Steelers sign S Damontae Kazee

[Greeksteel]

Jeremy Fowler
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Free agent safety Damontae Kazee is signing a one-year deal with the Pittsburgh Steelers, per source. Five-year veteran has 12 career interceptions.

[Orangesteel]

The fuck? Wow.

[Orangesteel]

Can someone explain to me what the hell this organization is doing, please? Basically jokingly draft FB and QB at the end of the draft then sign one of the better FA safeties on the market?

Hello?

[steelclan]

Can someone explain to me what the hell this organization is doing, please? Basically jokingly draft FB and QB at the end of the draft then sign one of the better FA safeties on the market?

Hello?

Connor Heyward isn't a joke he is a versatile FB, do I think they should've picked him? No but kid can play and it is a 6th round pick nothing to lose sleep over. The QB in the 7th is a dice roll which is exactly what the 7th round is. If you find a back up in the 7th round it is unusual and a great pick. So nothing wrong with tossing something against the wall and seeing if it works.

I don't know why folks take draft picks beyond the 4th round so seriously given the history of those later rounds.

[SteelerDayTrader]

Can someone explain to me what the hell this organization is doing, please? Basically jokingly draft FB and QB at the end of the draft then sign one of the better FA safeties on the market?

Hello?

Connor Heyward isn't a joke he is a versatile FB, do I think they should've picked him? No but kid can play and it is a 6th round pick nothing to lose sleep over. The QB in the 7th is a dice roll which is exactly what the 7th round is. If you find a back up in the 7th round it is unusual and a great pick. So nothing wrong with tossing something against the wall and seeing if it works.

I don't know why folks take draft picks beyond the 4th round so seriously given the history of those later rounds.

Deepest draft in decades makes it a big deal

When you pass up drafting a Tyler Goodson for a Connor Heyward something is wrong

[955876]

I don't know why folks take draft picks beyond the 4th round so seriously given the history of those later rounds.

Because those are the rounds where teams can really augment their depth at key positions. Injuries happen.

Several big bodied corners who can run were coming off the board. Meanwhile, our guys take a guy just to appease his brother.

I mean shit, we don't even use a damn FB.

Maybe the guy surprises. Hope he does.

But then, think about the last time these guys appeased a defensive player by signing his underwhelming little brother who plays FB.

Made the guy the second highest paid fullback in the league and then didn't do a damn thing with him.

Sure those late pics often amount to nothing. But they also can often round out your depth and at times, you find an Antonio Brown or Brett Keisel.

[Jobu]

But then, think about the last time these guys appeased a defensive player by signing his underwhelming little brother who plays FB.

Derek Watt ( he’s actually Older than TJ) is 10 times the football player that Connor Heyward is. Connor Heyward has zero NFL talent. He’s too small to be a TE, can’t block we’ll enough to play FB, and is too damn slow to be a viable RB option. He was drafted because he is Cam’s brother…period.
If Derek Watt gets cut, he’ll have other offers by days end. If little Heyward gets cut, he’ll be filling out convenient store applications, and deliver Doordash.
This ridiculous practice of drafting and signing all these brother duos that A2 promotes is turning the organization into a laughing stock!

[bradshaw2ben]

If they’re bringing in Kazee to be the NCB I am psyched!

[Jobu]

If they’re bringing in Kazee to be the NCB I am psyched!

I was thinking this…and yes.

[955876]

But then, think about the last time these guys appeased a defensive player by signing his underwhelming little brother who plays FB.

Derek Watt ( he’s actually Older than TJ) is 10 times the football player that Connor Heyward is. Connor Heyward has zero NFL talent. He’s too small to be a TE, can’t block we’ll enough to play FB, and is too damn slow to be a viable RB option. He was drafted because he is Cam’s brother…period.
If Derek Watt gets cut, he’ll have other offers by days end. If little Heyward gets cut, he’ll be filling out convenient store applications, and deliver Doordash.
This ridiculous practice of drafting and signing all these brother duos that A2 promotes is turning the organization into a laughing stock!

