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Re: Juju 1 year 8 million.
That's pretty close to it, Lipps. On-field, there's some Hines Ward to his game, which, admittedly, I really like (the fighting for yards, yards after contact, blocking, sticking up for teammates (Burfict), etc.). He's not Randy Moss out there, or maybe much more than Hines-light, but it's something, and for 8 mill with no strings (hypothetically) attached, it helps for 2021-22.
When you draft kids who are turning 20, rather than 4th or 5th year seniors, as the Steelers have a penchant to do, not all of them are going to come out fully cooked from a mental maturity standpoint. I'd blame the "I'll put up with you until I don't have to" philosophy of the staff before I really went at individual players.
When you draft kids who are turning 20, rather than 4th or 5th year seniors, as the Steelers have a penchant to do, not all of them are going to come out fully cooked from a mental maturity standpoint. I'd blame the "I'll put up with you until I don't have to" philosophy of the staff before I really went at individual players.
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Who says that's what the steelers are doing? JuJu is a rugby player with decent hands that is tough as nails when playing football. He just wears his emotions and personality on his sleeve - and people make judgements on that instead on his football skills. He's goofy, and people don't like goofy, which opens the door to criticism. Besides, nobody other than BR is the core team mate to build around. Once he's gone, all are the same. It sure as hell isn't going to be MR or Conner or Claypool. Nobody on the roster is someone to build a team around.
Arguing with idiots is like playing chess with a pigeon. No matter how good you are, the pigeon is going to shit on the board and strut around like it won anyway.
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They are not on the same level. JuJu could make a living off his social media "brand" and the rest of them are trying to emulate his success on these platforms. Being upset that he dances on tiktok or youtube is beyond silly.
Are WRs in the NFL even really eligible to be core, franchise players anymore? I mean outside of maybe Julio Jones or possibly Hopkins?
Not for nothing, but you could have three Jujus for the price of Julio Jones and still have enough left to sign three James Conners for about 1.25 million per.
Not for nothing, but you could have three Jujus for the price of Julio Jones and still have enough left to sign three James Conners for about 1.25 million per.
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Tyreek Hill would be in that category. To your point, though, I dunno. I have a friend who constantly brings this up, and I go back and forth on it. It's certainly getting hard to do, I think, with QB contracts going through the roof, but that's true of every position.Ice wrote: ↑Mon Mar 29, 2021 5:57 pmAre WRs in the NFL even really eligible to be core, franchise players anymore? I mean outside of maybe Julio Jones or possibly Hopkins?
Not for nothing, but you could have three Jujus for the price of Julio Jones and still have enough left to sign three James Conners for about 1.25 million per.
I'm a bigger fan of having 3-4 above average WRs than one great WR. But, that doesn't mean it's a given. Those 3-4 guys need to complement each other since none of them are going to be the complete package, and you need a coaching staff that can scheme them open, and a QB that can make the reads to take advantage of that.
I do think there's something to be said for having a WR that a QB can throw jump balls to downfield and in the red zone with a reasonable amount of success. Maybe you can get that from a guy who isn't necessarily a super star, but it's not easy either. But if that player is a superstar who also excels in the other areas of the field as well, then the defense needs to start shading coverage and whatever else to compensate.
I think the Steelers over the past 3-4 years are the perfect example. We had the super star in Antonio Brown, and Ju Ju greatly benefited from it with his Pro Bowl season. And our offense was near the top of the league in those years.
AB left and we drafted Claypool, which should have given us a very well rounded WR core from top to bottom. Claypool was the big bodied deep threat, Ju Ju was the big and physical possesion WR, Johnston the quick slasher, and Washington as the good spot-substitute that can do multiple things.
But, we had a coaching staff that didn't put those guys in positions to succeed often enough, a QB that struggled to find the open guy at times (often due to there not being an open guy), and a line that often didn't give the QB time to progress through his reads (and of course, the issue of drops throughout the season).
I sincerely believe that if you give last year's WR group to Belicheck and Brady, they'd have dominated other teams.
