Tomlin Presser 12:00 EST

[randomsteelerfan]

Get a grip? Really?

Are you going to disagree with my statement? The one about having too many players focused on the wrong things being detrimental?

And I didn't state that is the case with this team. Just said it's not good IF it's the case.

You actually made some of my point for me. Lockeroom immediately after the game was over and instead of being in the moment with his TEAM while the head coach is speaking AB slips off to Facebook like a 12 year old girl.

Ya, having more players thinking like that isn't a bad thing at all...

I don't disagree that what you describe would be a problem, if it existed. I don't think you're implying that this is a current problem in the Steelers locker, at all.

That being said, this is AB we are talking about. There's zero doubt in my mind that this behavior is exclusive to him. He is and has been all about himself. Tomlin has commented in the past that he has discussed the greater team perspective with him.

[955876]

Get a grip? Really?

Are you going to disagree with my statement? The one about having too many players focused on the wrong things being detrimental?

And I didn't state that is the case with this team. Just said it's not good IF it's the case.

You actually made some of my point for me. Lockeroom immediately after the game was over and instead of being in the moment with his TEAM while the head coach is speaking AB slips off to Facebook like a 12 year old girl.

Ya, having more players thinking like that isn't a bad thing at all...

This team has won nine straight games, and won the division on an all-time effort by Mr. Antonio "My Head is In the Wrong Place" Brown.

You don't do that without being focused.

I'm not going to worry about the players' focus based on one "slip-up".

Hopefully it is one slip up.

[Legacy User]

that's funny-- I didn't think he sounded frazzled... I think he sounded disappointed in AB early, and then excited about the challenge of the game in the latter parts of the Q&A. I'll bet MT was really fuckin mad at AB on Sun night.

Of course he was mad. Tomlin hears all of his critics in the media. The ones who think he's a cheerleader, think he inherited Ben and Cowher's team and rode the wave. The ones that think he's undisciplined, not "buttoned-up" and doesn't have control of his team. Then he gives his team a very specific speech about keeping a low profile during the week, not putting up any bulletin board material, and staying off social media all the while his star player is ignoring him and broadcasting this private moment live on social media. Of course he's pissed.

What he can't do is give the story more life, which he did. He called it "the elephant in the room" and spoke first about it and at length. He should have said nothing, when asked, called it a non-issue that he'll talk with Antonio about privately and reiterated that he's only concerned about preparing for New England. That's the message you want out and you want the players to hear. What he did was threw gasoline on the fire and created a bigger distraction that the media will now go seek out a response from his players. And as the talking heads will say, none of this would have happened under Belichick. Oh, and fuck apologizng for calling those assholes, assholes. No need to walk it back now.

Tomlin's opening speech came off to me as someone who values his personal image as sacred. As a person, father and role model, Tomlin doesn't want part of his legacy to be remember as a coach that stepped on the field to slow down a returner and one that called the competition *ssholes (followed by "f*cking"). My guess is he is more pissed at AB for what damage he did to his (Tomlin's) image than anything else. I do agree with perch, that by discussing it at length he has, in turn, added fuel to the fire. But, from Tomlin's perspective, he had no choice because it was his image he was defending and no one else is going to do that as controlled and well. Again, he showed how pissed he was at AB for putting him in that position. AB may have lost his seat at the adult table for a while.

Tomlin knows that ,unfortunately, in today's society, a person's life's work can be derailed by a few minor mistakes if the spotlight is shining too bright during the time in which they occurred.

you guys are crazy -- of course Tomlin had to address it -- if he didn't bring it up first, the media would've asked him 17,523 questions about it immediately when the Q&A started

Tomlin handled it great -- his "brand" is well intact! You guys crack me up about that!

[Legacy User]

Get a grip? Really?

Are you going to disagree with my statement? The one about having too many players focused on the wrong things being detrimental?

And I didn't state that is the case with this team. Just said it's not good IF it's the case.

You actually made some of my point for me. Lockeroom immediately after the game was over and instead of being in the moment with his TEAM while the head coach is speaking AB slips off to Facebook like a 12 year old girl.

