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Re: Why does this woman hate Ben so much?

Post by bradshaw2ben » Wed Feb 27, 2019 4:24 pm

Jeemie wrote:Yes I did listen to it.

I will agree he wasn’t overtly throwing Brown under the bus but nowhere was he taking any responsibility/accountability for having thrown that interception.


https://937thefan.radio.com/articles/news/ben-roethlisberger-explains-what-went-wrong-against-broncos

5:11 mark "Looking back, is it a case of 'I shouldn't have thrown it'?' "Well, YES."

He couldn't have been more detailed in explaining his thought process and what went wrong on the whole series. He didn't tell it in a way that made him look like the aggrieved party/hero while throwing others under the bus. He described what sounded like 'shit happens and in hindsight, should have done something different'

and that 2017 play vs NE was a TD-- perfect throw with a blatant, uncalled holding that turned it from TD to INT. I don't blame Ben for that, at all, and neither should you. Is he supposed to officiate, too?



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Post by Orangesteel » Wed Feb 27, 2019 4:43 pm

The 2017 INT against NE that lost the game...that was a coaching blunder more than anything. If you watch the replay on the snap everyone but Rodgers is practically standing at the line of scrimmage looking at Ben, waiting for him to throw the ball after Rodgers ran his route.

I still don’t know how that happened.
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Post by Havoc » Wed Feb 27, 2019 6:36 pm

Ray Fittipaldo: I think the comments on Ben are getting blown out of proportion. All Kevin was trying to say was Ben is the unquestioned leader of this team and should have a strong voice. The national media read way too much into his quotes.

SteelerPaul: Do you think high profile free agents will want to join the Steelers after Colbert's endorsement of Ben as the elder statesman that the other 52 "kids" should listen to?
Ray Fittipaldo: Probably not if they listen to the dopes in the national media. But if they want to get to know Kevin Colbert for who he really is then the answer is yes.

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Post by cop1211 » Wed Feb 27, 2019 6:41 pm

stillthere wrote:
cop1211 wrote:Bad case of hemorrhoids and herpes for both of these jag offs.


This would be opposed to the good cases of both?


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Post by bradshaw2ben » Wed Feb 27, 2019 7:02 pm

Orangesteel wrote:The 2017 INT against NE that lost the game...that was a coaching blunder more than anything. If you watch the replay on the snap everyone but Rodgers is practically standing at the line of scrimmage looking at Ben, waiting for him to throw the ball after Rodgers ran his route.

I still don’t know how that happened.

Rogers ran a great route, he was open, Ben threw it on target... should have been a TD.

https://steelersdepot.com/2017/12/eli-rogers-bhttps://steelersdepot.com/2017/12/eli-rogers-believes-held-final-fake-spike-play/elieves-held-final-fake-spike-play/

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Post by Orangesteel » Wed Feb 27, 2019 8:25 pm

Sure, but it is easy to defend when the rest of the team is almost standing still after snap.
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Post by Jobu » Wed Feb 27, 2019 8:34 pm

Orangesteel wrote:Sure, but it is easy to defend when the rest of the team is almost standing still after snap.

I think that’s the idea of selling the fake spike.
Not to say that it’s a good idea...
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Post by Minkah'n History » Wed Feb 27, 2019 10:35 pm

Jobus Rum wrote:
Orangesteel wrote:Sure, but it is easy to defend when the rest of the team is almost standing still after snap.

I think that’s the idea of selling the fake spike.
Not to say that it’s a good idea...


OR he could have set up the fake spike ala Dan Marino and targeted a WR outside the hashes and not directly in the middle of the field where clusterfucks are more likely to occur. Yes, it's a huge 2nd guess on my part and Ben is my favorite player on the team.

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Post by Jobu » Thu Feb 28, 2019 4:10 am

Hinestuff wrote:
Jobus Rum wrote:
Orangesteel wrote:Sure, but it is easy to defend when the rest of the team is almost standing still after snap.

I think that’s the idea of selling the fake spike.
Not to say that it’s a good idea...


OR he could have set up the fake spike ala Dan Marino and targeted a WR outside the hashes and not directly in the middle of the field where clusterfucks are more likely to occur. Yes, it's a huge 2nd guess on my part and Ben is my favorite player on the team.


You mean like he did against Dallas?

Maybe they, Ben and Rogers, saw something that told them the slant was better the option...not counting defensive holding/PI.
Just saying...
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Post by stillthere » Thu Feb 28, 2019 2:58 pm

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001019240/article/antonio-brown-on-steelers-things-arent-getting-better

Antonio Brown not 'angry' with Steelers situation

By Kevin Patra
Around the NFL Writer
Published: Feb. 28, 2019 at 09:03 a.m.
Updated: Feb. 28, 2019 at 09:08 a.m.

Pittsburgh Steelers general manager Kevin Colbert spent the past week doing a media blitz in the face of Antonio Browns' trade request. Now it's the receiver's turn at the mic.

Brown told ESPN's Jeff Darlington this week that he's not "angry" with the situation but maintained his desire to move on.
While Colbert defended the Steelers locker room perception on Wednesday, Brown reiterated that part of his desire to be traded stems from the differential treatment quarterback Ben Roethlisberger receives.

Colbert walked back comments that Big Ben had "52 kids under him" last week on NFL Network. The initial quote in Browns eyes, however, spoke to the dynamic within the Steelers organization.

"Of course he tried to clarify because, you know, he stated the truth and he's going to backpedal on his words," Brown told Darlington. "But what grown man is calling another grown man a kid? Fifty-two kids. Like, you don't have no respect for these guys? Like, these are the guys that go to work for you. And that's what I'm telling you guys... that's my issue. You know what I'm saying? It's all about respect.

"... Things (are) not getting better. They're not changing. You know what I mean? He just stated it. There's 52 kids and it's this guy [Roethlisberger]. Bro, it's one team. ... So that's what it is, man. Just understanding truths."

With the Steelers attempting to trade Brown, this isn't the last we've heard from both sides in the coming weeks. Colbert noted Wednesday there is no deadline for a trade to occur, despite a $2.5 million roster bonus due on March 17. Hold on tight for the back-and-forth to ramp up as each side attempts to grapple for the higher ground.



http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/26093788/steelers-gm-more-teams-inquiring-brown

Steelers GM: More teams inquiring about Brown

INDIANAPOLIS -- The trade market for Pittsburgh Steelers receiver Antonio Brown has grown, general manager Kevin Colbert said Wednesday, as the team continued to publicly shop its star playmaker at the NFL scouting combine.

The Steelers haven't ruled out any teams, Colbert said, including their three AFC North rivals.

"Ideally you want to trade him to somebody that you'll never play," Colbert said. "But you can't do that. If you're good enough to get to the Super Bowl, you have to play him anyway.

"The less you would play him, the better. But if an [AFC North] team comes through with the best compensation, you have to balance that out. We're going to play him twice a year, but we're going to get the best compensation. ... You have to weigh that into the discussions. We haven't eliminated anybody."

Colbert wouldn't detail any discussions the team has had for Brown, but the GM said "interest has grown" since last week, when he said three teams were interested. Tampa Bay Buccaneers general manager Jason Licht and San Francisco 49ers coach Kyle Shanahan on Tuesday their teams have not been among those that expressed interest.

Colbert also insisted that the Steelers aren't locked into trading Brown, despite Brown's clear interest in moving on.

"We will only make a trade if it benefits the Pittsburgh Steelers," Colbert said. "He knows that. His representation knows that. That's been clearly explained, and we're willing to take a look. If there's something that can be done to benefit both sides, great. If not, then we'll deal with that when we get to it.

"Anything we do has to benefit us. If it doesn't, then it won't."


In this article when he states we won't rule anyone out. How funny would it be to trade him to Baltimore and watch as Brown destroys Lamar Jackson's development.


http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/26101881/brown-not-angry-steelers-wants-trade
Brown not 'angry' with Steelers, still wants trade

Pittsburgh Steelers wide receiver Antonio Brown told ESPN on Tuesday that he is not "angry" with the team, but he maintained his desire to be traded.

Brown, who discussed his past, present and future with ESPN following a tour of his childhood neighborhood of Liberty City in Miami for an interview that will air this weekend, pointed toward general manager Kevin Colbert's recent comments about Ben Roethlisberger as confirmation of his own sentiments.

Colbert told reporters last week that Roethlisberger "has 52 kids under him, quite honestly," while explaining his desire for players to look toward Roethlisberger for advice and wisdom.

