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QB for next year

Post by StillerDownSouth » Tue Jan 16, 2024 1:38 am

What should the Steelers do at QB for next year....

1. Re-sign Mason and tell him he will compete for starter with KP8 and draft a QB in later rounds.

2. Trade up in the draft and take a QB

3. Sign a free agent like Cousins or Baker

I vote for option 3, KP8 and Mason are better suited as back ups, I would throw some serious cash at Baker, dude has a good arm and a lot of heart, and yes he's a giant douche, but being a lifelong Sooner fan, he's pretty good when he's your douche.



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Post by K_C_ » Tue Jan 16, 2024 1:41 am

We have too many needs to trade up for QB.

Heyward just might retire along with Tomlin.
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Post by StillerDownSouth » Tue Jan 16, 2024 1:43 am

K_C_ wrote:
Tue Jan 16, 2024 1:41 am
We have too many needs to trade up for QB.

Heyward just might retire along with Tomlin.

If Heyward retires, use that money for a guy like Baker or Cousins, both with be a huge upgrade.

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Post by Rod & Wire Mill » Tue Jan 16, 2024 1:45 am

Duck…and cover!

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Post by sinceiwas4 » Tue Jan 16, 2024 1:45 am

finish rebuilding the oline and let mason and/or kenny have a season with actual nfl offense then decide what to do at qb

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Post by K_C_ » Tue Jan 16, 2024 1:47 am

StillerDownSouth wrote:
Tue Jan 16, 2024 1:43 am
K_C_ wrote:
Tue Jan 16, 2024 1:41 am
We have too many needs to trade up for QB.

Heyward just might retire along with Tomlin.

If Heyward retires, use that money for a guy like Baker or Cousins, both with be a huge upgrade.
I think they'll give Pickett one more year to show he is or isn't the guy and Mason Rudolph will be back to compete with him.

That's exactly what I expect whether Tomlin is back or not.
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Post by K_C_ » Tue Jan 16, 2024 1:47 am

sinceiwas4 wrote:
Tue Jan 16, 2024 1:45 am
finish rebuilding the oline and let mason and/or kenny have a season with actual nfl offense then decide what to do at qb
This is exactly what will and should take place.
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Post by CoolShades » Tue Jan 16, 2024 1:47 am

Forget Cousins.

Baker? I wouldn’t mind seeing what he can do. He’s still young, and I think he is a lot better than people think.

I just don’t see the Steelers throwing a bunch of money at Mason. People are seeing him with rose-colored glasses right now, but he’s a guy they let walk last season and only took him because no one else wanted him and he took vet minimum.

Unless they have given up on Pickett inside the organization, they will make sure that he is the starter going into camp next season.
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Post by StillerDownSouth » Tue Jan 16, 2024 1:48 am

sinceiwas4 wrote:
Tue Jan 16, 2024 1:45 am
finish rebuilding the oline and let mason and/or kenny have a season with actual nfl offense then decide what to do at qb

I would take Baker over all 3 QB's on Steelers this year, I doubt Tampa will franchise Baker, don't think it would cost too much more to sign him over Mason.

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Post by CoolShades » Tue Jan 16, 2024 1:49 am

K_C_ wrote:
Tue Jan 16, 2024 1:41 am
We have too many needs to trade up for QB.

Heyward just might retire along with Tomlin.
I would not be surprised if Heyward is done.

If he comes back, they have to have him take a pay cut. What’s his cap hit next year? It’s in the $20m+ range if so remember correctly.

That’s too much for an aging defensive lineman.
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Post by Mason_Almighty » Tue Jan 16, 2024 1:49 am

Re-sign Mason

Cut Trubisky

Draft highest rated available QB

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Post by StillerDownSouth » Tue Jan 16, 2024 1:50 am

Baker with Tampa this year - 64% completion percentage - career high, 4044 yards, career high, 28 TD's career high, and is currently doing work against Eagles.

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Post by Jtf » Tue Jan 16, 2024 1:51 am

Can’t start year with Pickett. It will be another lost year. He fucked up two years. Luckily Mason got Steelers in. Pickett two years and no playoffs.

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Post by tbsteel » Tue Jan 16, 2024 1:56 am

Trade down in the late first/early second to pick up an extra top 60 pick.

