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Jalen Ramsey?

Post by alancac98 » Thu Feb 16, 2023 11:21 pm

Just saw a post about the Steelers are in talks with the Rams to trade for Ramsey with our 32nd pick in the draft. Thoughts? It was a post on FB so I really don't trust it but anyone else hear of it?



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Post by Jobu » Thu Feb 16, 2023 11:25 pm

He’s under contract for $17m in 2023.
I’m gonna say it’s BS.
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Post by StillerDownSouth » Thu Feb 16, 2023 11:27 pm

I’ve seen the idea floated around for a few weeks now, only by websites I generally have never heard of though. This time of year there is always a ton of speculation and a lot of smaller sites and bloggers hoping for clicks. That being said though, if would could somehow turn Claypool into Jalen Ramsey then sign me up, that dude locks down an entire side of the field.

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Post by Professor Half Wit » Thu Feb 16, 2023 11:55 pm

Is a 28 going on 29 year old Jalen worth 32? Is he still what he was? For how much longer?
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Post by fractalsteel » Fri Feb 17, 2023 1:41 am

This has been a rumor for more than a month. I don't see any traction in the past few weeks.
If it were to take place I would hope the Steelers receive a pick(3rd or 4th) along with Ramsey for the 32nd pick.

His cap hit makes it improbable

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Post by RemoAZ » Fri Feb 17, 2023 1:52 am

Hope not. Keep the draft pick. We need to get younger. Sign someone else if you want a vet DB. Not like we're a Jalen Ramsey away from a SB contender. Of course in Tomlin's eyes, Ramsey makes it that much easier to lock in 9-8 so he probably sees it as a great move.
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Post by 955876 » Fri Feb 17, 2023 2:13 am

If we had a real OC, a HC that knew how to call a timeout (and not meddle in the O), and have a solid draft we might actually be a #1 CB from being a legit SB contender.

Unfortunately, we don’t have a real OC, Jibbs doesn’t know how to call a time out, and whatever OC we do have is just going to run Jibba’s lame “get to 3rd down offense”.

So in other words, perpetual purgatory.

At least Dunce is happy as hell to have Jibbs dunno g the show so I’m h he doesn’t bother to evaluate his performance.

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Post by K_C_ » Fri Feb 17, 2023 2:20 am

Professor Half Wit wrote:
Thu Feb 16, 2023 11:55 pm
Is a 28 going on 29 year old Jalen worth 32? Is he still what he was? For how much longer?
Yes.

For several years to come.
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Post by Pickett's Platoon » Fri Feb 17, 2023 2:32 am

Fuck that. draft a guy.

Further, get rid of Clank Johnson, Mitch and WJ3

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Post by Baltostiller » Fri Feb 17, 2023 2:45 am

Pickett's Platoon wrote:
Fri Feb 17, 2023 2:32 am
Fuck that. draft a guy.

Further, get rid of Clank Johnson, Mitch and WJ3
Look at this moron's track record of drafting DBs. PLEASE don't draft a DB, they suck at it.

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Post by steelmann58 » Fri Feb 17, 2023 4:12 am

Last year big talk was them adding the honey badger

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Post by Pickett's Platoon » Fri Feb 17, 2023 10:45 am

Baltostiller wrote:
Fri Feb 17, 2023 2:45 am
Pickett's Platoon wrote:
Fri Feb 17, 2023 2:32 am
Fuck that. draft a guy.

Further, get rid of Clank Johnson, Mitch and WJ3
Look at this moron's track record of drafting DBs. PLEASE don't draft a DB, they suck at it.
Yeah I get it, but soon the law of averages has to swing in the brainless bastard's favor.

He's due to get lucky and nab one that doesn't need much coaching.

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Post by langer » Fri Feb 17, 2023 11:44 am

Coach Mike has a poster in his "man" cave of him, and looks at it like he did that Jackson guy who he signed and who never played because he was really badly injured.

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Post by Stosh-67 » Fri Feb 17, 2023 2:59 pm

Professor Half Wit wrote:
Thu Feb 16, 2023 11:55 pm
Is a 28 going on 29 year old Jalen worth 32? Is he still what he was? For how much longer?
BINGO
Steelers traded for Minka and gave up a first.
He was 23, still under rookie contract.
Essentially, at 23, Minka became that draft pick.
Hope not. Keep the draft pick. We need to get younger. Sign someone else if you want a vet DB. Not like we're a Jalen Ramsey away from a SB contender. Of course in Tomlin's eyes, Ramsey makes it that much easier to lock in 9-8 so he probably sees it as a great move.
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My thought exactly.
If he was the final piece, maybe.
But he will be a piece that will extend the NHALS.

