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Re: Harrison Signed with Patriots

Post by bradshaw2ben » Thu Dec 28, 2017 8:26 pm

Gonzo wrote:Sounds to me like someone needs the money
he just wants to be oaid as long as he can get away with it.
What we don't know is what was the deal ... has it always been clear that he won't play and will,mentor mostly

$28K before taxes. That’s what he’s making extra on this deal.


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Post by bradshaw2ben » Thu Dec 28, 2017 8:27 pm

BethlehemSteel wrote:
Gonzo wrote:Sounds to me like someone needs the money
he just wants to be oaid as long as he can get away with it.
What we don't know is what was the deal ... has it always been clear that he won't play and will,mentor mostly


59k per game

He had a 2 yr deal

Go back a few pages and come up to speed on he teams expectations about him mentoring

He gets that money from PIT either way— he gets only an additional $28K
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Post by Obviously » Thu Dec 28, 2017 8:29 pm

bradshaw2ben wrote:
Obviously wrote:
Zeke5123 wrote:Thoughts?


I trust Bill Belichick's judgment far more than Mike Tomlin's.

Yeah, well only one of those two guys cut Mike Hilton. The Genius GOAT.


Yep, and the Pats have won two Super Bowls in the last three years.

We're on nine seasons since the Steelers last won with Tomlin.

So you're saying you trust Tomlin's judgment more than Belichick's? Please tell me you're not that ignorant.
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Post by Legacy User » Thu Dec 28, 2017 8:42 pm

Zeke5123 wrote:
I didn’t start out with an opinion. Was just a prompt based on something I was thinking about. I think I agree with the cut; disagree with how Deebo was handled the whole year.


Not nailing you down on an opinion.The title of the thread makes the reader assume you have already made up your mind that it is at least a redux. The problem with fans is they are opinionated based on what they see or think they see, not what a player can actually do. We had a 20 page thread when the team cut Wesley Saunders and how did that turn out? Mauro was snapped up off the PS and people here were sure we were cutting a future HOFer- dude has two sacks and wouldn't be even active on game day.

James wasn't good enough to be on the field for this team- end of story. Too much talent on the roster and the responsibilities of a 3-4 OLB are more than just pass rushing and setting the edge. After they said he never went to see Shazier in the hospital- I cannot find a redeeming part of Harrison's side to this. Regardless of what you think about management when a brother falls you should be there.

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Post by Legacy User » Thu Dec 28, 2017 8:47 pm

Lot has to happen before we see this matchup unfold.

Personally, I’m hoping not to see the rematch.

Go Ravens or Chiefs!

Until of course they meet us for the Championship game.

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Post by jeemie » Thu Dec 28, 2017 8:50 pm

BarryFoster wrote:Lot has to happen before we see this matchup unfold.

Personally, I’m hoping not to see the rematch.

Go Ravens or Chiefs!

Until of course they meet us for the Championship game.


NFL NEEDS Steelers/Pats II with all its new attendant drama.

Al Riveron will work overtime to help make sure it happens...even if he has to overturn five clear touchdowns to make it so.
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Post by Legacy User » Thu Dec 28, 2017 9:06 pm

Obviously wrote:Bill Belichick signed James Harrison. Belichick apparently thinks James Harrison can play a key role on the Patriots or else he wouldn't have signed him. Mike Tomlin chose to give more playing time to Chickillo and Moates. Whose judgment do you trust most? Belichick's or Tomlin's?

Belichick signs a lot of washed up turds. A few just this season.

You should consider removing Belichick's dick from your mouth and coming up for air once in a while.

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Post by Legacy User » Thu Dec 28, 2017 9:10 pm

It is the Holiday season, right?

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Post by Kodiak » Thu Dec 28, 2017 9:11 pm

bradshaw2ben wrote:$28K before taxes. That’s what he’s making extra on this deal.


But he more than doubled his chance to get another SB ring :D
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Post by Stosh-67 » Thu Dec 28, 2017 9:35 pm

Since the situation never should have gotten this far.... And it was certainly FUBAR.....

And if he was a detrimte like reported.
They should have pushed his buttons to practice... rather than take it easy.
Once he refused to practice....

They should have I.R.ed him.

Not sure if another team could sign someone That was Sent to I.R.

But could also be repercussions from league since JH most likely files grievence.
Maybe that ties him up for awhile.
Maybe it costs a draft pick.

But given JH history with comish....
Could see RG siding with Steelers.
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Post by TTP » Thu Dec 28, 2017 9:47 pm

Stosh-67 wrote:Since the situation never should have gotten this far.... And it was certainly FUBAR.....

