No, I think it's fair given where we're at now.COR-TEN wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 10:18 pmJust make sure your making that deal based on your belief, and not pressured by this board, who would liquidate 90% of the steeler organization staff.El Kabong wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 10:11 pmTell you what. If Tomlin makes the playoffs this year, I will support his being back next year. If Tomlin fails to make the playoffs this year, I will support his firing. Fair enough?Orangesteel wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 8:26 pm
OK how about just making a comment that Tomlin is shit coach
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The first Int was bad under thrown but Pool should have had the ball . The second one was inexcusable he should throw the ball away it was a tremedous try by Muth to even get hands on it.
steelmann58 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 10:29 pmThe first Int was bad under thrown but Pool should have had the ball . The second one was inexcusable he should throw the ball away it was a tremedous try by Muth to even get hands on it.

Dude, c'mon.
It wasn't even that high.
Freiermuth went up and got both hands on it.
Shoulda had it.
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you have 10 days and you get outplayed by the fucking jets with backups on their OL
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Stated this earlier in the thread. He tries to catch the ball against his body which is one of his biggest failures. The ball hit him in the hands and he had it knocked out. DJ, Pickens and Muth all catch the ball with their hands and brings it into their body but not good ole Claymore.K_C_ wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 9:43 pmI just re-watched that play and you're right.....because while Claypool adjusted, he never went up for the ball.bradshaw2ben wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 9:35 pmThe 5’8” Joyner knocked it down before it even got to claypool’s hands
Claypool, like usual, didn't use his size or positioning to go up and make a play.
He let the ball get all the way down to his belly.
He just stuck his hands out while.....wait for it.....falling backwards.
Shocking, right?
It's rock bottom for this defense. And it isn't just Watt being out. That line is getting shoved around at the end of games. Its unbelievable how un-clutch they are. And we have the horses to be better.steelmann58 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 10:32 pmyou have 10 days and you get outplayed by the fucking jets with backups on their OL
Here I was thinking Matt Canada might get fired mid season,. But maybe we need to be looking at Teryl Austin? I mean this defense outside of a few individual playmakers is just paper soft
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This^^^^steelmann58 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 10:32 pmyou have 10 days and you get outplayed by the fucking jets with backups on their OL
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It is a very nuanced decision Kabong. You don’t go this many years without a losing season without being a great coach.
There are more people involved with this equation than just Tomlin.
Talent and coaches are very underrated.
Belichick hasn’t done dick since Brady left. And yet Brady won another ring.
So many questions would have to be answered in order to give an answer to these questions. Who is making the hiring decisions. Who is making the draft picks. Etc etc. it goes on and on, and that is why making changes slowly works for the Steelers.
Give Tomlin an offensive genius and who knows what will happen. Is it really Tomlin being a wet blanket? Wasn’t Rooney involved in bringing Arians in for Ben…it goes on and on.
The sky is still blue. Just don’t engage in the debate about Tomlin. I thought the not starting KP was stupid. But does he need to be fired? You could get rid of Tomlin and make it a successful transition. You could also make some changes in the organization and be successful with Tomlin. It is hard to win championships! Especially hard to do it consistently!
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Look at his bent low point elbows!stillcajun wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 10:36 pmStated this earlier in the thread. He tries to catch the ball against his body which is one of his biggest failures. The ball hit him in the hands and he had it knocked out. DJ, Pickens and Muth all catch the ball with their hands and brings it into their body but not good ole Claymore.K_C_ wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 9:43 pmI just re-watched that play and you're right.....because while Claypool adjusted, he never went up for the ball.bradshaw2ben wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 9:35 pm
The 5’8” Joyner knocked it down before it even got to claypool’s hands
Claypool, like usual, didn't use his size or positioning to go up and make a play.
He let the ball get all the way down to his belly.
He just stuck his hands out while.....wait for it.....falling backwards.
Shocking, right?
