would you trade ben

[autopilot]

What if rudolph develops and growns into the season, would you consider trading ben or sit rudolph next season?. Sadly chicago doesnt have a 1st round pick, and if minshew plays good foles will be on the trade block

[El Kabong]

No, I would not trade Ben or Mason. They can learn to coexist for a couple of years until Ben retires.

[K_C_]

I would have considered trading Ben had he had the Tommy John surgery, because at his age, he likely isn't long for the league after that kind of procedure.

But he'll be back starting under center next season, so no. Wouldn't trade him.

[Orangesteel]

Can someone please explain to me the latest on Ben? So he doesn’t need surgery? Or he doesn’t need the Tommy John surgery that everyone suspected? This is all very confusing.

[K_C_]

Can someone please explain to me the latest on Ben? So he doesn’t need surgery? Or he doesn’t need the Tommy John surgery that everyone suspected? This is all very confusing.

Schefter reported that while the injury is still unclear, Ben does not need Tommy John surgery and should be ready for camp next fall.

[Orangesteel]

Can someone please explain to me the latest on Ben? So he doesn’t need surgery? Or he doesn’t need the Tommy John surgery that everyone suspected? This is all very confusing.

Schefter reported that while the injury is still unclear, Ben does not need Tommy John surgery and should be ready for camp next fall.

So he doesn’t need any surgery? Or just doesn’t need TJ surgery?

[stillthere]

What I heard on the TV sunday was that it was a muscle that was getting worked on and not the ligaments and or tendons. So it is not tommy john surgery and he will be able to throw by the spring.

[Orangesteel]

All I know is this; if the Steelers legitimately rated MR as a first round talent (haha) then there is no reason he cannot be as successful as Lamar Jackson is in BAL. Jackson is now 8-2 as a starter since replacing Eyebrow Joe, and the only two regular season losses have come while playing at Arrowhead against the Chiefs.

Jackson has great running ability but mediocre accuracy with his arm. That all said, we tip our cap to the Ravens coaching staff because what they are doing with Jackson under center is brilliant. Their offense looks formidable and it has everything to do with scheme, coaching and play design. Once again, the Ravens coaching staff is running fucking circles around ours.

[Orangesteel]

What I heard on the TV sunday was that it was a muscle that was getting worked on and not the ligaments and or tendons. So it is not tommy john surgery and he will be able to throw by the spring.

Interesting. But I’m still confused, so does “getting worked on” mean some kind of surgery, or just that he can’t throw a football for 6 months?

[K_C_]

This is the latest info as far as I've heard.

https://www.wtae.com/article/espn-ben-r ... y/29176851

[SteelerZen]

What would we trade him for? Given what they’ve traded veterans for in the past, not sure we’d get adequate compensation give the current brain trust. And Mason has a lot to prove yet.

[Jobu]

So yes to surgery...just not TJ surgery.

[franco32]

I wouldn't trade Ben. I think he's got another year or two left, and this is coming from a guy who like Mason Rudolph.

BTW, a lot of people are harsh on Mason this morning. Already wanna give up on the kid. I think it is too early. He's trying to QB with a terrible game plan, no play action, no running game...and yesterday even the pass protection was poor. With all of that, he still gave us the lead late in the game...twice on the road against a very good D. I can't be too unhappy with that.

Let's give him more time to get in sync with the receivers and see what happens. But, the Oline has to play better and the coaching staff have to have a better plan than they had today.

[Kodiak]

I'm praying Ben has a year or two left, because I don't think MR will be the future, at all. None of that matters, though, with Mike Tomlin coaching this team.

Best case scenario is MR has a decent year and some team is dumb enough to throw picks at us (like with a Cassell or Garapolo). If he's not great this year, he won't become great and his upside would probably fall somewhere between Mike Tomczak and Andy Dalton.

[K_C_]

I'm praying Ben has a year or two left, because I don't think MR will be the future, at all. None of that matters, though, with Mike Tomlin coaching this team.

Best case scenario is MR has a decent year and some team is dumb enough to throw picks at us (like with a Cassell or Garapolo). If he's not great this year, he won't become great and his upside would probably fall somewhere between Mike Tomczak and Andy Dalton.

I think Rudolph will prove a bunch of people wrong, provided we allow the fucking kid to run an actual offense.