I dunno. Tyreek Hill would be an average receiver with an average QB. His skills are shifty with speed (others are as well) and after the catch yards. I don't think any FO would build a franchise around a WR - too dependent on a quality QB. RB is the closest with say, Saquan Barkley, and the G men. Otherwise, it's the QB that stirs the drink.Louis Lipps Service wrote: ↑Mon Mar 29, 2021 8:32 pmTyreek Hill would be in that category. To your point, though, I dunno. I have a friend who constantly brings this up, and I go back and forth on it. It's certainly getting hard to do, I think, with QB contracts going through the roof, but that's true of every position.Ice wrote: ↑Mon Mar 29, 2021 5:57 pmAre WRs in the NFL even really eligible to be core, franchise players anymore? I mean outside of maybe Julio Jones or possibly Hopkins?
Not for nothing, but you could have three Jujus for the price of Julio Jones and still have enough left to sign three James Conners for about 1.25 million per.
I'm a bigger fan of having 3-4 above average WRs than one great WR. But, that doesn't mean it's a given. Those 3-4 guys need to complement each other since none of them are going to be the complete package, and you need a coaching staff that can scheme them open, and a QB that can make the reads to take advantage of that.
I do think there's something to be said for having a WR that a QB can throw jump balls to downfield and in the red zone with a reasonable amount of success. Maybe you can get that from a guy who isn't necessarily a super star, but it's not easy either. But if that player is a superstar who also excels in the other areas of the field as well, then the defense needs to start shading coverage and whatever else to compensate.
I think the Steelers over the past 3-4 years are the perfect example. We had the super star in Antonio Brown, and Ju Ju greatly benefited from it with his Pro Bowl season. And our offense was near the top of the league in those years.
AB left and we drafted Claypool, which should have given us a very well rounded WR core from top to bottom. Claypool was the big bodied deep threat, Ju Ju was the big and physical possesion WR, Johnston the quick slasher, and Washington as the good spot-substitute that can do multiple things.
But, we had a coaching staff that didn't put those guys in positions to succeed often enough, a QB that struggled to find the open guy at times (often due to there not being an open guy), and a line that often didn't give the QB time to progress through his reads (and of course, the issue of drops throughout the season).
I sincerely believe that if you give last year's WR group to Belicheck and Brady, they'd have dominated other teams.
Arguing with idiots is like playing chess with a pigeon. No matter how good you are, the pigeon is going to shit on the board and strut around like it won anyway.
Do you see anything in my post stating I am upset he dances on tiktok or youtube? No, you don't.stillthere wrote: ↑Mon Mar 29, 2021 5:38 pmThey are not on the same level. JuJu could make a living off his social media "brand" and the rest of them are trying to emulate his success on these platforms. Being upset that he dances on tiktok or youtube is beyond silly.
Dancing on other teams logos was STUPID on multiple levels. Yes, I know he won't be doing it again.
Don't know what's difficult about not seeing JuJu as a future core player for this franchise after Ben is gone.
IMO, there is reason to be concerned about JuJu's influence on the other young WRs. Claypool's statement on the loss to the Browns was not good. We need better leadership at the position.
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Framing it as "goofy" is awfully convenient for you.COR-TEN wrote: ↑Mon Mar 29, 2021 5:28 pmWho says that's what the steelers are doing? JuJu is a rugby player with decent hands that is tough as nails when playing football. He just wears his emotions and personality on his sleeve - and people make judgements on that instead on his football skills. He's goofy, and people don't like goofy, which opens the door to criticism. Besides, nobody other than BR is the core team mate to build around. Once he's gone, all are the same. It sure as hell isn't going to be MR or Conner or Claypool. Nobody on the roster is someone to build a team around.
Again... Dancing on other teams logos was STUPID on multiple levels. Yes I know he won't be doing it again.
You build a locker room and team culture with multiple players. JuJu is not one of those guys, in my view. It's possible that could change.
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He was dancing on the logos and posting the video on his social media accounts the two were interlinked.Havoc wrote: ↑Mon Mar 29, 2021 9:29 pmDo you see anything in my post stating I am upset he dances on tiktok or youtube? No, you don't.stillthere wrote: ↑Mon Mar 29, 2021 5:38 pmThey are not on the same level. JuJu could make a living off his social media "brand" and the rest of them are trying to emulate his success on these platforms. Being upset that he dances on tiktok or youtube is beyond silly.
