In Other News: Gladys Knight to sing Anthem for SB

[Kodiak]

It was decent. Different, certainly pretty good. Not memorable for me, though.

[R_S]

Is it illegal to do so? That was my original question. I honestly couldnt find a solid answer. If its not illegal then you're highly underestimating people. I give you Kermit Gosnell. He was not forcing women to abort babies. But he gladly did the job. So the precedent has been set.

So your contention is that restrict the freedoms of the many in order to keep in check the few.

Got it.

Yes. I'd like to restrict the legality of killing a fetus at 8.5 months for things like "mothers mental health" no matter how few mother fuckers wanna do it! Wow man. Very sad

[stinger8]

Dylan Roof shoots up a church in S. Carolina and he is arrested with no violence at all. A whte man and his son were under investigation is S. Carolina for child molestation. When the police arrived to serve a warrant, they were fired upon. One policeman died on the scene, and another officer lost her life weeks later in the hospital. from her wounds. The man and his son were arrested without being shot. However, many black people who don't make a millions have been brutalized an killed by cops. And the punishment for these cops? Very often, administrative leave, and not much else.

These isolated incidents prove what?
Say it again: Selective Outrage.

Would you have been satisfied if Mr. Roof died in a shootout?
Or, what if more than 2 deputies attempted to serve that warrant, or even if the 2 that were caught unawares had any clue that they were walking into an ambush?
You think they wouldn't have returned fire?
Because I guarantee they would have, and if they killed the child molesting mother fucker, I also guarantee they'd have gotten the same "administrative leave" you bemoan...



I guarantee either scenario could have been the case, but you want to pick and choose what to "expose" and make it about race.

Shame on you, asshole!

There are many great police officers around this country who honorably protect and server their communities. In Florence, there were 7 officers shot while serving the warrant.
Isolated? Apparently you don't watch the news.
What do they prove? Kaepernick's protest was more than legitimate. If police can arrest violent white criminals without killing them, then they can certainly arrest nonviolent black suspects without killing them
Would you have been satisfied if Mr. Roof died in a shootout? This question reveals who and what you are. No, I would be satisfied if police did not use deadly force on people when it is NOT warranted - especially when it's clear to see that people of color are most often the ones who end up dead. Deadly force is necessary sometimes - I recognize that. One of these "isolated" incidents is too many. Those of us who truly care about this country recognize that no matter what race, every life is equally important. I'm part of a long line of men who defended this country in the armed forces - personally served in the US Army. I'm a man who loves his country. With the smallest amount of objectivity, anyone can see the police brutality is disproportionate. What's even worse, is the consequences for those acts don't deter it.

In Toronto about 2 weeks ago, a guy was threatening cops with a knife, and lunged and attempted to stab them on a few separate occasions. They could not safely get close enough for a taser so they shot him...... with bean bags, dude went down, handcuffed. Last year when the crazy dude in Toronto ran over several people with a van (killing a few) they cornered him on a side street, it was clear he wanted death by cop, jumped out of the van had something in his hand looking like a gun and walked right at the cop threatening to shoot him, but the cop did not fire he held his spot behind his car door, gun aimed at the perp and eventually got him handcuffed.

On you tube there are many video's of British cops (men and women) taking very violent machete, hammer, wielding maniacs down without a gun, using guile and protective devices to thwart the danger.

I know more than 50% of the people on this site (representative of the US overall population) would all be absolutely comfortable with any and all of those perps I mentioned being slaughtered in a hail of bullets. I have read it too many times. I have seen the black guy who is wanted for failure to pay child support, run away at a traffic stop and get shot multiple times in the back, and people say "he should not have run and should have paid his child support, fuckin dead beat". We have all seen too many of these executions, almost always people of colour. Its beyond deplorable

The USA is a very violent culture, with a higher rate of systemic racism, than any other DEVELOPED country in the world. Go ahead clutch your pearls but if you have the opportunity to look at it from the outside looking in like me it is very obvious.

[Vertical Steel]

I thought Gladys sounded good, but the accompanying music was not very complementary in my opinion. Could have done without it.

[Legacy User]

Why try to argue it Steeledge??

These are the same people that will tell you a wall is “inhumane” but will cheer like giddy 12 year old girls at a Bieber concert when full term abortions are allowed.

wow; this a football thread? lol

oh the same anti abortion folks who praise the life at conception. who when child is born don't give a rats ass what becomes of it? who don't give a shit about the foster care programs in shambles?
who want the safety nets gone? and want to incarcerate and murder the same children when grown up with bogus drug laws and death penalty? interesting folks.