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Sorry but that was high and its on him i get everyone on the Pickett bandwagon but it was a Stupid throwK_C_ wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 10:32 pmsteelmann58 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 10:29 pmThe first Int was bad under thrown but Pool should have had the ball . The second one was inexcusable he should throw the ball away it was a tremedous try by Muth to even get hands on it.![]()
Dude, c'mon.
It wasn't even that high.
Freiermuth went up and got both hands on it.
Shoulda had it.
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6’5 TE with a 28” vertical leap shouldn’t have to be completely extended just to get his finger tips on a ball when he’s wide open and it’s a dump off. It was a bad throw by any objective measure for those without an agenda.K_C_ wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 10:32 pmsteelmann58 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 10:29 pmThe first Int was bad under thrown but Pool should have had the ball . The second one was inexcusable he should throw the ball away it was a tremedous try by Muth to even get hands on it.![]()
Dude, c'mon.
It wasn't even that high.
Freiermuth went up and got both hands on it.
Shoulda had it.
The throw to Claypool was also off target, but that play is on Claypool. You have to high point the ball. When a 5’8 safety with his back turned knocks a ball away from a 6’4 WR who is trying to alligator arm the catch, that’s on the WR. Pickett could’ve avoided that by leading the receiver.
It was high and hit him in both hands.steelmann58 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 11:25 pmSorry but that was high and its on him i get everyone on the Pickett bandwagon but it was a Stupid throwK_C_ wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 10:32 pmsteelmann58 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 10:29 pmThe first Int was bad under thrown but Pool should have had the ball . The second one was inexcusable he should throw the ball away it was a tremedous try by Muth to even get hands on it.![]()
Dude, c'mon.
It wasn't even that high.
Freiermuth went up and got both hands on it.
Shoulda had it.
The Gronks, the Kelces, etc. They make that catch.

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KP saying nice things about the Muth interception. Said he tried to heave it where only his guy could get it. Laments not throwing it even higher OOB. In Kenny’s defense, how often do balls get picked off when thrown where only the receiver has a play at it?
KP said it was a mistake. Good enough for me.
KP said it was a mistake. Good enough for me.
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should never been thrown
He got more than his fingertips on the ball, so...that's horseshit. Went right thru his hands.Steelperch wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 11:31 pm6’5 TE with a 28” vertical leap shouldn’t have to be completely extended just to get his finger tips on a ball when he’s wide open and it’s a dump off. It was a bad throw by any objective measure for those without an agenda.K_C_ wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 10:32 pmsteelmann58 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 10:29 pmThe first Int was bad under thrown but Pool should have had the ball . The second one was inexcusable he should throw the ball away it was a tremedous try by Muth to even get hands on it.![]()
Dude, c'mon.
It wasn't even that high.
Freiermuth went up and got both hands on it.
Shoulda had it.
The throw to Claypool was also off target, but that play is on Claypool. You have to high point the ball. When a 5’8 safety with his back turned knocks a ball away from a 6’4 WR who is trying to alligator arm the catch, that’s on the WR. Pickett could’ve avoided that by leading the receiver.
Sure, the TE probably shouldn't need to leap there for the ball but see, we kinda had a rookie in at QB playing in his first ever NFL game. I'm sure he's awful sorry he made an inaccurate throw there that a big-time TE would have caught. End of story.
I like Freiermuth, He isn't a piece of shit like Claypool, but he shoulda caught that one for sure.
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the OL was terrible with pass blocking. but really how many illegal Lineman down field penalties
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This play should be coached like a cutoff in baseball. The TE needs to know when to let it go. Either catch it or let it go sailing OOB. I expect QB, TE, and coaches to be emphasizing that on the play; game awareness, down and distance, situational football; similar to the end zone throws to tall guys.steelmann58 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 11:25 pmSorry but that was high and its on him i get everyone on the Pickett bandwagon but it was a Stupid throwK_C_ wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 10:32 pmsteelmann58 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 10:29 pmThe first Int was bad under thrown but Pool should have had the ball . The second one was inexcusable he should throw the ball away it was a tremedous try by Muth to even get hands on it.![]()
Dude, c'mon.