Exactly.

Hope you are wrong on Watt vs. Heyward because if true, just shows how fucked-up this team's priorities are.

Dunce needs to stop with the kumbaya bullshit and demand excellence.

- Kissing ABs ass goodbye after he shit all over the team

- trading guys to help their situation vs. doing what is best for the team first.

- Rubbing Jibbs belly and saying 'good boy" after yet another season without winning a single playoff game.

- Signing all these damn brothers even though the brothers don't bring shit to the team. Well, maybe these brothers are in charge of Ping Pong and bringing the marshmellows for smores.

Dunce is by far the biggest problem with this team.

[steelclan]

I don't know why folks take draft picks beyond the 4th round so seriously given the history of those later rounds.

Because those are the rounds where teams can really augment their depth at key positions. Injuries happen.

Several big bodied corners who can run were coming off the board. Meanwhile, our guys take a guy just to appease his brother.

I mean shit, we don't even use a damn FB.

Maybe the guy surprises. Hope he does.

But then, think about the last time these guys appeased a defensive player by signing his underwhelming little brother who plays FB.

Made the guy the second highest paid fullback in the league and then didn't do a damn thing with him.

Sure those late pics often amount to nothing. But they also can often round out your depth and at times, you find an Antonio Brown or Brett Keisel.

The success rate after the 4th round is in the single digits and yes of course you occasionally get lucky but whining about a pick because you don't like the player or fit after round 4?

Meh I don't bother. The UDFAs are about as likely to hit as any 6th or 7th rounder. I say this every year we have an inflated view of the draft. This is fostered by 90% of the garbage that comes out of "draft experts" gobs "plug and play" "perfect fit" "steal" "reach" "day 1 starter".

[bradshaw2ben]

Clan, part of the reason those late round picks don’t work out well is it’s self-fulfilling prophecy… these guys aren’t going to amount to anything, so who cares who the picks are. Pick somebody’s brother. Do a favor for that one scout. Danny grew up with this guys mom, etc.

NFL teams don’t succeed very well with late round guys because they don’t care enough to really scout and develop them. They don’t give them the same opportunities to fail. They have every disadvantage compared to the anointed 5-star and 4-star high school “real” prospects.

Teams who are smarter about it have a better success rate with those guys—late rounders and UDFAs. It’s an advantage—an opportunity missed for those who view them as throwaways or camp bodies.

[steelclan]

Clan, part of the reason those late round picks don’t work out well is it’s self-fulfilling prophecy… these guys aren’t going to amount to anything, so who cares who the picks are. Pick somebody’s brother. Do a favor for that one scout. Danny grew up with this guys mom, etc.

NFL teams don’t succeed very well with late round guys because they don’t care enough to really scout and develop them. They don’t give them the same opportunities to fail. They have every disadvantage compared to the anointed 5-star and 4-star high school “real” prospects.

Teams who are smarter about it have a better success rate with those guys—late rounders and UDFAs. It’s an advantage—an opportunity missed for those who view them as throwaways or camp bodies.

Fair point but I just can't that emotionally involved with picks beyond the 4th round. But you're right, teams like the Ravens do an excellent job in those rounds: players like Judon, Pierce, Gus Edwards etc. PS should invest more energy there because not only do the Ravens do well in those rounds comparatively speaking but they often reap the benefits of those players leaving for more lucrative contracts and Ravens have gotten a bunch of comp picks that way.

[SteelerDayTrader]

I don't know why folks take draft picks beyond the 4th round so seriously given the history of those later rounds.

Because those are the rounds where teams can really augment their depth at key positions. Injuries happen.

Several big bodied corners who can run were coming off the board. Meanwhile, our guys take a guy just to appease his brother.

I mean shit, we don't even use a damn FB.

Maybe the guy surprises. Hope he does.

But then, think about the last time these guys appeased a defensive player by signing his underwhelming little brother who plays FB.

Made the guy the second highest paid fullback in the league and then didn't do a damn thing with him.

