We're a running team. If Bell is stymied, we lose.

[Legacy User]

Tampa did a great job of shutting down the run and it kept the offense from being able to close out the game.
Even with Ben thrwoing 300 plus for 3 TDs, Bell was stymied. Consider:

Vs. Browns W: Bell 109 yards 21 carries
Vs. Ravens L: Bell 59 yards 11 carries.
Vs. Panthers W: Bell 147 yards 21 carries.
Vs. Tampa L: Bell 63 yards 19 carries.

Anyone see pattern?

I'm not advocating taking the game out of Ben's hands, but clearly the offense succeeds when Bell succeeds.

[K_C_]

Not putting this on Bell not being dominant.

Putting this on the defense and the coaching staff being a bunch of yeasty pussies.

[Stillchest]

Yes, I do see a pattern.

Good point.

The Bucs are a fundamentally sound tackling team, pretty disciplined at gap responsibility.

The opposite of the Steelers.

[JJT07]

We scored enough to win.

[Legacy User]

Not putting this on Bell not being dominant.

Putting this on the defense and the coaching staff being a bunch of yeasty pussies.

But you DO see my point? The offense couldn't close. We had to pass pass pass. Of course at the end when we tured to run run, the o line got bitch slapped and Wing punted the ball 15 yards. But for the O to dominate, we see the pattern. Bell has got to get his yards. Maybe you could say this for any team. I don't know.

[FortyThree]

Correlation does not equal causation.

[K_C_]

Not putting this on Bell not being dominant.

Putting this on the defense and the coaching staff being a bunch of yeasty pussies.

But you DO see my point? The offense couldn't close. We had to pass pass pass. Of course at the end when we tured to run run, the o line got bitch slapped and Wing punted the ball 15 yards. But for the O to dominate, we see the pattern. Bell has got to get his yards.

We didn't even ask Le'Veon Bell to RUN at the end of the game. We asked him to "run around and waste time."

He didn't even look to go forward.

Before that, both Bell and Blount did fine.

The passing yards were there.

Today was a day we should have murdered them thru the air.

[Legacy User]

Correlation does not equal causation.

Thanks for saying nothing.

[Kodiak]

Not exactly. Ben has very little around him to carry the team. He doesn't have a good defense. He doesn't have a good OL. He has two studs in Brown and Bell and that's it (not to mention shitty coaching).

Nobody carries a team all by himself. If he doesn't have the pass pro or defense, he's at least got to have a running game.

Ben is a great QB. Absolutely HOFer in my view. But he's not Jesus (whom would probably nail himself to the cross if he was subjected to this shit show).

[Legacy User]

We scored enough to win.

Nope.

This team has to score 30+ to have a shot at winning.

If we score less than 30, we lose.

[Legacy User]

Not exactly. Ben has very little around him to carry the team. He doesn't have a good defense. He doesn't have a good OL. He has two studs in Brown and Bell and that's it (not to mention shitty coaching).

Nobody carries a team all by himself. If he doesn't have the pass pro or defense, he's at least got to have a running game.

Ben is a great QB. Absolutely HOFer in my view. But he's not Jesus (whom would probably nail himself to the cross if he was subjected to this shit show).

Bell stirs the drink. He makes the offense go and opens everything else up.

[Kodiak]

Bell stirs the drink. He makes the offense go and opens everything else up.

Basically, yes. Ben doesn't have the receivers or pass pro to do it without a running game. No QB could.

[FortyThree]

Correlation does not equal causation.

Thanks for saying nothing.

You posited that Bell not having a great game is the reason the Steelers lost and offered up some evidence to prove that.

In 5 words I refuted that argument. That's hardly saying nothing.

But if you want me to elaborate sure...

Just because there appears to be a pattern, you cannot immediately assume that one causes the other. Perhaps Bell plays well in games that the Steelers win because the entire team is playing well and that helps Bell have good games?

[Legacy User]

Not exactly. Ben has very little around him to carry the team. He doesn't have a good defense. He doesn't have a good OL. He has two studs in Brown and Bell and that's it (not to mention shitty coaching).

Nobody carries a team all by himself. If he doesn't have the pass pro or defense, he's at least got to have a running game.

Ben is a great QB. Absolutely HOFer in my view. But he's not Jesus (whom would probably nail himself to the cross if he was subjected to this shit show).

Agreed.

[Legacy User]

Correlation does not equal causation.

Thanks for saying nothing.

You posited that Bell not having a great game is the reason the Steelers lost and offered up some evidence to prove that.