"He pretty much just explained what I already had told everyone [on social media]," Brown said. "He just confirmed it. He confirmed everything I said."

Colbert later tried to clarify his comments, telling NFL Network that the Steelers don't have a "bunch of juveniles" and that Roethlisberger remains "the unquestioned leader" of the team.

"Of course he tried to clarify because, you know, he stated the truth and he's going to backpedal on his words," Brown told ESPN. "But what grown man is calling another grown man a kid? 'Fifty-two kids.' Like, you don't have no respect for these guys? Like, these are the guys that go to work for you. And that's what I'm telling you guys ... that's my issue. You know what I'm saying? It's all about respect.

"... Things [are] not getting better. They're not changing. You know what I mean? He just stated it. There's 52 kids and it's this guy [Roethlisberger]. Bro, it's one team. ... So that's what it is, man. Just understanding truths."

Brown is officially on the trading block after meeting with Steelers brass earlier this month in South Florida. Both parties agreed that it's best to work out a trade, though Colbert made it clear that the team wants "significant compensation."

Brown owns an NFL-record six consecutive 100-catch seasons, but he frustrated the organization when he failed to show up for a workday in Week 17 and was benched for the season finale.


This last line in this article should read he frustrated the organization when he quit week 17 in a must win game. They try to spin it that he missed a Monday film session he left practice and didn't return nor would he contact the organization or coach when reached out to.

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Post by Lynch » Thu Feb 28, 2019 3:10 pm

LMMFAO cor-ten!

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Post by stillthere » Thu Feb 28, 2019 3:22 pm

Interesting exercise in hypothetical land.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/antonio-brown-trade-rumors-ranking-possible-trade-offers-for-star-wr-from-every-single-nfl-team/




Antonio Brown trade rumors: Ranking possible trade offers for star WR from every single NFL team

Looking at 31 possible offers for Antonio Brown and narrowing down some contenders



Antonio Brown is going to get traded and it might actually end up happening this week, as the Steelers meet with various teams in and around the city of Indianapolis to talk trade. GM Kevin Colbert intimated during his public discussion on Brown there are teams the Steelers won't deal with, and I get why -- trading him in the division or handing Brown to the Patriots doesn't make much sense. But the Steelers should absolutely try and get the best deal possible for Brown.

So let's try and get it for them. With every single team in Indy, there's a chance for the Steelers to get 31 offers for Brown over the next few days. I don't think that will actually happen, but I bet they get something in the range of 15-20 calls about the wide receiver and some preliminary discussions with plenty of teams about the asking price for the future Hall of Fame wide receiver.

In this exercise, I'm going to try and determine what the best offer the Steelers could get from every single other team in the NFL and rank those offers.

This is not as simple as the Cardinals offering the first pick, of course. They wouldn't do that. I don't think they would offer the first pick of the second round, either. These negotiations are tricky because different teams have different scenarios. A team like the Bills or Dolphins, for example, isn't going to just give up a first- or second-round pick for Brown because he's a good player. Getting a 30-year-old wideout with a hefty contract and a diva attitude on a rebuilding roster is not sensible. The Giants have a stud wideout in Odell Beckham who they may or may not be trying to trade themselves. It's pretty unlikely they would deal for Brown.

So when creating these offers and ranking them, the situation matters.

1 Seahawks
The Deal: Seahawks send first-round pick (No. 21) and a fourth (124) for Antonio Brown and a third-round pick (83)

I think Seattle makes a world of sense as a landing spot for Brown, primarily because of the Seahawks' willingness to take on star players in aggressive fashion, a la Jimmy Graham and Percy Harvin. Brown might not meld perfectly with Russell Wilson off the field but my goodness he would click on the field. If the Seahawks are sticking with their 2018 offensive game plan of not letting Russell crank things up, this might be a waste. But giving up a first- and a fourth-round pick (they don't have a second-round selection) and getting Brown and a third-round pick feels like a spicy type of move John Schneider and Pete Carroll might like to pull off. The Steelers want a first-round pick in exchange and Seattle's never shy about trading their top selections.
2 Eagles
The Deal: Eagles trade 2019 second-round pick (53) and 2020 second-round pick (TBD) for Antonio Brown

The Eagles want to compete next year and the Steelers want to get fair compensation for Brown while shipping him to the NFC. This deal takes care of both items and the Eagles don't actually have to sacrifice players in this draft thanks to having two second-round picks (via the Lamar Jackson deal from last year). I also think Howie Roseman sees this deal and believes he can generate a new second-round pick for next year by trading down from No. 25 overall this year, meaning he can basically pick up Antonio Brown for the cost of dealing down and really giving the Eagles some juice. Two seconds in this range are roughly worth a first-round pick.
3 Raiders
The Deal: Raiders send first-round pick (27) for Antonio Brown

This sure seems like a likely landing spot, even if the Raiders don't meet the "not in the AFC" qualifications we've heard about. The Raiders have three first-round picks, they need to get some help for Derek Carr, they don't have any wideouts on the depth chart right now and Brown would still be on the roster when they get to Las Vegas. This feels like a Jon Gruden move, even if those draft picks might be well used by Mike Mayock.
4 49ers
The Deal: 49ers send second-round pick (36) and a fourth (104) for Antonio Brown

Logical landing spot for Brown but somewhat problematic because of the situation with the draft spot. The 49ers aren't giving away the No. 2 pick for Brown. They can't even swap first-round picks and get Brown, because it's basically like giving up the fifth-round pick on the trade chart. That second-round pick of the 49ers is pretty darn valuable though, as it's basically a first-round pick. These two picks are the equivalent of a late first-round pick though, so this would work in terms of the Steelers demands.
5 Packers
The Deal: Packers send second-round pick (44) for Antonio Brown

In my most recent mock draft I had the Packers sending a first-round pick (their second one, from New Orleans, No. 30 overall) to the Steelers for Brown. I could see that happening. But I think wide receiver might not be the biggest need of this team and there's so much value at No. 30 with this draft class that I think it's more likely Green Bay dangles a nice second-round pick, knowing it comes out of the second round with a minimum of two picks and Antonio Brown. That's a nice haul.
6 Jets
The Deal: Jets send 2020 second-round pick (TBD) + Robby Anderson to Steelers for Antonio Brown

Originally I had the Jets sending a third-round pick this year but I'm not sure that's enough to get this deal done. New York can't gamble on sending a first-round pick, but a 2020 second-round selection is a tasty little carrot for the Steelers (it could be top five and probably won't be bottom 10) to bite on. Anderson had a good rapport with Sam Darnold, but Brown is an obvious upgrade. This lets the Steelers recoup value for losing a star and it helps the Jets win now.
7 Titans
The Deal: Rashaan Evans for Antonio Brown

The Titans' first-round pick last year, Evans had a nice rookie season but nothing insanely productive, although he certainly improved late. The Steelers were seriously rumored to be interested in landing the linebacker in the draft and perhaps they'd be willing to take a second bite at the apple here? This isn't suggesting Evans isn't good by any means, but I do think wide receiver should be a bigger concern for the Titans, while the Steelers should be thrilled to add a defensive playmaker.
8 Buccaneers
The Deal: Buccaneers send first-round pick (5) for Antonio Brown, first-round pick (20) and third-round pick (83)

This would be SPICY because it involves a top-five pick and people will clamor about the Bucs trading a pick that high and saying it's unfair. But this is the equivalent on the trade-value chart of giving up the 27th pick for Brown. And when you look at this draft class, I don't think there's anything bad about ditching a top-five slot to slide down and get the No. 20 pick, scoop up a third-round pick AND get Antonio Brown. I think the Steelers might flinch at sacrificing multiple picks in this scenario but they could potentially get a game-changing defensive player at the top of this draft. It would also be Pittsburgh's first top-10 pick since taking Plaxico Burress in 2000. What a run that is.
9 Cardinals
The Deal: Cardinals send second-round pick (33) and Larry Fitzgerald for Antonio Brown

BLOCKBUSTER. I don't think the Cardinals would actually trade Larry Fitz, but I do think it would be cool to see the former Pitt Panthers star wearing the Steelers colors and making one more run at a Super Bowl (with the team that beat him for his best shot at one before). Fitz would help the Steelers take pressure off JuJu Smith-Schuster and Brown would help Josh Rosen develop. The Cardinals definitely have a need for a stud wideout to replace Fitz, but I'm not sure they have the proper capital to pull this off.
10 Patriots
The Deal: Patriots send 2019 first-round pick (32) for Antonio Brown