Ya, having more players thinking like that isn't a bad thing at all...

This team has won nine straight games, and won the division on an all-time effort by Mr. Antonio "My Head is In the Wrong Place" Brown.

You don't do that without being focused.

I'm not going to worry about the players' focus based on one "slip-up".

Hopefully it is one slip up.

AB will "slip up" again with regard to selfishness and behavior -- of that, I have no doubt -- he has not changed in that regard since he entered the league

But I have no doubt about his performance on the field -- he's an all-time great

[jeemie]

You're not allowed to be happy. Or, you have to be happy in a certain way. An approved way. I'm not knocking his enthusiasm and excitement. It's how he focused on himself for the world to see and ignored his coach. Guys can be happy and show it. Its ok, and it doesn't have to be in a "sanctioned" way.

AB is a diva...of that there is no doubt.

The last things with him about which I am worried, however, are his work ethic and his focus.

Agreed on both -- a total fucking diva
and yes, incredible work ethic and top talent

But what he did was wrong, foolish, stupid, aggravating, and selfish, and it comes at the worst possible time, and it gives NE billboard material

The outcome of the game is not going to hang on this...stop assigning it more importance than it carries.

This is why the media does this shit.

[DP39]

that's funny-- I didn't think he sounded frazzled... I think he sounded disappointed in AB early, and then excited about the challenge of the game in the latter parts of the Q&A. I'll bet MT was really fuckin mad at AB on Sun night.

Of course he was mad. Tomlin hears all of his critics in the media. The ones who think he's a cheerleader, think he inherited Ben and Cowher's team and rode the wave. The ones that think he's undisciplined, not "buttoned-up" and doesn't have control of his team. Then he gives his team a very specific speech about keeping a low profile during the week, not putting up any bulletin board material, and staying off social media all the while his star player is ignoring him and broadcasting this private moment live on social media. Of course he's pissed.

What he can't do is give the story more life, which he did. He called it "the elephant in the room" and spoke first about it and at length. He should have said nothing, when asked, called it a non-issue that he'll talk with Antonio about privately and reiterated that he's only concerned about preparing for New England. That's the message you want out and you want the players to hear. What he did was threw gasoline on the fire and created a bigger distraction that the media will now go seek out a response from his players. And as the talking heads will say, none of this would have happened under Belichick. Oh, and fuck apologizng for calling those assholes, assholes. No need to walk it back now.

Tomlin's opening speech came off to me as someone who values his personal image as sacred. As a person, father and role model, Tomlin doesn't want part of his legacy to be remember as a coach that stepped on the field to slow down a returner and one that called the competition *ssholes (followed by "f*cking"). My guess is he is more pissed at AB for what damage he did to his (Tomlin's) image than anything else. I do agree with perch, that by discussing it at length he has, in turn, added fuel to the fire. But, from Tomlin's perspective, he had no choice because it was his image he was defending and no one else is going to do that as controlled and well. Again, he showed how pissed he was at AB for putting him in that position. AB may have lost his seat at the adult table for a while.

Tomlin knows that ,unfortunately, in today's society, a person's life's work can be derailed by a few minor mistakes if the spotlight is shining too bright during the time in which they occurred.

you guys are crazy -- of course Tomlin had to address it -- if he didn't bring it up first, the media would've asked him 17,523 questions about it immediately when the Q&A started

Tomlin handled it great -- his "brand" is well intact! You guys crack me up about that![/quote]
Nothing personal, but I don't think you have a great grasp on how today's modern media works. If there's a small fire it will usually go out by itself as the attention span of today's viewer is about 2.5 minutes and they are on to something else. If you add another log to the fire, or in Tomlin's case - three, it will burn brighter and longer. You can count on it. Best approach would have been what Perch suggested, but Tomlin was concerned with his image, so that got in the way somewhat.

[jeemie]

Meh- it wasn't perfectly disposing of the issue, but it will die down.

I bet Brown doesn't even really get "disciplined".

[Legacy User]

Best approach would have been what Perch suggested, but Tomlin was concerned with his image, so that got in the way somewhat.

maybe, maybe not.