Use that extra pick on a QB while addressing your other needs. Maybe a Spencer Rattler type? I mean, whoever we'd pick we'll hate at that point.

You basically have to keep trying to hit at QB every season. You can't stop until you get it right.

You cannot just hope to re-sign Mason at a decent backup QB price and have him and Kenny battle it out. They have to bring in someone else.
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Post by StillerDownSouth » Tue Jan 16, 2024 1:58 am

tbsteel wrote:
Tue Jan 16, 2024 1:56 am
Trade down in the late first/early second to pick up an extra top 60 pick.

Use that extra pick on a QB while addressing your other needs. Maybe a Spencer Rattler type? I mean, whoever we'd pick we'll hate at that point.

You basically have to keep trying to hit at QB every season. You can't stop until you get it right.

You cannot just hope to re-sign Mason at a decent backup QB price and have him and Kenny battle it out. They have to bring in someone else.

Absolutely, I just don't think Mason is the answer either, they should have found that out the season after Ben retired instead of wasting a 1st rounder on KP8.

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Post by steelmann58 » Tue Jan 16, 2024 1:58 am

I don't see Mason coming back here just an opion

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Post by StillerDownSouth » Tue Jan 16, 2024 1:59 am

steelmann58 wrote:
Tue Jan 16, 2024 1:58 am
I don't see Mason coming back here just an opion

I wouldn't even entertain an offer from the Steelers if I was Mason, once they signed Trubs and drafted Pickett he got zero opportunity to be the starter, and he is probably the best of all 3 and knows it.

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Post by sinceiwas4 » Tue Jan 16, 2024 2:03 am

StillerDownSouth wrote:
Tue Jan 16, 2024 1:48 am
sinceiwas4 wrote:
Tue Jan 16, 2024 1:45 am
finish rebuilding the oline and let mason and/or kenny have a season with actual nfl offense then decide what to do at qb

I would take Baker over all 3 QB's on Steelers this year, I doubt Tampa will franchise Baker, don't think it would cost too much more to sign him over Mason.


fine if not much money or if mason walks or prices himself out but point is not to sink alot of cap into qb until new oc and oline in place then decide for 2025. best case overall is still that Pickett shows up confident in new system as he's the cheapest option rn. rookie qb contract opens up window in modern nfl if rookie doesnt lose you games

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Post by tbsteel » Tue Jan 16, 2024 2:06 am

StillerDownSouth wrote:
Tue Jan 16, 2024 1:58 am
tbsteel wrote:
Tue Jan 16, 2024 1:56 am
Trade down in the late first/early second to pick up an extra top 60 pick.

Use that extra pick on a QB while addressing your other needs. Maybe a Spencer Rattler type? I mean, whoever we'd pick we'll hate at that point.

You basically have to keep trying to hit at QB every season. You can't stop until you get it right.

You cannot just hope to re-sign Mason at a decent backup QB price and have him and Kenny battle it out. They have to bring in someone else.

Absolutely, I just don't think Mason is the answer either, they should have found that out the season after Ben retired instead of wasting a 1st rounder on KP8.
Agreed.

Mason's biggest issues:

1. Poor pocket awareness and feel. Some guys have it and some guys don't. He doesn't have it.

2. Slow processing the leads to him consistently holding onto the ball a second or two longer than he has time to get away with.

3. Still has rough footwork.

4. Doesn't have a great arm.

5. Like lil ken, when he misses, it's usually high.

He's twice the player Pickett is, but yeah, he's a solid backup level player at best.
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Post by Smashmouth21 » Tue Jan 16, 2024 2:09 am

Cut Trashbisky.

Sign Mason to a reasonable Batch 2.0 contract or let him go and replace him with a FA backup.

Draft another QB wherever the BPA value makes sense (I would not trade up unless absolutely sold on a prospect).

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Post by StillerDownSouth » Tue Jan 16, 2024 2:19 am

Pickett is not the answer, he has started 24 games in 2 years and didn't finish 5 of them, and worse than that has thrown 13 TD passes, I don't give a shit who his coaches were, that is ass awful, and he's fragile as well.

