Creed vs Muuuuuuth

[Jizz Mop]

Could have had him and solidified center position for years

4. Creed Humphrey, C, Kansas City Chiefs

Stats: 17 starts, 97.7% pass block win rate
Drafted: No. 63 overall

Like the first three players on this list, Humphrey wasn't just good for a rookie; he was playing at an All-Pro level for much of the season. He was the biggest value pick among this year's top 10 rookies after checking in as the second-to-last selection of the second round last April. Humphrey's movement skills, recognition and composure are evident throughout the game tape, and he is exactly what a long-term solution looks like at the position. His 97.7% pass block win rate was No. 1 in the entire NFL, and his 98.2% pass block win rate when facing double-teams was sixth.

Just missed


Nate Hobbs, CB, Las Vegas Raiders: Hobbs' next step will be to turn the high-quality snaps he consistently showed as a slot corner (74 tackles) into more ball production. He finished the season with one interception and three passes defended.


DeVonta Smith, WR, Philadelphia Eagles: Smith closed out the year with 64 receptions, 916 receiving yards and five touchdowns in an offense that had the fewest pass attempts in the league (29.1 per game). And 67% of Smith's receptions this season resulted in a first down.


Javonte Williams, RB, Denver Broncos: He had more than 17 carries in just one game this season and still finished with 903 rushing yards to go with his 43 receptions. Williams was second among league rookies in rushing.


Christian Barmore, DT, New England Patriots: Barmore injured his right knee in the regular-season finale against the Dolphins but was consistently explosive and disruptive on the inside. His seven quarterback knockdowns were second on the team to Matthew Judon.


Najee Harris, RB, Pittsburgh Steelers: Harris finished a busy rookie season with 1,200 rushing yards (tops among rookies) and 74 receptions (second on the Steelers). His 381 touches as a runner and receiver led the league's running backs, and he was one of just two running backs in the league to top 300 carries for the year.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/330 ... nly-one-qb

[lifelongsteel]

You could be right . . .

But since we haven't had a league avg caliber TE since Heath i'm not losing sleep over this pick

This isn't passing on Marino. This is drafting one of the top TEs instead of one of the top centers in a year where you need both.

[langer]

I believe it used to be you didn't subject a rookie RB to a full year of abuse.

[Jizz Mop]

You could be right . . .

But since we haven't had a league avg caliber TE since Heath i'm not losing sleep over this pick

This isn't passing on Marino. This is drafting one of the top TEs instead of one of the top centers in a year where you need both.

Muth is good. I don’t see elite.

Creed is an elite center

Swing and miss

Most of the problems along the Oline this year were “centered” around Green

[Kodiak.]

The major flaw in this premise is that KC Creed and PIT Creed would be the same player...

[Jizz Mop]

I believe it used to be you didn't subject a rookie RB to a full year of abuse.

Think I read somewhere that he led the league in terms of getting hit sooner than any RB in the league

Something like 1.7 yards before Initial contact…..seemed like less than that

Can’t remember

[Rod & Wire Mill]

Sad they missed in rolling the dice on Greene. I really like Muth and he contributed well, but hind and foresight Creed would have been the better pick for both Ben and Najee and that’s just for this year, not counting the future. Just too bad Greene dream didn’t come true. Would have been a good two-fer.

[Jizz Mop]

The major flaw in this premise is that KC Creed and PIT Creed would be the same player...

In terms of scheme and coaching? Perhaps. Still a great player. And a player/position of serious need.

[bradshaw2ben]

The major flaw in this premise is that KC Creed and PIT Creed would be the same player...

In terms of scheme and coaching? Perhaps. Still a great player. And a player/position of serious need.

Creed is a statue. Works great for what they're asking him to do in KC but doesn't fit as well for what the Steelers want their C to do––I wrote about this at length in the spring. If you can stomach watching the game again, have a look at Motravius Adams vs Creed last Sunday. You might be surprised.

[Rod & Wire Mill]

The major flaw in this premise is that KC Creed and PIT Creed would be the same player...

Point well taken.