In the first half, all of his throws were at or near the line of scrimmage. Even the announcers were in full on; "WTF" mode.

In the second half, when they allowed Mason to open it up a little, he played much better. Much better.

[K_C_]

One other thing.

If we had any semblance of a defense and James Conner wasn't a FUCKING MORON, Mason would be 2-0 in games he appeared this year.

[franco32]

Imagine if Terry Bradshaw played in today's day and age. Fans would run him out of the league in less than half a season. Sometimes you just have to give a young QB a little time before making a final judgement on them.

Mason is capable but everyone has to do their job. In NE, everyone on that offense does their job...if they didn't, Tommy boy wouldn't look very good at all. Give Mason time and he can deliver a laser like he did to Juju that went all the way. Give him time and he can totally fake out the safety and hit the deep ball (the way he did to Johnson late in the game...freezing the safety and beating the corner over the top).

[LakecrestSteeler]

I wouldn't trade Ben. I think he's got another year or two left, and this is coming from a guy who like Mason Rudolph.

BTW, a lot of people are harsh on Mason this morning. Already wanna give up on the kid. I think it is too early. He's trying to QB with a terrible game plan, no play action, no running game...and yesterday even the pass protection was poor. With all of that, he still gave us the lead late in the game...twice on the road against a very good D. I can't be too unhappy with that.

Let's give him more time to get in sync with the receivers and see what happens. But, the Oline has to play better and the coaching staff have to have a better plan than they had today.

Franco, for me, my harshness is born out of not knowing how to separate his current talents plus what our brain trust can inject into him. It is that simple. Especially with no QB coach. I am calling him a bust. Put him in NE with Belichick and he might be just like TB. Not here! Not with everything tailored to Ben. Not with AB, Bell, and Munchak gone! Not with Fitchner and no QB coach! Not with Tomlin.

I still believe Tomlin is second best coach in the league, but he is where Cowher was in his last year minus unearthing a HOF QB. He has lost his heart, energy, and zeal. Also something is broken with talent evaluation too; Tombert.

If you run any organization of this size, you can’t gut the whole thing and expect stability, but Mason will not be the answer, and Tomlin needs to go. Mason was born prematurely and the neonatal unit doesn’t have an incubator. He will be lost to history.

Fire Tomlin. Keep Fitch. Fire Butler. Tell Colbert he has 3 years left. Let new Head Coach pick DC and a few others. Add QB coach. Let Big Ben shepherd the team through the change. Get the incubator for the neonatal unit and draft best QB possible in 2021.

[StillerInCT]

Imagine if Terry Bradshaw played in today's day and age. Fans would run him out of the league in less than half a season. Sometimes you just have to give a young QB a little time before making a final judgement on them.

Mason is capable but everyone has to do their job. In NE, everyone on that offense does their job...if they didn't, Tommy boy wouldn't look very good at all. Give Mason time and he can deliver a laser like he did to Juju that went all the way. Give him time and he can totally fake out the safety and hit the deep ball (the way he did to Johnson late in the game...freezing the safety and beating the corner over the top).

Yeah, a lot of conclusions being made on 6 quarters of football. Not saying he's going to be the answer, but I'm going to at least give him a fair assessment after he's had time to get acclimated. It's not like he stepped into a great situation considering the running game was non-existent, the offensive line was offensive, our WR group is inexperienced (1 vet, 1 FY starter, and a rookie), and we usually shit the bed when heading west. I thought he did ok all things considered. His performance could have been A LOT worse.

[Orangesteel]

I wouldn't trade Ben. I think he's got another year or two left, and this is coming from a guy who like Mason Rudolph.

BTW, a lot of people are harsh on Mason this morning. Already wanna give up on the kid. I think it is too early. He's trying to QB with a terrible game plan, no play action, no running game...and yesterday even the pass protection was poor. With all of that, he still gave us the lead late in the game...twice on the road against a very good D. I can't be too unhappy with that.

Let's give him more time to get in sync with the receivers and see what happens. But, the Oline has to play better and the coaching staff have to have a better plan than they had today.

Franco, for me, my harshness is born out of not knowing how to separate his current talents plus what our brain trust can inject into him. It is that simple. Especially with no QB coach. I am calling him a bust. Put him in NE with Belichick and he might be just like TB. Not here! Not with everything tailored to Ben. Not with AB, Bell, and Munchak gone! Not with Fitchner and no QB coach! Not with Tomlin.

