Wheaton...or not up on him...because he hadn't proved anything yet.

He definitely showed some promise Sunday, though.

Here's hoping he keeps it up.

You are nothing if not consistent Jeems. Show me is your mantra. Agree on Wheaton - let's see him build from here.

We all should be encouraged and optimistic from his "body of work", if you will.

I saw no Limas Virus, no separation issues, etc.

How great would it be if what we saw Sunday is what to expect each week moving forward.

His career is in its infancy. I'm happy.

[Smashmouth21]

Wheaton looked damn good Sunday. Interested to see what he can muster for an encore.

[lifelongsteel]

Wheaton looked damn good Sunday. Interested to see what he can muster for an encore.

I'm hoping he's got some Holmes style Raven killer in him.

[Legacy User]

I'm probably more optimistic on this WR corp than most are.

Wheaton was an unknown coming in, but I wasn't a Sanders fan, here. I was ready for him to move on. He seems to be having some success in Denver, and God bless him for it. Seems like a good guy, so I'm going to root for him out there. But he just wasn't fitting in very well, here.

I'm hoping Moore can contribute. I watched him some with the Saints and liked him. Not a burner, not flashy, but dependable and intelligent. I think he'd work well with Ben's improvisation if he can stay healthy (and I know, that's not exactly his forte).

I was disappointed that Bryant wasn't ready to play. Would like to see him mixed in at some point. The sooner the better.

Not a DHB fan. Didn't like that signing. But hell, if he can be a #4/5 and run the occasional safety off, so be it.

Cotch looks like the biggest loss for this team. as it stands, but I wasn't willing to pay him what Carolina did.