[jeemie]

All I can say is the partisan media has done its job when relatively bright people here argue without facts.

Sad, really.

[955876]

bogus drug laws and death penalty? i

So are you claiming all drug laws are bogus or just some of them? Hell, maybe we can do away with the DEA along with ICE and DHS. That’ll certainly solve lots of problems right?

And you do realize those that land on death row have typically done/been accused of some heinous shit.

[COR-TEN]

Why try to argue it Steeledge??

These are the same people that will tell you a wall is “inhumane” but will cheer like giddy 12 year old girls at a Bieber concert when full term abortions are allowed.

wow; this a football thread? lol

oh the same anti abortion folks who praise the life at conception. who when child is born don't give a rats ass what becomes of it? who don't give a shit about the foster care programs in shambles?
who want the safety nets gone? and want to incarcerate and murder the same children when grown up with bogus drug laws and death penalty? interesting folks.

Have you read "Freakonomics?"

In it they attempt to explain why crime rates fell so drastically from the 70's to the aughts : Roe v Wade.

Because most of the women that couldn't get abortions were not parenting. They'd have 4 kids and were living in poverty with no hope, so they turned to crime. After abortions were made legal, those neglected kids were never born. At least it's their explanation based on the statistics they presented and connected the dots.

[Legacy User]

All I can say is the partisan media has done its job when relatively bright people here argue without facts.

Sad, really.

You see many arguments in this thread? I don't!

[955876]

Why try to argue it Steeledge??

These are the same people that will tell you a wall is “inhumane” but will cheer like giddy 12 year old girls at a Bieber concert when full term abortions are allowed.

wow; this a football thread? lol

oh the same anti abortion folks who praise the life at conception. who when child is born don't give a rats ass what becomes of it? who don't give a shit about the foster care programs in shambles?
who want the safety nets gone? and want to incarcerate and murder the same children when grown up with bogus drug laws and death penalty? interesting folks.

Have you read "Freakonomics?"

In it they attempt to explain why crime rates fell so drastically from the 70's to the aughts : Roe v Wade.

Because most of the women that couldn't get abortions were not parenting. They'd have 4 kids and were living in poverty with no hope, so they turned to crime. After abortions were made legal, those neglected kids were never born. At least it's their explanation based on the statistics they presented and connected the dots.

Well that’s certainly one way to look at it. Maybe we can come up with a program to off some of the would be parents as well.

Imagine what could be done to the crime rate then...

[Ice]

Why try to argue it Steeledge??

These are the same people that will tell you a wall is “inhumane” but will cheer like giddy 12 year old girls at a Bieber concert when full term abortions are allowed.

Wow, this has definitely moved on from the Pips.

[jeemie]

All I can say is the partisan media has done its job when relatively bright people here argue without facts.

Sad, really.

You see many arguments in this thread? I don't!

By argue I mean declare that what you believe is so.

[Legacy User]

Did anyone catch that Mike Patton had been slated to sing the anthem for the Cowboys Rams play off game?!

Unfortunately, he got super sick the day of the game and had to back out.

Now THAT I would have LOVED to hear.

Big shout out to 1992!

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7oW2eiAM-g[/youtube]

[R_S]

Why try to argue it Steeledge??

These are the same people that will tell you a wall is “inhumane” but will cheer like giddy 12 year old girls at a Bieber concert when full term abortions are allowed.

wow; this a football thread? lol

oh the same anti abortion folks who praise the life at conception. who when child is born don't give a rats ass what becomes of it? who don't give a shit about the foster care programs in shambles?
who want the safety nets gone? and want to incarcerate and murder the same children when grown up with bogus drug laws and death penalty? interesting folks.

Children suffer; therefore, killing innocent human beings is justified. Is that what you're saying? That's quite the non-sequitur

And your assertion that those who oppose full term abortions, oppose quality foster care and the health of a child is a joke with no evidence.

[COR-TEN]

And your assertion that those who oppose full term abortions, oppose quality foster care and the health of a child is a joke with no evidence.

You mean like suggesting the abortion laws in NY means everybody who gets an abortion after 26 weeks is a murderer who simply changed their minds?

[R_S]

And your assertion that those who oppose full term abortions, oppose quality foster care and the health of a child is a joke with no evidence.

You mean like suggesting the abortion laws in NY means everybody who gets an abortion after 26 weeks is a murderer who simply changed their minds?

If the baby is healthy and viable, then yes, that is my assertion.

