Cortez Allen just is not good enough.

[stinger8]

We are 6 games into the season, we can now start evaluating probable continued performance levels. Its not 1 or 2 games, its not a "slump". As Jack Welch says "see the situation as it is, not as you would like it to be". This guy is embarrassing himself weekly. He just does not seem to have IT. Could it be any worse bringing him in as the nickel back, keeping him hidden inside and give the outside spot to Blake or Mclain? I'm coachin he's not startin next week (same as Thomas), also sends a message to everyone else. You EARN your time on the field.

[chippedhamsandwich]

I have never seen a more dissinterested football player.

I really don't think that he realizes that he is playing a competitive game that is being televised.

[R_S]

He played great last week. Unfortunately he played like shit the other 5 games. Not a good batting average.

[Legacy User]

What the hell did the fo see in him to pay that contract?

[Gonzo]

its hard to judge him because as with Ike he is in part the victim of god awful Safety play

[Steelers4Life]

Our DBs suck, and the lack of a pass rush does them no favors. How many sacks did we have yesterday - just Heyward's early 1st quarter sack?

[Legacy User]

Yeah Mitchell has been a sound investment...

[Scunge]

Yes, here I am again with my LeBeau agenda, but have you read what LeBeau was saying about Jason Worilds? He thought he was playing fine, doing what was expected of him. I honestly think that LeBeau thinks Cortez Allen is fine too. I truly believe that Dick LeBeau has an incredible amount of influence on these big contracts. Dick tells Tomlin and Colbert that Allen is worth the big contract and they do the deal. Nobody brings this up but what if it is LeBeau who wanted Mike Mitchell signed? What if he was the one who pushed for the drafting of Shazier? Of Jarvis Jones?

I will say this too, in defense of Cortez Allen, Dick does not do him or any of our defense any favors. I just don't see how anybody can defend LeBeau and his defense any more.

I feel like it is 1991 all over again. We need to shake up this team and get rid of both the OC and DC and tell Tomlin to hire his own OC and DC and prove himself over the last two years of his contract.

I just watched Kyle Shanahan in his first year as the OC of the Browns kick our ass. He has his team playing great offensively without their best weapon in WR Gordon and with many unproven young players. It is possible to have great results in year one after hiring somebody to coach your offense or defense.

But in Pittsburgh we are brainwashed into thinking that it takes 2/3 years to fully implement an offense or defense. We are year 3 into Todd Haley's offense which also happens to be the last year of his contract I believe. Do the Steelers reward him with a new contract in the offseason and give him more time to fix this offense?

[Legacy User]

We are 6 games into the season, we can now start evaluating probable continued performance levels. Its not 1 or 2 games, its not a "slump". As Jack Welch says "see the situation as it is, not as you would like it to be". This guy is embarrassing himself weekly. He just does not seem to have IT. Could it be any worse bringing him in as the nickel back, keeping him hidden inside and give the outside spot to Blake or Mclain? I'm coachin he's not startin next week (same as Thomas), also sends a message to everyone else. You EARN your time on the field.

This is a conversation that should have occurred before extending him and giving him $3424234230438924 million dollars.

[Legacy User]

Im holding out hope he'll improve. I see some instances where the light is coming on. Keenan Lewis sucked until one day he didn't. He was fucking awful then one day the light came on about 3/4 way through his 3rd season. Hoping it happens for Allen too

[Legacy User]

Im holding out hope he'll improve. I see some instances where the light is coming on. Keenan Lewis sucked until one day he didn't. He was fucking awful then one day the light came on about 3/4 way through his 3rd season. Hoping it happens for Allen too

I hope so too, but it's just irresponsible management to commit long term (and give a hefty raise) to a guy who you're HOPING will stop being awful.

Cortez and Gilbert are posterchildren for why this team is going to suck for a long time.

[Legacy User]

What the hell did the fo see in him to pay that contract?

I think they felt they had no choice. Team is a runaway dumpsterfire at finding starting calibre CBs. Lewis walked. Allen's agent made the easiest deal of the year. Either pay Allen or get you a corner in draft to start next yeay since you guys are so good at finding CBs.

Cha ching. Fat contract for an average at best corner.

Then again, the secondary probably looks like a pack of perennial all pros playing against Haley's O in practice. When I heard McCain had three ints in one week of practice, I knew the offense was fucked.

