Mediocre Mike

[RemoAZ]

This article sums it up pretty good. Took them long enough to recognize.
Joe Starkey: The Stale Curtain: https://www.post-gazette.com/sports/col ... 2201200099

"You have every right to be angry with the state of the franchise. I keep hearing how Steelers fans are spoiled. They don’t know how good they have it.

I hear that as, “Listen, not every team has a shot every year and gives its fans something to root for late into seasons.”

Well, let me tell you something: If we define “having a shot” as still being alive with, say, two weeks left in the season, then this fan base actually has plenty of company.

It is not unique."

"Nobody roots for 4-13, but if the alternative is 9-8 forever, it might be best. The irony is that Mike Tomlin’s 15-year string of non-losing seasons was born of — you guessed it — a losing season. The Steelers went 6-10 in 2003, leading to the single biggest reason for the 15-year streak: Ben Roethlisberger.

Also note that while Tomlin has never lost a team, he has now lost more playoff games than he has won (8-9).

So what’s this all mean? Are you supposed to root for a terrible season?

Not necessarily, but be advised: The only two quarterbacks who have led the Steelers to championships — Roethlisberger and Terry Bradshaw — arrived as a direct result of terrible seasons."

[Steelperch]

This is why bringing in a mid level veteran QB would be a catastrophe. They need a rebuild. They need a losing season. They need to land some young difference makers in the draft and ultimately a new franchise QB within the next 2-3 years. Sign me up for the suck. We’ve got 18 years of winning goodwill stored up. We can handle two down years.

[Jizz Mop]

This is why bringing in a mid level veteran QB would be a catastrophe. They need a rebuild. They need a losing season. They need to land some young difference makers in the draft and ultimately a new franchise QB within the next 2-3 years. Sign me up for the suck. We’ve got 18 years of winning goodwill stored up. We can handle two down years.

This

Gonna have to go backwards to go forward

Going horizontal won’t make us better but instead keep us in eternal Tomlin mediocrity

[BethlehemSteel]

This article sums it up pretty good. Took them long enough to recognize.
Joe Starkey: The Stale Curtain: https://www.post-gazette.com/sports/col ... 2201200099

"You have every right to be angry with the state of the franchise. I keep hearing how Steelers fans are spoiled. They don’t know how good they have it.

I hear that as, “Listen, not every team has a shot every year and gives its fans something to root for late into seasons.”

Well, let me tell you something: If we define “having a shot” as still being alive with, say, two weeks left in the season, then this fan base actually has plenty of company.

It is not unique."

"Nobody roots for 4-13, but if the alternative is 9-8 forever, it might be best. The irony is that Mike Tomlin’s 15-year string of non-losing seasons was born of — you guessed it — a losing season. The Steelers went 6-10 in 2003, leading to the single biggest reason for the 15-year streak: Ben Roethlisberger.

Also note that while Tomlin has never lost a team, he has now lost more playoff games than he has won (8-9).

So what’s this all mean? Are you supposed to root for a terrible season?

Not necessarily, but be advised: The only two quarterbacks who have led the Steelers to championships — Roethlisberger and Terry Bradshaw — arrived as a direct result of terrible seasons."

after hearing the weekly grind of comments from the team, players and just the sheer amount of distance to when Tomlin embraced his fears and stubbornness and has been bullshitting his way through for the past 9-10 years.........ITS ON HIM and HIM ONLY.

WAKE THE FUCK UP ART!!!!

[BethlehemSteel]

This is why bringing in a mid level veteran QB would be a catastrophe. They need a rebuild. They need a losing season. They need to land some young difference makers in the draft and ultimately a new franchise QB within the next 2-3 years. Sign me up for the suck. We’ve got 18 years of winning goodwill stored up. We can handle two down years.

yes to this, then use a veteran for a few yrs if the QB crop is still light, Can we honestly pine for the Manning kid, guess we will see how his college career goes in the next few yrs

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/ncaafb ... ar-AASWTCC

[the-other-burg]

Many of us have been saying this for years... Good enough is the enemy of Great.

Tomlin is the enemy of Super Bowls.

[bradshaw2ben]

This is why bringing in a mid level veteran QB would be a catastrophe. They need a rebuild. They need a losing season. They need to land some young difference makers in the draft and ultimately a new franchise QB within the next 2-3 years. Sign me up for the suck. We’ve got 18 years of winning goodwill stored up. We can handle two down years.

yes to this, then use a veteran for a few yrs if the QB crop is still light, Can we honestly pine for the Manning kid, guess we will see how his college career goes in the next few yrs

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/ncaafb ... ar-AASWTCC

Arch Manning is going to be pick 1.1, so unless the Steelers figure out a way to the league's worst record in say 2024 (or ol' arch has a cocaine beef or something), that ain't happening.