And if he was a detrimte like reported.
They should have pushed his buttons to practice... rather than take it easy.
Once he refused to practice....

They should have I.R.ed him.

Not sure if another team could sign someone That was Sent to I.R.

But could also be repercussions from league since JH most likely files grievence.
Maybe that ties him up for awhile.
Maybe it costs a draft pick.

But given JH history with comish....
Could see RG siding with Steelers.


Ummmm......that's not really an option. No way the Player's Association (or the NFL) lets the Steelers discipline a player by putting him on IR.

Also, I haven't seen anything stating that JH wasn't practicing. Dupree said he left games when not dressing and didn't attend team meetings. I'm not sure if this can even be true. How could Tomlin let that go? There are plenty of examples of players around the league being disciplined for being late to meetings let alone missing them all together. If Tomlin was letting this happen, then he deserves a ton of criticism in this mess.

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Post by Stillerz Bar » Thu Dec 28, 2017 10:52 pm

TTP wrote:Also, I haven't seen anything stating that JH wasn't practicing. Dupree said he left games when not dressing and didn't attend team meetings. I'm not sure if this can even be true. How could Tomlin let that go? There are plenty of examples of players around the league being disciplined for being late to meetings let alone missing them all together. If Tomlin was letting this happen, then he deserves a ton of criticism in this mess.

I doubt any of us will ever know the whole story and most likely what we hear will be influenced by the perception of the person telling the story. That said, here are my thoughts:

- Porter saying JH hadn't been promised a certain % of snaps since 2015 may or may not be trues but it actually sounds pretty reasonable. You tell a guy how much he'll get to lure him out of retirement but that's about all.
- The fact that Butler's scheme requires OLBs to drop into coverage more likely impacted the number of snaps he got. Add in no special teams play and that further reduced his opportunities.
- Regardless of the contrary opinions here, I personally don't believe the staff would keep him on the bench or inactive of they thought they had a better chance of winning with him playing.
- James made a great & important play against KC but the other times he was on the field he was JAG and he was terrible against the run in the Ravens game. Father time eventually catches up with everyone, even JH. That said, realizing that your performance has declined is a skill few people have and it is not beyond the realm of possibility that James' opinion of himself doesn't match the staff's.
- If true, any of skipping or sleeping through meetings, trying to show up other players with workouts the trainers would let anyone else do and being unwilling to mentor younger players is inexcusable - if all are true that's even worse.
- James has always marched to a different drummer and was often kind of a jagoff. It was great when it worked ion our favor but it pretty much sucks now.
- After seeing Harrison make a FB post on Monday about how great it was to be home with his sons on Christmas, I wondered if the staff had tried to throw him a bine by cutting him and letting him stay home for the holiday knowing they wouldn't use him in Houston.
- We'll never know but it is possible Tomlin's discipline of JH for the things mentioned above was deactivating him but choosing not to publically humiliate him by announcing it was punishment. When James complained on TV and kept doing those things the situation may have become untenable, forcing the coaching staff's hand.

Harrison has been one of my all-time favorites and I have his jersey with the SB XLIII patch (wore it when I went to the Bungles game this season figuring it was his last) and I was really disappointed this happened so close to the end of the season. I will always appreciate his "big moment" sacks and the SB pick six will live with me forever. Even so, hearing the stories from his teammates over the last two days has certainly impacted my impression of him.

The sad thing is that he probably would have been hailed as a hero by the fans & media had he retired as a Steeler after the season. I don't see a way he can come back and do the "sign & retire" thing with the Steelers, just too many burned bridges. On the other hand, the Pats fans could give a rip about him and Belecheat will use him for what he can and throw him on the scrap heap so he will most ;likely never get the big sendoff he deserves.

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Post by SteelPro » Fri Dec 29, 2017 12:07 am

bradshaw2ben wrote:
BethlehemSteel wrote:
Gonzo wrote:Sounds to me like someone needs the money
he just wants to be oaid as long as he can get away with it.
What we don't know is what was the deal ... has it always been clear that he won't play and will,mentor mostly


59k per game

He had a 2 yr deal

Go back a few pages and come up to speed on he teams expectations about him mentoring

He gets that money from PIT either way— he gets only an additional $28K


The post season money is a factor too. Super bowl winning team gets about $175k per player. So if you are picking a team this close to the end of the year you might as well choose the one with the best chance to win it.
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Post by Legacy User » Fri Dec 29, 2017 2:41 am

Obviously wrote:
Yep, and the Pats have won two Super Bowls in the last three years.