[Suwanee88]

We are 6 games into the season, we can now start evaluating probable continued performance levels. Its not 1 or 2 games, its not a "slump". As Jack Welch says "see the situation as it is, not as you would like it to be". This guy is embarrassing himself weekly. He just does not seem to have IT. Could it be any worse bringing him in as the nickel back, keeping him hidden inside and give the outside spot to Blake or Mclain? I'm coachin he's not startin next week (same as Thomas), also sends a message to everyone else. You EARN your time on the field.

I agree Stinger - I really thought the light was coming on somewhat with Allen over the past 2 weeks but he was awful yesterday again. If Mclain was so damn good and practice and played well against Jax - why not play the guy more and sit Allen? Sends a message to Allen - backs up your words that you will fix it - I dont get it.

[Legacy User]

I don't think Marcus Gilbert is as terrible as everyone says. And I'll think he'll better.

And Cortez Allen will get better if they ever find a pass rush

[Legacy User]

Marcus Gilbert was described in a NFL scouting report as someone who plays with the disposition of a "chardonay drinker".

That's a polite way of saying he's a huge pussy.

And I agree 100%.

[Legacy User]

And Cortez Allen will get better if they ever find a pass rush

Of course he will. That doesn't mean he'll be good.

The NFL is a passity pass pass league now. The LeBeau talent level corner will often no longer be good enough.

Need shut down corners and pass rush demons.

[Legacy User]

Marcus Gilbert was described in a NFL scouting report as someone who plays with the disposition of a "chardonay drinker".

That's a polite way of saying he's a huge pussy.

And I agree 100%.

so what?

Is scouting a science?

Its an opinion

[COR-TEN]

Our DBs suck, and the lack of a pass rush does them no favors. How many sacks did we have yesterday - just Heyward's early 1st quarter sack?

Misdirection play action and read option neutralizes a pass rush. No pass rush and your defensive back level of play is exposed.

Dick's strategy is to pressure (or create "the perception of pressure") the passer and that is what is supposed to throw everything out of whack and cause miscues. But if you have no pressure or pass rush, the whole strategy collapses.

Cortez Allen is not that great. Good enough if you have a pass rush, but not good enough if he's on his own. He also looks lost and is having "swagger" issues. Losing confidence.

[Legacy User]

Marcus Gilbert was described in a NFL scouting report as someone who plays with the disposition of a "chardonay drinker".

That's a polite way of saying he's a huge pussy.

And I agree 100%.

so what?

Is scouting a science?

Its an opinion

It was an opinion back then. Now we've had years and years of tape to back it up. He's factually a vagina. It's no longer an opinion.

[Legacy User]

Marcus Gilbert was described in a NFL scouting report as someone who plays with the disposition of a "chardonay drinker".

That's a polite way of saying he's a huge pussy.

And I agree 100%.

so what?

Is scouting a science?

Its an opinion

It was an opinion back then. Now we've had years and years of tape to back it up. He's factually a vagina. It's no longer an opinion.

Cool, your opinion has been noted

You are probably the most negative person on this site, so I'll take it with a grain of salt

[Legacy User]

What the hell did the fo see in him to pay that contract?

I think they felt they had no choice. Team is a runaway dumpsterfire at finding starting calibre CBs. Lewis walked. Allen's agent made the easiest deal of the year. Either pay Allen or get you a corner in draft to start next yeay since you guys are so good at finding CBs.

Cha ching. Fat contract for an average at best corner.

Then again, the secondary probably looks like a pack of perennial all pros playing against Haley's O in practice. When I heard McCain had three ints in one week of practice, I knew the offense was fucked.

We needed to draft a CB high and instead we got Archer. He's a beast on Madden doe..

[Legacy User]

Remember when Gilbert got pancaked by Dumervil? My god was that embarrassing.

At least he hasn't taken out any of his teammates yet...I suppose that's an improvement worth of a fat extension.

[Legacy User]

Remember when Gilbert got pancaked by Dumervil? My god was that embarrassing.

At least he hasn't taken out any of his teammates yet...I suppose that's an improvement worth of a fat extension.

Do you remember any of the blocks he made on any of Leveon Bell's long runs?

[stinger8]

I don't think Marcus Gilbert is as terrible as everyone says. And I'll think he'll better.