Keep your eyes on Cameron Ward at WSU & Will Levis at Kentucky. Maybe Van Dyke in Miami or Shough at Texas Tech. Caleb Williams if he's your cup of tea. Great QB prospects are coming, just resist the temptation to waste a 2022 pick on a lame one.

[BethlehemSteel]

This is why bringing in a mid level veteran QB would be a catastrophe. They need a rebuild. They need a losing season. They need to land some young difference makers in the draft and ultimately a new franchise QB within the next 2-3 years. Sign me up for the suck. We’ve got 18 years of winning goodwill stored up. We can handle two down years.

yes to this, then use a veteran for a few yrs if the QB crop is still light, Can we honestly pine for the Manning kid, guess we will see how his college career goes in the next few yrs

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/ncaafb ... ar-AASWTCC

Arch Manning is going to be pick 1.1, so unless the Steelers figure out a way to the league's worst record in say 2024 (or ol' arch has a cocaine beef or something), that ain't happening.

Keep your eyes on Cameron Ward at WSU & Will Levis at Kentucky. Maybe Van Dyke in Miami or Shough at Texas Tech. Caleb Williams if he's your cup of tea. Great QB prospects are coming, just resist the temptation to waste a 2022 pick on a lame one.

i will defer to your wizardry on finding talent.........maybe he comes out early and we tank hard, which we should...we are pretty much on the good side of that

[955876]

Sign me up for the suck

The only reason I was on board with us winning games this year was Ben. I wanted him going out with Ws instead of Ls.

But he’s gone.

I would be gleeful over 0-17.

Bad is better than good in this case.

Squeaking out wins to finish middle of the lack but in no way capable of even remotely competing in the playoffs isn’t enjoyable.

The week leading up to a Steelers playoff game used to be a magical week filled with anticipation and excitement.

Not this year. Or last for that matter. I knew with 100% certainty we’d be smoked no matter who we played.

And we were.

I’d rather lol forward to acquiring top 10 picks for a couple of years.

This team is devoid of talent across the board and making matters worse, led by incompetent fools.

So ya, bring on 4-13. Please let it happen.

[CzechSteeler]

This is why bringing in a mid level veteran QB would be a catastrophe. They need a rebuild. They need a losing season. They need to land some young difference makers in the draft and ultimately a new franchise QB within the next 2-3 years. Sign me up for the suck. We’ve got 18 years of winning goodwill stored up. We can handle two down years.

Only if we knew surely that it´s just two years..

[bradshaw2ben]

yes to this, then use a veteran for a few yrs if the QB crop is still light, Can we honestly pine for the Manning kid, guess we will see how his college career goes in the next few yrs

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/ncaafb ... ar-AASWTCC

Arch Manning is going to be pick 1.1, so unless the Steelers figure out a way to the league's worst record in say 2024 (or ol' arch has a cocaine beef or something), that ain't happening.

Keep your eyes on Cameron Ward at WSU & Will Levis at Kentucky. Maybe Van Dyke in Miami or Shough at Texas Tech. Caleb Williams if he's your cup of tea. Great QB prospects are coming, just resist the temptation to waste a 2022 pick on a lame one.

i will defer to your wizardry on finding talent.........maybe he comes out early and we tank hard, which we should...we are pretty much on the good side of that

Also, Arch can't come out until the 2026 draft... unless they change the draft rules. So, better make that 2-14-1 season happen in 2025.

[Steeldrama]

This is why bringing in a mid level veteran QB would be a catastrophe. They need a rebuild. They need a losing season. They need to land some young difference makers in the draft and ultimately a new franchise QB within the next 2-3 years. Sign me up for the suck. We’ve got 18 years of winning goodwill stored up. We can handle two down years.

yes to this, then use a veteran for a few yrs if the QB crop is still light, Can we honestly pine for the Manning kid, guess we will see how his college career goes in the next few yrs

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/ncaafb ... ar-AASWTCC

Arch Manning is going to be pick 1.1, so unless the Steelers figure out a way to the league's worst record in say 2024 (or ol' arch has a cocaine beef or something), that ain't happening.

Keep your eyes on Cameron Ward at WSU & Will Levis at Kentucky. Maybe Van Dyke in Miami or Shough at Texas Tech. Caleb Williams if he's your cup of tea. Great QB prospects are coming, just resist the temptation to waste a 2022 pick on a lame one.

