Reg. Season # 5: Steelers vs. Jaguars Game Comments

[Kodiak]

You won't need to pay - I think it comes with game pass.

I don't have game pass. I have subscribed for a week here and there. I'm assuming I can do another week and get at least this game's all-22.

[stinger8]

I'm trying to be diplomatic and generous and presume Kodiak knows a lot more about football than me.

But Ben looked like shit to me.

Then go breakdown the all-22 and make me look like a fool. I'll wait. I'll bow down. Show me where Ben didn't make throws you expect of a HOF QB. Show me where the problem is Ben and I'll admit you know more football than me. What you're going to see is an offense that relies on a QB - and receivers, for that matter - making plays on throws into impossibly small windows.


PLEASE....you guys have been bitching about Ben for 3 games, at least. Go break down the all-22, create a thread, and we will debate. Otherwise we assume you're just being drunk and stupid. You all talk about breaking down the all-22, but we never see it. I would like to see some objective evidence to refute what I see watching the game.

Kodiak you had the audacity to use the word OBJECTIVE. That's rich

[stinger8]

I'm trying to be diplomatic and generous and presume Kodiak knows a lot more about football than me.

But Ben looked like shit to me.

Then go breakdown the all-22 and make me look like a fool. I'll wait. I'll bow down. Show me where Ben didn't make throws you expect of a HOF QB. Show me where the problem is Ben and I'll admit you know more football than me. What you're going to see is an offense that relies on a QB - and receivers, for that matter - making plays on throws into impossibly small windows.


PLEASE....you guys have been bitching about Ben for 3 games, at least. Go break down the all-22, create a thread, and we will debate. Otherwise we assume you're just being drunk and stupid. You all talk about breaking down the all-22, but we never see it. I would like to see some objective evidence to refute what I see watching the game.

I don't care enough. I'll probably just go with my uniformed opinion. In my defense I'm not drinking so it must be stupidity on my part. I never look at all 22 and do not even know how you would go about getting it.

Ben looks fucking terrible.

Lit trust your eyes. Bortles threw for 95 yards, 95 fuckin yards and we got crushed. The D is soft at the point of attack, our O lne is mediocre at best supposed to be a strength and the QB is definitely regressing. It is what it is, and yes I am a few Negroni's in and still pretty happy all and all.

[steelmann58]

They ran when they needed to and the Steelers could not stop them. The offense was bad still not sure why they tried to pass on the number one defense instead of running the ball.

[stinger8]

They ran when they needed to and the Steelers could not stop them. The offense was bad still not sure why they tried to pass on the number one defense instead of running the ball.

They passed because and you can be sure that if they did not pass HALEY is a fucking moron running when he has a hof qb and all those weapons. If they ran for 300 yards and won 17 14 Haley would be excoriated for not unleashing the high octane offense.

[Legacy User]

They ran when they needed to and the Steelers could not stop them. The offense was bad still not sure why they tried to pass on the number one defense instead of running the ball.

ben passed for 100 and 2 tds for jax..all they needed..

[Kodiak]

Kodiak you had the audacity to use the word OBJECTIVE. That's rich

And, yet, no one else wants to examine the all-22. I AM being objective, and willing to be convinced otherwise. Apparently few other people are.

Yes, Ben sucks for not being able to consistently throw into a 12"x12" box. Happy now?

[MemphisSteelerFan]

just watched A Rodgers take his team the length of the field with a min and a half left in the game with no problem. He even had an 18 yard run for a first down to beat the Cowboys. That is the only good thing that happened today. The stinkin Cowturds lost.

Anyway, I remember when Ben used to be able to just take his team right down the field and score. To be honest I used to think that Ben should be mentioned in the same breath as Rodgers and even Brady--at least until Brady got his 5th ring. But now, I honestly wonder if Ben even has it anymore. He was terse and borderline smart ass with the media after the game. I know its no fun facing the media after your worst game in your career that cost your team a win, but he was right on the edge of being just a punk smart ass.

And now after watching what ARodgers just did ON THE ROAD with 1:30 left in the game, I know that Ben should NOT be mentioned in the same breath as Rodgers. He is most definitely a notch or 2 below him and Brady and the gap is getting bigger and bigger after games like today.