Sure those late pics often amount to nothing. But they also can often round out your depth and at times, you find an Antonio Brown or Brett Keisel.

[SteelerDayTrader]

Clan, part of the reason those late round picks don’t work out well is it’s self-fulfilling prophecy… these guys aren’t going to amount to anything, so who cares who the picks are. Pick somebody’s brother. Do a favor for that one scout. Danny grew up with this guys mom, etc.

NFL teams don’t succeed very well with late round guys because they don’t care enough to really scout and develop them. They don’t give them the same opportunities to fail. They have every disadvantage compared to the anointed 5-star and 4-star high school “real” prospects.

Teams who are smarter about it have a better success rate with those guys—late rounders and UDFAs. It’s an advantage—an opportunity missed for those who view them as throwaways or camp bodies.

[Professor Half Wit]

But then, think about the last time these guys appeased a defensive player by signing his underwhelming little brother who plays FB.

Derek Watt ( he’s actually Older than TJ) is 10 times the football player that Connor Heyward is. Connor Heyward has zero NFL talent. He’s too small to be a TE, can’t block we’ll enough to play FB, and is too damn slow to be a viable RB option. He was drafted because he is Cam’s brother…period.
If Derek Watt gets cut, he’ll have other offers by days end. If little Heyward gets cut, he’ll be filling out convenient store applications, and deliver Doordash.
This ridiculous practice of drafting and signing all these brother duos that A2 promotes is turning the organization into a laughing stock!

Without disagreeing doesn’t CH’s college production (football touches) shit all over DWs at Wisconsin?

[955876]

The success rate after the 4th round is in the single digits and yes of course you occasionally get lucky but whining about a pick because you don't like the player or fit after round 4?

I don't think commenting/being critical of their process reaches the level of "whining". Simply commenting on their process which has become quite lazy. This is very apparent.

There is no reason to be lazy there. Good to great players can, do, and have been found in those late rounds.

Teams that have holes should exhaust every option.

A player not working out is a normal part of the drat. However, throwing away picks, drafting brothers, cousins, alma matter nonsense is dereliction and laziness.

I'd rather draft a guy in the 6th or 7th that gets cut than take somebody's buddy, brother, cousin that ends up making the roster simply due to those personal reasons.

Harder to cut Heyward than it will be any other player taken in the 6th.

The staff finds reasons to keep guys like that. Not the case when you remove the nepotism from the process.

[Mick]

Clan, part of the reason those late round picks don’t work out well is it’s self-fulfilling prophecy… these guys aren’t going to amount to anything, so who cares who the picks are. Pick somebody’s brother. Do a favor for that one scout. Danny grew up with this guys mom, etc.

NFL teams don’t succeed very well with late round guys because they don’t care enough to really scout and develop them. They don’t give them the same opportunities to fail. They have every disadvantage compared to the anointed 5-star and 4-star high school “real” prospects.

Teams who are smarter about it have a better success rate with those guys—late rounders and UDFAs. It’s an advantage—an opportunity missed for those who view them as throwaways or camp bodies.

philosophical question is, which direction do you go…low upside guys who can help you on ST etc right away and potentially give you a few good snaps here and there but will never amount to more than that, or upside guys that won’t get a hat on game days this season but have the talent to eventually be legitimate nfl starters?

In recent years, we’ve drafted guys we liked and signed some preferred UDFAs, then we try to put them on our PS squad and other teams pounce on anyone with a pulse we try to stash.

[beerbrother]

The success rate after the 4th round is in the single digits and yes of course you occasionally get lucky but whining about a pick because you don't like the player or fit after round 4?

I don't think commenting/being critical of their process reaches the level of "whining". Simply commenting on their process which has become quite lazy. This is very apparent.

There is no reason to be lazy there. Good to great players can, do, and have been found in those late rounds.

Teams that have holes should exhaust every option.

A player not working out is a normal part of the drat. However, throwing away picks, drafting brothers, cousins, alma matter nonsense is dereliction and laziness.

