Fury's Social Statement

[Nick79]

I'm glad you admit that you're probably not right.

I'm not saying that "I'm probably not right", I'm saying there is no RIGHT. What I think is right, is different than what you think. I think the state of NJ gave an adequate punishment, do you? If you say no, then your right is different from mine.

Sure you are. If there is no right answer, then your answer certainly isn't right. Toodles.

OK, you got me

Now if you tell me your answer is right, then I'd be mad

[swissvale72]

I'm opening up a social can of worms. I can't stand Goodell as most know. However, I wonder why so much hate is given towards the NFL or any other sports league when players fuck up.

17 women Senators sent a letter to the NFL arguing a zero tolerance domestic violence policy. I'm not opposed to that but I wonder why the courts or judicial system isn't under fire. They are the ones fucking things up. There is a good chance that General Dynamics has as much domestic violence happening compared to the NFL. They have more employees so statistically they should have more incidents. Why don't the legislatures demand zero tolerance to the CEO of GD?

In my mind, Rice was convicted in a court of law and the system basically let him walk with a misdemeanor. The NFL, in my opinion, responded in kind with a two game suspension. To me, that seems proportional.

How did all this shit become the NFL's problem? The judicial system is what is soft.

I'm sure I'll clear this thread out tomorrow but I thought it is relevant and wanted to open this up for a civil (who am I kidding) debate.

The part that wasn't proportional though, was Rice getting two games for knocking his GF unconscious while other players are out the whole year for weed.

As far as the senators, I really do hate when Congress, rather than tending to figuring out shit like ISIS, the Ukraine, the economy, etc. puts their noses into the sports leagues, whether it be this issue or steroids in baseball....if anyone gives a fuck. My question for the 17 senators would be....Nice as fuck for you to get back to work after FIVE WEEKS OFF. Where the fuck you been?

Problem is that guys like Rice, all of these athletes, have NEVER needed to follow the rules, never been any consequence for their behavior. I think that's where the problem lies.

What I mean about proportional is a court of law, that saw all the evidence, deemed this a misdemeanor. The NFL thought that 2 games was equivalent to that conviction (right or wrong). My issue is that the NFL is getting hammered and they probably took more action than the court system did to deter future incidents. Yet the NFL is the bad guy and the court system is untouched.

How come Hollywood isn't under fire? They fuck up just as bad but you don't see congress going after the actor's guild or anything.

Want to know the profession that has tons of domestic crime? Your military.

Right...the NFL's response was proportional in context of the court system, but disproportional in context of its own supposed standards and actions, whereby a QB who's never even charged with a crime is suspended for 6 games, and players are suspended for a year for weed offenses.

[Legacy User]

Right...the NFL's response was proportional in context of the court system, but disproportional in context of its own supposed standards and actions, whereby a QB who's never even charged with a crime is suspended for 6 games, and players are suspended for a year for weed offenses.

How was it proportional, Swiss? I have no idea what measure is used to decide how many games suspended is proportional to what crime. I doubt the NFL central offices do either.

[Nick79]

Right...the NFL's response was proportional in context of the court system, but disproportional in context of its own supposed standards and actions, whereby a QB who's never even charged with a crime is suspended for 6 games, and players are suspended for a year for weed offenses.

How was it proportional, Swiss? I have no idea what measure is used to decide how many games suspended is proportional to what crime. I doubt the NFL central offices do either.

Part of why they shouldn't be in the crime punishment business at all.

Let teams punish their own players, as independent employers, if they want to, or not, if they don't want to,

Some here say they'd be fired by their employers for this kind of stuff, I'm 100% sure my employer fires nobody for this sort of stuff, so let the employer decide.

[Legacy User]

Right...the NFL's response was proportional in context of the court system, but disproportional in context of its own supposed standards and actions, whereby a QB who's never even charged with a crime is suspended for 6 games, and players are suspended for a year for weed offenses.

How was it proportional, Swiss? I have no idea what measure is used to decide how many games suspended is proportional to what crime. I doubt the NFL central offices do either.

