James Harrison to the Steelers (merged)

[Mick]

Just don't give him any coverage responsibilities and he'll be all right.

That's a problem with the defense we play though. He'll be destroyed in coverage.

I think people here are a bit overly optimistic. We were paper thin before at olb...and the Steelers never called James. They are only calling him now out of desperation. Hope I'm wrong but with his mounting knee issues, I think he is done.

why would the steelers have signed James before knowing that he wouldn't be able to get on the field unless there was an injury, and that if they didn't sign him and there was an injury, he'd be waiting by the phone?

He couldn't cover in man in 2008. He'll still be able to drop into zones.

James harrison is what he is at this point, a guy who will be useful if and only if your regular starter is out.

[bradshaw2ben]

i think he can help versus the run -- not with the pass rush

It'll blow my mind if JH isn't at least equal to Jarvis jones rushing the passer-- just guile alone.

[Legacy User]

Fucking love it! Great news!

[zeke5123]

Through two 1/2 games, Jones has two sacks + multiple pressures. He hasn't been bad rushing the passer. He actually has been pretty good. The sack he got hurt on he was being held like a mother fucker. Earlier in the same game, he killed a Panther's drive with a nifty outside-in swim move that drew a facemask penalty.

I highly doubt Harrison can bring what Jones' has been bringing rushing the passer. But he can probably provide some pass rushing in short doses, provided he is healthy and used as a wave player.

[Legacy User]

So James Harrison is going to have to arm wrestle McCullers for the right to wear #92 now, right?

[jeemie]

Through two 1/2 games, Jones has two sacks + multiple pressures. He hasn't been bad rushing the passer. He actually has been pretty good. The sack he got hurt on he was being held like a mother fucker. Earlier in the same game, he killed a Panther's drive with a nifty outside-in swim move that drew a facemask penalty.

I highly doubt Harrison can bring what Jones' has been bringing rushing the passer. But he can probably provide some pass rushing in short doses, provided he is healthy and used as a wave player.

I have no problem if he is used to spell Moats, and if he's brought in in games the Steelers are leading by a lot where he can pin back his ears.

But the celebration that is greeting his (potentially soon-to-be) return is, IMHO, far out of whack with the value he is actually going to bring to the table for the Steelers.

It'd be like celebrating wildly because we were bringing in Nick Eason. We are only celebrating wildly because of Deebo's past performance...long past performance.

Me personally? I'd rather see what HoJo might bring to the table.

[Legacy User]

Hate to piss on everyone's Cheerios.

All if you were screaming about ray rice knocking out his girl friend striking her. Then the situation with how the ravens handled the situation not to mention the NFL.

Just a few short years ago. Harrison hit his girlfriend with the Rooney's then making up and excuse about the situation saying he was trying to get his kid to communion. Harrison went to anger management classes and it was brushed under the rug.

I don't see much difference if any between rice and Harrison. One hell of a double standard here actually hypocritical

If you have an issue with hypocrisy, maybe the NFL isn't for you.

I'm going to go out on a limb and suggest that while slapping your girlfriend with the open palm of your hand is not right, it's much different than punching your girlfriend in the face with a closed fist. I'm not defending Harrison, I'm just pointing out that Switz has drawn an unfair parallel.

And Switz, if you don't see much of a difference, pm me. We can meet on the Southside at a place of your choosing and time. First I'll slap you in the face with an open palm. Then I'll punch you in the face with a closed fist. If you still think the cases are the same, I'll by you beer and change my avatar. Deal?

[Mick]

Through two 1/2 games, Jones has two sacks + multiple pressures. He hasn't been bad rushing the passer. He actually has been pretty good. The sack he got hurt on he was being held like a mother fucker. Earlier in the same game, he killed a Panther's drive with a nifty outside-in swim move that drew a facemask penalty.

I highly doubt Harrison can bring what Jones' has been bringing rushing the passer. But he can probably provide some pass rushing in short doses, provided he is healthy and used as a wave player.

I have no problem if he is used to spell Moats, and if he's brought in in games the Steelers are leading by a lot where he can pin back his ears.

