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Post by El Kabong » Sun Oct 02, 2022 10:24 pm

COR-TEN wrote:
Sun Oct 02, 2022 10:18 pm
El Kabong wrote:
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OK how about just making a comment that Tomlin is shit coach
Tell you what. If Tomlin makes the playoffs this year, I will support his being back next year. If Tomlin fails to make the playoffs this year, I will support his firing. Fair enough?
Just make sure your making that deal based on your belief, and not pressured by this board, who would liquidate 90% of the steeler organization staff.
No, I think it's fair given where we're at now.


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Post by steelmann58 » Sun Oct 02, 2022 10:29 pm

The first Int was bad under thrown but Pool should have had the ball . The second one was inexcusable he should throw the ball away it was a tremedous try by Muth to even get hands on it.

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Post by K_C_ » Sun Oct 02, 2022 10:32 pm

steelmann58 wrote:
Sun Oct 02, 2022 10:29 pm
The first Int was bad under thrown but Pool should have had the ball . The second one was inexcusable he should throw the ball away it was a tremedous try by Muth to even get hands on it.
:roll:

Dude, c'mon.

It wasn't even that high.

Freiermuth went up and got both hands on it.

Shoulda had it.
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Post by steelmann58 » Sun Oct 02, 2022 10:32 pm

you have 10 days and you get outplayed by the fucking jets with backups on their OL

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Post by stillcajun » Sun Oct 02, 2022 10:36 pm

K_C_ wrote:
Sun Oct 02, 2022 9:43 pm
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I agree

But it hit the pussy in the hands

He has to haul that in
The 5’8” Joyner knocked it down before it even got to claypool’s hands
I just re-watched that play and you're right.....because while Claypool adjusted, he never went up for the ball.

Claypool, like usual, didn't use his size or positioning to go up and make a play.

He let the ball get all the way down to his belly.

He just stuck his hands out while.....wait for it.....falling backwards.

Shocking, right?
Stated this earlier in the thread. He tries to catch the ball against his body which is one of his biggest failures. The ball hit him in the hands and he had it knocked out. DJ, Pickens and Muth all catch the ball with their hands and brings it into their body but not good ole Claymore.

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Post by drmalba » Sun Oct 02, 2022 10:36 pm

steelmann58 wrote:
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you have 10 days and you get outplayed by the fucking jets with backups on their OL
It's rock bottom for this defense. And it isn't just Watt being out. That line is getting shoved around at the end of games. Its unbelievable how un-clutch they are. And we have the horses to be better.

Here I was thinking Matt Canada might get fired mid season,. But maybe we need to be looking at Teryl Austin? I mean this defense outside of a few individual playmakers is just paper soft

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Post by stillcajun » Sun Oct 02, 2022 10:37 pm

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you have 10 days and you get outplayed by the fucking jets with backups on their OL
This^^^^

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Post by LakecrestSteeler » Sun Oct 02, 2022 10:41 pm

El Kabong wrote:
Sun Oct 02, 2022 10:24 pm
COR-TEN wrote:
Sun Oct 02, 2022 10:18 pm
El Kabong wrote:
Sun Oct 02, 2022 10:11 pm

Tell you what. If Tomlin makes the playoffs this year, I will support his being back next year. If Tomlin fails to make the playoffs this year, I will support his firing. Fair enough?
Just make sure your making that deal based on your belief, and not pressured by this board, who would liquidate 90% of the steeler organization staff.
No, I think it's fair given where we're at now.
It is a very nuanced decision Kabong. You don’t go this many years without a losing season without being a great coach.

There are more people involved with this equation than just Tomlin.

Talent and coaches are very underrated.

Belichick hasn’t done dick since Brady left. And yet Brady won another ring.

So many questions would have to be answered in order to give an answer to these questions. Who is making the hiring decisions. Who is making the draft picks. Etc etc. it goes on and on, and that is why making changes slowly works for the Steelers.