It wasn't even that high.
Freiermuth went up and got both hands on it.
Shoulda had it.
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easy said than done in the heat of the moment
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On the local Pittsburgh post-game radio show, Charlie Batch said it had to do with the timing of RPO plays. The QB hangs close to the RB as long as possible, making it unclear to the D whether he's going to keep it or hand it off then pulls the ball back and throws it. Meanwhile, the OL has been run blocking and someone ends up downfield. They need to work on the timing of that stuff.steelmann58 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 11:45 pmthe OL was terrible with pass blocking. but really how many illegal Lineman down field penalties
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thank you for that infoEl Kabong wrote: ↑Mon Oct 03, 2022 2:17 amOn the local Pittsburgh post-game radio show, Charlie Batch said it had to do with the timing of RPO plays. The QB hangs close to the RB as long as possible, making it unclear to the D whether he's going to keep it or hand it off then pulls the ball back and throws it. Meanwhile, the OL has been run blocking and someone ends up downfield. They need to work on the timing of that stuff.steelmann58 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 11:45 pmthe OL was terrible with pass blocking. but really how many illegal Lineman down field penalties
Yes, this is usually how I think about things too.LakecrestSteeler wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 10:41 pmIt is a very nuanced decision Kabong. You don’t go this many years without a losing season without being a great coach.
There are more people involved with this equation than just Tomlin.
Talent and coaches are very underrated.
Belichick hasn’t done dick since Brady left. And yet Brady won another ring.
So many questions would have to be answered in order to give an answer to these questions. Who is making the hiring decisions. Who is making the draft picks. Etc etc. it goes on and on, and that is why making changes slowly works for the Steelers.
Give Tomlin an offensive genius and who knows what will happen. Is it really Tomlin being a wet blanket? Wasn’t Rooney involved in bringing Arians in for Ben…it goes on and on.
The sky is still blue. Just don’t engage in the debate about Tomlin. I thought the not starting KP was stupid. But does he need to be fired? You could get rid of Tomlin and make it a successful transition. You could also make some changes in the organization and be successful with Tomlin. It is hard to win championships! Especially hard to do it consistently!
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He does seem to suck at picking lieutenants though. Are these all him or are they Colbert/Khan Rooney recommendations! Some have been forced on him and some must be him, some have died and some just look good because of the talent.El Kabong wrote: ↑Mon Oct 03, 2022 2:25 amYes, this is usually how I think about things too.LakecrestSteeler wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 10:41 pmIt is a very nuanced decision Kabong. You don’t go this many years without a losing season without being a great coach.
There are more people involved with this equation than just Tomlin.
Talent and coaches are very underrated.
Belichick hasn’t done dick since Brady left. And yet Brady won another ring.
So many questions would have to be answered in order to give an answer to these questions. Who is making the hiring decisions. Who is making the draft picks. Etc etc. it goes on and on, and that is why making changes slowly works for the Steelers.
Give Tomlin an offensive genius and who knows what will happen. Is it really Tomlin being a wet blanket? Wasn’t Rooney involved in bringing Arians in for Ben…it goes on and on.
The sky is still blue. Just don’t engage in the debate about Tomlin. I thought the not starting KP was stupid. But does he need to be fired? You could get rid of Tomlin and make it a successful transition. You could also make some changes in the organization and be successful with Tomlin. It is hard to win championships! Especially hard to do it consistently!
I assume Tomlin's been hiring his coordinators with the exception of his wanting to keep Arians and having Arians "retired" out from under him.LakecrestSteeler wrote: ↑Mon Oct 03, 2022 2:34 amHe does seem to suck at picking lieutenants though. Are these all him or are they Colbert/Khan Rooney recommendations! Some have been forced on him and some must be him, some have died and some just look good because of the talent.El Kabong wrote: ↑Mon Oct 03, 2022 2:25 amYes, this is usually how I think about things too.LakecrestSteeler wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 10:41 pm
It is a very nuanced decision Kabong. You don’t go this many years without a losing season without being a great coach.