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You must have loved Fats Holmes and Frenchy Fuqua and Terry Bradshaw, all of whom did flamboyant and in some cases detrimental stuff when they were older than and perhaps even less mature than JuJu is. He's 24 freaking years old. There is a 0% chance he'll be the same person at age 27 as he is now.Havoc wrote: ↑Mon Mar 29, 2021 9:36 pmFraming it as "goofy" is awfully convenient for you.COR-TEN wrote: ↑Mon Mar 29, 2021 5:28 pmWho says that's what the steelers are doing? JuJu is a rugby player with decent hands that is tough as nails when playing football. He just wears his emotions and personality on his sleeve - and people make judgements on that instead on his football skills. He's goofy, and people don't like goofy, which opens the door to criticism. Besides, nobody other than BR is the core team mate to build around. Once he's gone, all are the same. It sure as hell isn't going to be MR or Conner or Claypool. Nobody on the roster is someone to build a team around.
Again... Dancing on other teams logos was STUPID on multiple levels. Yes I know he won't be doing it again.
You build a locker room and team culture with multiple players. JuJu is not one of those guys, in my view. It's possible that could change.
And if your counter is going to be, "Well, that locker room had Mean Joe Greene!", remember than MJG punched dudes in the stomach, threw the ball in the stands, and full-on Lagarrette Blount walked off the field during a game... coincidentally, when he was 24!
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Great post. I’ve been thinking that in the present nfl, offense, especially passing offense success is mostly about scheme. “Separation” is at best a step or less. When you see guys yards open, that’s a broken coverage, somebody fell down, but most likely a combination of things that’s mostly a result of scheme.Ice wrote: ↑Mon Mar 29, 2021 5:57 pmAre WRs in the NFL even really eligible to be core, franchise players anymore? I mean outside of maybe Julio Jones or possibly Hopkins?
Not for nothing, but you could have three Jujus for the price of Julio Jones and still have enough left to sign three James Conners for about 1.25 million per.
Tyreek Hill would be in that category. To your point, though, I dunno. I have a friend who constantly brings this up, and I go back and forth on it. It's certainly getting hard to do, I think, with QB contracts going through the roof, but that's true of every position.
I'm a bigger fan of having 3-4 above average WRs than one great WR. But, that doesn't mean it's a given. Those 3-4 guys need to complement each other since none of them are going to be the complete package, and you need a coaching staff that can scheme them open, and a QB that can make the reads to take advantage of that. [/i]
I do think there's something to be said for having a WR that a QB can throw jump balls to downfield and in the red zone with a reasonable amount of success. Maybe you can get that from a guy who isn't necessarily a super star, but it's not easy either. But if that player is a superstar who also excels in the other areas of the field as well, then the defense needs to start shading coverage and whatever else to compensate.
I think the Steelers over the past 3-4 years are the perfect example. We had the super star in Antonio Brown, and Ju Ju greatly benefited from it with his Pro Bowl season. And our offense was near the top of the league in those years.
AB left and we drafted Claypool, which should have given us a very well rounded WR core from top to bottom. Claypool was the big bodied deep threat, Ju Ju was the big and physical possesion WR, Johnston the quick slasher, and Washington as the good spot-substitute that can do multiple things.
But, we had a coaching staff that didn't put those guys in positions to succeed often enough, a QB that struggled to find the open guy at times (often due to there not being an open guy), and a line that often didn't give the QB time to progress through his reads (and of course, the issue of drops throughout the season).
I sincerely believe that if you give last year's WR group to Belicheck and Brady, they'd have dominated other teams.
Also, concerning moon/jump balls and “combat catches” there’s a specific way of defending used by many teams (not the Steelers) that I think borders on or should be illegal. What happens is regardless of his size the db gets his hand inside the receiver’s hands, specifically in contact with his chest and dislodges the ball as it’s brought in to secure the catch. Unless there’s a rule enforced to address this tactic, moon/jump/combat catches ain’t gonna be what they used to be which will greatly neutralize guys like JUJu, Claypool, and Washington.
