Source: Ben Hears All the Noise/Disrespect; Coming Guns-a-Blazing

[K_C_]

I wasn’t really a Cowher fan, but at least he held his players responsible.
Unlike Shades who lets AB be AB because he does AB things in stadiums…..or whatever the fuck bullshit he spewed outta his trap.
People claim that Shades is a “players coach”, yet we have a number of players…Harrison, AB, Bell, Blount, James, AV, Fort, Nelson…taking shots on the way out. Maybe we need to open our eyes to the problem. The guy is a fucking fraud.

Great post…

Cowher coached an entirely different generation of players, guys. And he was conservative as shit in the postseason except for 95 and that one playoff run with Ben. It wouldn't take long with him as coach for you all to remember where KC and FC came from.

I said in an earlier post that I loathed Cowher.

....and I would also drive Tomlin out of town and physically kick him out of my car if it meant re-hiring Cowher to replace him.

Cowher was stubborn in certain areas to the point you wanted to kill him, but he wasn't an imbecile.

Tomlin, on the other hand, is a proud unabashed imbecile.

[K_C_]

Maybe Tomlins "antics" with players etc influenced Munchaks departure. He left for another O line coach job, no significant promotion?? The teams overall success level started to go downhill with his departure. That was a big kick in the balls.

Great post and your scenario is very likely.

Munchak leaving for a lateral position is all I needed to hear to know he was jumping off a sinking ship.

....and this season that ship will hit bottom.

[COR-TEN]

I wasn’t really a Cowher fan, but at least he held his players responsible.
Unlike Shades who lets AB be AB because he does AB things in stadiums…..or whatever the fuck bullshit he spewed outta his trap.
People claim that Shades is a “players coach”, yet we have a number of players…Harrison, AB, Bell, Blount, James, AV, Fort, Nelson…taking shots on the way out. Maybe we need to open our eyes to the problem. The guy is a fucking fraud.

Great post…

Cowher coached an entirely different generation of players, guys. And he was conservative as shit in the postseason except for 95 and that one playoff run with Ben. It wouldn't take long with him as coach for you all to remember where KC and FC came from.

And a different generation of rules. Defenses started to get their hands tied, and couldn't intimidate the way cowhers teams could. I would also add that contracts during cowhers era weren't as overblown and obscene as they are today (or during tomlins tenure), not to mention new CBA rules. I'm not defending tomlin, but to ranking the two is an exercise in futility and mental masturbation.

[SteelerDayTrader]

I rank Cowher and Tomlin about the same.....pretty good.....capable of beating the very best at times....

Tomlin has 1 really huge flaw

He is a good soldier to a fault

Cowher more than once told Rooney to kiss his ass (and that was the best Rooney) and Cowher always got everything he wanted

Tomlin from day 1 accepted the fact that Deuce was going to be heavily involved and that more than anything else has been a real tough hurdle to overcome every season

Tomlin believes too strongly in his ability to make do with Rooney’s bs and financial hamstrings

I suspect that overriding “it is what it is and I will make the best of it” approach has contributed to Tomlins kryptonite on the field .....the RB unit

If Cowher had to deal with what Tomlin deals with I suspect the results would be about the same

Like I said.....I think they are both fairly similar in some ways and I don’t see one being decidedly better or worse at this point

[K_C_]

Like I said.....I think they are both fairly similar in some ways and I don’t see one being decidedly better or worse at this point

Then you need professional mental help.

[SteelerDayTrader]

Like I said.....I think they are both fairly similar in some ways and I don’t see one being decidedly better or worse at this point

Then you need professional mental help.

Lolz......ok

[K_C_]

I'm not defending tomlin, but to ranking the two is an exercise in futility and mental masturbation.

You can't defend Tomlin or compare him to Cowher.

Cowher blows Tomlin out of the water and it isn't close.

Cowher had 3 years with Ben Roethlisberger. The ONLY franchise QB Cowher ever had.