[COR-TEN]

And your assertion that those who oppose full term abortions, oppose quality foster care and the health of a child is a joke with no evidence.

You mean like suggesting the abortion laws in NY means everybody who gets an abortion after 26 weeks is a murderer who simply changed their minds?

If the baby is healthy and viable, then yes, that is my assertion.

People who perform abortions have publicly stated that they have never done an abortion past 26 weeks that wasn't medically prescribed, yet that's all you guys can talk about. That's all you say, that's all you think it allows. Where is your evidence?

Further, evidence of what Bam Morris said is in the GOP party platform to dissolve all "entitlement" programs from the federal government and handing the cash over to the military, corporations, and millionaires.

[R_S]

All people who perform abortions? All of them? maybe you should do some more research. There are bad people in every profession. So there should be a law making it illegal to kill a healthy fetus in the 3rd trimester. it's never medically necessary to kill a 38 week old fetus to save the mother. It may be medically necessary to induce early delivery or remove a LIVING baby from the mother. But never to snuff out the life of the baby. Unless you think medical necessity is depression and anxiety in the mother.

[COR-TEN]

All people who perform abortions? All of them? maybe you should do some more research. There are bad people in every profession. So there should be a law making it illegal to kill a healthy fetus in the 3rd trimester. it's never medically necessary to kill a 38 week old fetus to save the mother. It may be medically necessary to induce early delivery or remove a LIVING baby from the mother. But never to snuff out the life of the baby. Unless you think medical necessity is depression and anxiety in the mother.

Ah, so you're an MD? Where do you practice medicine?

I actually think you should do some research, and stop watching fauxnooz. But I do agree that there are bad people in every profession. I guess any cop that shoots an unarmed person should go to jail, without trial, right? Take their guns away because someone might get killed. Or how about half of industry that pours carcinogens into the environment that causes deaths and cancer?

You can't bend morals to fit your ideology. Conservative principles are situational and amazingly flexible.

[R_S]

All people who perform abortions? All of them? maybe you should do some more research. There are bad people in every profession. So there should be a law making it illegal to kill a healthy fetus in the 3rd trimester. it's never medically necessary to kill a 38 week old fetus to save the mother. It may be medically necessary to induce early delivery or remove a LIVING baby from the mother. But never to snuff out the life of the baby. Unless you think medical necessity is depression and anxiety in the mother.

Ah, so you're an MD? Where do you practice medicine?

I actually think you should do some research, and stop watching fauxnooz. But I do agree that there are bad people in every profession. I guess any cop that shoots an unarmed person should go to jail, without trial, right? Take their guns away because someone might get killed. Or how about half of industry that pours carcinogens into the environment that causes deaths and cancer?

You can't bend morals to fit your ideology. Conservative principles are situational and amazingly flexible.

Are you comparing pollution to snipping the spinal cord of viable fetus at full term? more non-sequitur bullshit. holy shit.


PS: find me a situation where killing a healthy full term fetus will save the mother's life. I'll check in for your findings.

[COR-TEN]

All people who perform abortions? All of them? maybe you should do some more research. There are bad people in every profession. So there should be a law making it illegal to kill a healthy fetus in the 3rd trimester. it's never medically necessary to kill a 38 week old fetus to save the mother. It may be medically necessary to induce early delivery or remove a LIVING baby from the mother. But never to snuff out the life of the baby. Unless you think medical necessity is depression and anxiety in the mother.

Ah, so you're an MD? Where do you practice medicine?

I actually think you should do some research, and stop watching fauxnooz. But I do agree that there are bad people in every profession. I guess any cop that shoots an unarmed person should go to jail, without trial, right? Take their guns away because someone might get killed. Or how about half of industry that pours carcinogens into the environment that causes deaths and cancer?

You can't bend morals to fit your ideology. Conservative principles are situational and amazingly flexible.

Are you comparing pollution to snipping the spinal cord of viable fetus at full term? more non-sequitur bullshit. holy shit.


PS: find me a situation where killing a healthy full term fetus will save the mother's life. I'll check in for your findings.

You keep saying viable fetus. This is about either 1, a non viable fetus, or 2, a threat to the mother. Why is that so hard to understand?

You're turning an issue that's filled with gray into black and white. On purpose to fit the narrative. But I'm done here trying to dispel the conservative alternate reality.

[R_S]

I've never argued that a non-viable fetus should be forced into full term. Never once. From the beginning, my question was the grey area that these bills give for the potential abortion of a perfectly viable fetus @ 28-40 weeks.