The ultimate temptation for the Steelers, since sending Brown to their AFC rival will complicate any playoff run. Not only do the Steelers likely have to see the Pats in the playoffs if they want to win the Super Bowl, but they face New England in the regular season. Can't you imagine Bill Belichick sauntering up to Kevin Colbert, saying he doesn't want to insult him but noting he would be willing to give up a first-round pick? The Steelers can't give Brown to the Patriots.
11 Redskins
The Deal: Redskins send second-round pick (No. 46) for Antonio Brown

The Redskins make ZERO sense in terms of a team that needs to be getting involved in an Antonio Brown trade. Imagine being in QB purgatory they way they are and thinking Brown will save it. But there are jobs on the line and Washington could potentially believe drafting a QB with their first-round pick (or signing Nick Foles or Teddy Bridgewater) and adding Brown with a second-rounder makes them competitive. The Steelers would be interested in a top-50 pick. It wouldn't be stunning if Washington's front office was willing to offer a future first-round pick either but that would be a massive mistake; if that's on the table you take it and run if you're Pittsburgh.
12 Saints
The Deal: Saints send second-round pick (62) and Eli Apple to Steelers

How desperate are the Saints? And how willing to gamble on the Saints being good next year would the Steelers be in this spot? The Saints are a very good landing spot, but they don't have a current first-round pick thanks to the Marcus Davenport trade. Is Apple and a second-round pick enough? I could see the Saints being willing to give up their 2020 first-round pick as they continue to chase one last championship during the Drew Brees era.
13 Browns
The Deal: Browns send 2019 second-round pick (49) for Antonio Brown

I think this is actually a good match in terms of teams, except for the whole AFC North division rival thing. The Browns could throw AB in their offense and it would be delightful to watch. Brown is better than anyone Cleveland would get in the second round and he fits their window with Baker Mayfield's rookie contract. Pittsburgh won't hurt its chances to win the division though, and I don't think Cleveland would sacrifice a first-round pick.
14 Panthers
The Deal: Panthers send second-round pick (47) for Antonio Brown

Carolina is a wild-card team to watch, as Peter King of NBC Sports recently wrote in his FMIA column. We don't know exactly what new owner David Tepper is willing to do -- he's signed Eric Reid and just announced a beer festival would take place in Bank of America Stadium. (In other words, this is NOT Jerry Richardson, who wouldn't have traded for Brown.) Tepper was previously a minority owner with the Steelers so there's some wheel-greasing there as well as knowledge of Brown. I don't think Carolina can sacrifice its first-round pick, however, and a swap wouldn't be enough unless they threw in another pick. There's also a substantial number of other issues to handle this offseason for the Panthers.
15 Broncos
The Deal: Broncos send second-round pick (41) for Antonio Brown

Feels like another potential sleeper team here for Brown, with John Elway clearly getting desperate to try and win now. I'm not sure Joe Flacco and AB are the magic combo you're looking for, but it would at least give the Broncos some offseason hope and hype. They've already got Courtland Sutton and Daesean Hamilton (Emmanuel Sanders is likely getting cut) so maybe they're confident, but I could see them being a little desperate. They can't move their first-round pick though.
16 Lions
The Deal: Lions send second-round pick (43) for Antonio Brown

Are the Lions a sleeper here? They have Marvin Jones and Kenny Golladay so there's no huge need and they shifted to a run-heavy approach late last year (Matthew Stafford's stats to close out the season should be a bigger deal than it has been) but I could see the Patriots combo of Bob Quinn and Matt Patricia loving the idea of landing Brown. (Could they then turn around and trade Brown to the Patriots??? That would be something.) I just can't see them giving up a first-round pick in a defensive heavy draft.
17 Colts
The Deal: Colts offer second-round pick (59) for Antonio Brown

The Colts have multiple second-round picks via the Sam Darnold trade with the Jets last year and while they could potentially pull off this deal by offering that earlier pick, I'm not sure that Brown necessarily fits what Chris Ballard is looking for. I also question whether he'd be willing to make this move when he sees the 34th pick as a major chip in a deep defensive draft. T.Y. Hilton and Antonio Brown is fun to imagine but the Colts resources are better used on defense.
18 Chargers
The Deal: Chargers send second-round pick (60) for Antonio Brown

Another team in the AFC that's unlikely to strike a deal because of the playoff problems they present (based on what the Steelers have said) and a team that has lots of weapons at wide receiver right now. Antonio Brown feels like a luxury for a team with other needs (ahem, linebacker).
19 Chiefs
The Deal: Chiefs send second-round pick (61) for Antonio Brown

K.C. has a pair of second-round picks and as Kevin Clark of The Ringer has noted, Brett Veach is out there looking for Antonio Brown-type wideouts. I just don't know if the Steelers would be willing to deal to the Chiefs, as Brown would represent a problem for them at some point in the postseason, more than likely. K.C. fits with the Patriots in terms of that profile. The Chiefs also need to focus on defense in the draft.
20 Jaguars
The Deal: Jaguars send third-round pick (69) for Antonio Brown

I want the Jags to call and offer Leonard Fournette for Brown just to hear the laughter on the other end of the line. Jacksonville can't possibly offer their first-round pick for Brown, but their second-round pick might be a worthwhile offer, although it all depends on what they do with Nick Foles before we can really expect them to make a move. In other words, the Jags feel unlikely here because they have a lot of other issues, including the quarterback, to sort out.
21 Dolphins
The Deal: Dolphins send 2019 third-round pick (78) to Steelers for Antonio Brown

Same situation as Buffalo. It's just hard to imagine the Dolphins thinking they're one Mr. Big Chest away from being a contender, especially after rebooting the front office and the coaching staff once again. They don't even know who their quarterback is -- hard to see them shipping anything more than a third-round pick and that won't get it done with Pittsburgh.
22 Bears
The Deal: Bears send third-round pick (87) for Antonio Brown

I can't imagine the Bears trading another future first-round pick (and it wouldn't be a top offer anyway, with Chicago expected to be good) and they don't have a first-round pick or a second-round pick this year because of earlier trades, which means this is the best they can offer. Again, Chicago could get crazy aggressive and try to send 2020 picks, but that doesn't feel like the move here with the way they've built their roster.
23 Rams
The Deal: Rams send third-round pick (94) for Antonio Brown

I wouldn't put anything past the Rams in terms of Les Snead's willingness to trade, but adding Antonio Brown to a group that already features Brandin Cooks, Robert Woods and Cooper Kupp seems excessive. The Rams don't have a second-round pick and do need to replenish the defense, so it doesn't make a ton of sense to lob out a first-round pick for Brown here.
24 Vikings
The Deal: Vikings send fourth-round pick (120) for Antonio Brown

Uhhhh why would the Steelers take this? They wouldn't! But the Vikings wouldn't offer anything really worth much, not with Stefon Diggs and Adam Thielen on the roster right now. They have bigger concerns.
25 Falcons
The Deal: Falcons send fourth-round pick (137) for Antonio Brown

Another throwaway offer from a team loaded with wide receivers. When you have Julio Jones and Calvin Ridley, you're not throwing picks at Antonio Brown.
26 Bills
The Deal: Bills send 2019 third-round pick (74) to Steelers for Antonio Brown

This is not a great deal, because I don't think Buffalo is going to make a trade that involves giving up a top 50 pick and both of their first two picks are in the top 50. Buffalo just doesn't profile as a good team to land Brown -- they're building up a base of young talent and while Josh Allen might be good, I'm not sure Brown is the guy you want to pair him with, given his accuracy issues.
27 Bengals
The Deal: Bengals send third-round pick (72) for Antonio Brown

Not only do the Bengals not work from the perspective of a division rival, they also don't work from the perspective of a team that needs Antonio Brown. They have A.J. Green, we saw Tyler Boyd develop last year into a legit WR2 and they have other issues. The Bengals might be the last team that would deal for Brown.
28 Cowboys
The Deal: Cowboys trade 2019 third-round pick (90) for Antonio Brown

Dallas would love to have Brown on the roster -- think of the combo of him and Amari Cooper lighting up secondaries -- but after spending a first-round pick on Cooper they can't really afford to make any kind of move. Additionally, the Dallas is about to tie up a LOT of money in DeMarcus Lawrence and Dak Prescott and Ezekiel Elliott. There's too much on the plate for them to even make an offer at this point.
29 Texans
The Deal: Texans send third-round pick (86) for Antonio Brown

With two second-round picks it's possible the Texans could be a bidder here to try and create the most disgusting WR combo in the NFL by adding Antonio Brown to DeAndre Hopkins (never mind Will Fuller). I just don't think Houston will look at its roster and think giving up a second-round pick is a smart move given their needs on the offensive line as well as the forthcoming need in terms of defense. Also they qualify as an AFC contender so it might require an overpay.
30 Giants
The Deal: Giants offer fourth-round pick (108) for Antonio Brown

As fun as it would be to see Odell Beckham and Antonio Brown, the Giants have their own set of WR issues to deal with. Additionally, they can't trade a top-10 pick for Brown, I think their second-round pick is too high to send for a second elite wideout and their third-round pick was forfeited.
31 Ravens
The Deal: Ravens third-round pick (85th overall) for Antonio Brown

I'm tempted to have Eric DeCosta call Kevin Colbert from a burner phone and offer the Ravens' first-round pick just to put the Steelers in a weird spot of maybe not knowing what to do. But without a second-round pick I'm not sure the Ravens can afford that, although Brown with Lamar Jackson would be fun. The Steelers aren't trading him to Baltimore.