Season one, the Steelers go 15-1 and lose to Belichick and Brady in the AFC Championship game. A game the Pats shouldn't even have been in because of the tuck rule bullshit. Cowher came within a cunt hair of going to a Super Bowl in Roethlisbergers rookie year. Think about that.

Season two, Cowher and Ben win the Super Bowl. With a pretty terrible performance from Roethlisberger. Cowher adapted in the postseason and let Roethlisberger air it out. Attacked downfield a shitload. Wasn't the first time Cowher allowed his offense to air it out. O'Donnell got the Steelers to a Super Bowl by throwing it all over the field with plenty of 5 wide.

Season three, Ben is a fucking idiot, bounces his head off a Buick and basically destroys the season all by himself.

Cowher quits.

That's all that really need be said. Should Cowher be blamed for not prioritizing acquiring a franchise QB? Sure. But one he got one, Cowher knew how to win big with that guy.

Hell, Cowher got to Super Bowls and AFC championships with Kordell Stewart and Neil O'Donnell.

ANYBODY believing Tomlin is in the same league as Cowher is fucking mental.

[SteelerDayTrader]

And yet you bitched like a Karen for most of his tenure and when smarter people called you on it you doubled down with the kill Cowher bullshit

I suspect when Tomlin leaves it will be more of the same sooner or later

[K_C_]

And yet you bitched like a Karen for most of his tenure and when smarter people called you on it you doubled down with the kill Cowher bullshit

I suspect when Tomlin leaves it will be more of the same sooner or later

I bitched for all the right reasons, sweetie pie....and I don't regret the Kill Cowher moniker for one millisecond.

Cowher's refusal to find or rather, DEMAND a fucking franchise QB is why it took him until the end of his career WITH A FRANCHISE QB to win a Super Bowl.

He also too often, like the empty suit who now gets routinely rolled by Blake Bortles and Ryan Finley had that embarrassing "we do what we do" philosophy.

But Cowher, when he adapted, could be highly successful. Tomlin, or as he should be called; "the 1 and done waiting to happen" couldn't coach his way out of a paper bag.

The good news is the shine is coming off Cool Shades this season. Big time.

Don't be surprised if your boy hangs em real soon. Cool Shades might even beat Ben to the retirement party.

[Roeth2Rudolph]

I wonder how Tomlin would have done w/ O'Donnell and Kordell???

[SteelerDayTrader]

I wonder how Tomlin would have done w/ O'Donnell and Kordell???

Probably about the same......

[Jizz Mop]

I wonder how Tomlin would have done w/ O'Donnell and Kordell???

Probably about the same......

Lolz, ok

[Thrillsseeker]

Maybe Tomlins "antics" with players etc influenced Munchaks departure. He left for another O line coach job, no significant promotion?? The teams overall success level started to go downhill with his departure. That was a big kick in the balls.

Moving for your family is a legit reason. Daughter and grandkid (s) in Denver but, he absolutely new the shitshow Tomlin was running. Wish we could know his thoughts on it. He beats Tomlin and the Steelers and what was it, the next year he’s the oline coach for Tomlins shitshow? He probably ran all the way to Denver.

[K_C_]

I wonder how Tomlin would have done w/ O'Donnell and Kordell???

Probably about the same......

Have you seriously ever considered being a professional comedian?

[SteelerDayTrader]

Lolz

What did Cowher do with Kordell and ODonnell ??

Nothing

I will never ever not think ODonnell was paid off for those picks btw.

[Kodiak]

What did Cowher do with Kordell and ODonnell ??

Memory is a bit sketch...but I think 4 AFCC's and 1 SB?

Or, more or less what Tomlin has done with a 1st ballot HOF QB. You don't have to be a used car salesman to see the idiocy in this comparison.

Cowher shits all over Tomlin. Let's stop with propping up cool shades with revisionist history. 5 years ago it wasn't necessary....until we got to see who Dumblin really is.

[SteelerDayTrader]

What did Cowher do with Kordell and ODonnell ??

Memory is a bit sketch...but I think 4 AFCC's and 1 SB?