[Jizz Mop]

The major flaw in this premise is that KC Creed and PIT Creed would be the same player...

In terms of scheme and coaching? Perhaps. Still a great player. And a player/position of serious need.

Creed is a statue. Works great for what they're asking him to do in KC but doesn't fit as well for what the Steelers want their C to do––I wrote about this at length in the spring. If you can stomach watching the game again, have a look at Motravius Adams vs Creed last Sunday. You might be surprised.

I watched Green this year too….impressive. Not.

You can’t convince me he blows away Green.

And if you don’t think Creed is capable of fulfilling the responsibilities of a Steelers center than you didn’t watch enough Oklahoma football

[Jizz Mop]

Green failed at pretty much every aspect of being a Steelers center

He’s a bust

And he isn't gonna make it at guard

Two starts at Illinois at C….draft him they said. Overlook that they said. He will be fine they said.

Fucking joke

[bradshaw2ben]

In terms of scheme and coaching? Perhaps. Still a great player. And a player/position of serious need.

Creed is a statue. Works great for what they're asking him to do in KC but doesn't fit as well for what the Steelers want their C to do––I wrote about this at length in the spring. If you can stomach watching the game again, have a look at Motravius Adams vs Creed last Sunday. You might be surprised.

I watched Green this year too….impressive. Not.

You can’t convince me he blows away Green.

And if you don’t think Creed is capable of fulfilling the responsibilities of a Steelers center than you didn’t watch enough Oklahoma football

Creed was much better than Green this year. That not a huge surprise, since Creed was a high floor player and Green was an upside pick.

Creed looked great in a phone booth at Oklahoma and struggled the further away from his starting position he got. Perhaps you didn't watch enough? He might be much better than Green always and Green might bust. It's a bit too early to say.

[Jizz Mop]

I watched enough of Oklahoma to see a center that we certainly could have worked with

He will be an all pro next year while we struggle at the position.

But hey, yelling Muuuuth is fun down 20 in the 2nd qtr

https://arrowheadaddict.com/2022/01/14/ ... -team/amp/

Creed was highest rated center of entire league

[RemoAZ]

I wanted oline the first two picks but it could have been a lot worse. We got two very good players at positions of need. It's not like we drafted a Devin Bush or Jarvis Jones. Both guys seem to be really good dudes too so I'm not going to cry about it. The person that was hurt the most was Ben who could never get going behind that terrible oline. He'd done now so they will have to rebuild a lot of things going forward. They have their #1 TE and RB locked down for a while at least. I'm way more worried about Mediocre Tomlin gaining more control over personnel.

[955876]

They lost almost all of their oline from the year before.

They had an aging stone footed QB

They drafted a RB in round 1.

And with their #2 pick they take……

a TE.

Then proceed to spend the year getting ass fucked up the middle. Ben has defenders in his face and Najee hit in the backfield often.

But hey, we grabbed a pretty good TE.

I like Muth. But let’s not pretend we snagged the next Kelce.

This team is dumb. Then plays the woe is me, not my fault, victim of circumstances etc.

They often creste their own problems. This is a glaring example of that very thing.

Freaking JC scrub Hausenhoiser or whatever his name is was way better than Green showed this year.

They literally handed the C job to a kid with 4 starts at C ever.

Beyond dumb.

You can find a Muth all the damn time. He isn’t bad but he’s also fairly mediocre.

We suck becuase of choices such as this year after year.

Last year it was selling the farm for a prancing fairy that spends games hiding from the action.

[955876]

We went 27 years between championships last time.

Over/under on that this time around???

We are what, 14 years in now??

[Steelperch]

It’s not Creed vs Muth as much as it is Green vs anyone else. He was awful. I don’t see a move to guard helping his lack of strength and short arms.

[Jizz Mop]

It’s not Creed vs Muth as much as it is Green vs anyone else. He was awful. I don’t see a move to guard helping his lack of strength and short arms.

But it is.

What was the better pick? A decent TE prospect or a center who will anchor the line for next 10 years?

[cop1211]

How did Quinn Mierez(?) look? Center the Broncos drafted.