But the celebration that is greeting his (potentially soon-to-be) return is, IMHO, far out of whack with the value he is actually going to bring to the table for the Steelers.

It'd be like celebrating wildly because we were bringing in Nick Eason. We are only celebrating wildly because of Deebo's past performance...long past performance.

Me personally? I'd rather see what HoJo might bring to the table.

I feel kind of the opposite for harrison. He's never going to get to a qb, but ibet he can still hold the edge, probably better than jones. Give him 1st and 2nd down, bring moats in in passing situations.

[Legacy User]

IMHO, far out of whack with the value he is actually going to bring to the table for the Steelers.

Where I'm at.

Jones was on pace for 10 sacks.

[StillMadAtSlobber]

Let's be honest. It's a depth signing. I love Deebo, but he won't bring much. He'll probably be ok vs. the run, but I don't see him beating any LT to the edge at his current age.

Our current ROLB has ayes in what, 17 games now starting like 11 if them and has 2 sacks. Or did he get credit for one making it 3 now?

Either way, we didn't lose a 15 sack guy last night.

I realize Harrison is older and slower but used as a wave player where he can go 100% knowing he isn't out there taking all the snaps I'm willing to bet he will hold his own.

They need to use him correctly though.

Dropping Harrison into coverage a bunch at his age prolly not a good idea.

Put him in there to stop the run and give what he's got in pass rush.

How's that much worse that wee been getting?

Bingo, and please, please, please, please, please make sure he is fully rested before the Ravens game.

It may have been already mentioned, was anyone cut or is Ike is now on the IR but scheduled to return list?

[franco32]

Actually, JJ was on pace for 12.5 sacks based on 2 and half games. I get it. Some didn't like the pick because of his measurables. He's not Derrick Thomas, but come on. Even big doubters such as KC were giving him some credit.

We are to the point now where we think a 36 year old Deebo on one leg is better than JJ.

[zeke5123]

IMHO, far out of whack with the value he is actually going to bring to the table for the Steelers.

Where I'm at.

Jones was on pace for 10 sacks.

Perhaps more importantly, h was on pace to get those sacks because he was getting solid pressure on the QB. They weren't "dong" sacks.

[StillMadAtSlobber]

Hate to piss on everyone's Cheerios.

All if you were screaming about ray rice knocking out his girl friend striking her. Then the situation with how the ravens handled the situation not to mention the NFL.

Just a few short years ago. Harrison hit his girlfriend with the Rooney's then making up and excuse about the situation saying he was trying to get his kid to communion. Harrison went to anger management classes and it was brushed under the rug.

I don't see much difference if any between rice and Harrison. One hell of a double standard here actually hypocritical

Where is my can of Troll spray?

[StillMadAtSlobber]

Hate to piss on everyone's Cheerios.

All if you were screaming about ray rice knocking out his girl friend striking her. Then the situation with how the ravens handled the situation not to mention the NFL.

Just a few short years ago. Harrison hit his girlfriend with the Rooney's then making up and excuse about the situation saying he was trying to get his kid to communion. Harrison went to anger management classes and it was brushed under the rug.

I don't see much difference if any between rice and Harrison. One hell of a double standard here actually hypocritical

What if I don't give a fuck?

I don't normally wish harm on another human being, but Harrison and Switz in a dark alley could be sort of amusing.

Lloyd can bring the sock and cue ball.

[Legacy User]

Actually, JJ was on pace for 12.5 sacks based on 2 and half games. I get it. Some didn't like the pick because of his measurables. He's not Derrick Thomas, but come on. Even big doubters such as KC were giving him some credit.

We are to the point now where we think a 36 year old Deebo on one leg is better than JJ.

JJ is doing great this year --

He will be missed

But Moats is a nice replacement --

Harrison won't see the field unless Moats gets hurt or needs a breather.

[StillMadAtSlobber]

Just don't give him any coverage responsibilities and he'll be all right.

Right- just take away part of what we expect in our defense from our OLBs and we'll be fine.