We're on nine seasons since the Steelers last won with Tomlin.

So you're saying you trust Tomlin's judgment more than Belichick's? Please tell me you're not that ignorant.

I agree that Belichick is a better coach than Tomlin. However, that does NOT mean that everytime Belichick and Tomlin disagree that Belichick is always right and Tomlin is always wrong. Tomlin's the guy who's seen Harrison in practice every day, not Belichick. We don't even know if Belichick thinks Harrison can play. It's not costing much for Belichick to just take a flyer on him and find out. I'm weary of the "Tomlin is a moron so therefore everything he does must be wrong" attitude we get from some posters.

But the proof is in the pudding. We will see Harrison take the field soon enough. If he is a force, then I guess Tomlin was wrong. If he's a bust, then Belichick is wrong. But Belichick merely signing Harrison is proof of NOTHING.

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Post by StillerDownSouth » Fri Dec 29, 2017 2:52 am

You honestly think if he thought James Harrison could make a difference he wouldn’t have put him out there?[/quote]

Bill Belichick signed James Harrison. Belichick apparently thinks James Harrison can play a key role on the Patriots or else he wouldn't have signed him. Mike Tomlin chose to give more playing time to Chickillo and Moates. Whose judgment do you trust most? Belichick's or Tomlin's?[/quote]


We shall see, for all we know he will give JH some run against the Jets to see it'd he had anything to offer, if he does poorly don't be surprised if he is jettisoned by Monday.

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Post by Legacy User » Fri Dec 29, 2017 3:52 am

This has gone on for 86 pages. I guess it's not that surprising. This is the board that shit bricks when Thaddeus Gibson was cut. Yes, THE Thaddeus Gibson.

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Post by Legacy User » Fri Dec 29, 2017 4:00 am

Laying the Wood wrote:This has gone on for 86 pages. I guess it's not that surprising. This is the board that shit bricks when Thaddeus Gibson was cut. Yes, THE Thaddeus Gibson.

Worst day of my life.




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Post by swissvale72 » Fri Dec 29, 2017 4:17 am

StillerDownSouth wrote:You honestly think if he thought James Harrison could make a difference he wouldn’t have put him out there?


Bill Belichick signed James Harrison. Belichick apparently thinks James Harrison can play a key role on the Patriots or else he wouldn't have signed him. Mike Tomlin chose to give more playing time to Chickillo and Moates. Whose judgment do you trust most? Belichick's or Tomlin's?[/quote]


We shall see, for all we know he will give JH some run against the Jets to see it'd he had anything to offer, if he does poorly don't be surprised if he is jettisoned by Monday.[/quote]

Wouldn't that be something....signs with Patriots, cut a week later, and name forever mud in Pittsburgh.

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Post by Jobu » Fri Dec 29, 2017 4:29 am

Laying the Wood wrote:This has gone on for 86 pages. I guess it's not that surprising. This is the board that shit bricks when Thaddeus Gibson was cut. Yes, THE Thaddeus Gibson.

Now why did you feel the need to re-open that wound??? :shock:

:lol: :lol: :lol:

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Post by V DUB » Fri Dec 29, 2017 6:10 am

Zoinks Scoob. 86 pages on a 109 year old linebacker.

From a board that complained about the same coaching staff that they stuck with Ward too long to get him his 1,000 catch.

Color me shocked.

I don't need to read the thread, I'm assuming it went *info grab, Tomlins dumb, Tomlin should've found playing time for him, fire Tomlin...Then when facts came out, *fuck Harrison *

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Post by swissvale72 » Fri Dec 29, 2017 2:18 pm

More Ron Borges from the Boston Herald.

http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/colu ... ll_be_gone

I tend to agree with Borges, both in that the supposed intel Harrison will provide the Patriots is of limited value, and that this biz of a commitment of snaps to Harrison with the Steelers is bullshit.

Many of you have cited Tomlin having erred in not playing Harrison more. That would be true only if he can still play. The only evidence that we saw of that was a couple of plays vs. his whipping boy, Fisher, in the Kansas City game. If he would not have provided any improvement in the Steelers defense, or any appreciable relief to the existing OLBs, than there's no need to have played him.

My only beef, and this way not even be legit, is that Tomlin should have just send Harrison the fuck home for the rest of the season if he was a disruptive influence rather than cut him and let him go to the team posing THE most formidable obstacle in the Steelers Super Bowl run. Of course, if Harrison is no longer of much use as a player, then who gives a shit if he's on the Patriots.