There are more people involved with this equation than just Tomlin.
Talent and coaches are very underrated.
Belichick hasn’t done dick since Brady left. And yet Brady won another ring.
So many questions would have to be answered in order to give an answer to these questions. Who is making the hiring decisions. Who is making the draft picks. Etc etc. it goes on and on, and that is why making changes slowly works for the Steelers.
Give Tomlin an offensive genius and who knows what will happen. Is it really Tomlin being a wet blanket? Wasn’t Rooney involved in bringing Arians in for Ben…it goes on and on.
The sky is still blue. Just don’t engage in the debate about Tomlin. I thought the not starting KP was stupid. But does he need to be fired? You could get rid of Tomlin and make it a successful transition. You could also make some changes in the organization and be successful with Tomlin. It is hard to win championships! Especially hard to do it consistently!
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Yeah, but if Berry comes in and out-performs his wonder boy Harvin, then Tomlin has to justify A. his roster selection and B. the drafting of a punter.steelmann58 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 10:19 pm10 days off and this is what you bring to the table. Bad move letting Harvin punt
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Tomlin’s coaching tree is as bare as a maple in December.
If there is anyone that doesn’t think that matters in the modern NFL…I don’t know what to tell you. He is stupid and he surrounds himself with stupid. We are hamstrung every week before the football is being placed on the kicking tee.
If there is anyone that doesn’t think that matters in the modern NFL…I don’t know what to tell you. He is stupid and he surrounds himself with stupid. We are hamstrung every week before the football is being placed on the kicking tee.
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15 years as HCOrangesteel wrote: ↑Mon Oct 03, 2022 3:39 pmTomlin’s coaching tree is as bare as a maple in December.
If there is anyone that doesn’t think that matters in the modern NFL…I don’t know what to tell you. He is stupid and he surrounds himself with stupid. We are hamstrung every week before the football is being placed on the kicking tee.
That's literally unprecedented that no coach he's groomed has been even asked to be a HC elsewhere.
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Yep. And very few are even in the league on other staffs as positional coaches, etc.Deebo wrote: ↑Mon Oct 03, 2022 3:42 pm15 years as HCOrangesteel wrote: ↑Mon Oct 03, 2022 3:39 pmTomlin’s coaching tree is as bare as a maple in December.
If there is anyone that doesn’t think that matters in the modern NFL…I don’t know what to tell you. He is stupid and he surrounds himself with stupid. We are hamstrung every week before the football is being placed on the kicking tee.
That's literally unprecedented that no coach he's groomed has been even asked to be a HC elsewhere.
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I think that penalty is a "point of interest" for the crews. I saw that called in every game I watched.steelmann58 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 11:45 pmthe OL was terrible with pass blocking. but really how many illegal Lineman down field penalties
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Yep. Concur! Must be a trying to establish a dividing line between college and NFL with the RPOs.jebrick wrote: ↑Mon Oct 03, 2022 4:00 pmI think that penalty is a "point of interest" for the crews. I saw that called in every game I watched.steelmann58 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 11:45 pmthe OL was terrible with pass blocking. but really how many illegal Lineman down field penalties
Maybe it is a counter balance to the known emphasis on illegal contact?
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Ehh, I’m not so sure about that. One could make the argument that Berry outperformed Harvin in the 2021 preseason, and certainly Waitman outperformed Harvin when he replaced him for a few games. Yet here we are.anpsteel wrote: ↑Mon Oct 03, 2022 10:40 amYeah, but if Berry comes in and out-performs his wonder boy Harvin, then Tomlin has to justify A. his roster selection and B. the drafting of a punter.steelmann58 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 10:19 pm10 days off and this is what you bring to the table. Bad move letting Harvin punt
Tomlin gonna Tomlin….he doesn’t believe that he owes anyone an explanation. Smartest guy in the room!
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