Part of why they shouldn't be in the crime punishment business at all.

Let teams punish their own players, as independent employers, if they want to, or not, if they don't want to,

Some here say they'd be fired by their employers for this kind of stuff, I'm 100% sure my employer fires nobody for this sort of stuff, so let the employer decide.

We can't be the only two confused by it. I'm not going to say that the NFL should never suspend players. It's a business and has rights to do as it sees fit in this regard, but I honestly have no clue how you make games banned commensurate with a legal punishment or indictment. The NFL is just arbitrarily making shit up.

[Nick79]

The NFL is just arbitrarily making shit up.

Yup, Leave it to the teams. that would be interesting. Myself, as a team, I wouldn't suspend anybody. Why not just fine them? I mean James Harrison was getting fined $75,000 a week for hard hits, why not fine Ray Rice $100,000 or a game check or two and send the money as a donation to a battered women's shelter instead of firing or suspending him? That would be more productive.

[Legacy User]

Two further points.

Even in the face of this media onslaught I've yet to hear of a buyer cancel an advertising contract with the NFL. And it sure looks to me that if anything ratings are enhanced by media of any type. Ratings went up with an active serial killer, serial rapist, and some of you heckled me when I said ratings would be up for the Steelers vs Ravens...and they were 108% greater then last years Thursday opener

I really don't think corporate America be giving a fuck unless these kunt feminists start a boycott on advertisers.

As to the proportionality of Rices punishment...lets put it in dollars and cents, and jail time.

Average Joe- Approx $3200 no jail

Rice original penalty- Approx $503,200 no jail

[Nick79]

As to the proportionality of Rices punishment...lets put it in dollars and cents, and jail time.

Average Joe- Approx $3200 no jail

Rice original penalty- Approx $503,200 no jail

That's what I'm talking about! Maybe it's the NFL trying to be super hero? Coming in and giving the really tough punishments that many people wish the legal system would give!

[swissvale72]

Right...the NFL's response was proportional in context of the court system, but disproportional in context of its own supposed standards and actions, whereby a QB who's never even charged with a crime is suspended for 6 games, and players are suspended for a year for weed offenses.

How was it proportional, Swiss? I have no idea what measure is used to decide how many games suspended is proportional to what crime. I doubt the NFL central offices do either.

You're right, Lit. I was ceding the proportionality to the criminal justice system sans much thought honestly. My more emphatic point was its disproportionality to the NFL's own previous actions.

[swissvale72]

As to the proportionality of Rices punishment...lets put it in dollars and cents, and jail time.

Average Joe- Approx $3200 no jail

Rice original penalty- Approx $503,200 no jail

That's what I'm talking about! Maybe it's the NFL trying to be super hero? Coming in and giving the really tough punishments that many people wish the legal system would give!

So now the two of you are commencing a narrative that suggests the NFL really came down hard on Rice, originally. I'd say that's un-freakin'-believable...except it isn't.

[Legacy User]

Then personally, I would like to see some outlaw league sprout up out of nowhere. The time might be right, for a bad ass anti-family values league (that admits it!) that promotes drinking, partying and old school, dangerous on field play.

Maybe Vince McMahon can fire up his old league. A real football league without all the pussy rules would definitely make me shift my viewing. If the team continues to suck ass I would even watch the real football instead of the Steelers. Cheerleaders on stripper poles. Commercials like Ray Rice styling Fruit of the Loom wife beaters and Steve Young selling cough syrup would be great. Fans in Colo and Washington State would be encouraged to bring their bongs. To say nothing of the post games celebrations on the field. All that and more but with real football.
The only change I would make great hits like Deebo on Massaquoi worth a point or knock a point off the offenses score. Some final scores with negative points would be cool and in all cases well deserved..

[StillMadAtSlobber]

17 women Senators sent a letter to the NFL arguing a zero tolerance domestic violence policy. I'm not opposed to that but I wonder why the courts or judicial system isn't under fire. They are the ones fucking things up. There is a good chance that General Dynamics has as much domestic violence happening compared to the NFL. They have more employees so statistically they should have more incidents. Why don't the legislatures demand zero tolerance to the CEO of GD?