I still believe Tomlin is second best coach in the league, but he is where Cowher was in his last year minus unearthing a HOF QB. He has lost his heart, energy, and zeal. Also something is broken with talent evaluation too; Tombert.

If you run any organization of this size, you can’t gut the whole thing and expect stability, but Mason will not be the answer, and Tomlin needs to go. Mason was born prematurely and the neonatal unit doesn’t have an incubator. He will be lost to history.

Fire Tomlin. Keep Fitch. Fire Butler. Tell Colbert he has 3 years left. Let new Head Coach pick DC and a few others. Add QB coach. Let Big Ben shepherd the team through the change. Get the incubator for the neonatal unit and draft best QB possible in 2021.

You believe Tomlin is the second best coach in the league? Are you kidding?

[Kodiak]

I think Rudolph will prove a bunch of people wrong

I completely agree. But it's different people than you're thinking of.

[K_C_]

Anybody believing Dumblin is the second best coach in the league needs mental help.

....and fast.

[K_C_]

I think Rudolph will prove a bunch of people wrong

I completely agree. But it's different people than you're thinking of.

That's cool, we'll see what happens.

When he was allowed to go downfield, he was much better.

Should have been a winner in both of the games he's played in this year and the offense looked better with Rudolph than it did with Ben.

What I love the most today is that folks are realizing the first half offensive struggles were on Dumblin and Bitchner. They didn't allow the kid to throw the goddamn ball downfield.

Once they did, he made plays.

[StillerInCT]

I wouldn't trade Ben. I think he's got another year or two left, and this is coming from a guy who like Mason Rudolph.

BTW, a lot of people are harsh on Mason this morning. Already wanna give up on the kid. I think it is too early. He's trying to QB with a terrible game plan, no play action, no running game...and yesterday even the pass protection was poor. With all of that, he still gave us the lead late in the game...twice on the road against a very good D. I can't be too unhappy with that.

Let's give him more time to get in sync with the receivers and see what happens. But, the Oline has to play better and the coaching staff have to have a better plan than they had today.

I still believe Tomlin is second best coach in the league, but he is where Cowher was in his last year minus unearthing a HOF QB. He has lost his heart, energy, and zeal. Also something is broken with talent evaluation too; Tombert.

2nd best in the league!? He's not even the best in the AFC North. Harbaugh has done far more with less than Mike Tomlin has in recent history. This is a guy that won a SB with Joe Flacco and along the way went into Gillette and beat the Patriots in the AFCCG. Then last year, he changes his entire offense midseason and turns it over to a raw, rookie QB and wins the division. Harbaugh might be the 2nd best coach in the league depending on what you think of Andy Reid.

Mike Tomlin on the other hand hasn't been able to re-build a defense with an eye-opening amount of resources spent on that side of the ball. He squandered years of having 3 HOF level talents on offense. Still hasn't figured out how to win on the west coast. Decides that it's better to stick with Josh Dobbs in a close game rather than going back to his medically cleared HOF Quarterback and loses a game that ultimately cost us a playoff spot. And let's not dismiss the fact that he lost the locker room last season.

[LakecrestSteeler]

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You believe Tomlin is the second best coach in the league? Are you kidding?
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Anybody believing Dumblin is the second best coach in the league needs mental help.

....and fast.

KC tone down the hyperbole a notch or two. Let me amend my statement.

If he were to have retired at the end of the season last year, he would be seen as the second best coach of this era. And currently, I would put good money that not many other coaches could negotiate the loss of the 8,000 yards of offensive production over the last 2 years. It is not all Tomlin....lot of organizational blame too.

[Jobu]

I wouldn’t rank Aviators in the top 15 right now.

[StillerInCT]

I wouldn’t rank Aviators in the top 15 right now.

And if you could it's because there just aren't many good coaches in the league. Now that he actually has to coach and scheme his way to wins we'll get to see just how much he was carried by Ben, Brown, and Bell.

[LakecrestSteeler]

I wouldn't trade Ben. I think he's got another year or two left, and this is coming from a guy who like Mason Rudolph.

BTW, a lot of people are harsh on Mason this morning. Already wanna give up on the kid. I think it is too early. He's trying to QB with a terrible game plan, no play action, no running game...and yesterday even the pass protection was poor. With all of that, he still gave us the lead late in the game...twice on the road against a very good D. I can't be too unhappy with that.