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Post by sinceiwas4 » Tue Jan 16, 2024 2:28 am

StillerDownSouth wrote:
Tue Jan 16, 2024 2:19 am
Pickett is not the answer, he has started 24 games in 2 years and didn't finish 5 of them, and worse than that has thrown 13 TD passes, I don't give a shit who his coaches were, that is ass awful, and he's fragile as well.
you may not care who his coach was calling and designing his offense but it simply does matter. a HoF qb wasnt able to do anything better in the same offense until he ignored said offense at the end of the games. it matters. he may never be a winner he may have been ruined or he may yet excel but we cant know yet because tomlin was too loyal to canada concussions shouldnt count as fragile qualifiers otherwise yes being hurt too often is a fair point in evaluating any player

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Post by Steelperch » Tue Jan 16, 2024 2:33 am

StillerDownSouth wrote:
Tue Jan 16, 2024 1:38 am
What should the Steelers do at QB for next year....

1. Re-sign Mason and tell him he will compete for starter with KP8 and draft a QB in later rounds.

2. Trade up in the draft and take a QB

3. Sign a free agent like Cousins or Baker

I vote for option 3, KP8 and Mason are better suited as back ups, I would throw some serious cash at Baker, dude has a good arm and a lot of heart, and yes he's a giant douche, but being a lifelong Sooner fan, he's pretty good when he's your douche.
Anything would be better than bringing back the two QBs we have on the roster. I’m in favor of a complete rebuild. Gut the high priced vets, have a bad year and rebuild next year.

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Post by RemoAZ » Tue Jan 16, 2024 2:41 am

sinceiwas4 wrote:
Tue Jan 16, 2024 2:28 am
StillerDownSouth wrote:
Tue Jan 16, 2024 2:19 am
Pickett is not the answer, he has started 24 games in 2 years and didn't finish 5 of them, and worse than that has thrown 13 TD passes, I don't give a shit who his coaches were, that is ass awful, and he's fragile as well.
you may not care who his coach was calling and designing his offense but it simply does matter. a HoF qb wasnt able to do anything better in the same offense until he ignored said offense at the end of the games. it matters. he may never be a winner he may have been ruined or he may yet excel but we cant know yet because tomlin was too loyal to canada concussions shouldnt count as fragile qualifiers otherwise yes being hurt too often is a fair point in evaluating any player
Ben Johnson is winning with Jared Goff. That's how much coaching matters.
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Post by StillerDownSouth » Tue Jan 16, 2024 2:49 am

Jared Goff > KP8...and it's not really even close.

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Post by StillerDownSouth » Tue Jan 16, 2024 2:58 am

Guess they could always bring back Josh Dobbs on the cheap as well, he too is > than KP8

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Post by franco32 » Tue Jan 16, 2024 3:10 am

I have to think if Tomlin walks the new coach is going to look hard for a QB. I could see a trade back in the late first or a 2nd round pick being used on a QB.

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Post by DumlinBumlinStumlin » Tue Jan 16, 2024 3:34 am

StillerDownSouth wrote:
Tue Jan 16, 2024 1:58 am
tbsteel wrote:
Tue Jan 16, 2024 1:56 am
Trade down in the late first/early second to pick up an extra top 60 pick.

Use that extra pick on a QB while addressing your other needs. Maybe a Spencer Rattler type? I mean, whoever we'd pick we'll hate at that point.

You basically have to keep trying to hit at QB every season. You can't stop until you get it right.

You cannot just hope to re-sign Mason at a decent backup QB price and have him and Kenny battle it out. They have to bring in someone else.

Absolutely, I just don't think Mason is the answer either, they should have found that out the season after Ben retired instead of wasting a 1st rounder on KP8.
Or let Kenny sit his rookie year and watch. Mason should have been playing that year
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Post by cop1211 » Tue Jan 16, 2024 3:54 am

Pickett will be the starter, they’ll see what he can do with a new oc.

Draft a center, and a right tackle, in the first and second, or second and third depending on who’s available to fix the line for Pickett/ whoever will be the QB in the future.

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Post by Greeksteel » Tue Jan 16, 2024 4:38 am

My first choice would be to draft our next QB after building up the rest of the roster but as to the OP...Kirk Cousins anyone?

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