Any on here that stand out?

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Post by alancac98 » Thu Feb 28, 2019 4:04 pm

stillthere wrote:Interesting exercise in hypothetical land.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/antonio-brown-trade-rumors-ranking-possible-trade-offers-for-star-wr-from-every-single-nfl-team/




Antonio Brown trade rumors: Ranking possible trade offers for star WR from every single NFL team

Looking at 31 possible offers for Antonio Brown and narrowing down some contenders



Antonio Brown is going to get traded and it might actually end up happening this week, as the Steelers meet with various teams in and around the city of Indianapolis to talk trade. GM Kevin Colbert intimated during his public discussion on Brown there are teams the Steelers won't deal with, and I get why -- trading him in the division or handing Brown to the Patriots doesn't make much sense. But the Steelers should absolutely try and get the best deal possible for Brown.

So let's try and get it for them. With every single team in Indy, there's a chance for the Steelers to get 31 offers for Brown over the next few days. I don't think that will actually happen, but I bet they get something in the range of 15-20 calls about the wide receiver and some preliminary discussions with plenty of teams about the asking price for the future Hall of Fame wide receiver.

In this exercise, I'm going to try and determine what the best offer the Steelers could get from every single other team in the NFL and rank those offers.

This is not as simple as the Cardinals offering the first pick, of course. They wouldn't do that. I don't think they would offer the first pick of the second round, either. These negotiations are tricky because different teams have different scenarios. A team like the Bills or Dolphins, for example, isn't going to just give up a first- or second-round pick for Brown because he's a good player. Getting a 30-year-old wideout with a hefty contract and a diva attitude on a rebuilding roster is not sensible. The Giants have a stud wideout in Odell Beckham who they may or may not be trying to trade themselves. It's pretty unlikely they would deal for Brown.

So when creating these offers and ranking them, the situation matters.

1 Seahawks
The Deal: Seahawks send first-round pick (No. 21) and a fourth (124) for Antonio Brown and a third-round pick (83)

I think Seattle makes a world of sense as a landing spot for Brown, primarily because of the Seahawks' willingness to take on star players in aggressive fashion, a la Jimmy Graham and Percy Harvin. Brown might not meld perfectly with Russell Wilson off the field but my goodness he would click on the field. If the Seahawks are sticking with their 2018 offensive game plan of not letting Russell crank things up, this might be a waste. But giving up a first- and a fourth-round pick (they don't have a second-round selection) and getting Brown and a third-round pick feels like a spicy type of move John Schneider and Pete Carroll might like to pull off. The Steelers want a first-round pick in exchange and Seattle's never shy about trading their top selections.
2 Eagles
The Deal: Eagles trade 2019 second-round pick (53) and 2020 second-round pick (TBD) for Antonio Brown

The Eagles want to compete next year and the Steelers want to get fair compensation for Brown while shipping him to the NFC. This deal takes care of both items and the Eagles don't actually have to sacrifice players in this draft thanks to having two second-round picks (via the Lamar Jackson deal from last year). I also think Howie Roseman sees this deal and believes he can generate a new second-round pick for next year by trading down from No. 25 overall this year, meaning he can basically pick up Antonio Brown for the cost of dealing down and really giving the Eagles some juice. Two seconds in this range are roughly worth a first-round pick.
3 Raiders
The Deal: Raiders send first-round pick (27) for Antonio Brown

This sure seems like a likely landing spot, even if the Raiders don't meet the "not in the AFC" qualifications we've heard about. The Raiders have three first-round picks, they need to get some help for Derek Carr, they don't have any wideouts on the depth chart right now and Brown would still be on the roster when they get to Las Vegas. This feels like a Jon Gruden move, even if those draft picks might be well used by Mike Mayock.
4 49ers
The Deal: 49ers send second-round pick (36) and a fourth (104) for Antonio Brown

Logical landing spot for Brown but somewhat problematic because of the situation with the draft spot. The 49ers aren't giving away the No. 2 pick for Brown. They can't even swap first-round picks and get Brown, because it's basically like giving up the fifth-round pick on the trade chart. That second-round pick of the 49ers is pretty darn valuable though, as it's basically a first-round pick. These two picks are the equivalent of a late first-round pick though, so this would work in terms of the Steelers demands.
5 Packers
The Deal: Packers send second-round pick (44) for Antonio Brown

In my most recent mock draft I had the Packers sending a first-round pick (their second one, from New Orleans, No. 30 overall) to the Steelers for Brown. I could see that happening. But I think wide receiver might not be the biggest need of this team and there's so much value at No. 30 with this draft class that I think it's more likely Green Bay dangles a nice second-round pick, knowing it comes out of the second round with a minimum of two picks and Antonio Brown. That's a nice haul.
6 Jets
The Deal: Jets send 2020 second-round pick (TBD) + Robby Anderson to Steelers for Antonio Brown

Originally I had the Jets sending a third-round pick this year but I'm not sure that's enough to get this deal done. New York can't gamble on sending a first-round pick, but a 2020 second-round selection is a tasty little carrot for the Steelers (it could be top five and probably won't be bottom 10) to bite on. Anderson had a good rapport with Sam Darnold, but Brown is an obvious upgrade. This lets the Steelers recoup value for losing a star and it helps the Jets win now.
7 Titans
The Deal: Rashaan Evans for Antonio Brown

The Titans' first-round pick last year, Evans had a nice rookie season but nothing insanely productive, although he certainly improved late. The Steelers were seriously rumored to be interested in landing the linebacker in the draft and perhaps they'd be willing to take a second bite at the apple here? This isn't suggesting Evans isn't good by any means, but I do think wide receiver should be a bigger concern for the Titans, while the Steelers should be thrilled to add a defensive playmaker.
8 Buccaneers
The Deal: Buccaneers send first-round pick (5) for Antonio Brown, first-round pick (20) and third-round pick (83)

This would be SPICY because it involves a top-five pick and people will clamor about the Bucs trading a pick that high and saying it's unfair. But this is the equivalent on the trade-value chart of giving up the 27th pick for Brown. And when you look at this draft class, I don't think there's anything bad about ditching a top-five slot to slide down and get the No. 20 pick, scoop up a third-round pick AND get Antonio Brown. I think the Steelers might flinch at sacrificing multiple picks in this scenario but they could potentially get a game-changing defensive player at the top of this draft. It would also be Pittsburgh's first top-10 pick since taking Plaxico Burress in 2000. What a run that is.
9 Cardinals
The Deal: Cardinals send second-round pick (33) and Larry Fitzgerald for Antonio Brown

BLOCKBUSTER. I don't think the Cardinals would actually trade Larry Fitz, but I do think it would be cool to see the former Pitt Panthers star wearing the Steelers colors and making one more run at a Super Bowl (with the team that beat him for his best shot at one before). Fitz would help the Steelers take pressure off JuJu Smith-Schuster and Brown would help Josh Rosen develop. The Cardinals definitely have a need for a stud wideout to replace Fitz, but I'm not sure they have the proper capital to pull this off.
10 Patriots
The Deal: Patriots send 2019 first-round pick (32) for Antonio Brown