Let's give him more time to get in sync with the receivers and see what happens. But, the Oline has to play better and the coaching staff have to have a better plan than they had today.

I still believe Tomlin is second best coach in the league, but he is where Cowher was in his last year minus unearthing a HOF QB. He has lost his heart, energy, and zeal. Also something is broken with talent evaluation too; Tombert.

2nd best in the league!? He's not even the best in the AFC North. Harbaugh has done far more with less than Mike Tomlin has in recent history. This is a guy that won a SB with Joe Flacco and along the way went into Gillette and beat the Patriots in the AFCCG. Then last year, he changes his entire offense midseason and turns it over to a raw, rookie QB and wins the division. Harbaugh might be the 2nd best coach in the league depending on what you think of Andy Reid.

Mike Tomlin on the other hand hasn't been able to re-build a defense with an eye-opening amount of resources spent on that side of the ball. He squandered years of having 3 HOF level talents on offense. Still hasn't figured out how to win on the west coast. Decides that it's better to stick with Josh Dobbs in a close game rather than going back to his medically cleared HOF Quarterback and loses a game that ultimately cost us a playoff spot. And let's not dismiss the fact that he lost the locker room last season.

See my amended statement above. Andy Reid is fat Mike Tomlin. Talk to some Philadelphians.

As far as Harbaugh goes, can’t argue that. But then the argument spins out of control, because it devolves into how much more difficult the AFC North is than the AFC East, which then bolsters Tomlin(Tomlinson.....Dear Apple, Fix your fucking spell check!) win percentage versus Belichick’s 6 gifts per year every year.

[K_C_]

Oh, it wasn't hyperbole in the least.

Dumblin does virtually nothing well. Explain specifically what the guy does that is elite.

Dumblin showed up as some kind of "secondary whiperer". Once Lebeau handed down the defense to Dumblin and Butler, the weakest part of the defense has been the secondary. Dumblin also fell in love with Terrell Edmunds and had to have him. Edmunds might be the worst strong safety in the league.

Dumblin is an imbecile. An empty suit who inherited a great defense (and a legendary defensive coordinator) along with a franchise QB coming off a Super Bowl win only 2 years previously and entering his prime.

Yes, folks who don't understand all things Pittsburgh Steelers probably believe Dumblin to be elite.

Those folks are clueless. Anybody who follows the Steelers and believes Dumblin to be elite.....OMG. They might be beyond help.

[StillerInCT]

I still believe Tomlin is second best coach in the league, but he is where Cowher was in his last year minus unearthing a HOF QB. He has lost his heart, energy, and zeal. Also something is broken with talent evaluation too; Tombert.

2nd best in the league!? He's not even the best in the AFC North. Harbaugh has done far more with less than Mike Tomlin has in recent history. This is a guy that won a SB with Joe Flacco and along the way went into Gillette and beat the Patriots in the AFCCG. Then last year, he changes his entire offense midseason and turns it over to a raw, rookie QB and wins the division. Harbaugh might be the 2nd best coach in the league depending on what you think of Andy Reid.

Mike Tomlin on the other hand hasn't been able to re-build a defense with an eye-opening amount of resources spent on that side of the ball. He squandered years of having 3 HOF level talents on offense. Still hasn't figured out how to win on the west coast. Decides that it's better to stick with Josh Dobbs in a close game rather than going back to his medically cleared HOF Quarterback and loses a game that ultimately cost us a playoff spot. And let's not dismiss the fact that he lost the locker room last season.

See my amended statement above. Andy Reid is fat Mike Tomlin. Talk to some Philadelphians.

As far as Harbaugh goes, can’t argue that. But then the argument spins out of control, because it devolves into how much more difficult the AFC North is than the AFC East, which then bolsters Tomlin(Tomlinson.....Dear Apple, Fix your fucking spell check!) win percentage versus Belichick’s 6 gifts per year every year.

Yeah the AFC East is a joke. No doubt that division has contributed mightily to the Pats dynasty. 6 insta-wins a year basically means you need to find 5-6 more wins along the way to get HFA in the playoffs. Consider you have mandatory games against 2 other divisions and get to play their worst teams so that's another 2-4 wins.