And Cortez Allen will get better if they ever find a pass rush

OK I.C. I will play along. I try to conduct myself as a rational poster, not given to over reactions which we all know are rampant on this site. If Allan improves because of a pass rush, then Willy Gay would be a pro bowler because no one is bitching about his play with a shitty pass rush. By the way I posted that our secondary play would improve if we had a semblance of a pass rush, which I agree we do not. Willy Gay has stayed out of the vitriol frankly cause he is a pretty good player. When he gives a 7 yard cushion and a receiver does a 5 yard out. Willy sometimes gets to the ball, Allan very rarely does. Willy Gay rarely gets beat by a tight end, and he sometimes comes up and supports the run. I hope I am wrong about Allen and if so I will take my medicine BUT right now I see a guy who is not a starting caliber NFL C.B., and for now someone else deserves the chance to play that spot cause Cortez sure does not.

[Legacy User]

its hard to judge him because as with Ike he is in part the victim of god awful Safety play

I think part of LeBeau's scheme involves having your strong safety stay at least 10 yards away from any and all receivers and then throw his hands up over his head as he watches an easy completion behind him.

[COR-TEN]

I don't think Marcus Gilbert is as terrible as everyone says. And I'll think he'll better.

And Cortez Allen will get better if they ever find a pass rush

What if you don't have a pass rush, or it gets neutralized by misdirection PA or option read?

How many times did Hoyer just sit in the pocket from the second quarter on?

[steelmann58]

Even today Tunch admitted he made a mistake thinking Allen was going to be a #1 guy.

[Legacy User]

Im holding out hope he'll improve. I see some instances where the light is coming on. Keenan Lewis sucked until one day he didn't. He was fucking awful then one day the light came on about 3/4 way through his 3rd season. Hoping it happens for Allen too

I hope so too, but it's just irresponsible management to commit long term (and give a hefty raise) to a guy who you're HOPING will stop being awful.

Cortez and Gilbert are posterchildren for why this team is going to suck for a long time.

Cortez sucked donkey balls.

However, Gilbert has been quietly solid. Not great mind you, but solid.

[Jobu]

Gilbert is far down on the list of problems with this team right now.

As for Cortez...is it just me, or does it seem like he's jogging and half-assing it on the field?

[Legacy User]

Yes, here I am again with my LeBeau agenda, but have you read what LeBeau was saying about Jason Worilds? He thought he was playing fine, doing what was expected of him. I honestly think that LeBeau thinks Cortez Allen is fine too. I truly believe that Dick LeBeau has an incredible amount of influence on these big contracts. Dick tells Tomlin and Colbert that Allen is worth the big contract and they do the deal. Nobody brings this up but what if it is LeBeau who wanted Mike Mitchell signed? What if he was the one who pushed for the drafting of Shazier? Of Jarvis Jones?

I will say this too, in defense of Cortez Allen, Dick does not do him or any of our defense any favors. I just don't see how anybody can defend LeBeau and his defense any more.

I feel like it is 1991 all over again. We need to shake up this team and get rid of both the OC and DC and tell Tomlin to hire his own OC and DC and prove himself over the last two years of his contract.

I just watched Kyle Shanahan in his first year as the OC of the Browns kick our ass. He has his team playing great offensively without their best weapon in WR Gordon and with many unproven young players. It is possible to have great results in year one after hiring somebody to coach your offense or defense.

But in Pittsburgh we are brainwashed into thinking that it takes 2/3 years to fully implement an offense or defense. We are year 3 into Todd Haley's offense which also happens to be t last year of his contract I believe. Do the Steelers reward him with a new contract in the offseason and give him more time to fix this offense?

http://www.cleveland.com/osu/index.ssf/2009/04/safe_and_familiar_james_laurin.html

Laurinaitis said every time he sees Pittsburgh Steelers defensive coordinator Dick LeBeau, the former Buckeye says "I hope you slip to us," at the last pick in the first round, No. 32. Laurinaitis said he'd be honored to join the Super Bowl champs, but he hopes it doesn't come to that.

Instead the Steelers took speedy DT Ziggy Hood. To say these players are anybody's players but Tomlin's is preposterous.

Anyway this gives me an opportunity to whip a dead horse. Just imagine if the Steelers listened to LeBeau all those years ago. That would be a nice boring productive duo for the Steelers. An added bonus is that although a good player he isn't so great that he would had been overpriced for a Steelers C2, ILB would had been the calm around the roster storm. Many other positions could had been addressed over the years.

That's if Lebeau was picking horseflesh instead of Al Davis demon possessed Mike Tomlin. No, the problem is Tomlin. Why some have this irrational desire to protect him is beyond me.