GD doesnt extort municipalities into higher tax rates to support the construction of their facilities every couple of years. While there are obviously arguments over corporate welfare, it isnt the brazen public money grab accompanied by threats that is repeated with the frequency of the NFL.

[StillMadAtSlobber]

On one hand, playing in the NFL is a privilege and some of these ass holes don't deserve it.

Playing is the NFL is LESS of a privilege and MORE of a right, than most other jobs, because an NFL job is way harder to EARN than a typical job.

Unadulterated bullshit.

[Legacy User]

In another indication of the hit to the NFL's reputation, major sponsor Anheuser-Busch is expressing concern over the league's handling of the recent domestic violence and child abuse charges facing active players.

Anheuser-Busch, the official beer of the NFL since 2011, previously had declined to comment on the Ray Rice and Adrian Peterson cases, among others. But Tuesday, an A-B spokesperson released this statement:

"We are disappointed and increasingly concerned by the recent incidents that have overshadowed this NFL season. We are not yet satisfied with the league's handling of behaviors that so clearly go against our own company culture and moral code. We have shared our concerns and expectations with the league."

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nf ... /15726217/

[Nick79]

On one hand, playing in the NFL is a privilege and some of these ass holes don't deserve it.

Playing is the NFL is LESS of a privilege and MORE of a right, than most other jobs, because an NFL job is way harder to EARN than a typical job.

Unadulterated bullshit.

No TOTALLY ACCURATE FACT!

Let's cut anybody that ever got a jay walking ticket to make sure we have good character and watch games played by 25 year olds with high school talent! can't wait! I'm sure the advertisers will love the ratings!

[Nick79]

17 women Senators sent a letter to the NFL arguing a zero tolerance domestic violence policy. I'm not opposed to that but I wonder why the courts or judicial system isn't under fire. They are the ones fucking things up. There is a good chance that General Dynamics has as much domestic violence happening compared to the NFL. They have more employees so statistically they should have more incidents. Why don't the legislatures demand zero tolerance to the CEO of GD?

GD doesnt extort municipalities into higher tax rates to support the construction of their facilities every couple of years. While there are obviously arguments over corporate welfare, it isnt the brazen public money grab accompanied by threats that is repeated with the frequency of the NFL.

Then why don't these senators act to take away their anti-trust exemption and tax them? That's a better idea.

[955876]

Obviously Nick doesn't know the difference between the terms "privilege" and "right"

Websters is your friend.

[Steelafan77]

In another indication of the hit to the NFL's reputation, major sponsor Anheuser-Busch is expressing concern over the league's handling of the recent domestic violence and child abuse charges facing active players.

Anheuser-Busch, the official beer of the NFL since 2011, previously had declined to comment on the Ray Rice and Adrian Peterson cases, among others. But Tuesday, an A-B spokesperson released this statement:

"We are disappointed and increasingly concerned by the recent incidents that have overshadowed this NFL season. We are not yet satisfied with the league's handling of behaviors that so clearly go against our own company culture and moral code. We have shared our concerns and expectations with the league."

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nf ... /15726217/

I believe Anheuser Busch has billion dollar deal going with the NFL currently, right? Uh Oh! Fucking with the bottom line isn't going to go over very well with franchise owners. They're going to need a fall guy. Hmmm....

[Thrillsseeker]

[Kodiak]

I believe Anheuser Busch has billion dollar deal going with the NFL currently, right? Uh Oh! Fucking with the bottom line isn't going to go over very well with franchise owners. They're going to need a fall guy. Hmmm....

This is pretty hilarious when you consider how many DV issues have BLD as a contributing factor

[SteelPro]

Is the social responsibility being placed on the league to police these things unfair? Yes and no, but this isn't the NFL getting singled out. The higher the profile the higher the heat. If I pop my wife in a casino I'm likely not getting fired. But if the CEO of the company I work for does there is little doubt in my mind he'd be gone.