Let's debate the threat to the mother? in what way, does killing a healthy baby improve the health of the mother? Maybe her mental health would improve?

[jeemie]

There simply are not that many abortions performed beyond 21 weeks.

It’s estimated maybe 600 are performed a year...fully 80% of them because of non-viability/abnormality.

This idea that there’s going to be huge demand for late term abortions is nowhere borne out by fact.

So it’s a moral outrage argument solely for being morally outraged.

Which is dumb.

[Legacy User]

I do not for one minute belive that the purpose of these abortion laws is to allow women to terminate perfectly healthy babies for no particular reason. But I will say that the proponents of these legislations could do themselves and all of us a favor by spelling things out better. I'd listen to all the objections and answer them on a Frequently Asked Questions page.

FAQ Page:

Q. As a result of this legislation will women be terminating perfectly healthy babies for no reason?

A. No, and here' s why blah blah blah....

[Stosh-67]

There are certainly situations where late term abortion should be acceptable, brain issues, choosing life or death emergency situation between mother and unborn baby, severe deformities, etc.

I am not a physician, but there also should be enough medical information, tests, blood work, scans, sonograms, family history, chromosome mismatches, MRI's if they do on pregnant women, etc..........that should help determine if a baby should be aborted before the third term, if not much earlier in the pregnancy.

With that being said, and understanding both sides of the debate.......

How does Virginia’s Governor Ralph Northam justify his comments below.................speaking of an abortion that either went bad or the child was delivered before the abortion.
What is he speaking of discussing with the physicians and mother about the newborn baby? Euthanasia? Pillow smothering?

"In this particular example, if a mother is in labor, I can tell you exactly what would happen," he continued. "The infant would be delivered. The infant would be kept comfortable. The infant would be resuscitated if that's what the mother and the family desired, and then a discussion would ensue between the physicians and the mother."

Between this thought process and his black face scandal, how does Northam still sit in the Governors Mansion.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4V0TYIO6yv4[/youtube]

[R_S]

There simply are not that many abortions performed beyond 21 weeks.

It’s estimated maybe 600 are performed a year...fully 80% of them because of non-viability/abnormality.

This idea that there’s going to be huge demand for late term abortions is nowhere borne out by fact.

So it’s a moral outrage argument solely for being morally outraged.

Which is dumb.

Ok 600 a year. 80% non-viable fetus.....so 120 were aborted why??? So fuck it, only 120 perfectly healthy 3rd tri baby's were killed.......uh? You don't think that's a reason to remove the grey area's of these bills? 120 lives?

[jeemie]

I do not for one minute belive that the purpose of these abortion laws is to allow women to terminate perfectly healthy babies for no particular reason. But I will say that the proponents of these legislations could do themselves and all of us a favor by spelling things out better. I'd listen to all the objections and answer them on a Frequently Asked Questions page.

FAQ Page:

Q. As a result of this legislation will women be terminating perfectly healthy babies for no reason?

A. No, and here' s why blah blah blah....

For the most part, they do.

But when people decide to listen to one type of media (and thus bias online algorithms into serving them up even MORE of such media), they won’t hear these explanations.

[jeemie]

There simply are not that many abortions performed beyond 21 weeks.

It’s estimated maybe 600 are performed a year...fully 80% of them because of non-viability/abnormality.

This idea that there’s going to be huge demand for late term abortions is nowhere borne out by fact.

So it’s a moral outrage argument solely for being morally outraged.

Which is dumb.

Ok 600 a year. 80% non-viable fetus.....so 120 were aborted why??? So fuck it, only 120 perfectly healthy 3rd tri baby's were killed.......uh? You don't think that's a reason to remove the grey area's of these bills? 120 lives?

Who knows what happened in those 120? You made a rather large assumption there.

And the laws created no gray areas. The laws were being changed on the off-chance a right-leaning SCOTUS eventually decides to overturn Roe v Wade.

[Donnie Brasco]

The mods should abort this thread

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The laws were being changed on the off-chance a right-leaning SCOTUS eventually decides to overturn Roe v Wade.

It's not so much an off- chance considering how Kavanaugh just voted on the issue. I'm guessing R S would be perfectly happy banning abortion altogether, though. Even before 26 weeks.

One report detailed the case of a woman that didn't know, or the deformity (I think it had a non functioning brain) didn't appear until the 30th or 31st week. The law prevented her, so she had to travel to another state to have it performed. It cost her something like $10K with travel etc. Traumatized twice. What happens if you don't have the money?