I'd rather draft a guy in the 6th or 7th that gets cut than take somebody's buddy, brother, cousin that ends up making the roster simply due to those personal reasons.

Harder to cut Heyward than it will be any other player taken in the 6th.

The staff finds reasons to keep guys like that. Not the case when you remove the nepotism from the process.

Tomlin's gibberish:

“We worth the intangible high quality,” Tomlin said, explaining the Steelers’ slew of siblings. “When you are doing enterprise with one, it in all probability offers you a sign in regards to the intangible high quality of the opposite. We’re all regularly making an attempt to measure that with which we can not. That in all probability is what drives us towards the brother recreation.

“The guys that we do business with, they’re here on their own merit and their own capabilities. In some instances, they just happen to be brothers.” https://fooshya.com/2022/05/01/pittsbur ... -brothers/

[Jobu]

The success rate after the 4th round is in the single digits and yes of course you occasionally get lucky but whining about a pick because you don't like the player or fit after round 4?

I don't think commenting/being critical of their process reaches the level of "whining". Simply commenting on their process which has become quite lazy. This is very apparent.

There is no reason to be lazy there. Good to great players can, do, and have been found in those late rounds.

Teams that have holes should exhaust every option.

A player not working out is a normal part of the drat. However, throwing away picks, drafting brothers, cousins, alma matter nonsense is dereliction and laziness.

I'd rather draft a guy in the 6th or 7th that gets cut than take somebody's buddy, brother, cousin that ends up making the roster simply due to those personal reasons.

Harder to cut Heyward than it will be any other player taken in the 6th.

The staff finds reasons to keep guys like that. Not the case when you remove the nepotism from the process.

Tomlin's gibberish:

“We worth the intangible high quality,” Tomlin said, explaining the Steelers’ slew of siblings. “When you are doing enterprise with one, it in all probability offers you a sign in regards to the intangible high quality of the opposite. We’re all regularly making an attempt to measure that with which we can not. That in all probability is what drives us towards the brother recreation.

“The guys that we do business with, they’re here on their own merit and their own capabilities. In some instances, they just happen to be brothers.” https://fooshya.com/2022/05/01/pittsbur ... -brothers/

Tomlin could possibly have a nice career in politics when he tires of this football hobby…

[stillthere]

Without disagreeing doesn’t CH’s college production (football touches) shit all over DWs at Wisconsin?

Yes. But don't tell anyone that. It may make them think before they react and then I could get bored on the board.

[Jobu]

Without disagreeing doesn’t CH’s college production (football touches) shit all over DWs at Wisconsin?

Yes. But don't tell anyone that. It may make them think before they react and then I could get bored on the board.

Again, we’re comparing players in different situations. After one season as a LB, Watt was a lead FB in a power run offense, he was rarely asked to carry the football.
Heyward was a RB in a MSU offense that also features a power run game for 4 seasons, then moved to “TE” in his final year. The football touches thing is more about the position than anything else.
Heyward is a small TE and a slow, straight line RB. I watched the guy play plenty at MSU, I just can’t place where and how he fits. Maybe they see him as that elusive backup RB we’ve all been hoping for?

[stillthere]

Without disagreeing doesn’t CH’s college production (football touches) shit all over DWs at Wisconsin?

Yes. But don't tell anyone that. It may make them think before they react and then I could get bored on the board.

Again, we’re comparing players in different situations. After one season as a LB, Watt was a lead FB in a power run offense, he was rarely asked to carry the football.
Heyward was a RB in a MSU offense that also features a power run game for 4 seasons, then moved to “TE” in his final year. The football touches thing is more about the position than anything else.
Heyward is a small TE and a slow, straight line RB. I watched the guy play plenty at MSU, I just can’t place where and how he fits. Maybe they see him as that elusive backup RB we’ve all been hoping for?

His college tape at least puts him in direct competition with Snell (depending on how Heyward does in pass protection and blitz pickup)

[stillthere]

Without disagreeing doesn’t CH’s college production (football touches) shit all over DWs at Wisconsin?