I think Tomlin is a superstar as far as media goes.

If he retired today, every single major football media outlet would be dying to sign him to a $5-10M+/year contract to work for a few hours on weekends

[DP39]

Best approach would have been what Perch suggested, but Tomlin was concerned with his image, so that got in the way somewhat.

maybe, maybe not.

I think Tomlin is a superstar as far as media goes.

If he retired today, every single major football media outlet would be dying to sign him to a $5-10M+/year contract to work for a few hours on weekends

I don't disagree Steel, but I do think Tomlin is that concerned about his image/legacy.

[jeemie]

I don't disagree Steel, but I do think Tomlin is that concerned about his image/legacy.

His chance to cement his image and legacy is before him.

Win this damn game.

[bradshaw2ben]

David Todd (who was there) and others tweeting about how masterfully Tomlin handled the situation and PC.

I haven't heard the PC yet and I will but this made me laugh B2B, you always knock DT and now you conveniently agree with him when he says something complimentary about Tomlin.

I only used him as an example because he hates Tomlin and he was, in fact, there. I still think he's a toolbag.

[BethlehemSteel]

Of course he was mad. Tomlin hears all of his critics in the media. The ones who think he's a cheerleader, think he inherited Ben and Cowher's team and rode the wave. The ones that think he's undisciplined, not "buttoned-up" and doesn't have control of his team. Then he gives his team a very specific speech about keeping a low profile during the week, not putting up any bulletin board material, and staying off social media all the while his star player is ignoring him and broadcasting this private moment live on social media. Of course he's pissed.

What he can't do is give the story more life, which he did. He called it "the elephant in the room" and spoke first about it and at length. He should have said nothing, when asked, called it a non-issue that he'll talk with Antonio about privately and reiterated that he's only concerned about preparing for New England. That's the message you want out and you want the players to hear. What he did was threw gasoline on the fire and created a bigger distraction that the media will now go seek out a response from his players. And as the talking heads will say, none of this would have happened under Belichick. Oh, and fuck apologizng for calling those assholes, assholes. No need to walk it back now.

Tomlin's opening speech came off to me as someone who values his personal image as sacred. As a person, father and role model, Tomlin doesn't want part of his legacy to be remember as a coach that stepped on the field to slow down a returner and one that called the competition *ssholes (followed by "f*cking"). My guess is he is more pissed at AB for what damage he did to his (Tomlin's) image than anything else. I do agree with perch, that by discussing it at length he has, in turn, added fuel to the fire. But, from Tomlin's perspective, he had no choice because it was his image he was defending and no one else is going to do that as controlled and well. Again, he showed how pissed he was at AB for putting him in that position. AB may have lost his seat at the adult table for a while.

Tomlin knows that ,unfortunately, in today's society, a person's life's work can be derailed by a few minor mistakes if the spotlight is shining too bright during the time in which they occurred.

you guys are crazy -- of course Tomlin had to address it -- if he didn't bring it up first, the media would've asked him 17,523 questions about it immediately when the Q&A started

Tomlin handled it great -- his "brand" is well intact! You guys crack me up about that!

He started off with I'll Address the Elephant in the Room I think he said same thing last week.

[Legacy User]

Recently “A Football Life – Chuck Noll” aired. Chuck was a true leader of men. The Emperor was a Renaissance man well ahead of his time. Chuck played for Paul Brown and worked under Sid Gilman and Don Shula. Chuck learned and knew “whatever it took” to win. During this episode, many players spoke of Chuck’s greatness, including but not limited to #12 and #75. #12 ultimately said that Chuck is vastly underrated as an all time great head coach and that Chuck made Terry tough! #75 said that the Steelers under Chuck didn’t waste time with bullshit (75’s exact word). These Steelers showed up, DID THEIR JOBS (sound familiar), kicked ass and took names – they won it all and won it often.

Dinosaur that I am I roamed the earth during this golden era of Steeler domination. I saw two receivers (#82 and #88) who made catches every bit as (if not more) impressive than those of #84; and, some of those catches were in Super Bowls when they counted for even more. Oddly, I don’t recall either #82 or #88 ever getting a 15-yard celebration penalty cause, if they had, Chuck Noll would have seen to it that it was their last such self-indulgent offense– that is, if #75 and the rest of the Steel Curtain didn’t rebuke the offending party before Chuck had to do so.