In reality, he will lock down that side of the field.......... while teams run thru the middle of a defensive line that does not have a dominant run stuffer / penetrator and is missing not one, but two difference making ILBs, which compounds the weakness we have up the middle.

Cam Heyward will be 34 and going into his 13th season.
We need to draft the next Cam for that Dline.

Ramsey has a base salary of $17 million for 2023, $14.5 for 2024 and $15.5 for 2025. He would need to be re-structured.
He will want one more huge contract.
He has won a Super Bowl.
His primary goal will be that he wants one more huge contract.

Great player.
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Post by DP39 » Fri Feb 17, 2023 3:33 pm

Thanks, but no thanks.

Although, this does sound exactly like something Tomlin would push for.

While Ramsey is talented, and aside from his costs, he's a little too much like Peters in BAL -- a lot of baggage that comes with some talent.

"He doesn’t provide the real veteran leadership that you'd expect" from a Pro Bowler. "If anything, he’s a net negative in that department. Ramsey is well-known for his ego. He loves talking trash to his opponents before games, giving them bulletin board material. He’ll talk trash during the game, which is fine until he starts a brawl and gets suspended for it. He loves firing off cryptic tweets...", something, in the past, we saw enough of from the likes of AB, TikTok Boy, and Maple(Sucks)Tron. So, "despite being an elite player, he’s not the greatest guy to have in the locker room."

Besides, no doubt he'll want a new (bigger) contract in the deal, paying him at least $25MM per and probably more like $30MM per!

Just a few of his past transgressions: :roll:

OCT 21 2022: Fined $15,914 Helmet to Helmet hit against PJ Walker (CAR)
OCT 1 2022: Fined $10,609 Unsportsmanlike Conduct against Arizona (ARI)
FEB 6 2022: Fined $15,000 Verbally abusing the officials against San Francisco (SF)
DEC 12 2021: Fined $10,300 Taunting against Jacksonville (JAC)
NOV 12 2021: Fined $10,300 Taunting against Tennessee (TEN
OCT 9 2020: Fined $15,625 Fighting against New York (NYG)
NOV 4 2016: Fined $9,115 Unnecessary Roughness against Phillip Supernaw (TEN)
OCT 28 2016: Fined $9,115 Fighting against Oakland (OAK)


Again, thanks, but no thanks.

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Post by Ice » Fri Feb 17, 2023 4:14 pm

Per Lolley, Steelers and Cam Sutton are working on a contract, so this would probably render the Ramsey talk moot from a cap standpoint.
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Post by fractalsteel » Fri Feb 17, 2023 4:30 pm

For the transgressions DP39 listed it should be enough to sour fans.
We don't need to add an immature hotheaded player to this roster.
His best ball is probably behind him.
Remember what Scunge wrote about having that first pick in the second round a few weeks ago. There could be some team in love with a falling player at that point and they might be willing to give us a nice haul for that spot.
Just go back the past few years and checkout the trades early in the second round. Sliding back 5-7 slots and getting another 3rd would be nice.

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Post by Ice » Fri Feb 17, 2023 4:37 pm

If he was cheaper, we didn't already have Minkah, I wasn't skeptical about our coaching, and he didn't have the character concerns, he might make an interesting FS conversion project, ala Woodson with the Raiduhs and Rats. As things currently stand, at CB, I'd rather have Sutton if the deal can be done at a reasonable cap hit.
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Post by Jizz Mop » Fri Feb 17, 2023 4:47 pm

Ice wrote:
Fri Feb 17, 2023 4:14 pm
Per Lolley, Steelers and Cam Sutton are working on a contract, so this would probably render the Ramsey talk moot from a cap standpoint.
Resigning Sutton and keeping #32, in addition to not having to figure out how to fit Ramsey under the cap……

Makes sense to me

Hard pass

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Post by jebrick » Fri Feb 17, 2023 5:09 pm

This class of CBs is so deep, why would you trade for one?
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Post by Mick » Fri Feb 17, 2023 5:29 pm

Obviously no for pick #32; should never trade a premium pick for a veteran contract player (QB on a win-now roster as the exception).

