The QB Situation in the NFL Is a ShitSHOW

[Steelperch]

The Steelers went to a Superbowl with Neil O'Donnell at QB.

Do you see Pickett's ceiling as better or worse than O'Donnell?

I think Pickett’s ceiling is a little better because of the mobility. Rookie years are pretty similar so far.

[Mick]

The Steelers went to a Superbowl with Neil O'Donnell at QB.

Do you see Pickett's ceiling as better or worse than O'Donnell?

I think Pickett’s ceiling is a little better because of the mobility. Rookie years are pretty similar so far.

that was O’Donnell’s second year.

[beerbrother]

The Steelers went to a Superbowl with Neil O'Donnell at QB.

Do you see Pickett's ceiling as better or worse than O'Donnell?

I think Pickett’s ceiling is a little better because of the mobility. Rookie years are pretty similar so far.

My biggest concern with Pickett is arm strength. Don't know how much that will improve.

He does show some balls at times getting in the face of the defense.

And as the O-line gels his stats will look better.

However would need a shutout type defense to compete with Mahomes, Allen, Burrows.

[SteelerDayTrader]

And Fields…

Another QB currently younger than Pickett, and likely another QB who will never contend for a title. Pickett needs to be on par with:

Mahomes
Allen
Lawrence
Herbert
Burrow
Jackson
Watson
Tua

Just to get the Steelers a chance at getting out of the AFC. All of those QBs are 26 or younger. 3 of them are younger than Pickett. That’s his peer group. That is who the fan base should expect his play to match. Unless the goal is to sit around and jerk each other off for the next 10 years and pretend the team has a shot at anything other than an occasional 10 win season and a wild card loss.

I remember when this fan base had expectations and male genitalia. Now it just has apologies and false hope.

[Jizz Mop]

We need a ball washer emoji

[Professor Half Wit]

We need a ball washer emoji

[beerbrother]

[beerbrother]

[bradshaw2ben]

Jizz, I seriously doubt KP is the answer. But I will seriously doubt anyone we draft is the answer. Guys like Bradshaw and Ben are rare as hens’ teeth. I don’t root against Kenny. I root for him. I just think the odds of him being *the guy* are plainly against him.

But I also think a lot of posters are delusional if they think the odds of anyone else we draft being *the guy* are better.

How many R1 QBs turn out like Ben or Mahommes or Allen? What’s the percentage?

Meanwhile, I’ll root like hell for Kenny to kick ass and take names.

This is why I think the most favorable strategy is to keep investing in the QB position until you find one with some special skills who actually pans out at the NFL level. If you're concerned about spending too much capital, then a 1st rounder one year, a 3rd or 4th rounder the next year who might well be a fine backup, a UDFA in the mix. If the first one doesn't hit it big in the first two years, then feel free to draft another one high and so on.

Hell, Green Bay had pro bowler Majowski, traded for Brett Favre, drafted Ty Detmer, then drafted Mark Brunell the next year. They ended up getting a 3rd and a 5th for Brunell and a good comp pick for Detmer after they let him go to sign Jim McMahon & former UDFA Doug Pederson.

But, of course, that was for a HC who was interested in investing in the offense and valued QBs.

[bradshaw2ben]

The Steelers went to a Superbowl with Neil O'Donnell at QB.

Do you see Pickett's ceiling as better or worse than O'Donnell?

I think Pickett’s ceiling is a little better because of the mobility. Rookie years are pretty similar so far.

My biggest concern with Pickett is arm strength. Don't know how much that will improve.

He does show some balls at times getting in the face of the defense.

And as the O-line gels his stats will look better.

However would need a shutout type defense to compete with Mahomes, Allen, Burrows.

The thing about arm strength with accuracy is is tends to be accompanied by extreme confidence in making throws to dangerous areas of the field or small windows, even in pressure-filled moments. Even when no one is obviously open.

[gojira5150]

18 years without a losing season
3 SB trips
2 rings
HOF career
8 Division titles
12 playoff appearances
Rookie of the Year
Etc……etc….etc….

All that's true....and we didn't seriously contend for a ring in what, the last 12 years or so?

I wouldn’t say that at all. They ran into a an awful stretch of injury luck when Bell, Brown etc,.. kept getting hurt late in the year. They lost an AFC title game in 2016. That’s contending. You could say Dan Marino never contended after his rookie year. Doesn’t mean he wasn’t great.

Do you honestly see a Kenny Pickett led team getting past Mahomes, Allen, Herbert, Burrow etc….? Maybe a fluke win over one of them, chance of beating 2 or 3 in the same postseason is near zero. Unless Kenny evolves into something he never was in college.