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I don't care what players do off the field if the focus is where it needs to be regarding the team.bradshaw2ben wrote: ↑Mon Mar 29, 2021 10:24 pmYou must have loved Fats Holmes and Frenchy Fuqua and Terry Bradshaw, all of whom did flamboyant and in some cases detrimental stuff when they were older than and perhaps even less mature than JuJu is. He's 24 freaking years old. There is a 0% chance he'll be the same person at age 27 as he is now.Havoc wrote: ↑Mon Mar 29, 2021 9:36 pmFraming it as "goofy" is awfully convenient for you.COR-TEN wrote: ↑Mon Mar 29, 2021 5:28 pmWho says that's what the steelers are doing? JuJu is a rugby player with decent hands that is tough as nails when playing football. He just wears his emotions and personality on his sleeve - and people make judgements on that instead on his football skills. He's goofy, and people don't like goofy, which opens the door to criticism. Besides, nobody other than BR is the core team mate to build around. Once he's gone, all are the same. It sure as hell isn't going to be MR or Conner or Claypool. Nobody on the roster is someone to build a team around.
Again... Dancing on other teams logos was STUPID on multiple levels. Yes I know he won't be doing it again.
You build a locker room and team culture with multiple players. JuJu is not one of those guys, in my view. It's possible that could change.
And if your counter is going to be, "Well, that locker room had Mean Joe Greene!", remember than MJG punched dudes in the stomach, threw the ball in the stands, and full-on Lagarrette Blount walked off the field during a game... coincidentally, when he was 24!
I'm not convinced it's there with JuJu. Therefore I would not give him a long term deal if Ben retires. If I trust him in the future then I will think differently.
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That's fair @Havoc
If the caveat is "if Ben retires," long term $ spent on a QB dependent position like WR might not be the smartest allocation of funds regardless.
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I don't think JuJu was intending to offend the other teams by dancing on their logos because he also danced on the Steeler logo before home games. It was just his schtick to dance on the logo--any logo--before the game. I really think he was oblivious to how the other team would take it when he did that. He needs someone to make him aware of things which eventually did happen.Havoc wrote: ↑Mon Mar 29, 2021 9:36 pmFraming it as "goofy" is awfully convenient for you.COR-TEN wrote: ↑Mon Mar 29, 2021 5:28 pmWho says that's what the steelers are doing? JuJu is a rugby player with decent hands that is tough as nails when playing football. He just wears his emotions and personality on his sleeve - and people make judgements on that instead on his football skills. He's goofy, and people don't like goofy, which opens the door to criticism. Besides, nobody other than BR is the core team mate to build around. Once he's gone, all are the same. It sure as hell isn't going to be MR or Conner or Claypool. Nobody on the roster is someone to build a team around.
Again... Dancing on other teams logos was STUPID on multiple levels. Yes I know he won't be doing it again.
You build a locker room and team culture with multiple players. JuJu is not one of those guys, in my view. It's possible that could change.
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https://www.nfl.com/news/juju-smith-sch ... e-signed-wJuJu Smith-Schuster says he would have signed with Chiefs had he not re-signed with Steelers
Published: Apr 08, 2021 at 02:06 PM
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JuJu Smith-Schuster's decision to return to Pittsburgh was a stunner to most everyone in the football world.
Perhaps even more surprising: Smith-Schuster was nearly a Kansas City Chief.
The Steelers receiver admitted as much during an appearance on the Michael Irvin Podcast, telling the Hall of Famer "it would've been K.C." if not Pittsburgh.
That meant Smith-Schuster was considering spurning his division rival, Baltimore, which was also in pursuit of his services. He couldn't stomach becoming a Raven, especially because he wasn't entirely confident in his proposed role within Baltimore's run-first offense.
"[Playing for a rival], too, and I'm curious to see how they're going to be this year having Sammy Watkins and how they're going to use him and throwing the ball and stuff like that," Smith-Schuster said of the Ravens. "Lamar [Jackson]'s a really, a heavy run offense with the backs that he has. I just, just point being facts. His No. 1 target was [Mark] Andrews, who's a tight end. I think, just seeing K.C. and bro, Andy Reid was just calling me and he was sending me Lombardi Trophy pictures like constantly. We had a good talk, so it would've been K.C. after the Steelers.
"Like texted it to me while I was trying to make a decision and I have so much respect for him and his team."
It's hard to argue with the gleam of a Lombardi when considering destinations. After all, where better to go than the place that proved it can get the job done with the organization as is currently constructed?
Well, maybe Super Bowl LV was still fresh on the mind.