Rodgers was INCREDIBLE. Ben was HORRIBLE

[MemphisSteelerFan]

Kodiak you had the audacity to use the word OBJECTIVE. That's rich

And, yet, no one else wants to examine the all-22. I AM being objective, and willing to be convinced otherwise. Apparently few other people are.

Yes, Ben sucks for not being able to consistently throw into a 12"x12" box. Happy now?

Hey Kodiak, I hear ya about Ben. I am not saying he is a BAD QB overall. He still has his good qualities. He is the best PIT has right now. Yes, he had an atrocious game today. If he was a RB or a DB, I would say he has lost a step. I think father time is catching up with him. He has made plenty of money and now he has a family. I just dont see the urgency and the fire that he used to have.

After cooling down and analyzing the interceptions he threw, a couple were tipped balls. His arm did get hit on one of them. Now one of them, he threw way way too high and the 5th one, well......he was desperate and took a shot in the endzone. Dont fault him too much for that one.

One thing I think is the overall problem is Todd Haley. The man has a bunch of weapons at his disposal and this is the best he can come up with???? Honestly, I know that Tomlin is here to stay for quite a while but it just seems that the Haley/Roethlisberger combo has failed overall. Sure they have had their moments from time to time but overall, it just has not worked. I think Haley needs to go. That would shake up the team enough to let them know that Mr Rooney is serious about this being a SB contender. Ben of today is just not the Ben of a few seasons ago. He just seems to be missing something.

[MemphisSteelerFan]

They ran when they needed to and the Steelers could not stop them. The offense was bad still not sure why they tried to pass on the number one defense instead of running the ball.

what I cant understand is why they didnt just try to pound the ball over and over and over. On the Steelers Radio post game, they were talking about how JAX has the worst run defense in the league and the best pass defense. That could be because teams run so much on them, they dont need to pass so the passing defense stats get inflated. Anyway, we are supposed to have one of the top 2 or 3 RBs in the whole league and supposedly we have one of the top 3 OLines (I just dont believe that but that is what was being said on the Steeler radio post game show) in the league and we did not do enough to establish the run.

All that is on Haley. I have no idea what he hell he was thinking. But Bell is not contributing enough. No other receiver is contributing enough besides AB. It mainly just deteriorates into simply Ben and AB against the other team with no help from anybody else. Its Haley's job to fix that.

[Orangesteel]

Haley and Tomlin have no fucking clue what they are doing out there. Period.

I’ll give some credit to Butler because I think he has his unit playing pretty well for the most part, but there is zero leadership at the top.

You want to talk about execution? How about the lack of execution from the coaching staff. Penalties, poor clock management, poor in game decision making, bad game planning, all of it, well below the line.

[Legacy User]

Haley and Tomlin have no fucking clue what they are doing out there. Period.

I’ll give some credit to Butler because I think he has his unit playing pretty well for the most part, but there is zero leadership at the top.

You want to talk about execution? How about the lack of execution from the coaching staff. Penalties, poor clock management, poor in game decision making, bad game planning, all of it, well below the line.

I agree with this Orange except I'm about ready to include Butler with Tomlin/Haley. His unit is getting destroyed via the run over and over this season.

[W&M_Steeler]

And now after watching what ARodgers just did ON THE ROAD with 1:30 left in the game, I know that Ben should NOT be mentioned in the same breath as Rodgers. He is most definitely a notch or 2 below him and Brady and the gap is getting bigger and bigger after games like today.

Rodgers was INCREDIBLE. Ben was HORRIBLE

I think it's been clear that Rodgers is better than Ben since Super Bowl XLV. That game would have be a rout but for the chronic drops of the Packers' receiving corps.

Ben was top 5, but he's on the decline and Haley isn't doing him any favors. On top of that, the WR corps outside of AB is questionable, and the TEs are subpar. It's a perfect storm of problems.

[steelmann58]

terrible loss by the team again bad plays by our QB terrible and terrible play calling by our OC and stupid and Mornic challenges by our head coach.

[Legacy User]

Ben at his best is better than anybody, possibly better than anybody who has ever played. However, he's not as his best often enough and he is far too inconsistent to truly rank him in the same class as the top QBs.