What I dont get with all the posters who hate KP is who would be your starting QB (that could be ripped apart). MR? Rookies coming out this year. Bryce is small and won't last 5 years resourcing in the AFCN. When's the last time a OSU QB has done anything in the NFL.

Who's the QB you want that will flourish under Jibba and quite possibly the worse OC in the NFL.
I'll be waiting

[El Kabong]

I think Pickett’s ceiling is a little better because of the mobility. Rookie years are pretty similar so far.

My biggest concern with Pickett is arm strength. Don't know how much that will improve.

He does show some balls at times getting in the face of the defense.

And as the O-line gels his stats will look better.

However would need a shutout type defense to compete with Mahomes, Allen, Burrows.

The thing about arm strength with accuracy is is tends to be accompanied by extreme confidence in making throws to dangerous areas of the field or small windows, even in pressure-filled moments. Even when no one is obviously open.

You just described Ben's Super Bowl winning throw.

[Jobu]

My biggest concern with Pickett is arm strength. Don't know how much that will improve.

He does show some balls at times getting in the face of the defense.

And as the O-line gels his stats will look better.

However would need a shutout type defense to compete with Mahomes, Allen, Burrows.

The thing about arm strength with accuracy is is tends to be accompanied by extreme confidence in making throws to dangerous areas of the field or small windows, even in pressure-filled moments. Even when no one is obviously open.

You just described Ben's Super Bowl winning throw.

And many others throughout his career…

[BouldernBun]

We need a ball washer emoji

Did emoji have any luck?

[Orangesteel]

*UPDATE* from Orangesteel

We have another shit QB starting on Sunday, none other than SF favorite David Blough will be the 64th starting QB this season in the NFL tying a record and leading the charge for the last place Arizona Cardinals.

Is it pronounced “Blow”? Or “Bluh”? Or “Blwow”?

[Ice]

And Fields…

Another QB currently younger than Pickett, and likely another QB who will never contend for a title. Pickett needs to be on par with:

Mahomes
Allen
Lawrence
Herbert
Burrow
Jackson
Watson
Tua

Just to get the Steelers a chance at getting out of the AFC. All of those QBs are 26 or younger. 3 of them are younger than Pickett. That’s his peer group. That is who the fan base should expect his play to match. Unless the goal is to sit around and jerk each other off for the next 10 years and pretend the team has a shot at anything other than an occasional 10 win season and a wild card loss.

I remember when this fan base had expectations and male genitalia. Now it just has apologies and false hope.

With respect to the list above, Jackson, Tua and Watson haven't exactly set the world on fire this year. I'll give you the rest.

[El Kabong]

Another QB currently younger than Pickett, and likely another QB who will never contend for a title. Pickett needs to be on par with:

Mahomes
Allen
Lawrence
Herbert
Burrow
Jackson
Watson
Tua

Just to get the Steelers a chance at getting out of the AFC. All of those QBs are 26 or younger. 3 of them are younger than Pickett. That’s his peer group. That is who the fan base should expect his play to match. Unless the goal is to sit around and jerk each other off for the next 10 years and pretend the team has a shot at anything other than an occasional 10 win season and a wild card loss.

I remember when this fan base had expectations and male genitalia. Now it just has apologies and false hope.

With respect to the list above, Jackson, Tua and Watson haven't exactly set the world on fire this year. I'll give you the rest.

I was thinking the same.

[El Kabong]

Something else I was thinking is the fact that once a franchise QB gets a second contract, that contract takes up so much of the salary cap that it's hard to field a competitive team. It may be that none of those QB's will ever win a super bowl once they have their second contract. Teams win, not just QB's. If we have an overall better team than the ones those QB's have, even if we have a lesser QB, we can beat them.

[Ice]

The Chefs did a pretty darn good deal with Mahomes, but yeah, they didn't trade Hill because they didn't like him anymore.

[Orangesteel]

Something else I was thinking is the fact that once a franchise QB gets a second contract, that contract takes up so much of the salary cap that it's hard to field a competitive team. It may be that none of those QB's will ever win a super bowl once they have their second contract. Teams win, not just QB's. If we have an overall better team than the ones those QB's have, even if we have a lesser QB, we can beat them.

The 49ers are the team I want the Steelers to shoot for. Of course we would need to jettison 95% of our roster and flush our coaches down the commode like a giant loaf, but one can dream right?

[K_C_]

Pickett's the guy and is going to be the guy for quite awhile.

To me, the more interesting subject these days is who is going to be Kenny's back-up.