See the problem here?

I love James...is there seriously no one better out there we can call on?

Uh, that has familarity in our system? Seriously? Wake up.
What OLB with familiarity in DL's system is available?

The next best choices are Haggans and Porter.

[bradshaw2ben]

IMHO, far out of whack with the value he is actually going to bring to the table for the Steelers.

Where I'm at.

Jones was on pace for 10 sacks.

I still don't see it with Jones. He got a coverage sack vs a TE nd he got a strip sack where he didn't even see nor get a hand on the QB.

He also got trucked about three times in the last game alone and suckered inside on several screens. I appreciate that he's improving but he's still a work in progress.

[Steelafan77]

Solid Depth and great vet leadership setting the example for this defense. Both in work ethic and demeanor. Both DeeBo (never thought I'd refer to this nickname ever again ) and Keisel are great character leaders when it comes to Steeler football and doing it the Steeler way. I love it.

[StillMadAtSlobber]

Through two 1/2 games, Jones has two sacks + multiple pressures. He hasn't been bad rushing the passer. He actually has been pretty good. The sack he got hurt on he was being held like a mother fucker. Earlier in the same game, he killed a Panther's drive with a nifty outside-in swim move that drew a facemask penalty.

I highly doubt Harrison can bring what Jones' has been bringing rushing the passer. But he can probably provide some pass rushing in short doses, provided he is healthy and used as a wave player.

I have no problem if he is used to spell Moats, and if he's brought in in games the Steelers are leading by a lot where he can pin back his ears.

But the celebration that is greeting his (potentially soon-to-be) return is, IMHO, far out of whack with the value he is actually going to bring to the table for the Steelers.

It'd be like celebrating wildly because we were bringing in Nick Eason. We are only celebrating wildly because of Deebo's past performance...long past performance.

Me personally? I'd rather see what HoJo might bring to the table.

If you think that people here are expecting Deebo to be starting, instead of situationally used, (wave) I think you are delusional.

[Legacy User]

IMHO, far out of whack with the value he is actually going to bring to the table for the Steelers.

Where I'm at.

Jones was on pace for 10 sacks.

I still don't see it with Jones. He got a coverage sack vs a TE nd he got a strip sack where he didn't even see nor get a hand on the QB.

He also got trucked about three times in the last game alone and suckered inside on several screens. I appreciate that he's improving but he's still a work in progress.

I did laugh at Benjamin stiff arming him into the dirt. But I have never had a problem with dong sacks. If he turns out to be the Forest Gump of OLBs I can live with that.

[StillMadAtSlobber]

Actually, JJ was on pace for 12.5 sacks based on 2 and half games. I get it. Some didn't like the pick because of his measurables. He's not Derrick Thomas, but come on. Even big doubters such as KC were giving him some credit.

We are to the point now where we think a 36 year old Deebo on one leg is better than JJ.

Can you add more crap in that last line, I dont think it looks full? Noone implied what you said.

People think a 36 year old Deebo used as a wave/depth is the best move and pass rushing threat we have with JJ out.

[zeke5123]

IMHO, far out of whack with the value he is actually going to bring to the table for the Steelers.

Where I'm at.

Jones was on pace for 10 sacks.

I still don't see it with Jones. He got a coverage sack vs a TE nd he got a strip sack where he didn't even see nor get a hand on the QB.

He also got trucked about three times in the last game alone and suckered inside on several screens. I appreciate that he's improving but he's still a work in progress.

Watch the strip sack again. He beat the LT and at the least should've drawn a hands to the face penalty. Looked a lot like holding to me. That was great pressure + fortune to get the strip sack. How about that nasty outside-in move across the face of the Panther's LT that drew a facemask penalty? Jones was bringing fire rushing the passer against the Panthers. If you DVRed, watch all of his snaps again.

[Steelafan77]

James Harrison on his return to Steelers: 'Done deal'



http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-foo ... -done-deal

Welcome back Deebo. Now we need to win the Super Bowl so you can look goofwell in the eyes on that podium and say....