Or perhaps Smith-Schuster felt he'd be leaving Pittsburgh prematurely, especially after Ben Roethlisberger managed to strike a new deal that would ensure he'd be with the Steelers for 2021. The whole thing started to have a "Last Dance" feel to it, and it seems like Smith-Schuster didn't want to miss out, especially after the Steelers sputtered across the finish line in 2020 and were a one-and-done exit in the playoffs.
"Being somewhere in an atmosphere and environment, knowing where the team knows you, they know your history, they know how you are, how to use you and stuff like that," Smith-Schuster said when asked what drove him to return to the Steelers. "Coming back and knowing that I would have Ben back for one more year and playing my last year, it was just like, 'Yo, I'm gonna take my chance, I'm gonna play with Ben.'
"Baltimore, K.C., they're all great teams, no doubt. These teams are playoff contenders every year for the next five to 10 years, and I respect that about them. Tee Martin was a coach at USC who coached me, he ended up going to the Ravens and he reached out and that's how that process started. Lamar reached out, the head coach called, Marlon Humphrey's hitting me up. It starts getting serious when the players start texting you and hit you up like, 'Yo, what's up, bro? What we doing? Come win.' All respect to them, and it was cool. But I think with me it's more so staying home, staying loyal. In my situation, we have a new OC, Ben's coming back, my relationship with my receiver coach, Ike Hilliard, is amazing. You can't beat that.
"Being home with the Steelers is the best. It's ideal just for me, you know. I think what really people didn't get to see a lot is later in my career, because I dealt with injuries, I played mainly slot. And coming back and playing outside more this year and showing people that can be a No. 1 and having Ben back healthy and me being healthy and just having the team that we have."
Smith-Schuster sure sounds optimistic about Pittsburgh's chances in 2021, enough to take less money to return to the Steelers on a one-year deal worth $8 million. We'll learn this season if it pays off.
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Maybe he knows something we don't about this coming year. I have no idea what, but if he had a chance to go to KC and chose this sinking ship, good for him, I guess.
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This off-season has had a bit of a glass half empty feel because of what COVID has caused. Of course, it is like that for all 32 teams.
If next season were going to be a down year for Smith-Schuster, his stock probably remains higher after a low season in Pittsburgh than somewhere else - especially Kansas City. There are a lot of mouths to feed in that offense, and no guarantee he could have fit right in.
Plus he should be expected to thrive next season, and give us all something to think about going forward. Antics aside, JuJu is the closest player to Hines Ward we may see on the Steelers for awhile. And I liked Hines.
If next season were going to be a down year for Smith-Schuster, his stock probably remains higher after a low season in Pittsburgh than somewhere else - especially Kansas City. There are a lot of mouths to feed in that offense, and no guarantee he could have fit right in.
Plus he should be expected to thrive next season, and give us all something to think about going forward. Antics aside, JuJu is the closest player to Hines Ward we may see on the Steelers for awhile. And I liked Hines.
Youre kidding about the ball stripping thing right? Defenders already cant breathe on a receiver after 5 yards and you want to make THAT illegal? There are already historically high score games. More 50 point games than ever before, by far. My God man.Rod & Wire Mill wrote: ↑Mon Mar 29, 2021 10:27 pmGreat post. I’ve been thinking that in the present nfl, offense, especially passing offense success is mostly about scheme. “Separation” is at best a step or less. When you see guys yards open, that’s a broken coverage, somebody fell down, but most likely a combination of things that’s mostly a result of scheme.Ice wrote: ↑Mon Mar 29, 2021 5:57 pmAre WRs in the NFL even really eligible to be core, franchise players anymore? I mean outside of maybe Julio Jones or possibly Hopkins?
Not for nothing, but you could have three Jujus for the price of Julio Jones and still have enough left to sign three James Conners for about 1.25 million per.
Tyreek Hill would be in that category. To your point, though, I dunno. I have a friend who constantly brings this up, and I go back and forth on it. It's certainly getting hard to do, I think, with QB contracts going through the roof, but that's true of every position.
I'm a bigger fan of having 3-4 above average WRs than one great WR. But, that doesn't mean it's a given. Those 3-4 guys need to complement each other since none of them are going to be the complete package, and you need a coaching staff that can scheme them open, and a QB that can make the reads to take advantage of that. [/i]
I do think there's something to be said for having a WR that a QB can throw jump balls to downfield and in the red zone with a reasonable amount of success. Maybe you can get that from a guy who isn't necessarily a super star, but it's not easy either. But if that player is a superstar who also excels in the other areas of the field as well, then the defense needs to start shading coverage and whatever else to compensate.