Actually, the blame properly lies on the man who wears those cool shades. Mike Tomlin is a player’s coach. He wants his guys to like him. That’s why he has defended AB’s end zone antics even after multiple times those antics cost the team 15 yards. So far, those penalties haven’t cost this team a win; but, that time may be coming soon and very soon. The next two games will be hard fought and tightly contested and any self-sabotage may be the difference between a ring and disheartening exit.

Frankly, Mike Tomlin should have known that tolerating undesirable self-glorification vs. promoting team-oriented conduct would lead to even more undesirable results – ignoring his coach and #7 whilst they addressed the team and filming for posterity (and his adoring fan base on anti-social media) a speech not intended for public viewing. Yes, Gentlemen, eventually one does reap what one sows. I'd bet that one reason perhaps that Belichick doesn't generally hire diva WR's is because he doesn't want divas pissing on the Patriot Way; you know, what once was the Steeler Way. Well, I guess the standard is today's standard and not THE standard anymore.

[jeemie]

Recently “A Football Life – Chuck Noll” aired. Chuck was a true leader of men. The Emperor was a Renaissance man well ahead of his time. Chuck played for Paul Brown and worked under Sid Gilman and Don Shula. Chuck learned and knew “whatever it took” to win. During this episode, many players spoke of Chuck’s greatness, including but not limited to #12 and #75. #12 ultimately said that Chuck is vastly underrated as an all time great head coach and that Chuck made Terry tough! #75 said that the Steelers under Chuck didn’t waste time with bullshit (75’s exact word). These Steelers showed up, DID THEIR JOBS (sound familiar), kicked ass and took names – they won it all and won it often.

Dinosaur that I am I roamed the earth during this golden era of Steeler domination. I saw two receivers (#82 and #88) who made catches every bit as (if not more) impressive than those of #84; and, some of those catches were in Super Bowls when they counted for even more. Oddly, I don’t recall either #82 or #88 ever getting a 15-yard celebration penalty cause, if they had, Chuck Noll would have seen to it that it was their last such self-indulgent offense– that is, if #75 and the rest of the Steel Curtain didn’t rebuke the offending party before Chuck had to do so.

Actually, the blame properly lies on the man who wears those cool shades. Mike Tomlin is a player’s coach. He wants his guys to like him. That’s why he has defended AB’s end zone antics even after multiple times those antics cost the team 15 yards. So far, those penalties haven’t cost this team a win; but, that time may be coming soon and very soon. The next two games will be hard fought and tightly contested and any self-sabotage may be the difference between a ring and disheartening exit.

Frankly, Mike Tomlin should have known that tolerating undesirable self-glorification vs. promoting team-oriented conduct would lead to even more undesirable results – ignoring his coach and #7 whilst they addressed the team and filming for posterity (and his adoring fan base on anti-social media) a speech not intended for public viewing. Yes, Gentlemen, eventually one does reap what one sows. I'd bet that one reason perhaps that Belichick doesn't generally hire diva WR's is because he doesn't want divas pissing on the Patriot Way; you know, what once was the Steeler Way. Well, I guess the standard is today's standard and not THE standard anymore.

Lynn Swann and John Stallworth had a choreographed touchdown celebration they did every time one or the other of them scored. That celebration would be penalized today.

My guess is, though, if that had been the case back then, they wouldn't have done it.

[jeemie]

BTW, Tomlin probably did strike the right tone...couldn't really shrug it off as a perch suggested.

Since it is technically a violation of NFL policy, he had to come down hard.

I have even seen a couple of reporters lambaste Brown and say it was a "benchable offense" (even as they admitted Tomlin couldn't bench him for the AFCCG...they suggested the first game next season).

So he couldn't sweep it under the rug as Perch suggested, I don't think.

[BethlehemSteel]

He couldn't sweep it under

Took it head on and with harsh tone

[swissvale72]

No gasoline, no fire...this will have zero effect on Sunday's game.