Give Tomlin an offensive genius and who knows what will happen. Is it really Tomlin being a wet blanket? Wasn’t Rooney involved in bringing Arians in for Ben…it goes on and on.

The sky is still blue. Just don’t engage in the debate about Tomlin. I thought the not starting KP was stupid. But does he need to be fired? You could get rid of Tomlin and make it a successful transition. You could also make some changes in the organization and be successful with Tomlin. It is hard to win championships! Especially hard to do it consistently!

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Post by LakecrestSteeler » Sun Oct 02, 2022 10:42 pm

stillcajun wrote:
Sun Oct 02, 2022 10:36 pm
K_C_ wrote:
Sun Oct 02, 2022 9:43 pm
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The 5’8” Joyner knocked it down before it even got to claypool’s hands
I just re-watched that play and you're right.....because while Claypool adjusted, he never went up for the ball.

Claypool, like usual, didn't use his size or positioning to go up and make a play.

He let the ball get all the way down to his belly.

He just stuck his hands out while.....wait for it.....falling backwards.

Shocking, right?
Stated this earlier in the thread. He tries to catch the ball against his body which is one of his biggest failures. The ball hit him in the hands and he had it knocked out. DJ, Pickens and Muth all catch the ball with their hands and brings it into their body but not good ole Claymore.
Look at his bent low point elbows!
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Post by steelmann58 » Sun Oct 02, 2022 11:25 pm

K_C_ wrote:
Sun Oct 02, 2022 10:32 pm
steelmann58 wrote:
Sun Oct 02, 2022 10:29 pm
The first Int was bad under thrown but Pool should have had the ball . The second one was inexcusable he should throw the ball away it was a tremedous try by Muth to even get hands on it.
:roll:

Dude, c'mon.

It wasn't even that high.

Freiermuth went up and got both hands on it.

Shoulda had it.
Sorry but that was high and its on him i get everyone on the Pickett bandwagon but it was a Stupid throw

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Post by Steelperch » Sun Oct 02, 2022 11:31 pm

K_C_ wrote:
Sun Oct 02, 2022 10:32 pm
steelmann58 wrote:
Sun Oct 02, 2022 10:29 pm
The first Int was bad under thrown but Pool should have had the ball . The second one was inexcusable he should throw the ball away it was a tremedous try by Muth to even get hands on it.
:roll:

Dude, c'mon.

It wasn't even that high.

Freiermuth went up and got both hands on it.

Shoulda had it.
6’5 TE with a 28” vertical leap shouldn’t have to be completely extended just to get his finger tips on a ball when he’s wide open and it’s a dump off. It was a bad throw by any objective measure for those without an agenda.

The throw to Claypool was also off target, but that play is on Claypool. You have to high point the ball. When a 5’8 safety with his back turned knocks a ball away from a 6’4 WR who is trying to alligator arm the catch, that’s on the WR. Pickett could’ve avoided that by leading the receiver.

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Post by K_C_ » Sun Oct 02, 2022 11:33 pm

steelmann58 wrote:
Sun Oct 02, 2022 11:25 pm
K_C_ wrote:
Sun Oct 02, 2022 10:32 pm
steelmann58 wrote:
Sun Oct 02, 2022 10:29 pm
The first Int was bad under thrown but Pool should have had the ball . The second one was inexcusable he should throw the ball away it was a tremedous try by Muth to even get hands on it.
:roll:

Dude, c'mon.

It wasn't even that high.

Freiermuth went up and got both hands on it.

Shoulda had it.
Sorry but that was high and its on him i get everyone on the Pickett bandwagon but it was a Stupid throw
It was high and hit him in both hands.

The Gronks, the Kelces, etc. They make that catch.

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Post by Professor Half Wit » Sun Oct 02, 2022 11:36 pm

KP saying nice things about the Muth interception. Said he tried to heave it where only his guy could get it. Laments not throwing it even higher OOB. In Kenny’s defense, how often do balls get picked off when thrown where only the receiver has a play at it?