I think the Steelers over the past 3-4 years are the perfect example. We had the super star in Antonio Brown, and Ju Ju greatly benefited from it with his Pro Bowl season. And our offense was near the top of the league in those years.
AB left and we drafted Claypool, which should have given us a very well rounded WR core from top to bottom. Claypool was the big bodied deep threat, Ju Ju was the big and physical possesion WR, Johnston the quick slasher, and Washington as the good spot-substitute that can do multiple things.
But, we had a coaching staff that didn't put those guys in positions to succeed often enough, a QB that struggled to find the open guy at times (often due to there not being an open guy), and a line that often didn't give the QB time to progress through his reads (and of course, the issue of drops throughout the season).
I sincerely believe that if you give last year's WR group to Belicheck and Brady, they'd have dominated other teams.
Also, concerning moon/jump balls and “combat catches” there’s a specific way of defending used by many teams (not the Steelers) that I think borders on or should be illegal. What happens is regardless of his size the db gets his hand inside the receiver’s hands, specifically in contact with his chest and dislodges the ball as it’s brought in to secure the catch. Unless there’s a rule enforced to address this tactic, moon/jump/combat catches ain’t gonna be what they used to be which will greatly neutralize guys like JUJu, Claypool, and Washington.
Fuck it. Lets make it illegal for the defense to try to strip the ball from the RB while we are at it.
Maybe he doesn't think it's a sinking ship.Stlcrtn1974 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 9:08 pmMaybe he knows something we don't about this coming year. I have no idea what, but if he had a chance to go to KC and chose this sinking ship, good for him, I guess.
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Who is going to be blocking for Mahomes in KC next year? They may have a line very similar to the line we saw in the Superbowl against Tampa Bay next year.El Kabong wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 1:39 amMaybe he doesn't think it's a sinking ship.Stlcrtn1974 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 9:08 pmMaybe he knows something we don't about this coming year. I have no idea what, but if he had a chance to go to KC and chose this sinking ship, good for him, I guess.
JuJu never exactly seemed like a rocket scientist (that's Josh Dobbs) so you're probably right.El Kabong wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 1:39 amMaybe he doesn't think it's a sinking ship.Stlcrtn1974 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 9:08 pmMaybe he knows something we don't about this coming year. I have no idea what, but if he had a chance to go to KC and chose this sinking ship, good for him, I guess.
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I don't forget it. It was stupid. But he took his medicine like a man. It's like you guys forgot you had Antonio Brown on the team.
If dancing on the logo and TikTok'ing is the worst I can expect from him, I would take that all day long over the parade of divas and mental cases playing the position on other teams.
He's a stud that puts forth max effort, plays hurt and gives you everything. And he gave us a bona fide hometown discount. You'd think that would count for something. I like the kid when we drafted him, always have and always will.
Oh yeah, and there's this little bit of hard karma that STILL puts a smile on my face:
https://youtu.be/fOfIObhGMe0
I loved JuJu as a prospect coming out. That year I wanted either him or Chris Godwin, but now after the last two years, his career has sort of declined.
I think people have quickly pivoted and conveniently forgotten how dynamic JuJu was his first two years. Fans want to build up this narrative of how he is the next Hines Ward, how they love his toughness, etc.
Me? I am disappointed. I want that JuJu who had what was it?, 6-7 catches over 60+ yards back. I want that JuJu who had two 97 yard TDs back.
I think he has had some lower leg/knee injuries that have robbed him of his speed. When he entered the NFL he ran a 4.54 and JuJu said he had lower times then that in private workouts and I believe him and those first two years he did have those long catch and runs to prove it.
But now, now instead of being able to play like a Lamborghini at times, he now plays like a beat up Minivan at all times. Moving forward in 2022, I hope the Steelers don't pay JuJu like a Lamborghini because that would be a huge mistake.
Props to Matt Williamson for the Lamborghini/Minivan comparison, he was using that in terms of describing how a team may trade up in an expensive way for Mac Jones, thinking they are getting his fast sports car but finding out later that they are only getting a minivan.