Personally, scenario that I'm rooting for, moreso than even an injury that lands Harrison on IR, is his playing this week, looking like shit, and Belichick cutting him on Monday. Then, Deebo can be home, watching cartoons with his kids, his legacy forever tarnished in Pittsburgh, and the Steelers no longer needing to carry his immature, disruptive ass on their roster.

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Post by Ice » Fri Dec 29, 2017 3:00 pm

Poltargyst wrote:
Laying the Wood wrote:This has gone on for 86 pages. I guess it's not that surprising. This is the board that shit bricks when Thaddeus Gibson was cut. Yes, THE Thaddeus Gibson.

Worst day of my life.




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Post by FortyThree » Fri Dec 29, 2017 3:05 pm

Hahaha I completely forgot all about that meltdown. Hilarious shit. Especially now that we see what he amounted to.

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Post by Stillerz Bar » Fri Dec 29, 2017 4:22 pm

swissvale72 wrote:More Ron Borges from the Boston Herald.

http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/colu ... ll_be_gone

I tend to agree with Borges, both in that the supposed intel Harrison will provide the Patriots is of limited value, and that this biz of a commitment of snaps to Harrison with the Steelers is bullshit.

Pretty good summary from the perspective of the team who picked him up. I am not always a fan of Labriolla but this article actually does a pretty good job of reviewing the Harrison situation starting from his entry into the league.

http://www.steelers.com/news/labriola-o ... fa7f6d934e

Labriolla noted correctly that the optics of going to the Bungles weren't good but the fans and his teammates gave him the benefit of the doubt - this time I'm not so sure that will be the case. For me, a big JH fan and Pats hater, I'm just sad that it came to this.

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Post by swissvale72 » Fri Dec 29, 2017 4:30 pm

Is a good piece by Labriola....thanks for posting.

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Post by 955876 » Fri Dec 29, 2017 4:46 pm

VanWilder wrote:Zoinks Scoob. 86 pages on a 109 year old linebacker.

From a board that complained about the same coaching staff that they stuck with Ward too long to get him his 1,000 catch.

Color me shocked.

I don't need to read the thread, I'm assuming it went *info grab, Tomlins dumb, Tomlin should've found playing time for him, fire Tomlin...Then when facts came out, *fuck Harrison *


Only problem is that you have substantialy glossed over what people’s beef is with this. And it really is nothing like the Ward situation.

Beef people have with this is that is MIGHT help our competition. That’s pretty much it. If it amounts to nothing then no big deal. If he helps them win then it was a huge tactical error.

That’s what people are complaining bout. And it’s a legit gripe given our ineptitude at beating that team...

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Post by Legacy User » Fri Dec 29, 2017 4:50 pm

James Harrison just commented on this whole clusterfuck from his perspective..This whole thing could and should have been avoided, JH could easily have received some meaningful snaps and we could have developed the young guys at the same time. Mishandled by a team that doesn't usually mishandle these sorts of things and then JHs behaviour afterwards was also childish and unprofessional, just a clusterfuck by all.




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Post by BethlehemSteel » Fri Dec 29, 2017 5:01 pm

James, you agreed to help the young guys, there are at least a dozen of these articles from this past September

https://247sports.com/nfl/pittsburgh-st ... 7-52852903

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Post by Legacy User » Fri Dec 29, 2017 5:01 pm

James Harrison just commented on this whole clusterfuck from his perspective..This whole thing could and should have been avoided, JH could easily have received some meaningful snaps and we could have developed the young guys at the same time. Mishandled by a team that doesn't usually mishandle these sorts of things and then JHs behaviour afterwards was also childish and unprofessional, just a clusterfuck by all.




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Post by swissvale72 » Fri Dec 29, 2017 5:02 pm

GreekSteel wrote:James Harrison just commented on this whole clusterfuck from his perspective..This whole thing could and should have been avoided, JH could easily have received some meaningful snaps and we could have developed the young guys at the same time. Mishandled by a team that doesn't usually mishandle these sorts of things and then JHs behaviour afterwards was also childish and unprofessional, just a clusterfuck by all.




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If meaningful snaps were in the service of helping the team win, then I agree. If in the service of satisfying Harrison's understanding of the deal made with him, then fuck that.

I'm just hoping we see this fucker on the waiver wire come Monday morning. You've just been cut again, James. Happy Fuckin' New Year!!

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