If LA is just looking for someone to dump off guaranteed money on, that’s more interesting. Especially if sutton is looking for closer to $15/year, as opposed to the $9/year we’ve been hoping for, we need to have options for CB1.

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Post by Stosh-67 » Fri Feb 17, 2023 6:33 pm

fractalsteel wrote:
Fri Feb 17, 2023 4:30 pm
For the transgressions DP39 listed it should be enough to sour fans.
We don't need to add an immature hotheaded player to this roster.
His best ball is probably behind him.
Remember what Scunge wrote about having that first pick in the second round a few weeks ago. There could be some team in love with a falling player at that point and they might be willing to give us a nice haul for that spot.
Just go back the past few years and checkout the trades early in the second round. Sliding back 5-7 slots and getting another 3rd would be nice.
Absolutely.
Trades during the draft itself are not easy and the clock is ticking.
Teams that have 18-24 hours between the last pick of first round on Thursday night and start of second round Friday night have alot of time to assess who they picked, what voids they filled, what players dropped and what players could still be available.

Steelers.................HAVE to take advantage of 31 other teams that could have the very first pick of the second round and any player they want.
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Post by Ice » Fri Feb 17, 2023 6:57 pm

The more you leverage 32, the more of the waste of the Bush pick you can begin to clean up. Already spectacularly jumped up 20+ spots of draft value from what you initially spent on Claypool. That said, keeping the pick gives you a chance to grab a slipping impact player, as well. Definitely not a run to the podium type pick, and worthy of some mulling. Of course, we all know they're going to sprint to the podium.
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Post by jebrick » Fri Feb 17, 2023 7:52 pm

I could easily see them move up into the end of 1st to get another 5th year option on a rookie.
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Post by lifelongsteel » Fri Feb 17, 2023 9:23 pm

Exciting to have a new regime in place . . . this is not a move that Colbert would make.

Did Weidl make these types of moves in Philly or Balt? Did he do the AJ Brown deal?

Also, can this new regime draft corners, because the old one sure couldn't.

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Post by Rod & Wire Mill » Fri Feb 17, 2023 9:32 pm

Could just be smoke blowing for the Sutton deal.

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Post by TTP » Sat Feb 18, 2023 12:01 am

Even if they manage to sign Sutton, the Steelers CB room is weak, one of the worst and slowest in the NFL. They need to upgrade this position to improve on defense.

Personally, I would rather draft a corner at 17 or 32. The cap impact of getting a stud at a premium position on a rookie contract is huge. That said, I wouldn't mind Ramsey for 32. More money but less risk than a draft pick.
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Post by jebrick » Sat Feb 18, 2023 12:59 pm

This class is so deep in CBs that are good in the Steeler off-man/zone style.

Gonzalez
Witherspoon
Cam Smith
Ringo
Phillips
Forbes


All could go in the 1st round. It makes zero sense to trade away picks for a CB UNLESS they want to play more press man. They have zero CBs that can play press man remotely well.
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Post by bradshaw2ben » Sat Feb 18, 2023 1:48 pm

Ice wrote:
Fri Feb 17, 2023 4:14 pm
Per Lolley, Steelers and Cam Sutton are working on a contract, so this would probably render the Ramsey talk moot from a cap standpoint.
I also don't love paying Cam Sutton top 5 NFL CB money, (or even top 20 CB $ for that matter) either. I like him at the right price, but I don't think he's a #1 shutdown CB. He's either an average #1 or a solid #2.

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Post by Jobu » Sat Feb 18, 2023 2:05 pm

bradshaw2ben wrote:
Sat Feb 18, 2023 1:48 pm
Ice wrote:
Fri Feb 17, 2023 4:14 pm
Per Lolley, Steelers and Cam Sutton are working on a contract, so this would probably render the Ramsey talk moot from a cap standpoint.
I also don't love paying Cam Sutton top 5 NFL CB money, (or even top 20 CB $ for that matter) either. I like him at the right price, but I don't think he's a #1 shutdown CB. He's either an average #1 or a solid #2.
The projections I’ve seen are around 7.5-8 million per year for three years.
I know most think he’s an easy re-sign for the Steelers, but I think he wants to see what FA offers, and values himself more than what the Steelers do. We’ll see…
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