The ultimate temptation for the Steelers, since sending Brown to their AFC rival will complicate any playoff run. Not only do the Steelers likely have to see the Pats in the playoffs if they want to win the Super Bowl, but they face New England in the regular season. Can't you imagine Bill Belichick sauntering up to Kevin Colbert, saying he doesn't want to insult him but noting he would be willing to give up a first-round pick? The Steelers can't give Brown to the Patriots.
11 Redskins
The Deal: Redskins send second-round pick (No. 46) for Antonio Brown

The Redskins make ZERO sense in terms of a team that needs to be getting involved in an Antonio Brown trade. Imagine being in QB purgatory they way they are and thinking Brown will save it. But there are jobs on the line and Washington could potentially believe drafting a QB with their first-round pick (or signing Nick Foles or Teddy Bridgewater) and adding Brown with a second-rounder makes them competitive. The Steelers would be interested in a top-50 pick. It wouldn't be stunning if Washington's front office was willing to offer a future first-round pick either but that would be a massive mistake; if that's on the table you take it and run if you're Pittsburgh.
12 Saints
The Deal: Saints send second-round pick (62) and Eli Apple to Steelers

How desperate are the Saints? And how willing to gamble on the Saints being good next year would the Steelers be in this spot? The Saints are a very good landing spot, but they don't have a current first-round pick thanks to the Marcus Davenport trade. Is Apple and a second-round pick enough? I could see the Saints being willing to give up their 2020 first-round pick as they continue to chase one last championship during the Drew Brees era.
13 Browns
The Deal: Browns send 2019 second-round pick (49) for Antonio Brown

I think this is actually a good match in terms of teams, except for the whole AFC North division rival thing. The Browns could throw AB in their offense and it would be delightful to watch. Brown is better than anyone Cleveland would get in the second round and he fits their window with Baker Mayfield's rookie contract. Pittsburgh won't hurt its chances to win the division though, and I don't think Cleveland would sacrifice a first-round pick.
14 Panthers
The Deal: Panthers send second-round pick (47) for Antonio Brown

Carolina is a wild-card team to watch, as Peter King of NBC Sports recently wrote in his FMIA column. We don't know exactly what new owner David Tepper is willing to do -- he's signed Eric Reid and just announced a beer festival would take place in Bank of America Stadium. (In other words, this is NOT Jerry Richardson, who wouldn't have traded for Brown.) Tepper was previously a minority owner with the Steelers so there's some wheel-greasing there as well as knowledge of Brown. I don't think Carolina can sacrifice its first-round pick, however, and a swap wouldn't be enough unless they threw in another pick. There's also a substantial number of other issues to handle this offseason for the Panthers.
15 Broncos
The Deal: Broncos send second-round pick (41) for Antonio Brown

Feels like another potential sleeper team here for Brown, with John Elway clearly getting desperate to try and win now. I'm not sure Joe Flacco and AB are the magic combo you're looking for, but it would at least give the Broncos some offseason hope and hype. They've already got Courtland Sutton and Daesean Hamilton (Emmanuel Sanders is likely getting cut) so maybe they're confident, but I could see them being a little desperate. They can't move their first-round pick though.
16 Lions
The Deal: Lions send second-round pick (43) for Antonio Brown

Are the Lions a sleeper here? They have Marvin Jones and Kenny Golladay so there's no huge need and they shifted to a run-heavy approach late last year (Matthew Stafford's stats to close out the season should be a bigger deal than it has been) but I could see the Patriots combo of Bob Quinn and Matt Patricia loving the idea of landing Brown. (Could they then turn around and trade Brown to the Patriots??? That would be something.) I just can't see them giving up a first-round pick in a defensive heavy draft.
17 Colts
The Deal: Colts offer second-round pick (59) for Antonio Brown

The Colts have multiple second-round picks via the Sam Darnold trade with the Jets last year and while they could potentially pull off this deal by offering that earlier pick, I'm not sure that Brown necessarily fits what Chris Ballard is looking for. I also question whether he'd be willing to make this move when he sees the 34th pick as a major chip in a deep defensive draft. T.Y. Hilton and Antonio Brown is fun to imagine but the Colts resources are better used on defense.
18 Chargers
The Deal: Chargers send second-round pick (60) for Antonio Brown

Another team in the AFC that's unlikely to strike a deal because of the playoff problems they present (based on what the Steelers have said) and a team that has lots of weapons at wide receiver right now. Antonio Brown feels like a luxury for a team with other needs (ahem, linebacker).
19 Chiefs
The Deal: Chiefs send second-round pick (61) for Antonio Brown

K.C. has a pair of second-round picks and as Kevin Clark of The Ringer has noted, Brett Veach is out there looking for Antonio Brown-type wideouts. I just don't know if the Steelers would be willing to deal to the Chiefs, as Brown would represent a problem for them at some point in the postseason, more than likely. K.C. fits with the Patriots in terms of that profile. The Chiefs also need to focus on defense in the draft.
20 Jaguars
The Deal: Jaguars send third-round pick (69) for Antonio Brown

I want the Jags to call and offer Leonard Fournette for Brown just to hear the laughter on the other end of the line. Jacksonville can't possibly offer their first-round pick for Brown, but their second-round pick might be a worthwhile offer, although it all depends on what they do with Nick Foles before we can really expect them to make a move. In other words, the Jags feel unlikely here because they have a lot of other issues, including the quarterback, to sort out.
21 Dolphins
The Deal: Dolphins send 2019 third-round pick (78) to Steelers for Antonio Brown

Same situation as Buffalo. It's just hard to imagine the Dolphins thinking they're one Mr. Big Chest away from being a contender, especially after rebooting the front office and the coaching staff once again. They don't even know who their quarterback is -- hard to see them shipping anything more than a third-round pick and that won't get it done with Pittsburgh.
22 Bears
The Deal: Bears send third-round pick (87) for Antonio Brown

I can't imagine the Bears trading another future first-round pick (and it wouldn't be a top offer anyway, with Chicago expected to be good) and they don't have a first-round pick or a second-round pick this year because of earlier trades, which means this is the best they can offer. Again, Chicago could get crazy aggressive and try to send 2020 picks, but that doesn't feel like the move here with the way they've built their roster.
23 Rams
The Deal: Rams send third-round pick (94) for Antonio Brown

I wouldn't put anything past the Rams in terms of Les Snead's willingness to trade, but adding Antonio Brown to a group that already features Brandin Cooks, Robert Woods and Cooper Kupp seems excessive. The Rams don't have a second-round pick and do need to replenish the defense, so it doesn't make a ton of sense to lob out a first-round pick for Brown here.
24 Vikings
The Deal: Vikings send fourth-round pick (120) for Antonio Brown

Uhhhh why would the Steelers take this? They wouldn't! But the Vikings wouldn't offer anything really worth much, not with Stefon Diggs and Adam Thielen on the roster right now. They have bigger concerns.
25 Falcons
The Deal: Falcons send fourth-round pick (137) for Antonio Brown

Another throwaway offer from a team loaded with wide receivers. When you have Julio Jones and Calvin Ridley, you're not throwing picks at Antonio Brown.
26 Bills
The Deal: Bills send 2019 third-round pick (74) to Steelers for Antonio Brown

This is not a great deal, because I don't think Buffalo is going to make a trade that involves giving up a top 50 pick and both of their first two picks are in the top 50. Buffalo just doesn't profile as a good team to land Brown -- they're building up a base of young talent and while Josh Allen might be good, I'm not sure Brown is the guy you want to pair him with, given his accuracy issues.
27 Bengals
The Deal: Bengals send third-round pick (72) for Antonio Brown

Not only do the Bengals not work from the perspective of a division rival, they also don't work from the perspective of a team that needs Antonio Brown. They have A.J. Green, we saw Tyler Boyd develop last year into a legit WR2 and they have other issues. The Bengals might be the last team that would deal for Brown.
28 Cowboys
The Deal: Cowboys trade 2019 third-round pick (90) for Antonio Brown

Dallas would love to have Brown on the roster -- think of the combo of him and Amari Cooper lighting up secondaries -- but after spending a first-round pick on Cooper they can't really afford to make any kind of move. Additionally, the Dallas is about to tie up a LOT of money in DeMarcus Lawrence and Dak Prescott and Ezekiel Elliott. There's too much on the plate for them to even make an offer at this point.
29 Texans
The Deal: Texans send third-round pick (86) for Antonio Brown

With two second-round picks it's possible the Texans could be a bidder here to try and create the most disgusting WR combo in the NFL by adding Antonio Brown to DeAndre Hopkins (never mind Will Fuller). I just don't think Houston will look at its roster and think giving up a second-round pick is a smart move given their needs on the offensive line as well as the forthcoming need in terms of defense. Also they qualify as an AFC contender so it might require an overpay.
30 Giants
The Deal: Giants offer fourth-round pick (108) for Antonio Brown

As fun as it would be to see Odell Beckham and Antonio Brown, the Giants have their own set of WR issues to deal with. Additionally, they can't trade a top-10 pick for Brown, I think their second-round pick is too high to send for a second elite wideout and their third-round pick was forfeited.
31 Ravens
The Deal: Ravens third-round pick (85th overall) for Antonio Brown

I'm tempted to have Eric DeCosta call Kevin Colbert from a burner phone and offer the Ravens' first-round pick just to put the Steelers in a weird spot of maybe not knowing what to do. But without a second-round pick I'm not sure the Ravens can afford that, although Brown with Lamar Jackson would be fun. The Steelers aren't trading him to Baltimore.


