Why does team continue to improve when Tomlin is submental?

[Gonzo]

Yep...our poor $100 M quarterback.

I feel for him so bad to be saddled with so many millstones hindering him.

Do you want him to just go all John Wayne and start throwing Todd the finger during games? I think his postseason words have really lit the fire about the gap between what he is tasked to do and what he thinks he should be doing. Dude gets less help from coaching and playcalling and gameplanning of any $100M QB in history.

chicken dinner for you

[Gonzo]

Could very well be-- harder for me to see things that Tomlin is doing wrong. The overall ship is in better position and trajectory than it has been in a while but the trust shown in bad coordination is disturbing, I'll give you that.

Then again, the top-level instructions don't necessarily have to be that far off from what we might like-- if the OC and playcaller says he's going to achieve that, and then trots out the worst possible array of plays and personnel to get that job done... it's only the HC's fault to the extent that he doesn't fire or replace the guy for failing to execute a better version of the plan-- and I'm sure Haley is telling MT that it's Ben this and young receivers that and if only they could run it a little more, the whole offense would work better.

I don't think anyone is going to be able to evaluate Todd Haley until he's incapacitated, fired, retired, or takes a HC job. He's that convoluted.

Tomlin has also shown a mindset B2B and we will eternally disagree that the "Plan" you mention above is not trickled down from above

[K_C_]

Yep...our poor $100 M quarterback.

I feel for him so bad to be saddled with so many millstones hindering him.

You can suck Tomlin's dick all you want.

The Ben-less years are coming.

We'll see how hard you're sucking Tomlin off then.

Then we can hopefully spend that $100 M in a way you support.

Your problem is you can't get out of your binary mode of thinking.

It's not either/or.

Well, Ben's obviously holding Tomlin back.

No sweetheart, you can't have it both ways.

If Ben isn't playing up to your standards, like I said you won't have to worry about him fucking things up a whole lot longer.

Then your boy will be free to fix all of Ben's fuck ups.

The bug-eyed fuckhead can find a real QB that will do things the way you and he would like.

It's coming.

Better start polishing up those Tomlin excuses. You're gonna fucking need 'em.

[bradshaw2ben]

Could very well be-- harder for me to see things that Tomlin is doing wrong. The overall ship is in better position and trajectory than it has been in a while but the trust shown in bad coordination is disturbing, I'll give you that.

Then again, the top-level instructions don't necessarily have to be that far off from what we might like-- if the OC and playcaller says he's going to achieve that, and then trots out the worst possible array of plays and personnel to get that job done... it's only the HC's fault to the extent that he doesn't fire or replace the guy for failing to execute a better version of the plan-- and I'm sure Haley is telling MT that it's Ben this and young receivers that and if only they could run it a little more, the whole offense would work better.

I don't think anyone is going to be able to evaluate Todd Haley until he's incapacitated, fired, retired, or takes a HC job. He's that convoluted.

Tomlin has also shown a mindset B2B and we will eternally disagree that the "Plan" you mention above is not trickled down from above

I understand that's your contention-- but there's still a gigantic gap between "I want to accomplish ball control while scoring points" and the shit Haley is drawing up and calling 90% of the time. You do understand the difference between what the Tomlins and the Belichicks of the world do in gameplanning and what their coordinators and assistants do, yes? We can argue that Tomlin's strategy is wrong at times but how the hell can we even evaluate its effectiveness with that simpletons version of offense and play calls?

[bradshaw2ben]

Could very well be-- harder for me to see things that Tomlin is doing wrong. The overall ship is in better position and trajectory than it has been in a while but the trust shown in bad coordination is disturbing, I'll give you that.

Then again, the top-level instructions don't necessarily have to be that far off from what we might like-- if the OC and playcaller says he's going to achieve that, and then trots out the worst possible array of plays and personnel to get that job done... it's only the HC's fault to the extent that he doesn't fire or replace the guy for failing to execute a better version of the plan-- and I'm sure Haley is telling MT that it's Ben this and young receivers that and if only they could run it a little more, the whole offense would work better.

I don't think anyone is going to be able to evaluate Todd Haley until he's incapacitated, fired, retired, or takes a HC job. He's that convoluted.

Tomlin has also shown a mindset B2B and we will eternally disagree that the "Plan" you mention above is not trickled down from above

That plan sure looked different under Arians, especially before the edict from EMR.

[Gonzo]

they all seem happy so far with the product -- except Ben that is

[jeemie]

Could very well be-- harder for me to see things that Tomlin is doing wrong. The overall ship is in better position and trajectory than it has been in a while but the trust shown in bad coordination is disturbing, I'll give you that.

Then again, the top-level instructions don't necessarily have to be that far off from what we might like-- if the OC and playcaller says he's going to achieve that, and then trots out the worst possible array of plays and personnel to get that job done... it's only the HC's fault to the extent that he doesn't fire or replace the guy for failing to execute a better version of the plan-- and I'm sure Haley is telling MT that it's Ben this and young receivers that and if only they could run it a little more, the whole offense would work better.

I don't think anyone is going to be able to evaluate Todd Haley until he's incapacitated, fired, retired, or takes a HC job. He's that convoluted.

Tomlin has also shown a mindset B2B and we will eternally disagree that the "Plan" you mention above is not trickled down from above

I understand that's your contention-- but there's still a gigantic gap between "I want to accomplish ball control while scoring points" and the shit Haley is drawing up and calling 90% of the time. You do understand the difference between what the Tomlins and the Belichicks of the world do in gameplanning and what their coordinators and assistants do, yes? We can argue that Tomlin's strategy is wrong at times but how the hell can we even evaluate its effectiveness with that simpletons version of offense and play calls?

Either Tomlin likes what Haley is doing or Tomlin is ineffectual at convincing Haley himself, or ownership as a last resort (assuming for argument's sake that Tomlin must get ownership to buy into firing a coordinator) that Haley's approach is detrimental to the team's overall success.

Neither outcome makes Mike Tomlin look good, B2B. He's either complicit or weak.

[Legacy User]

Yep...our poor $100 M quarterback.

I feel for him so bad to be saddled with so many millstones hindering him.

Do you want him to just go all John Wayne and start throwing Todd the finger during games? I think his postseason words have really lit the fire about the gap between what he is tasked to do and what he thinks he should be doing. Dude gets less help from coaching and playcalling and gameplanning of any $100M QB in history.

B2B you nailed it. Hailey is the problem with this offense. We should never be in formations that don't have LEDs than 2wr or more than 2Te's . IDC where we are on the field.