KP said it was a mistake. Good enough for me.
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Post by steelmann58 » Sun Oct 02, 2022 11:36 pm

should never been thrown

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Post by K_C_ » Sun Oct 02, 2022 11:38 pm

Steelperch wrote:
Sun Oct 02, 2022 11:31 pm
K_C_ wrote:
Sun Oct 02, 2022 10:32 pm
steelmann58 wrote:
Sun Oct 02, 2022 10:29 pm
The first Int was bad under thrown but Pool should have had the ball . The second one was inexcusable he should throw the ball away it was a tremedous try by Muth to even get hands on it.
:roll:

Dude, c'mon.

It wasn't even that high.

Freiermuth went up and got both hands on it.

Shoulda had it.
6’5 TE with a 28” vertical leap shouldn’t have to be completely extended just to get his finger tips on a ball when he’s wide open and it’s a dump off. It was a bad throw by any objective measure for those without an agenda.

The throw to Claypool was also off target, but that play is on Claypool. You have to high point the ball. When a 5’8 safety with his back turned knocks a ball away from a 6’4 WR who is trying to alligator arm the catch, that’s on the WR. Pickett could’ve avoided that by leading the receiver.
He got more than his fingertips on the ball, so...that's horseshit. Went right thru his hands.

Sure, the TE probably shouldn't need to leap there for the ball but see, we kinda had a rookie in at QB playing in his first ever NFL game. I'm sure he's awful sorry he made an inaccurate throw there that a big-time TE would have caught. End of story.

I like Freiermuth, He isn't a piece of shit like Claypool, but he shoulda caught that one for sure.
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Post by steelmann58 » Sun Oct 02, 2022 11:45 pm

the OL was terrible with pass blocking. but really how many illegal Lineman down field penalties

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Post by LakecrestSteeler » Sun Oct 02, 2022 11:57 pm

steelmann58 wrote:
Sun Oct 02, 2022 11:25 pm
K_C_ wrote:
Sun Oct 02, 2022 10:32 pm
steelmann58 wrote:
Sun Oct 02, 2022 10:29 pm
The first Int was bad under thrown but Pool should have had the ball . The second one was inexcusable he should throw the ball away it was a tremedous try by Muth to even get hands on it.
:roll:

Dude, c'mon.

It wasn't even that high.

Freiermuth went up and got both hands on it.

Shoulda had it.
Sorry but that was high and its on him i get everyone on the Pickett bandwagon but it was a Stupid throw
This play should be coached like a cutoff in baseball. The TE needs to know when to let it go. Either catch it or let it go sailing OOB. I expect QB, TE, and coaches to be emphasizing that on the play; game awareness, down and distance, situational football; similar to the end zone throws to tall guys.

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Post by steelmann58 » Mon Oct 03, 2022 1:04 am

easy said than done in the heat of the moment
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Post by El Kabong » Mon Oct 03, 2022 2:17 am

steelmann58 wrote:
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the OL was terrible with pass blocking. but really how many illegal Lineman down field penalties
On the local Pittsburgh post-game radio show, Charlie Batch said it had to do with the timing of RPO plays. The QB hangs close to the RB as long as possible, making it unclear to the D whether he's going to keep it or hand it off then pulls the ball back and throws it. Meanwhile, the OL has been run blocking and someone ends up downfield. They need to work on the timing of that stuff.
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Post by steelmann58 » Mon Oct 03, 2022 2:20 am

El Kabong wrote:
Mon Oct 03, 2022 2:17 am
steelmann58 wrote:
Sun Oct 02, 2022 11:45 pm
the OL was terrible with pass blocking. but really how many illegal Lineman down field penalties
On the local Pittsburgh post-game radio show, Charlie Batch said it had to do with the timing of RPO plays. The QB hangs close to the RB as long as possible, making it unclear to the D whether he's going to keep it or hand it off then pulls the ball back and throws it. Meanwhile, the OL has been run blocking and someone ends up downfield. They need to work on the timing of that stuff.
thank you for that info