Any on here that stand out?


Steelers should hold out and get more. Play his ass and trade him potentially mid season after a few WR go down and the demand goes way up. Brown for a 3rd round pick is just INSULTING!!! Steelers should trade for a 1 and a 3rd or 4th, or a 2nd and 3rd - nothing less. He's a fucking all-pro WR, has a strong work ethic, is in great physical shape, and has rarely been injured. (even though his mental state is in the toilet)

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Post by Legacy User » Thu Feb 28, 2019 4:14 pm

These people are horrible. Except for some good eggs like Juju and Conner and Villy and DD we are rooting for black and yellow laundry. I've never been more disinterested in an upcoming PS season.

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Post by Jobu » Thu Feb 28, 2019 5:23 pm

stillthere wrote:Interesting exercise in hypothetical land.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/antonio-brown-trade-rumors-ranking-possible-trade-offers-for-star-wr-from-every-single-nfl-team/




Antonio Brown trade rumors: Ranking possible trade offers for star WR from every single NFL team

Looking at 31 possible offers for Antonio Brown and narrowing down some contenders



Antonio Brown is going to get traded and it might actually end up happening this week, as the Steelers meet with various teams in and around the city of Indianapolis to talk trade. GM Kevin Colbert intimated during his public discussion on Brown there are teams the Steelers won't deal with, and I get why -- trading him in the division or handing Brown to the Patriots doesn't make much sense. But the Steelers should absolutely try and get the best deal possible for Brown.

So let's try and get it for them. With every single team in Indy, there's a chance for the Steelers to get 31 offers for Brown over the next few days. I don't think that will actually happen, but I bet they get something in the range of 15-20 calls about the wide receiver and some preliminary discussions with plenty of teams about the asking price for the future Hall of Fame wide receiver.

In this exercise, I'm going to try and determine what the best offer the Steelers could get from every single other team in the NFL and rank those offers.

This is not as simple as the Cardinals offering the first pick, of course. They wouldn't do that. I don't think they would offer the first pick of the second round, either. These negotiations are tricky because different teams have different scenarios. A team like the Bills or Dolphins, for example, isn't going to just give up a first- or second-round pick for Brown because he's a good player. Getting a 30-year-old wideout with a hefty contract and a diva attitude on a rebuilding roster is not sensible. The Giants have a stud wideout in Odell Beckham who they may or may not be trying to trade themselves. It's pretty unlikely they would deal for Brown.

So when creating these offers and ranking them, the situation matters.

1 Seahawks
The Deal: Seahawks send first-round pick (No. 21) and a fourth (124) for Antonio Brown and a third-round pick (83)

I think Seattle makes a world of sense as a landing spot for Brown, primarily because of the Seahawks' willingness to take on star players in aggressive fashion, a la Jimmy Graham and Percy Harvin. Brown might not meld perfectly with Russell Wilson off the field but my goodness he would click on the field. If the Seahawks are sticking with their 2018 offensive game plan of not letting Russell crank things up, this might be a waste. But giving up a first- and a fourth-round pick (they don't have a second-round selection) and getting Brown and a third-round pick feels like a spicy type of move John Schneider and Pete Carroll might like to pull off. The Steelers want a first-round pick in exchange and Seattle's never shy about trading their top selections.
2 Eagles
The Deal: Eagles trade 2019 second-round pick (53) and 2020 second-round pick (TBD) for Antonio Brown

The Eagles want to compete next year and the Steelers want to get fair compensation for Brown while shipping him to the NFC. This deal takes care of both items and the Eagles don't actually have to sacrifice players in this draft thanks to having two second-round picks (via the Lamar Jackson deal from last year). I also think Howie Roseman sees this deal and believes he can generate a new second-round pick for next year by trading down from No. 25 overall this year, meaning he can basically pick up Antonio Brown for the cost of dealing down and really giving the Eagles some juice. Two seconds in this range are roughly worth a first-round pick.
3 Raiders
The Deal: Raiders send first-round pick (27) for Antonio Brown

This sure seems like a likely landing spot, even if the Raiders don't meet the "not in the AFC" qualifications we've heard about. The Raiders have three first-round picks, they need to get some help for Derek Carr, they don't have any wideouts on the depth chart right now and Brown would still be on the roster when they get to Las Vegas. This feels like a Jon Gruden move, even if those draft picks might be well used by Mike Mayock.
4 49ers
The Deal: 49ers send second-round pick (36) and a fourth (104) for Antonio Brown

Logical landing spot for Brown but somewhat problematic because of the situation with the draft spot. The 49ers aren't giving away the No. 2 pick for Brown. They can't even swap first-round picks and get Brown, because it's basically like giving up the fifth-round pick on the trade chart. That second-round pick of the 49ers is pretty darn valuable though, as it's basically a first-round pick. These two picks are the equivalent of a late first-round pick though, so this would work in terms of the Steelers demands.
5 Packers
The Deal: Packers send second-round pick (44) for Antonio Brown

In my most recent mock draft I had the Packers sending a first-round pick (their second one, from New Orleans, No. 30 overall) to the Steelers for Brown. I could see that happening. But I think wide receiver might not be the biggest need of this team and there's so much value at No. 30 with this draft class that I think it's more likely Green Bay dangles a nice second-round pick, knowing it comes out of the second round with a minimum of two picks and Antonio Brown. That's a nice haul.
6 Jets
The Deal: Jets send 2020 second-round pick (TBD) + Robby Anderson to Steelers for Antonio Brown

Originally I had the Jets sending a third-round pick this year but I'm not sure that's enough to get this deal done. New York can't gamble on sending a first-round pick, but a 2020 second-round selection is a tasty little carrot for the Steelers (it could be top five and probably won't be bottom 10) to bite on. Anderson had a good rapport with Sam Darnold, but Brown is an obvious upgrade. This lets the Steelers recoup value for losing a star and it helps the Jets win now.
7 Titans
The Deal: Rashaan Evans for Antonio Brown

The Titans' first-round pick last year, Evans had a nice rookie season but nothing insanely productive, although he certainly improved late. The Steelers were seriously rumored to be interested in landing the linebacker in the draft and perhaps they'd be willing to take a second bite at the apple here? This isn't suggesting Evans isn't good by any means, but I do think wide receiver should be a bigger concern for the Titans, while the Steelers should be thrilled to add a defensive playmaker.
8 Buccaneers
The Deal: Buccaneers send first-round pick (5) for Antonio Brown, first-round pick (20) and third-round pick (83)

This would be SPICY because it involves a top-five pick and people will clamor about the Bucs trading a pick that high and saying it's unfair. But this is the equivalent on the trade-value chart of giving up the 27th pick for Brown. And when you look at this draft class, I don't think there's anything bad about ditching a top-five slot to slide down and get the No. 20 pick, scoop up a third-round pick AND get Antonio Brown. I think the Steelers might flinch at sacrificing multiple picks in this scenario but they could potentially get a game-changing defensive player at the top of this draft. It would also be Pittsburgh's first top-10 pick since taking Plaxico Burress in 2000. What a run that is.
9 Cardinals
The Deal: Cardinals send second-round pick (33) and Larry Fitzgerald for Antonio Brown

BLOCKBUSTER. I don't think the Cardinals would actually trade Larry Fitz, but I do think it would be cool to see the former Pitt Panthers star wearing the Steelers colors and making one more run at a Super Bowl (with the team that beat him for his best shot at one before). Fitz would help the Steelers take pressure off JuJu Smith-Schuster and Brown would help Josh Rosen develop. The Cardinals definitely have a need for a stud wideout to replace Fitz, but I'm not sure they have the proper capital to pull this off.
10 Patriots
The Deal: Patriots send 2019 first-round pick (32) for Antonio Brown