[StillMadAtSlobber]

Where I'm at.

Jones was on pace for 10 sacks.

I still don't see it with Jones. He got a coverage sack vs a TE nd he got a strip sack where he didn't even see nor get a hand on the QB.

He also got trucked about three times in the last game alone and suckered inside on several screens. I appreciate that he's improving but he's still a work in progress.

Watch the strip sack again. He beat the LT and at the least should've drawn a hands to the face penalty. Looked a lot like holding to me. That was great pressure + fortune to get the strip sack. How about that nasty outside-in move across the face of the Panther's LT that drew a facemask penalty? Jones was bringing fire rushing the passer against the Panthers. If you DVRed, watch all of his snaps again.

Agreed, that outside-in move was great. You get the feeling he had been setting him up with outside/spin/swim moves then totally faked him out.

[Legacy User]

Let's be honest. It's a depth signing. I love Deebo, but he won't bring much. He'll probably be ok vs. the run, but I don't see him beating any LT to the edge at his current age.

Our current ROLB has ayes in what, 17 games now starting like 11 if them and has 2 sacks. Or did he get credit for one making it 3 now?

Either way, we didn't lose a 15 sack guy last night.

I realize Harrison is older and slower but used as a wave player where he can go 100% knowing he isn't out there taking all the snaps I'm willing to bet he will hold his own.

They need to use him correctly though.

Dropping Harrison into coverage a bunch at his age prolly not a good idea.

Put him in there to stop the run and give what he's got in pass rush.

How's that much worse that wee been getting?

Agreed!

Deebo is a backup/wave player.

A solid depth signing.

Experienced in our system.

Give Moats a breather, and let Deebo play in waves, not regular starter.

[jeemie]

If you think that people here are expecting Deebo to be starting, instead of situationally used, (wave) I think you are delusional.

So why are we celebrating the signing of a wave player like he's the Second Coming?

Take his name and his reputation out of it- he's a wave player.

Would we go delirious over an unknown wave player?

I think some people here ARE expecting him to start.

[Legacy User]

If you think that people here are expecting Deebo to be starting, instead of situationally used, (wave) I think you are delusional.

So why are we celebrating the signing of a wave player like he's the Second Coming?

Take his name and his reputation out of it- he's a wave player.

Would we go delirious over an unknown wave player?

I think some people here ARE expecting him to start.

I'm celebrating because I like Deebo. I'm not going to take his name or reputation out of it. I love the fact that he gets to have a proper victory lap with the Steelers. I love the fact that he will be quality depth. If he is even 3/4 of what he used to be, he'll be an asset. I have not seen any one on this board suggest they think he will start. I'm sure some people do think he will start. So what? Have a Guinness. Relax.

[R_S]

If you think that people here are expecting Deebo to be starting, instead of situationally used, (wave) I think you are delusional.

So why are we celebrating the signing of a wave player like he's the Second Coming?

Take his name and his reputation out of it- he's a wave player.

Would we go delirious over an unknown wave player?

I think some people here ARE expecting him to start.

Maybe because he's one of the most iconic Steelers of the current era and a Super Bowl hero. It's nice to see him back in black and gold. Jesus Jeemie. Does that really have to be spelled out to you?

[jeemie]

If you think that people here are expecting Deebo to be starting, instead of situationally used, (wave) I think you are delusional.

So why are we celebrating the signing of a wave player like he's the Second Coming?

Take his name and his reputation out of it- he's a wave player.

Would we go delirious over an unknown wave player?

I think some people here ARE expecting him to start.

Maybe because he's one of the most iconic Steelers of the current era and a Super Bowl hero. It's nice to see him back in black and gold. Jesus Jeemie. Does that really have to be spelled out to you?

I want to win games, not give icons their last laps.

If it works...great.

I am not holding my breath otherwise.

[Legacy User]

I want to win games, not give icons their last laps.

If it works...great.

I am not holding my breath otherwise.

I can't believe they went with James Harrison over all the Pro Bowl-caliber free agents available after Week 3 either.