I like Muth, but was pounding the table for Mierez (sp) or Humphrey.

This year it’s even more so for Linderbaum.

[lifelongsteel]

FWIW PFF predraft overall rankings for Centers and TE

PItts - 5
Dickerson - 44
Meinerz - 51
Muth - 55
Creed - 62
Green - 68
Tremble (3rd rated TE) - 96

Even if Creed is an evergreen all pro center, not many people saw this coming. To get a player who is ranked 6 spots lower one round later seems on paper like a logical, practical move, especially considering that the TE prospects were not very good beyond Muth.

You can't complain about every player the steelers don't pick who over performs expectations.

[Pabst]

How did Quinn Mierez(?) look? Center the Broncos drafted.

I like Muth, but was pounding the table for Mierez (sp) or Humphrey.

This year it’s even more so for Linderbaum.

Can't say I watched many Denver games, but Meinerz played RG for them rather than C.

[Jizz Mop]

FWIW PFF predraft overall rankings for Centers and TE

PItts - 5
Dickerson - 44
Meinerz - 51
Muth - 55
Creed - 62
Green - 68
Tremble (3rd rated TE) - 96

Even if Creed is an evergreen all pro center, not many people saw this coming. To get a player who is ranked 6 spots lower one round later seems on paper like a logical, practical move, especially considering that the TE prospects were not very good beyond Muth.

You can't complain about every player the steelers don't pick who over performs expectations.

Sure you can

I’m living proof

Sincerely,
Jizz Mop

[Pabst]

FWIW PFF predraft overall rankings for Centers and TE

PItts - 5
Dickerson - 44
Meinerz - 51
Muth - 55
Creed - 62
Green - 68
Tremble (3rd rated TE) - 96

Even if Creed is an evergreen all pro center, not many people saw this coming. To get a player who is ranked 6 spots lower one round later seems on paper like a logical, practical move, especially considering that the TE prospects were not very good beyond Muth.

You can't complain about every player the steelers don't pick who over performs expectations.

On the flip side, there have been plenty of board favorites who have flopped over the years (Karl Joseph immediately comes to mind). Like many things, we remember the times we were right but memory hole the times we were wrong.

[955876]

To get a player who is ranked 6 spots lower one round later seems on paper like a logical, practical move,

Ranking schmanking.

Green had a whopping 4 games experience at center. He was handed the job and failed miserably.

Maybe he gets better.

Muth is a good player. I like him. But I don’t think he will be a huge dynamic difference maker. Plus, the MUCH bigger need was along the oline. One of those top two picks needed to go there and they ignored it.

The results show it was clearly a poor decision.

[jebrick]

The major flaw in this premise is that KC Creed and PIT Creed would be the same player...

In terms of scheme and coaching? Perhaps. Still a great player. And a player/position of serious need.

Creed is a statue. Works great for what they're asking him to do in KC but doesn't fit as well for what the Steelers want their C to do––I wrote about this at length in the spring. If you can stomach watching the game again, have a look at Motravius Adams vs Creed last Sunday. You might be surprised.

But Creed had the best work out for a center in the history of the combine!!

[955876]

What Chiefs want to do vs what the Steelers want to do.

Hmmmmm

Whatever it is we “want to do” (1) doesn’t work (2) is lame, and (3) is painful to watch.

But glad we didn’t take the better player that would have put a damper on all that fun.

Watching defenders blowing up the middle to pressure Ben or hit Najee in the backfield was cool.

[955876]

But Creed had the best work out for a center in the history of the combine!!

We handed to job to a guy with 4 games ever at the position.

[bradshaw2ben]

But Creed had the best work out for a center in the history of the combine!!

We handed to job to a guy with 4 games ever at the position.

…who ended up being the second best rookie center that played. And eventually the other guy who will be top 3 never played it in a college game—probably starting for TB next year.

Let’s evaluate in 3 years and see how it works out, shall we?

[Steelperch]

Kendrick Green’s biggest accomplishment was making JC Hassenauer look like a competent NFL Center.