In 5 words I refuted that argument. That's hardly saying nothing.

But if you want me to elaborate sure...

Just because there appears to be a pattern, you cannot immediately assume that one causes the other. Perhaps Bell plays well in games that the Steelers win because the entire team is playing well and that helps Bell have good games?

I know what correlation is. I know what causation is. You didn't refute anything you turd. If you think you did you're a moron. I offered my take on what gets this current team wins. All you said is that the concurrence of two states or events does not mean that one causes the other. You didn't do anything to show that I am in fact wrong in my supposition. You just offered a vapid comment about an epistemic rule concerning our perception of events.

So you didn't refute shit. Now how do you feel, you dumb fuck?

[FortyThree]

I know what correlation is. I know what causation is. You didn't refute anything you turd. If you think you did you're a moron. I offered my take on what gets this current team wins. All you said is that the concurrence of two states or events does not mean that one causes the other. You didn't do anything to show that I am in fact wrong in my supposition. You just offered a vapid comment about an epistemic rule concerning our perception of events.

So you didn't refute shit. Now how do you feel, you dumb fuck?

Someone is upset that people disagree with their take. That's pretty sad.

I assume the "Lit" part in your name refers to being hammered.

[Steelperch]

Tampa did a great job of shutting down the run and it kept the offense from being able to close out the game.
Even with Ben thrwoing 300 plus for 3 TDs, Bell was stymied. Consider:

Vs. Browns W: Bell 109 yards 21 carries
Vs. Ravens L: Bell 59 yards 11 carries.
Vs. Panthers W: Bell 147 yards 21 carries.
Vs. Tampa L: Bell 63 yards 19 carries.

Anyone see pattern?

I'm not advocating taking the game out of Ben's hands, but clearly the offense succeeds when Bell succeeds.

Does anyone watch the other side of the ball? 24 points vs one of the worst offenses in the NFL should have been enough to win. Bell had over 100 all-purpose yards today. The offense moved the ball well. The defense was atrocious in the 2nd half. Would you have made this post if Antonio Brown caught the flea flicker and the team won the game?

[Legacy User]

I know what correlation is. I know what causation is. You didn't refute anything you turd. If you think you did you're a moron. I offered my take on what gets this current team wins. All you said is that the concurrence of two states or events does not mean that one causes the other. You didn't do anything to show that I am in fact wrong in my supposition. You just offered a vapid comment about an epistemic rule concerning our perception of events.

So you didn't refute shit. Now how do you feel, you dumb fuck?

Someone is upset that people disagree with their take. That's pretty sad.

I assume the "Lit" part in your name refers to being hammered.

Says the guy that just got thrashed. And look, you still haven't refuted anything. More matter, less art.

is 43 your IQ? You haven't even disagreed b/c you haven't shown that I'm wrong. You've just pointed out that a general rule about the concurrence of events. I'd add a smiley face, but then I don't need to save face for saying dumb shit.

[Legacy User]

Tampa did a great job of shutting down the run and it kept the offense from being able to close out the game.
Even with Ben thrwoing 300 plus for 3 TDs, Bell was stymied. Consider:

Vs. Browns W: Bell 109 yards 21 carries
Vs. Ravens L: Bell 59 yards 11 carries.
Vs. Panthers W: Bell 147 yards 21 carries.
Vs. Tampa L: Bell 63 yards 19 carries.

Anyone see pattern?

I'm not advocating taking the game out of Ben's hands, but clearly the offense succeeds when Bell succeeds.

Does anyone watch the other side of the ball? 24 points vs one of the worst offenses in the NFL should have been enough to win. Bell had over 100 all-purpose yards today. The offense moved the ball well. The defense was atrocious in the 2nd half. Would you have made this post if Antonio Brown caught the flea flicker and the team won the game?

The D played terribly. No doubt.

You would think 300 yards in the air and 3 TDs against Tampa would do it. I don't deny it.

Still, when the team can run well, it looks like they can close games. We'll see if the pattern holds.

[FortyThree]

I know what correlation is. I know what causation is. You didn't refute anything you turd. If you think you did you're a moron. I offered my take on what gets this current team wins. All you said is that the concurrence of two states or events does not mean that one causes the other. You didn't do anything to show that I am in fact wrong in my supposition. You just offered a vapid comment about an epistemic rule concerning our perception of events.

So you didn't refute shit. Now how do you feel, you dumb fuck?

Someone is upset that people disagree with their take. That's pretty sad.

I assume the "Lit" part in your name refers to being hammered.