Yes. But don't tell anyone that. It may make them think before they react and then I could get bored on the board.

Again, we’re comparing players in different situations. After one season as a LB, Watt was a lead FB in a power run offense, he was rarely asked to carry the football.
Heyward was a RB in a MSU offense that also features a power run game for 4 seasons, then moved to “TE” in his final year. The football touches thing is more about the position than anything else.
Heyward is a small TE and a slow, straight line RB. I watched the guy play plenty at MSU, I just can’t place where and how he fits. Maybe they see him as that elusive backup RB we’ve all been hoping for?

Also I said in the actual Connor Heyward thread that if we can just get some Verron Hayes type plays out of him then we are steps ahead of where we have been the last year and half with James Conner being banged up along with Harris having to play every snap with no backup RB's worth a shit

[bradshaw2ben]

Yes. But don't tell anyone that. It may make them think before they react and then I could get bored on the board.

Again, we’re comparing players in different situations. After one season as a LB, Watt was a lead FB in a power run offense, he was rarely asked to carry the football.
Heyward was a RB in a MSU offense that also features a power run game for 4 seasons, then moved to “TE” in his final year. The football touches thing is more about the position than anything else.
Heyward is a small TE and a slow, straight line RB. I watched the guy play plenty at MSU, I just can’t place where and how he fits. Maybe they see him as that elusive backup RB we’ve all been hoping for?

His college tape at least puts him in direct competition with Snell (depending on how Heyward does in pass protection and blitz pickup)

If they wanted a FB with production and offensive skills, they should have drafted Clint Ratkovich and paid him to rehab for a year.

[PennyBacker]

Kazee looks like a solid depth piece. A player who may not see the field, especially if Edmunds continues to stay healthy as he always has, but a necessity nonetheless.

EDGE still looks light in a similar respect. No proven pass rushers or established players behind the top 2 on the depth chart. Ryan Kerrigan would be an intriguing player from my perspective. He was nothing but solid for Washington as primarily an OLB over the years, and never complained about playing time or how he was being used on the DL with Philadelphia last season. I say sign him up.

[LakecrestSteeler]

But then, think about the last time these guys appeased a defensive player by signing his underwhelming little brother who plays FB.

Derek Watt ( he’s actually Older than TJ) is 10 times the football player that Connor Heyward is. Connor Heyward has zero NFL talent. He’s too small to be a TE, can’t block we’ll enough to play FB, and is too damn slow to be a viable RB option. He was drafted because he is Cam’s brother…period.
If Derek Watt gets cut, he’ll have other offers by days end. If little Heyward gets cut, he’ll be filling out convenient store applications, and deliver Doordash.
This ridiculous practice of drafting and signing all these brother duos that A2 promotes is turning the organization into a laughing stock!

Exactly.

Hope you are wrong on Watt vs. Heyward because if true, just shows how fucked-up this team's priorities are.

Dunce needs to stop with the kumbaya bullshit and demand excellence.

- Kissing ABs ass goodbye after he shit all over the team

- trading guys to help their situation vs. doing what is best for the team first.

- Rubbing Jibbs belly and saying 'good boy" after yet another season without winning a single playoff game.

- Signing all these damn brothers even though the brothers don't bring shit to the team. Well, maybe these brothers are in charge of Ping Pong and bringing the marshmellows for smores.

Dunce is by far the biggest problem with this team.

Have you watched Heywards highlights?

Pretty impressive highlight reel. I think you sign him as football player first, position player second. His family’s genes and what he has on tape…he will be starting on special teams. I like him over Snail already. I suspect they see him as a backup for Harris, goal line specialist. 2pt conversions.

https://youtu.be/wpRrhWns-1k

5’11” 233LBS and a 4.72 40 yard dash. He can probably get a 1/2 second per 7-10 pounds dropped.

What do you do with him? They never knew what to do with his dad in the NFL either…but he kept playing and playing.