Let's remember....Mike Tomlin has an Exceedingly Well-Developed Line of Bullshit....the dude obviously likes to talk. But guess what....today's presser went for about 30 minutes....same amount of time as last week's, the one the week before that, and the one the week before that.

[randomsteelerfan]

Best approach would have been what Perch suggested, but Tomlin was concerned with his image, so that got in the way somewhat.

maybe, maybe not.

I think Tomlin is a superstar as far as media goes.

If he retired today, every single major football media outlet would be dying to sign him to a $5-10M+/year contract to work for a few hours on weekends

I don't disagree Steel, but I do think Tomlin is that concerned about his image/legacy.

I don't know that I'd characterize it as concerned about his image. Listen to what he said. Not only about this incident but about Peezys, too.

He takes the role model aspect of being in the public eye very seriously. When so many young, impressionable kids hang on everything athletes and coaches say and do, he takes that to heart, imo.

Personally, i think it's refreshing. Whether athletes and coaches should or shouldn't be role models is irrelevant. They are front and center due to social media and the speed and ease with which news travels. He seems to really take that seriously.

[jeemie]

No gasoline, no fire...this will have zero effect on Sunday's game.

Let's remember....Mike Tomlin has an Exceedingly Well-Developed Line of Bullshit....the dude obviously likes to talk. But guess what....today's presser went for about 30 minutes....same amount of time as last week's, the one the week before that, and the one the week before that.

But the PREP TIME was ENORMOUS, I'm sure.

So Tomlin's secret playbook of winning plays has been neglected.

[Legacy User]

Lynn Swann and John Stallworth had a choreographed touchdown celebration they did every time one or the other of them scored. That celebration would be penalized today.

My guess is, though, if that had been the case back then, they wouldn't have done it.

I remember that move. They'd smack each other's hands and then one/both would twirl in the air. The first time either/both was/were penalized would definitely have been the last, IMHO.

As far as I know (I hope I don't miss any names), those coaches who've won multiple SBs include Noll, Belichick, Gibbs, Walsh, Lombardi, Landry, Shula, Flores, Johnson, Parcells, Shanahan, Siefert and Coughlin. Most of these coaches were all about taking care of team business (i.e. winning). Most of these guys would have stopped bullshit before it got too far out of hand.

[jeemie]

Lynn Swann and John Stallworth had a choreographed touchdown celebration they did every time one or the other of them scored. That celebration would be penalized today.

My guess is, though, if that had been the case back then, they wouldn't have done it.

I remember that move. They'd smack each other's hands and then one/both would twirl in the air. The first time either/both was/were penalized would definitely have been the last, IMHO.

As far as I know (I hope I don't miss any names), those coaches who've won multiple SBs include Noll, Belichick, Gibbs, Walsh, Lombardi, Landry, Shula, Flores, Johnson, Parcells, Shanahan, Siefert and Coughlin. Most of these coaches were all about taking care of team business (i.e. winning). Most of these guys would have stopped bullshit before it got too far out of hand.

Belichick has had to deal with Gronk's and Edelman's antics, and had a murderer on his team. He's not immune.

It's a different age.

[randomsteelerfan]

Recently “A Football Life – Chuck Noll” aired. Chuck was a true leader of men. The Emperor was a Renaissance man well ahead of his time. Chuck played for Paul Brown and worked under Sid Gilman and Don Shula. Chuck learned and knew “whatever it took” to win. During this episode, many players spoke of Chuck’s greatness, including but not limited to #12 and #75. #12 ultimately said that Chuck is vastly underrated as an all time great head coach and that Chuck made Terry tough! #75 said that the Steelers under Chuck didn’t waste time with bullshit (75’s exact word). These Steelers showed up, DID THEIR JOBS (sound familiar), kicked ass and took names – they won it all and won it often.

Dinosaur that I am I roamed the earth during this golden era of Steeler domination. I saw two receivers (#82 and #88) who made catches every bit as (if not more) impressive than those of #84; and, some of those catches were in Super Bowls when they counted for even more. Oddly, I don’t recall either #82 or #88 ever getting a 15-yard celebration penalty cause, if they had, Chuck Noll would have seen to it that it was their last such self-indulgent offense– that is, if #75 and the rest of the Steel Curtain didn’t rebuke the offending party before Chuck had to do so.