Brock Vandagriff
UGA
2024
Ya heard it here first

[blu]

This is why bringing in a mid level veteran QB would be a catastrophe. They need a rebuild. They need a losing season. They need to land some young difference makers in the draft and ultimately a new franchise QB within the next 2-3 years. Sign me up for the suck. We’ve got 18 years of winning goodwill stored up. We can handle two down years.

Does anyone truly believe that Mike Tomlin can manage a rebuild?

[BethlehemSteel]

Arch Manning is going to be pick 1.1, so unless the Steelers figure out a way to the league's worst record in say 2024 (or ol' arch has a cocaine beef or something), that ain't happening.

Keep your eyes on Cameron Ward at WSU & Will Levis at Kentucky. Maybe Van Dyke in Miami or Shough at Texas Tech. Caleb Williams if he's your cup of tea. Great QB prospects are coming, just resist the temptation to waste a 2022 pick on a lame one.

i will defer to your wizardry on finding talent.........maybe he comes out early and we tank hard, which we should...we are pretty much on the good side of that

Also, Arch can't come out until the 2026 draft... unless they change the draft rules. So, better make that 2-14-1 season happen in 2025.

lets hope another Ben/ Or a Mahomes like guy is in the mix before then

[BethlehemSteel]

This is why bringing in a mid level veteran QB would be a catastrophe. They need a rebuild. They need a losing season. They need to land some young difference makers in the draft and ultimately a new franchise QB within the next 2-3 years. Sign me up for the suck. We’ve got 18 years of winning goodwill stored up. We can handle two down years.

Does anyone truly believe that Mike Tomlin can manage a rebuild?

no so the better we get to 0-17 this coming year, allows the Org to make a tomlin retirement happen

[blu]

Sign me up for the suck

The only reason I was on board with us winning games this year was Ben. I wanted him going out with Ws instead of Ls.

But he’s gone.

I would be gleeful over 0-17.

Bad is better than good in this case.

Squeaking out wins to finish middle of the lack but in no way capable of even remotely competing in the playoffs isn’t enjoyable.

The week leading up to a Steelers playoff game used to be a magical week filled with anticipation and excitement.

Not this year. Or last for that matter. I knew with 100% certainty we’d be smoked no matter who we played.

And we were.

I’d rather lol forward to acquiring top 10 picks for a couple of years.

This team is devoid of talent across the board and making matters worse, led by incompetent fools.

So ya, bring on 4-13. Please let it happen.

I hope Haskins starts over Rudolph in the fall although I don't wish MR too badly hurt. Haskins can be very frustrating but could be fun to watch. I figure Rudolph can be good for 4-5 wins but Haskins just 2. While Tomlin will have no concept of what a rebuild can be - it hopefully won't require rocket science to pick an excellent quarterback prospect in the first few picks of 2023. Hopefully, they can get a few good o-lineman in 2022.

[955876]

Brock Vandagriff

Passes the name test.

Shit, I’d take Brock Landers or Chest Rockwell at QB over the garbage we currently have on our roster.

[955876]

I hope Haskins starts over Rudolph

Kid has a big arm. I’d rather watch him as well over Bibberty.

Bibberty is safe though and we all k ow how Jibbs actually does in fact live in his fears.

[Kodiak.]

Add this to long list of "WTF is Tomlin still here?": Read an article saying Tomlin "doesn't want to develop a young QB". The only way to interpret that is Tomlin is a short-timer intent on preserving his streak of non-losing seasons.

Yet another example of coaching malpractice.

[langer]

“The Pittsburgh Steelers’ agenda is the agenda.”

[955876]

Add this to long list of "WTF is Tomlin still here?": Read an article saying Tomlin "doesn't want to develop a young QB". The only way to interpret that is Tomlin is a short-timer intent on preserving his streak of non-losing seasons.

Yet another example of coaching malpractice.

Well, at least he’s admitting his limitations for once. Jibbs knows damn well he isn’t capable of developing shit.

If true we can at least breathe easy they won’t race for the podium to take a kid no better than Rudolph.

[Baltostiller]

Sign me up for the suck

The only reason I was on board with us winning games this year was Ben. I wanted him going out with Ws instead of Ls.

But he’s gone.

I would be gleeful over 0-17.

Bad is better than good in this case.

Squeaking out wins to finish middle of the lack but in no way capable of even remotely competing in the playoffs isn’t enjoyable.

The week leading up to a Steelers playoff game used to be a magical week filled with anticipation and excitement.

Not this year. Or last for that matter. I knew with 100% certainty we’d be smoked no matter who we played.

And we were.

I’d rather lol forward to acquiring top 10 picks for a couple of years.

This team is devoid of talent across the board and making matters worse, led by incompetent fools.