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Post by El Kabong » Mon Oct 03, 2022 2:25 am

LakecrestSteeler wrote:
Sun Oct 02, 2022 10:41 pm
El Kabong wrote:
Sun Oct 02, 2022 10:24 pm
COR-TEN wrote:
Sun Oct 02, 2022 10:18 pm
Just make sure your making that deal based on your belief, and not pressured by this board, who would liquidate 90% of the steeler organization staff.
No, I think it's fair given where we're at now.
It is a very nuanced decision Kabong. You don’t go this many years without a losing season without being a great coach.

There are more people involved with this equation than just Tomlin.

Talent and coaches are very underrated.

Belichick hasn’t done dick since Brady left. And yet Brady won another ring.

So many questions would have to be answered in order to give an answer to these questions. Who is making the hiring decisions. Who is making the draft picks. Etc etc. it goes on and on, and that is why making changes slowly works for the Steelers.

Give Tomlin an offensive genius and who knows what will happen. Is it really Tomlin being a wet blanket? Wasn’t Rooney involved in bringing Arians in for Ben…it goes on and on.

The sky is still blue. Just don’t engage in the debate about Tomlin. I thought the not starting KP was stupid. But does he need to be fired? You could get rid of Tomlin and make it a successful transition. You could also make some changes in the organization and be successful with Tomlin. It is hard to win championships! Especially hard to do it consistently!
Yes, this is usually how I think about things too.
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Post by LakecrestSteeler » Mon Oct 03, 2022 2:34 am

El Kabong wrote:
Mon Oct 03, 2022 2:25 am
LakecrestSteeler wrote:
Sun Oct 02, 2022 10:41 pm
El Kabong wrote:
Sun Oct 02, 2022 10:24 pm


No, I think it's fair given where we're at now.
It is a very nuanced decision Kabong. You don’t go this many years without a losing season without being a great coach.

There are more people involved with this equation than just Tomlin.

Talent and coaches are very underrated.

Belichick hasn’t done dick since Brady left. And yet Brady won another ring.

So many questions would have to be answered in order to give an answer to these questions. Who is making the hiring decisions. Who is making the draft picks. Etc etc. it goes on and on, and that is why making changes slowly works for the Steelers.

Give Tomlin an offensive genius and who knows what will happen. Is it really Tomlin being a wet blanket? Wasn’t Rooney involved in bringing Arians in for Ben…it goes on and on.

The sky is still blue. Just don’t engage in the debate about Tomlin. I thought the not starting KP was stupid. But does he need to be fired? You could get rid of Tomlin and make it a successful transition. You could also make some changes in the organization and be successful with Tomlin. It is hard to win championships! Especially hard to do it consistently!
Yes, this is usually how I think about things too.
He does seem to suck at picking lieutenants though. Are these all him or are they Colbert/Khan Rooney recommendations! Some have been forced on him and some must be him, some have died and some just look good because of the talent.

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Post by El Kabong » Mon Oct 03, 2022 3:01 am

LakecrestSteeler wrote:
Mon Oct 03, 2022 2:34 am
El Kabong wrote:
Mon Oct 03, 2022 2:25 am
LakecrestSteeler wrote:
Sun Oct 02, 2022 10:41 pm


It is a very nuanced decision Kabong. You don’t go this many years without a losing season without being a great coach.

There are more people involved with this equation than just Tomlin.

Talent and coaches are very underrated.

Belichick hasn’t done dick since Brady left. And yet Brady won another ring.

So many questions would have to be answered in order to give an answer to these questions. Who is making the hiring decisions. Who is making the draft picks. Etc etc. it goes on and on, and that is why making changes slowly works for the Steelers.

Give Tomlin an offensive genius and who knows what will happen. Is it really Tomlin being a wet blanket? Wasn’t Rooney involved in bringing Arians in for Ben…it goes on and on.