Actually, the blame properly lies on the man who wears those cool shades. Mike Tomlin is a player’s coach. He wants his guys to like him. That’s why he has defended AB’s end zone antics even after multiple times those antics cost the team 15 yards. So far, those penalties haven’t cost this team a win; but, that time may be coming soon and very soon. The next two games will be hard fought and tightly contested and any self-sabotage may be the difference between a ring and disheartening exit.

Frankly, Mike Tomlin should have known that tolerating undesirable self-glorification vs. promoting team-oriented conduct would lead to even more undesirable results – ignoring his coach and #7 whilst they addressed the team and filming for posterity (and his adoring fan base on anti-social media) a speech not intended for public viewing. Yes, Gentlemen, eventually one does reap what one sows. I'd bet that one reason perhaps that Belichick doesn't generally hire diva WR's is because he doesn't want divas pissing on the Patriot Way; you know, what once was the Steeler Way. Well, I guess the standard is today's standard and not THE standard anymore.

You are romanticizing Noll and the 70 Steelers a bit much and being overly harsh in "reaping what you sow" for Tomlin, as well. Its a different age and the mentality you're describing doesn't even fly in Belichickland.

[jeemie]

Oh...and don't forget Ernie Holmes shooting up a highway in Ohio.

And Joe Greene kicking a player in the nuts, and throwing a temper tantrum and quitting (for a day).

Noll wasn't immune either.

[Steelafan77]

I especially loved the end of the conference.

Reporter: Mike you and the patriots have been two of the premier teams in the AFC; you haven't had to go through them (cheats) through the AFCCG before to get to the Super Bowl. Can you talk about their organization and whether its respect or admiration, animosity as a rival? Mike, "Aw man professional respect, competitive animosity... they haven't had to go through us either since I've been here so um... Stay Tuned." I love it!

[Legacy User]

Recently “A Football Life – Chuck Noll” aired. Chuck was a true leader of men. The Emperor was a Renaissance man well ahead of his time. Chuck played for Paul Brown and worked under Sid Gilman and Don Shula. Chuck learned and knew “whatever it took” to win. During this episode, many players spoke of Chuck’s greatness, including but not limited to #12 and #75. #12 ultimately said that Chuck is vastly underrated as an all time great head coach and that Chuck made Terry tough! #75 said that the Steelers under Chuck didn’t waste time with bullshit (75’s exact word). These Steelers showed up, DID THEIR JOBS (sound familiar), kicked ass and took names – they won it all and won it often.

Dinosaur that I am I roamed the earth during this golden era of Steeler domination. I saw two receivers (#82 and #88) who made catches every bit as (if not more) impressive than those of #84; and, some of those catches were in Super Bowls when they counted for even more. Oddly, I don’t recall either #82 or #88 ever getting a 15-yard celebration penalty cause, if they had, Chuck Noll would have seen to it that it was their last such self-indulgent offense– that is, if #75 and the rest of the Steel Curtain didn’t rebuke the offending party before Chuck had to do so.

Actually, the blame properly lies on the man who wears those cool shades. Mike Tomlin is a player’s coach. He wants his guys to like him. That’s why he has defended AB’s end zone antics even after multiple times those antics cost the team 15 yards. So far, those penalties haven’t cost this team a win; but, that time may be coming soon and very soon. The next two games will be hard fought and tightly contested and any self-sabotage may be the difference between a ring and disheartening exit.

Frankly, Mike Tomlin should have known that tolerating undesirable self-glorification vs. promoting team-oriented conduct would lead to even more undesirable results – ignoring his coach and #7 whilst they addressed the team and filming for posterity (and his adoring fan base on anti-social media) a speech not intended for public viewing. Yes, Gentlemen, eventually one does reap what one sows. I'd bet that one reason perhaps that Belichick doesn't generally hire diva WR's is because he doesn't want divas pissing on the Patriot Way; you know, what once was the Steeler Way. Well, I guess the standard is today's standard and not THE standard anymore.