So ya, bring on 4-13. Please let it happen.

I hope Haskins starts over Rudolph in the fall although I don't wish MR too badly hurt. Haskins can be very frustrating but could be fun to watch. I figure Rudolph can be good for 4-5 wins but Haskins just 2. While Tomlin will have no concept of what a rebuild can be - it hopefully won't require rocket science to pick an excellent quarterback prospect in the first few picks of 2023. Hopefully, they can get a few good o-lineman in 2022.

I wouldn't underestimate the ability of the cool shades moron to fuck up a draft, or a one car funeral for that matter. Example. Jones, Jervis among many others...

[Greeksteel]

This is why bringing in a mid level veteran QB would be a catastrophe. They need a rebuild. They need a losing season. They need to land some young difference makers in the draft and ultimately a new franchise QB within the next 2-3 years. Sign me up for the suck. We’ve got 18 years of winning goodwill stored up. We can handle two down years.

yup

[Jizz Mop]

Why do we always hear Tomlin never had a losing season?

Why hasn’t it been “Ben Roethlisberger never had a losing season?”

Whose streak is longer?

So sick of the bullshit

[955876]

Why do we always hear Tomlin never had a losing season?

Why hasn’t it been “Ben Roethlisberger never had a losing season?”

Whose streak is longer?

So sick of the bullshit

Because there are those out there that feel the need to prop Jibbs up.

He sure has been immune from criticism.

A coach that has put a decade plus of postseason futility on tape as he has would ordinarily catch some heat. Not Jibba Jabber though.

[BethlehemSteel]

the title of the Starkey article :

Joe Starkey: The Stale Curtain

Simply brilliant, the standard is not the standard...... Hey Mikey T POW

[Kodiak.]

Simply brilliant, the standard is not the standard...... Hey Mikey T POW

It's hard to imagine Tomlin surviving next year when he finally has that losing season....and the current level of sniping out there ramps up 3-fold. Deuce won't be able to ignore that.

Deuce may be satisfied with what Tomlin is putting on tape. But guessing he has a very low tolerance for PIT being negatively perceived, and that perception is starting to bottom out. Not even Tomlin can continue to survive backing into 9-8 with a soft and stupid team.

[BethlehemSteel]

Simply brilliant, the standard is not the standard...... Hey Mikey T POW

It's hard to imagine Tomlin surviving next year when he finally has that losing season....and the current level of sniping out there ramps up 3-fold. Deuce won't be able to ignore that.

Deuce may be satisfied with what Tomlin is putting on tape. But guessing he has a very low tolerance for PIT being negatively perceived, and that perception is starting to bottom out. Not even Tomlin can continue to survive backing into 9-8 with a soft and stupid team.

Agreed

I am gonna gauge this based on what Art says in his end of year assessments....i am looking for key words this year to compare with last.

MAny former players and HOF's really took this team to town over the sliding slope of the standard. And that is sits squarely on MT and ART2

[Kodiak.]

MAny former players and HOF's really took this team to town over the sliding slope of the standard. And that is sits squarely on MT and ART2

Exactly. If I was Deuce, steam would be coming out my ears with all these former players criticizing the "once proud franchise". That Tomlin is still here I'm guessing is only because Deuce doesn't want to fire a guy he's already committed to paying another $35M or whatever.

I never understood the length and timing of that extension. Maybe Deuce did it deliberately to force himself to give Tomlin time post-Ben. Or maybe it was a knee-jerk reaction to Bradshaw's criticism. And if that's the case, then Tomlin probably gets a 10-yr extension after going 4-13 next year.

[Orangesteel]

This is why bringing in a mid level veteran QB would be a catastrophe. They need a rebuild. They need a losing season. They need to land some young difference makers in the draft and ultimately a new franchise QB within the next 2-3 years. Sign me up for the suck. We’ve got 18 years of winning goodwill stored up. We can handle two down years.

Does anyone truly believe that Mike Tomlin can manage a rebuild?

Not only can he not manage a rebuild (nor do I want him to), his pride wont allow for a shit season like 3-14 or 4-13. As long as he’s right there week 18 playing for that 7th seed, that’s Tomlin doing Tomlin things.

So in a lot of ways we are fucked. And I absolutely think they will go after a decent back up that will have us fighting for that last playoff spot, which could in turn prevent us from ever competing for an elite QB prospect.

That said, very high drafted QBs are tending to be crapshoots these days. For every Herbert and Mahomes there are a bunch others that just end up being OK or actually suck. Maybe we don’t need a top 3 pick to get the heir apparent to #7. Whoever they go all in on better be the right one, however. And I don’t want Tomlin to be a part of that decision.