The ultimate temptation for the Steelers, since sending Brown to their AFC rival will complicate any playoff run. Not only do the Steelers likely have to see the Pats in the playoffs if they want to win the Super Bowl, but they face New England in the regular season. Can't you imagine Bill Belichick sauntering up to Kevin Colbert, saying he doesn't want to insult him but noting he would be willing to give up a first-round pick? The Steelers can't give Brown to the Patriots.
11 Redskins
The Deal: Redskins send second-round pick (No. 46) for Antonio Brown

The Redskins make ZERO sense in terms of a team that needs to be getting involved in an Antonio Brown trade. Imagine being in QB purgatory they way they are and thinking Brown will save it. But there are jobs on the line and Washington could potentially believe drafting a QB with their first-round pick (or signing Nick Foles or Teddy Bridgewater) and adding Brown with a second-rounder makes them competitive. The Steelers would be interested in a top-50 pick. It wouldn't be stunning if Washington's front office was willing to offer a future first-round pick either but that would be a massive mistake; if that's on the table you take it and run if you're Pittsburgh.
12 Saints
The Deal: Saints send second-round pick (62) and Eli Apple to Steelers

How desperate are the Saints? And how willing to gamble on the Saints being good next year would the Steelers be in this spot? The Saints are a very good landing spot, but they don't have a current first-round pick thanks to the Marcus Davenport trade. Is Apple and a second-round pick enough? I could see the Saints being willing to give up their 2020 first-round pick as they continue to chase one last championship during the Drew Brees era.
13 Browns
The Deal: Browns send 2019 second-round pick (49) for Antonio Brown

I think this is actually a good match in terms of teams, except for the whole AFC North division rival thing. The Browns could throw AB in their offense and it would be delightful to watch. Brown is better than anyone Cleveland would get in the second round and he fits their window with Baker Mayfield's rookie contract. Pittsburgh won't hurt its chances to win the division though, and I don't think Cleveland would sacrifice a first-round pick.
14 Panthers
The Deal: Panthers send second-round pick (47) for Antonio Brown

Carolina is a wild-card team to watch, as Peter King of NBC Sports recently wrote in his FMIA column. We don't know exactly what new owner David Tepper is willing to do -- he's signed Eric Reid and just announced a beer festival would take place in Bank of America Stadium. (In other words, this is NOT Jerry Richardson, who wouldn't have traded for Brown.) Tepper was previously a minority owner with the Steelers so there's some wheel-greasing there as well as knowledge of Brown. I don't think Carolina can sacrifice its first-round pick, however, and a swap wouldn't be enough unless they threw in another pick. There's also a substantial number of other issues to handle this offseason for the Panthers.
15 Broncos
The Deal: Broncos send second-round pick (41) for Antonio Brown

Feels like another potential sleeper team here for Brown, with John Elway clearly getting desperate to try and win now. I'm not sure Joe Flacco and AB are the magic combo you're looking for, but it would at least give the Broncos some offseason hope and hype. They've already got Courtland Sutton and Daesean Hamilton (Emmanuel Sanders is likely getting cut) so maybe they're confident, but I could see them being a little desperate. They can't move their first-round pick though.
16 Lions
The Deal: Lions send second-round pick (43) for Antonio Brown

Are the Lions a sleeper here? They have Marvin Jones and Kenny Golladay so there's no huge need and they shifted to a run-heavy approach late last year (Matthew Stafford's stats to close out the season should be a bigger deal than it has been) but I could see the Patriots combo of Bob Quinn and Matt Patricia loving the idea of landing Brown. (Could they then turn around and trade Brown to the Patriots??? That would be something.) I just can't see them giving up a first-round pick in a defensive heavy draft.
17 Colts
The Deal: Colts offer second-round pick (59) for Antonio Brown

The Colts have multiple second-round picks via the Sam Darnold trade with the Jets last year and while they could potentially pull off this deal by offering that earlier pick, I'm not sure that Brown necessarily fits what Chris Ballard is looking for. I also question whether he'd be willing to make this move when he sees the 34th pick as a major chip in a deep defensive draft. T.Y. Hilton and Antonio Brown is fun to imagine but the Colts resources are better used on defense.
18 Chargers
The Deal: Chargers send second-round pick (60) for Antonio Brown

Another team in the AFC that's unlikely to strike a deal because of the playoff problems they present (based on what the Steelers have said) and a team that has lots of weapons at wide receiver right now. Antonio Brown feels like a luxury for a team with other needs (ahem, linebacker).
19 Chiefs
The Deal: Chiefs send second-round pick (61) for Antonio Brown

K.C. has a pair of second-round picks and as Kevin Clark of The Ringer has noted, Brett Veach is out there looking for Antonio Brown-type wideouts. I just don't know if the Steelers would be willing to deal to the Chiefs, as Brown would represent a problem for them at some point in the postseason, more than likely. K.C. fits with the Patriots in terms of that profile. The Chiefs also need to focus on defense in the draft.
20 Jaguars
The Deal: Jaguars send third-round pick (69) for Antonio Brown

I want the Jags to call and offer Leonard Fournette for Brown just to hear the laughter on the other end of the line. Jacksonville can't possibly offer their first-round pick for Brown, but their second-round pick might be a worthwhile offer, although it all depends on what they do with Nick Foles before we can really expect them to make a move. In other words, the Jags feel unlikely here because they have a lot of other issues, including the quarterback, to sort out.
21 Dolphins
The Deal: Dolphins send 2019 third-round pick (78) to Steelers for Antonio Brown

Same situation as Buffalo. It's just hard to imagine the Dolphins thinking they're one Mr. Big Chest away from being a contender, especially after rebooting the front office and the coaching staff once again. They don't even know who their quarterback is -- hard to see them shipping anything more than a third-round pick and that won't get it done with Pittsburgh.
22 Bears
The Deal: Bears send third-round pick (87) for Antonio Brown

I can't imagine the Bears trading another future first-round pick (and it wouldn't be a top offer anyway, with Chicago expected to be good) and they don't have a first-round pick or a second-round pick this year because of earlier trades, which means this is the best they can offer. Again, Chicago could get crazy aggressive and try to send 2020 picks, but that doesn't feel like the move here with the way they've built their roster.
23 Rams
The Deal: Rams send third-round pick (94) for Antonio Brown

I wouldn't put anything past the Rams in terms of Les Snead's willingness to trade, but adding Antonio Brown to a group that already features Brandin Cooks, Robert Woods and Cooper Kupp seems excessive. The Rams don't have a second-round pick and do need to replenish the defense, so it doesn't make a ton of sense to lob out a first-round pick for Brown here.
24 Vikings
The Deal: Vikings send fourth-round pick (120) for Antonio Brown

Uhhhh why would the Steelers take this? They wouldn't! But the Vikings wouldn't offer anything really worth much, not with Stefon Diggs and Adam Thielen on the roster right now. They have bigger concerns.
25 Falcons
The Deal: Falcons send fourth-round pick (137) for Antonio Brown

Another throwaway offer from a team loaded with wide receivers. When you have Julio Jones and Calvin Ridley, you're not throwing picks at Antonio Brown.
26 Bills
The Deal: Bills send 2019 third-round pick (74) to Steelers for Antonio Brown

This is not a great deal, because I don't think Buffalo is going to make a trade that involves giving up a top 50 pick and both of their first two picks are in the top 50. Buffalo just doesn't profile as a good team to land Brown -- they're building up a base of young talent and while Josh Allen might be good, I'm not sure Brown is the guy you want to pair him with, given his accuracy issues.
27 Bengals
The Deal: Bengals send third-round pick (72) for Antonio Brown

Not only do the Bengals not work from the perspective of a division rival, they also don't work from the perspective of a team that needs Antonio Brown. They have A.J. Green, we saw Tyler Boyd develop last year into a legit WR2 and they have other issues. The Bengals might be the last team that would deal for Brown.
28 Cowboys
The Deal: Cowboys trade 2019 third-round pick (90) for Antonio Brown

Dallas would love to have Brown on the roster -- think of the combo of him and Amari Cooper lighting up secondaries -- but after spending a first-round pick on Cooper they can't really afford to make any kind of move. Additionally, the Dallas is about to tie up a LOT of money in DeMarcus Lawrence and Dak Prescott and Ezekiel Elliott. There's too much on the plate for them to even make an offer at this point.
29 Texans
The Deal: Texans send third-round pick (86) for Antonio Brown