Or, more or less what Tomlin has done with a 1st ballot HOF QB. You don't have to be a used car salesman to see the idiocy in this comparison.

Cowher shits all over Tomlin. Let's stop with propping up cool shades with revisionist history. 5 years ago it wasn't necessary....until we got to see who Dumblin really is.

Lolololz

The ONLY THING that matters in the end is Lombardis......and MAYBE .....SB appearances

In that department.....the only one that matters......they are currently even.....like I said

[Kodiak]

Lolololz

The ONLY THING that matters in the end is Lombardis......and MAYBE .....SB appearances

In that department.....the only one that matters......they are currently even.....like I said

Sure. Lower the bar. That doesn't make you a racist, or anything like that


Tomlin could rim your wife's ass and you'd blame Rooney. The irony is he'd do a half-ass job of it.

[Professor Half Wit]

Lolololz

The ONLY THING that matters in the end is Lombardis......and MAYBE .....SB appearances

In that department.....the only one that matters......they are currently even.....like I said

Sure. Lower the bar. That doesn't make you a racist, or anything like that


Tomlin could rim your wife's ass and you'd blame Rooney. The irony is he'd do a half-ass job of it.

The other retort is to deny that SBs are the only things that matter. It's not like STD has a good argument for that position, one that could withstand scrutiny.

[SteelerDayTrader]

Lolololz

The ONLY THING that matters in the end is Lombardis......and MAYBE .....SB appearances

In that department.....the only one that matters......they are currently even.....like I said

Sure. Lower the bar. That doesn't make you a racist, or anything like that


Tomlin could rim your wife's ass and you'd blame Rooney. The irony is he'd do a half-ass job of it.

Project much ??

Rings are the ONLY thing that matters

[SteelerDayTrader]

Lolololz

The ONLY THING that matters in the end is Lombardis......and MAYBE .....SB appearances

In that department.....the only one that matters......they are currently even.....like I said

Sure. Lower the bar. That doesn't make you a racist, or anything like that


Tomlin could rim your wife's ass and you'd blame Rooney. The irony is he'd do a half-ass job of it.

The other retort is to deny that SBs are the only things that matter. It's not like STD has a good argument for that position, one that could withstand scrutiny.

Lolz.....what scrutiny ass licker ??

Lombardis are what matter most

No one with any sense thinks losing a CCG adds up to anything

[Roeth2Rudolph]

Lolz.....what scrutiny ass licker ??

Lombardis are what matter most

No one with any sense thinks losing a CCG adds up to anything

Well, I certainly prefer it to watching Tomlin take ass-rapings from Tebow, Bortles and Mayfield.

[Ice]

Sure. Lower the bar. That doesn't make you a racist, or anything like that


Tomlin could rim your wife's ass and you'd blame Rooney. The irony is he'd do a half-ass job of it.

The other retort is to deny that SBs are the only things that matter. It's not like STD has a good argument for that position, one that could withstand scrutiny.

Lolz.....what scrutiny ass licker ??

Lombardis are what matter most

No one with any sense thinks losing a CCG adds up to anything

Well, I mean, you do get to coach the Pro Bowl

[Professor Half Wit]

Sure. Lower the bar. That doesn't make you a racist, or anything like that


Tomlin could rim your wife's ass and you'd blame Rooney. The irony is he'd do a half-ass job of it.

The other retort is to deny that SBs are the only things that matter. It's not like STD has a good argument for that position, one that could withstand scrutiny.

Lolz.....what scrutiny ass licker ??

Lombardis are what matter most

No one with any sense thinks losing a CCG adds up to anything

WOW, two responses and neither containing an argument in support of the position in question. I'm SHOCKED. QED.

[SteelerDayTrader]

[Roeth2Rudolph]

Psshh, we all know that even std doesn't believe retardlin had anything to do with that SB in 08. It was a Switzer/Cowboy type SB, nothing more.

Without Tardlin's training wheels (Lebeau/Arians/Haley) and a Cowher built team, he's a .500 coach at best, and that's with a HOF QB.