Trubisky's contract is only guaranteed through this season and Mason is going to get out of Dodge on the first train the second the season ends.

Look forward to seeing what they do with the back up QB situation.

[Jizz Mop]

Pickett's the guy and is going to be the guy for quite awhile.

To me, the more interesting subject these days is who is going to be Kenny's back-up.

Trubisky's contract is only guaranteed through this season and Mason is going to get out of Dodge on the first train the second the season ends.

Look forward to seeing what they do with the back up QB situation.

While watching White Lotus I noticed Uncle Rico, while older and perhaps not as spry, is back out in the spotlight.

Perhaps we can lure him here.

[jebrick]

The Steelers went to a Superbowl with Neil O'Donnell at QB.

Do you see Pickett's ceiling as better or worse than O'Donnell?

I think Pickett’s ceiling is a little better because of the mobility. Rookie years are pretty similar so far.

My biggest concern with Pickett is arm strength. Don't know how much that will improve.

He does show some balls at times getting in the face of the defense.

And as the O-line gels his stats will look better.

However would need a shutout type defense to compete with Mahomes, Allen, Burrows.

Arm strength is not going to noticeably change.

I think Pickett will be a top tier backup in the league. I have thought that before the draft.

The Steelers made a mistake in not building the team before drafting the QB. Nothing to do at this point but ride it out.

[Jizz Mop]

LT, NT/DT, C/G

First three picks

A draft not prioritizing the trenches next April should be considered a dereliction of duties

[Professor Half Wit]

I think Pickett’s ceiling is a little better because of the mobility. Rookie years are pretty similar so far.

My biggest concern with Pickett is arm strength. Don't know how much that will improve.

He does show some balls at times getting in the face of the defense.

And as the O-line gels his stats will look better.

However would need a shutout type defense to compete with Mahomes, Allen, Burrows.

Arm strength is not going to noticeably change.

I think Pickett will be a top tier backup in the league. I have thought that before the draft.

The Steelers made a mistake in not building the team before drafting the QB. Nothing to do at this point but ride it out.

I think this about any QB drafted before I'm given solid evidence to the contrary.

[Professor Half Wit]

LT, NT/DT, C/G

First three picks

A draft not prioritizing the trenches next April should be considered a dereliction of duties

Need a CB1 just as badly as any of those picks. I'd rank C lower than LT, DL, and CB.

[jebrick]

LT, NT/DT, C/G

First three picks

A draft not prioritizing the trenches next April should be considered a dereliction of duties

Need a CB1 just as badly as any of those picks. I'd rank C lower than LT, DL, and CB.

Unless they change their defensive scheme, CB is not a high priority. They can get off man/zone CBs in the later rounds

[Jizz Mop]

LT, NT/DT, C/G

First three picks

A draft not prioritizing the trenches next April should be considered a dereliction of duties

Need a CB1 just as badly as any of those picks. I'd rank C lower than LT, DL, and CB.

Prof

You’re forgetting our insane trade for Jackson III, sky is the limit

Spoon

And Company

[Jizz Mop]

LT, NT/DT, C/G

First three picks

A draft not prioritizing the trenches next April should be considered a dereliction of duties

Need a CB1 just as badly as any of those picks. I'd rank C lower than LT, DL, and CB.

Unless they change their defensive scheme, CB is not a high priority. They can get off man/zone CBs in the later rounds

I agree

Not saying we won’t draft a CB

But I’ll fucking throw my tv out the window if we pick JP JR

We don’t have the talent level in the trenches to make a luxury pick at any skill position

I’m gonna assume starting RBs are set for 2023

Najee and Warren

I’m gonna assume starting WRs are set for 2023

Pickens, DJ and perhaps Austin III if he isn’t Senquez 2.0

I’m gonna assume starting TEs are set for 2023

Fry and Gentry

What I won’t assume is that our Oline is set

I hate our Oline, we need upgrades for Dope #1 Dotson and “tries hard” Dan Moore

Bolster Oline with draft and perhaps a FA add and I think the offense arrow is pointing up

Kenny year 2 will be better

Happy New Year from The Jizz Mop

[Professor Half Wit]

LT, NT/DT, C/G

First three picks

A draft not prioritizing the trenches next April should be considered a dereliction of duties

Need a CB1 just as badly as any of those picks. I'd rank C lower than LT, DL, and CB.

Unless they change their defensive scheme, CB is not a high priority. They can get off man/zone CBs in the later rounds

Talent is talent and all we have are number twos. If pass rush has an off day we get murdered. If you can get CB1 talent for what we do in later rounds, great. Fine with FA, too.

However you dice it, CB needs upgraded.