You are romanticizing Noll and the 70 Steelers a bit much and being overly harsh in "reaping what you sow" for Tomlin, as well. Its a different age and the mentality you're describing doesn't even fly in Belichickland.

1. I'm not romanticizing anything or anyone. Chuck Noll and the 70 Steelers won back-to-back titles twice in a 6 year span. Before Chuck Noll this franchise was an absolute joke.

2. Tomlin is reaping what he's sown. AB continues to search for that line beyond which he won't be permitted to cross.

3. Excusing inexcusable conduct by saying we live in a different age with a mentality that doesn't fly is not an indictment on my expectations/standards. Lowering the bar is much easier than raising the bar.

And as for Ernie Holmes, what he did was after he retired.

And as for Joe Greene, what he did was during his first or second year as a Steeler. Joe admitted that once Noll made him a captain that Joe came to understand he couldn't be a loose canon anymore...that Joe had to set a better example for others.

[FortyThree]

I still think he's a toolbag.

David Todd?

Yep.

[jeemie]

Holmes' incident happened in 1973. He retired in 1977.

Greene almost quit in 1974...his sixth season...and the year the Steelers won the Super Bowl for the first year.

He kicked the guy in the nuts in 1975.

[Legacy User]

Holmes' incident happened in 1973. He retired in 1977.

Greene almost quit in 1974...his sixth season...and the year the Steelers won the Super Bowl for the first year.

He kicked the guy in the nuts in 1975.

Rewind the tape. In 1974, Greene watched a Monday Night Football game where the Dolphins (then the 2-time defending champs) dominated their competition. Greene wondered why the Steelers couldn't quite be that good. He packed his stuff, and as he was leaving the building he said he hoped somebody would stop him. Lionel Taylor (I think) did stop him and talked him down off the ledge. The Steelers went on to win their first SB that year.

As for extra curriculars on the field, MJG was a wild stallion when he was first drafted. He picked up a ball in Philly and tossed it into the stands. The Rooneys were thrilled to see this passion. As for kicking a Brown in the Nuts in 1975, that's a little different than ongoing end zone celebrations that cost your team 15 yards. BTW, you forgot to mention the 1976 Denver playoff game where he slugged Paul Howard in the gut. Figured I'd save you some time.

[swissvale72]

Holmes' incident happened in 1973. He retired in 1977.

Greene almost quit in 1974...his sixth season...and the year the Steelers won the Super Bowl for the first year.

He kicked the guy in the nuts in 1975.

Rewind the tape. In 1974, Greene watched a Monday Night Football game where the Dolphins (then the 2-time defending champs) dominated their competition. Greene wondered why the Steelers couldn't quite be that good. He packed his stuff, and as he was leaving the building he said he hoped somebody would stop him. Lionel Taylor (I think) did stop him and talked him down off the ledge. The Steelers went on to win their first SB that year.

As for extra curriculars on the field, MJG was a wild stallion when he was first drafted. He picked up a ball in Philly and tossed it into the stands. The Rooneys were thrilled to see this passion. As for kicking a Brown in the Nuts in 1975, that's a little different than ongoing end zone celebrations that cost your team 15 yards. BTW, you forgot to mention the 1976 Denver playoff game where he slugged Paul Howard in the gut. Figured I'd save you some time.

Actually, MJG was a serial nut-kicker. There was the Brown in '75 (Bob DeMarco?), but he also kicked the Vikes Jim Vellone in the nuts during his rookie year, '69. The Paul Howard solar plexus punch was in the '77 playoffs....Christmas Eve.

[BethlehemSteel]

I especially loved the end of the conference.

Reporter: Mike you and the patriots have been two of the premier teams in the AFC; you haven't had to go through them (cheats) through the AFCCG before to get to the Super Bowl. Can you talk about their organization and whether its respect or admiration, animosity as a rival? Mike, "Aw man professional respect, competitive animosity... they haven't had to go through us either since I've been here so um... Stay Tuned." I love it!

I loved that too.

They seem to be locked in