[SteelerDayTrader]

As I said earlier

I rank Cowher and Tomlin about the same....pretty good.....not tops in their eras but good enough to beat and be the very best at times if things line up right

Tomlin has had to deal with the worst Rooney and the fact he is reluctant to do what it takes to win

The Tomlin Era has had to deal with

the smallest scouting department in the nfl
the smallest and likely lowest paid coaching staff in the nfl
multiple key coaching moves that seem like the hc isn’t the genesis of
some pretty poor drafts in regards to both short term and long term Steelers specific needs

At the end of the day Cowher and Tomlin are both currently
tied in the only stat that matters in the nfl

Tomlin still has an opportunity to break the tie....

[K_C_]

As I said earlier

I rank Cowher and Tomlin about the same....pretty good.....not tops in their eras but good enough to beat and be the very best at times if things line up right

Tomlin has had to deal with the worst Rooney and the fact he is reluctant to do what it takes to win

The Tomlin Era has had to deal with

the smallest scouting department in the nfl
the smallest and likely lowest paid coaching staff in the nfl
multiple key coaching moves that seem like the hc isn’t the genesis of
some pretty poor drafts in regards to both short term and long term Steelers specific needs

At the end of the day Cowher and Tomlin are both currently
tied in the only stat that matters in the nfl

Tomlin still has an opportunity to break the tie....

I'll ask again....have you ever considered becoming a professional comedian?

[Roeth2Rudolph]

As I said earlier

I rank Cowher and Tomlin about the same....pretty good.....not tops in their eras but good enough to beat and be the very best at times if things line up right

Tomlin has had to deal with the worst Rooney and the fact he is reluctant to do what it takes to win

The Tomlin Era has had to deal with

the smallest scouting department in the nfl
the smallest and likely lowest paid coaching staff in the nfl
multiple key coaching moves that seem like the hc isn’t the genesis of
some pretty poor drafts in regards to both short term and long term Steelers specific needs

At the end of the day Cowher and Tomlin are both currently
tied in the only stat that matters in the nfl

Tomlin still has an opportunity to break the tie....

I'll ask again....have you ever considered becoming a professional comedian?

No doubt... As if he doesn't know that Rooney (Colbert) is the only thing that's kept the team afloat. They've had to keep importing assistants with fully functioning human brains to even be remotely competitive, all of whom leave after getting tired of being hamstrung by Tardlin's mental deficiencies. Cowher's team in 08 was run by Lebeau/Arians. Everybody knows it, including std. Tomlin was hired as a mouthpiece to garner the favor of indoctrinated idiots, nothing more.

[El Kabong]

As I said earlier

I rank Cowher and Tomlin about the same....pretty good.....not tops in their eras but good enough to beat and be the very best at times if things line up right

Tomlin has had to deal with the worst Rooney and the fact he is reluctant to do what it takes to win

The Tomlin Era has had to deal with

the smallest scouting department in the nfl
the smallest and likely lowest paid coaching staff in the nfl
multiple key coaching moves that seem like the hc isn’t the genesis of
some pretty poor drafts in regards to both short term and long term Steelers specific needs

At the end of the day Cowher and Tomlin are both currently
tied in the only stat that matters in the nfl

Tomlin still has an opportunity to break the tie....

I'll ask again....have you ever considered becoming a professional comedian?

No doubt... As if he doesn't know that Rooney (Colbert) is the only thing that's kept the team afloat. They've had to keep importing assistants with fully functioning human brains to even be remotely competitive, all of whom leave after getting tired of being hamstrung by Tardlin's mental deficiencies. Cowher's team in 08 was run by Lebeau/Arians. Everybody knows it, including std. Tomlin was hired as a mouthpiece to garner the favor of indoctrinated idiots, nothing more.

Arians was fired, Haley was fired, Fichtner was fired, LeBeau was fired, Butler was demoted and is still with the team. Refresh my memory on who all these assistant coaches were who left the Steelers because they knew Tomlin sucked. And if you say Munchak, I will say "Objection! Assumes facts not in evidence!"