The sky is still blue. Just don’t engage in the debate about Tomlin. I thought the not starting KP was stupid. But does he need to be fired? You could get rid of Tomlin and make it a successful transition. You could also make some changes in the organization and be successful with Tomlin. It is hard to win championships! Especially hard to do it consistently!
Yes, this is usually how I think about things too.
He does seem to suck at picking lieutenants though. Are these all him or are they Colbert/Khan Rooney recommendations! Some have been forced on him and some must be him, some have died and some just look good because of the talent.
I assume Tomlin's been hiring his coordinators with the exception of his wanting to keep Arians and having Arians "retired" out from under him.
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Post by anpsteel » Mon Oct 03, 2022 10:40 am

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10 days off and this is what you bring to the table. Bad move letting Harvin punt
Yeah, but if Berry comes in and out-performs his wonder boy Harvin, then Tomlin has to justify A. his roster selection and B. the drafting of a punter.

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Post by Orangesteel » Mon Oct 03, 2022 3:39 pm

Tomlin’s coaching tree is as bare as a maple in December.

If there is anyone that doesn’t think that matters in the modern NFL…I don’t know what to tell you. He is stupid and he surrounds himself with stupid. We are hamstrung every week before the football is being placed on the kicking tee.
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Post by Deebo » Mon Oct 03, 2022 3:42 pm

Orangesteel wrote:
Mon Oct 03, 2022 3:39 pm
Tomlin’s coaching tree is as bare as a maple in December.

If there is anyone that doesn’t think that matters in the modern NFL…I don’t know what to tell you. He is stupid and he surrounds himself with stupid. We are hamstrung every week before the football is being placed on the kicking tee.
15 years as HC

That's literally unprecedented that no coach he's groomed has been even asked to be a HC elsewhere.

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Post by Orangesteel » Mon Oct 03, 2022 3:43 pm

Deebo wrote:
Mon Oct 03, 2022 3:42 pm
Orangesteel wrote:
Mon Oct 03, 2022 3:39 pm
Tomlin’s coaching tree is as bare as a maple in December.

If there is anyone that doesn’t think that matters in the modern NFL…I don’t know what to tell you. He is stupid and he surrounds himself with stupid. We are hamstrung every week before the football is being placed on the kicking tee.
15 years as HC

That's literally unprecedented that no coach he's groomed has been even asked to be a HC elsewhere.
Yep. And very few are even in the league on other staffs as positional coaches, etc.
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Post by jebrick » Mon Oct 03, 2022 4:00 pm

steelmann58 wrote:
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the OL was terrible with pass blocking. but really how many illegal Lineman down field penalties
I think that penalty is a "point of interest" for the crews. I saw that called in every game I watched.
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Post by LakecrestSteeler » Mon Oct 03, 2022 4:18 pm

jebrick wrote:
Mon Oct 03, 2022 4:00 pm
steelmann58 wrote:
Sun Oct 02, 2022 11:45 pm
the OL was terrible with pass blocking. but really how many illegal Lineman down field penalties
I think that penalty is a "point of interest" for the crews. I saw that called in every game I watched.
Yep. Concur! Must be a trying to establish a dividing line between college and NFL with the RPOs.

Maybe it is a counter balance to the known emphasis on illegal contact?
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Post by Jobu » Mon Oct 03, 2022 5:15 pm

anpsteel wrote:
Mon Oct 03, 2022 10:40 am
steelmann58 wrote:
Sun Oct 02, 2022 10:19 pm
10 days off and this is what you bring to the table. Bad move letting Harvin punt
Yeah, but if Berry comes in and out-performs his wonder boy Harvin, then Tomlin has to justify A. his roster selection and B. the drafting of a punter.
Ehh, I’m not so sure about that. One could make the argument that Berry outperformed Harvin in the 2021 preseason, and certainly Waitman outperformed Harvin when he replaced him for a few games. Yet here we are.
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