Says the guy that just got thrashed. And look, you still haven't refuted anything. More matter, less art.

The next time you make a great post will be the first. You can continue to cry about someone disagreeing with your take that's fine. I'm not going to get into a dick measuring contest about who "thrashed" who on an internet message board. Clearly you're at a place in your life where that matters. I'm sorry.

[bradshaw2ben]

I see a pattern: the Steelers defense has collapsed in the second half of 3 of 4 games, and actually wasn't all that stellar in the 2nd half of the 4th game.

[Legacy User]

The next time you make a great post will be the first. You can continue to cry about someone disagreeing with your take that's fine. I'm not going to get into a dick measuring contest about who "thrashed" who on an internet message board. Clearly you're at a place in your life where that matters. I'm sorry.

And yet you posted this post. Ironic. Toodles, paper boy.

[Orangesteel]

So in other words, the steelers defense is fucking atrocious?

I agree. We be in trouble.

[Legacy User]

We didn't even ask Le'Veon Bell to RUN at the end of the game. We asked him to "run around and waste time."
.

You keep saying this. Do you have some kind of proof of this? Or is this your distorted way of saying the handoff didn't work?

As for OP. I've thought the same thing. Without Bell breaking off long gainers this year we're likely 0-4.

Another reason why I'm disappointed in QB performance. After 4 games, this isn't even Ben's offense. Its Leveon Bells offense

[Legacy User]

I see a pattern: the Steelers defense has collapsed in the second half of 3 of 4 games, and actually wasn't all that stellar in the 2nd half of the 4th game.

Look, we all knew the defense was going to suck and that the offense was going to have to carry the team this season. I think the offense can, but I am suggesting that running game has got to be going for the offense to do it.

[Legacy User]

I see a pattern: the Steelers defense has collapsed in the second half of 3 of 4 games, and actually wasn't all that stellar in the 2nd half of the 4th game.

To be fair, in those same 3 games Steeler offense has a combined 13 points

Apparently you think the identity of this team is defense. To me, its offense

[K_C_]

We didn't even ask Le'Veon Bell to RUN at the end of the game. We asked him to "run around and waste time."
.

You keep saying this. Do you have some kind of proof of this? Or is this your distorted way of saying the handoff didn't work?

As for OP. I've thought the same thing. Without Bell breaking off long gainers this year we're likely 0-4.

Another reason why I'm disappointed in QB performance. After 4 games, this isn't even Ben's offense. Its Leveon Bells offense

Um.....you didn't watch the game today, did you?

You missed where Bell DIDN'T EVEN RUN FORWARD?

He ran sideways and just tried to waste time.

This isn't my opinion.

It's reality to anyone with a working brain.

[Legacy User]

Um.....you didn't watch the game today, did you?

You missed where Bell DIDN'T EVEN RUN FORWARD?

He ran sideways and just tried to waste time.

This isn't my opinion.

It's reality to anyone with a working brain.

he had nowhere to run but sideways.

Nice try but I doubt they asked him to run around for 40 seconds

that was a fucked if you do fucked if you don't playcall

[swissvale72]

Tampa did a great job of shutting down the run and it kept the offense from being able to close out the game.
Even with Ben thrwoing 300 plus for 3 TDs, Bell was stymied. Consider:

Vs. Browns W: Bell 109 yards 21 carries
Vs. Ravens L: Bell 59 yards 11 carries.
Vs. Panthers W: Bell 147 yards 21 carries.
Vs. Tampa L: Bell 63 yards 19 carries.

Anyone see pattern?

I'm not advocating taking the game out of Ben's hands, but clearly the offense succeeds when Bell succeeds.

Does anyone watch the other side of the ball? 24 points vs one of the worst offenses in the NFL should have been enough to win. Bell had over 100 all-purpose yards today. The offense moved the ball well. The defense was atrocious in the 2nd half. Would you have made this post if Antonio Brown caught the flea flicker and the team won the game?

Exactly right, Perch. I posted at halftime that the 17 points we had on the board would be enough to win the game. Obviously, I was wrong.

And as for AB....this is why I'll still opt for Santonio Holmes insofar as Steeler receivers, historically, that I want on the field with the game on the line. He's awesome, sure....but game on the line, he's either dropping a pass that's in both of his hands that will seal the game, or inexplicably stepping the fuck out of bounds with the nothing in front of him but goal line.

[Legacy User]

Apparently you think the identity of this team is defense. To me, its offense

The identity of this team is horrific coaching and undisciplined play. Period. End of story.