[bradshaw2ben]

And now after watching what ARodgers just did ON THE ROAD with 1:30 left in the game, I know that Ben should NOT be mentioned in the same breath as Rodgers. He is most definitely a notch or 2 below him and Brady and the gap is getting bigger and bigger after games like today.

Rodgers was INCREDIBLE. Ben was HORRIBLE

I think it's been clear that Rodgers is better than Ben since Super Bowl XLV. That game would have be a rout but for the chronic drops of the Packers' receiving corps.

Ben was top 5, but he's on the decline and Haley isn't doing him any favors. On top of that, the WR corps outside of AB is questionable, and the TEs are subpar. It's a perfect storm of problems.

Rodgers was excellent today... but it would be entirely fair to say he's actually been playing just as off as Ben previous to this week.

[bradshaw2ben]

Ben at his best is better than anybody, possibly better than anybody who has ever played. However, he's not as his best often enough and he is far too inconsistent to truly rank him in the same class as the top QBs.

I'm with Kodiak-- Ben has been throwing at an extremely high level for a couple of years now, making a day like today really striking. I'm of the opinion that he is struggling with consistency because he's got no margin of error in this offense. So many silly runs or garbage short throws/screens that leave 3rd and save us-- and then predictable route trees/combos that don't fool anyone.

Then we point at Ben when he's not perfect and say, "Inconsistent!" "Terrible!" "Ben sucks!" If you honestly can watch other games in the NFL and other QBs and think any of them could light it up with this offensive plan, I just don't know what to say. Ben might be struggling with frustration and confidence right now because of it, but it is a symptom and not the cause.

[V DUB]

Reeeaaaching

[Orangesteel]

Ben at his best is better than anybody, possibly better than anybody who has ever played. However, he's not as his best often enough and he is far too inconsistent to truly rank him in the same class as the top QBs.

I'm with Kodiak-- Ben has been throwing at an extremely high level for a couple of years now, making a day like today really striking. I'm of the opinion that he is struggling with consistency because he's got no margin of error in this offense. So many silly runs or garbage short throws/screens that leave 3rd and save us-- and then predictable route trees/combos that don't fool anyone.

Then we point at Ben when he's not perfect and say, "Inconsistent!" "Terrible!" "Ben sucks!" If you honestly can watch other games in the NFL and other QBs and think any of them could light it up with this offensive plan, I just don't know what to say. Ben might be struggling with frustration and confidence right now because of it, but it is a symptom and not the cause.

I agree. The scheme is fucked and we still don’t mind wasting downs, which is maddening. We were using those stupid throw away plays well into the 3rd quarter, after you know, not scoring a goddamn touchdown all game.

Haley and Tomlin don’t get it. How can you waste downs/possessions if your offense isn’t scoring any points? How do you expect to score more than the other team?

Fucking idiots.

[Legacy User]

Kodiak you had the audacity to use the word OBJECTIVE. That's rich

And, yet, no one else wants to examine the all-22. I AM being objective, and willing to be convinced otherwise. Apparently few other people are.

Yes, Ben sucks for not being able to consistently throw into a 12"x12" box. Happy now?

[Legacy User]

Ben at his best is better than anybody, possibly better than anybody who has ever played. However, he's not as his best often enough and he is far too inconsistent to truly rank him in the same class as the top QBs.

I'm with Kodiak-- Ben has been throwing at an extremely high level for a couple of years now, making a day like today really striking. I'm of the opinion that he is struggling with consistency because he's got no margin of error in this offense. So many silly runs or garbage short throws/screens that leave 3rd and save us-- and then predictable route trees/combos that don't fool anyone.

Then we point at Ben when he's not perfect and say, "Inconsistent!" "Terrible!" "Ben sucks!" If you honestly can watch other games in the NFL and other QBs and think any of them could light it up with this offensive plan, I just don't know what to say. Ben might be struggling with frustration and confidence right now because of it, but it is a symptom and not the cause.

[Kodiak]

Ben at his best ...

I assume based on this post we can add you to the long list of people who bitch without video evidence?

Ironic for people who cry about Tomlin's challenges...

[JPPT1974]

Really the team was not all there despite being "present" as should had won.