The Steelers are not going into this blindly however, they have seen what JuJu has done the past two years, if this next year is no different, if he doesn't trend back to the player he was his first two years, they should move on from him.
I think people have quickly pivoted and conveniently forgotten how dynamic JuJu was his first two years. Fans want to build up this narrative of how he is the next Hines Ward, how they love his toughness, etc.
Me? I am disappointed. I want that JuJu who had what was it?, 6-7 catches over 60+ yards back. I want that JuJu who had two 97 yard TDs back.
I think he has had some lower leg/knee injuries that have robbed him of his speed. When he entered the NFL he ran a 4.54 and JuJu said he had lower times then that in private workouts and I believe him and those first two years he did have those long catch and runs to prove it.
But now, now instead of being able to play like a Lamborghini at times, he now plays like a beat up Minivan at all times. Moving forward in 2022, I hope the Steelers don't pay JuJu like a Lamborghini because that would be a huge mistake.
Props to Matt Williamson for the Lamborghini/Minivan comparison, he was using that in terms of describing how a team may trade up in an expensive way for Mac Jones, thinking they are getting his fast sports car but finding out later that they are only getting a minivan.
The Steelers are not going into this blindly however, they have seen what JuJu has done the past two years, if this next year is no different, if he doesn't trend back to the player he was his first two years, they should move on from him.
TWO Bengals getting crushed on the same play by JuJu and Bell. And Gruden crying about it.drmalba wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 6:17 pmI don't forget it. It was stupid. But he took his medicine like a man. It's like you guys forgot you had Antonio Brown on the team.
If dancing on the logo and TikTok'ing is the worst I can expect from him, I would take that all day long over the parade of divas and mental cases playing the position on other teams.
He's a stud that puts forth max effort, plays hurt and gives you everything. And he gave us a bona fide hometown discount. You'd think that would count for something. I like the kid when we drafted him, always have and always will.
Oh yeah, and there's this little bit of hard karma that STILL puts a smile on my face:
https://youtu.be/fOfIObhGMe0
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities."
--Voltaire
--Voltaire
That video does nothing for me going forward. Receivers get paid to go up and get it, get separation and catch it, wall off defenders and catch it. If the highlight for your wr is a block you have problems at the position.drmalba wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 6:17 pmI don't forget it. It was stupid. But he took his medicine like a man. It's like you guys forgot you had Antonio Brown on the team.
If dancing on the logo and TikTok'ing is the worst I can expect from him, I would take that all day long over the parade of divas and mental cases playing the position on other teams.
He's a stud that puts forth max effort, plays hurt and gives you everything. And he gave us a bona fide hometown discount. You'd think that would count for something. I like the kid when we drafted him, always have and always will.
Oh yeah, and there's this little bit of hard karma that STILL puts a smile on my face:
https://youtu.be/fOfIObhGMe0
I already said we are better off with JuJu on the team this year. I doubt he will get a long term deal with us and I don't think he should unless he kills it next year.
It bothers me on a competitor level, the asinine dancing on logos. Something is missing there. I'll be pulling for him this year.
Throw. The. Football. On. First. Down.
I agree. And my response to the "get off my lawn" folks is that we hear about this shit from few other players. But a disproportionate number of them happen to play for Tomlin, it seems.Havoc wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 12:39 amI already said we are better off with JuJu on the team this year. I doubt he will get a long term deal with us and I don't think he should unless he kills it next year.
It bothers me on a competitor level, the asinine dancing on logos. Something is missing there. I'll be pulling for him this year.
I don't question the talent or effort, but I do question the focus and leadership going forward from JuJu. It is a business for a lot of these guys, and just a paycheck for a bunch. But when you take it to the level JuJu had, that's a red flag. And that goes double when he starts mentoring other players in that same crap.
Side hustles for a lot of well paying professions - professions that pay a lot less than the NFL - are unacceptable. 100% of your focus has to be on football for a whole, whopping 5-6 months. You have to work a side hustle during pre-game?!? That's fucking ridiculous and Tomlin should laid down the law the first time it happened.
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Ben comes back, Tomlin doesn't = CHAMPIONSHIP!!!
Ben comes back, Tomlin doesn't = CHAMPIONSHIP!!!