With two second-round picks it's possible the Texans could be a bidder here to try and create the most disgusting WR combo in the NFL by adding Antonio Brown to DeAndre Hopkins (never mind Will Fuller). I just don't think Houston will look at its roster and think giving up a second-round pick is a smart move given their needs on the offensive line as well as the forthcoming need in terms of defense. Also they qualify as an AFC contender so it might require an overpay.
30 Giants
The Deal: Giants offer fourth-round pick (108) for Antonio Brown

As fun as it would be to see Odell Beckham and Antonio Brown, the Giants have their own set of WR issues to deal with. Additionally, they can't trade a top-10 pick for Brown, I think their second-round pick is too high to send for a second elite wideout and their third-round pick was forfeited.
31 Ravens
The Deal: Ravens third-round pick (85th overall) for Antonio Brown

I'm tempted to have Eric DeCosta call Kevin Colbert from a burner phone and offer the Ravens' first-round pick just to put the Steelers in a weird spot of maybe not knowing what to do. But without a second-round pick I'm not sure the Ravens can afford that, although Brown with Lamar Jackson would be fun. The Steelers aren't trading him to Baltimore.


Any on here that stand out?

The Eagles, 2019 and 2020 second rounders, maybe. Get the Rayduhs to kick in a 4th along with 1:27 and I’m all in. And Niners sweeten that 4th to 3rd to go with the round 2.
Other than that...meh. And some of those are bullshit ridiculous. :lol:
One thing I’m certainly not interested in is giving back any picks along with AB...like the Seattle offer. No you are not getting our third round pick. Now if you want a player named Burns or Dupree, then we can talk. Hells bells, make that 4th a 3 and you can have both!
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Post by stillthere » Thu Feb 28, 2019 5:41 pm

The guy that wrote the article stated that some of the offers i.e. Buffalo a 3rd was because they really have no use for AB they are several pieces away from competing so offering anything is pointless.

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Post by 86n96 » Thu Feb 28, 2019 9:35 pm

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I think this AAF season makes one wonder if coaching isn't more of an issue than personnel. The Steelers had Terrence Garvin and Jamar Summers in camp/on the team and barely gave them a chance to play on defense, cut them in favor of other guys who appear to be lesser players.

Maybe the coaches (and in this case a lot of weight on position coaches) are just playing the wrong guys?

Coaching and scheme are the major defensive problem...not talent. I’ve been saying that for years, and I believe it now more than ever.

Our scheme is a shit show right now.
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Post by bradshaw2ben » Thu Feb 28, 2019 11:41 pm

Particularly ironic that AB is pissed off that BEN gets special treatment, considering AB gets a shitpile of special treatment that doesn't seem to bother him at all.

I am more certain than ever that this is about $$$. AB wants respect from his organization, and in the NFL that means $$$.

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Post by steelmann58 » Fri Mar 01, 2019 12:06 am

Did AB make some of those comments from the hotel room he stayed at camp instead of the dorms

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Post by stillthere » Fri Mar 01, 2019 12:28 am

steelmann58 wrote:Did AB make some of those comments from the hotel room he stayed at camp instead of the dorms


Dude is seriously delusional at this point. What was that Bob Marley lyric about "when you point your finger at someone else three more are pointing back at you" AB wants to point out Ben, Tomlin and now Colbert but never wants to take a look in the mirror. Fuck him at this point. Dude quit on his team and I cannot condone such action. As a guy that played many sports and have had many a job that relies on other people working together to accomplish a goal he is just some douche to me now. Granted he is a talented douche but he can just shut up and go away in my book.

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Post by 955876 » Fri Mar 01, 2019 12:36 am

Agreed....
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Post by RemoAZ » Fri Mar 01, 2019 2:50 am

And the greedy agent keeps pouring gasoline on the fire. Let's just hope he doesn't do anything else stupid until after he's traded. We'll see how much damage he's already done. Hopefully Colbert can spin all the shit so far as the player just trying to force his way out and not a mentally challenged person melting down.
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Post by steelmann58 » Fri Mar 01, 2019 3:32 am

AB gets all kinds of special treatment that seems to be ok. He shows no respect to his teamates when quitting on his team. He also trying to get his release that at least Colbert said not happening. The man wants a new contract even though he signed for 3 more years. AB still will be pissed if he ends up going to a team with a veteran qb like Rodgers. He wants and needs to go to a team with a young QB that he can bully to pad his stats.

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Post by Jobu » Fri Mar 01, 2019 3:36 am

bradshaw2ben wrote:Particularly ironic that AB is pissed off that BEN gets special treatment, considering AB gets a shitpile of special treatment that doesn't seem to bother him at all.

I am more certain than ever that this is about $$$. AB wants respect from his organization, and in the NFL that means $$$.

Absolutely...does anyone not believe should the Steelers approach AB with an extension and substantial raise that all of a sudden he’s problems with Roethlisberger would disappear?
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Post by StillBuda » Fri Mar 01, 2019 8:18 am

To me it seems like a weird combination of a head injury, a really greedy agent, and I dare say some kind of "smart" drug or Adderall or something like that. Some of the moves Brown makes definitely seem like he's on one of these newer drugs that are somewhat like speed, but not. You combine something like Adderall with an untreated head injury and it seems like you would get this kind of behavior.

On the other hand, maybe he is truly frustrated with the other teammates and organization's underperforming and this is the only way out he sees. If that's the case, I can't blame him 100%. He's on the inside, we aren't. Maybe Harrison has him hooked up with Bellicheat already and its just a matter of time. Remember what's-his-face RB that quit mid-season, joined the Pats and got a ring that year? Harrison quit, joined the Pats, went to the Super Bowl? How long can you knock yourself out every year and watch your team implode. It gets to us, it would probably get to him more.

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Post by StillBuda » Fri Mar 01, 2019 8:18 am

To me it seems like a weird combination of a head injury, a really greedy agent, and I dare say some kind of "smart" drug or Adderall or something like that. Some of the moves Brown makes definitely seem like he's on one of these newer drugs that are somewhat like speed, but not. You combine something like Adderall with an untreated head injury and it seems like you would get this kind of behavior.

On the other hand, maybe he is truly frustrated with the other teammates and organization's underperforming and this is the only way out he sees. If that's the case, I can't blame him 100%. He's on the inside, we aren't. Maybe Harrison has him hooked up with Bellicheat already and its just a matter of time. Remember what's-his-face RB that quit mid-season, joined the Pats and got a ring that year? Harrison quit, joined the Pats, went to the Super Bowl? How long can you knock yourself out every year and watch your team implode. It gets to us, it would probably get to him more.

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Post by stillthere » Fri Mar 01, 2019 4:06 pm

StillBuda wrote:How long can you knock yourself out every year and watch your team implode. It gets to us, it would probably get to him more.


only problem is he is part of the problem. If the recent story that he basically walked out 3 different times this past season is true and the coaches coddled his ego and ignored his actions then as a team mate it would probably get to you. Also the report that said if AB dressed and played week 17 there would have been a players revolt or he would have been physically been removed from his uniform. That tells me that the team was sick of AB's bullshit. Maybe that is why AB claims not to be upset with the Steelers but wants out. His fellow players basically told him what's what when they said he cannot play week 17. I am also willing to bet it is quite possible that if the team had not said no Tomlin may have let him play. I don't have proof of that but the coach seemed to cover for him for quite a while now if the reports are to be believed.

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Post by R_S » Fri Mar 01, 2019 4:37 pm

I'd love for AB to go to Baltimore. He'd destroy that Locker Room and Lamar Jackson's inaccuracy would destroy AB's stats. Win win.

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Post by stillthere » Fri Mar 01, 2019 4:42 pm

R S wrote:I'd love for AB to go to Baltimore. He'd destroy that Locker Room and Lamar Jackson's inaccuracy would destroy AB's stats. Win win.


I saw a segment on cbs sports that brought it up and basically said that Baltimore would be dumb to bring him in for the reason of him being in Lamar Jackson's ear all the time hindering his development. So I am down with this as well. Only problem is I would prefer a better draft pick.

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Post by Ice » Fri Mar 01, 2019 5:02 pm

That "retarding young quarterback/our locker room is too young for AB" line of thinking sounds like it's becoming a familiar story.
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