Lamar

[Steeldrama]

Lamar Jackson or Russell Wilson?
(Duh)

Lamar is an absolute JOY to watch play football.

VERY easy to pile on to the Tomlin vitriol after losing 3 games in 11 days in embarrassing fashion.

Nope

I’m not here to do that (too easy)

However

I am going to spend the rest of my existence blaming Tomlin for passing on Lamar Jackson back in 2018

Ohh I’m quite sure lazy ass Kevin Colbert failed to visualize what Lamar COULD blossom into.

Perhaps more likely, KC quickly concluded that Tomlin wasn’t qualified to help Lamar fulfil his immense (obvious) ceiling as a FOOTBALL player.

Sure it was an organizational fail to recognize that a 20 year old athletic phenom was just sitting there at the end of round 1 ready to succeed a soon to be washed Big Ben, but it goes deeper than a bunch of old timers on a decade long cruise control type of failure.

Lamar’s ceiling was easy to see.

So was his floor.

But I shouted it in 2018 and I’ll shout it again that taking a SMALL gamble on that ceiling was beyond worth the dice roll at pick 28 (Kenny Pickett was drafted with the 20th pick. LET THAT SINK IN).

Yep

Colbert was a problem.

Grading Mason Rudolph (and James Washington) as 1st round picks after seeing them play vs Pitt one freaking time was a PROBLEM (holy lazy and BLIND).

Drafting Kenny Pickett in ANY round let alone pick 20 was a PROBLEM (and sooo dumb).

But

THE real problem is Mike Tomlin.

Drafting Terrell Edmunds over a POTENTIAL franchise changing qb all because a kid is from Virginia is beyond damning to Tomlin’s legacy (Yes, I know NHALS is his legacy).

THAT decision to me damns Tomlin (even more than his current 0-7 playoff losing streak)

Franchise crippling mistake.

Tomlin

Mike TOMLIN

“Egotistical ‘sum bitch”

How has one mediocre man’s ego gone soooo unchecked nye these many years?

Not so rhetorical answer?

Art Rooney #2.

ZERO accountability

That man is not worthy of his Grand Daddy’s name.

NHALS

3 head coaches since 1969.

That’s his headstone.

There won’t be a Lombardi Trophy sketched anywhere near that rock.

Lousy thug

Go Lamar!
Go Dawgs!!
Go Najee!!!
Go Georgie!!!!
Go Russ!!!!!!
Go Uncle Artie!!!!!!
Go Skenes!!!!!!!
GOOOOO LIVVYYY!!!!!!!!!

[DumlinBumlinStumlin]

There are no pieces of Mike Tomlin memorabilia in my Steeler collection. No one should have any, period

[Deebo]

Couple of things:

1) The Steelers' environment would not be conducive to what Lamar needed. Do you think if LJ was drafted by us he's the same player he is today? Hahaha

2) It's no surprise the Steelers invested in DEFENSE (Terrell Edmunds) instead of drafting the QB of the future. Colbert's drafts sucked cock the past 7-8 years)

[DumlinBumlinStumlin]

We have a guy who thinks the offense is there to cash in a turnover within the red zone. Calls the Kicker the MVP, thinks his shit doesn't stink

When exposed on TV time and time again, he never takes the full blame.

LJ would be out of the league or traded if we had him

[franco32]

LJ has a great organization (great drafting) and a very good head coach who hires competent assistants, and he still may never win a SB because of his limitations. He would absolutely SUCK in Pittsburgh.

[Steeldrama]

He would absolutely SUCK in Pittsburgh.

This was the sort of lazy, kneejerk response I was anticipating

But it's not the poster's fault he feels that way.

This type of response is merited and reflective of the organization it stems from.

No vision
No foresight
No risk

That's the root of the problem

I know gawd damn well that Tomlin was incapable of turning Lamar into the superstar he is today.

That’s how I rationalized and coped when the Steelers stupidly passed on him (for Terrell Edmunds OMG).

And THAT boys and girls is the problem.

Tomlin is not just accepted by Art Rooney II, he’s revered, coveted, and cherished.

Football

For me it’s an entertaining interlude from a busy, fulfilling, life.

Didn’t used to be that way.

Under Cowher, football was an obsession.

LOVED that man.

LOVED the Steelers.

I had the upmost confidence that Cowher and the rest of the DAN Rooney run organization knew what they were doing (Yes they had their warts).

The example of not drafting Lamar sums up Mike Tomlin

He couldn’t see it

OR worse and more likely, He saw it, but had no clue how to make it work.

Lamar’s passing rating 121.6 passer nearly as good as Aaron Rodgers all time mark of 122.5 set way back in 2011.

So what?

Johnny Harbs has many coaching warts as well including getting bested by a dolt like Tomlin 8 of the last 10

BUT

Here’s the separator

Todd Monken

Harbaugh upgraded from his Greg Roman binky to help take Lamar and the Ravens offense to the best in the NFL.

So while you can take solace KNOWING that Lamar wouldn't have worked in Pittsburgh, I'll lament that the REASON Lamar would not have worked in Pittsburgh is STILL IN Pittsburgh.

[LakecrestSteeler]

He would absolutely SUCK in Pittsburgh.

This was the sort of lazy, kneejerk response I was anticipating

But it's not the poster's fault he feels that way.

This type of response is merited and reflective of the organization it stems from.

No vision
No foresight
No risk

That's the root of the problem

I know gawd damn well that Tomlin was incapable of turning Lamar into the superstar he is today.

That’s how I rationalized and coped when the Steelers stupidly passed on him (for Terrell Edmunds OMG).

And THAT boys and girls is the problem.

Tomlin is not just accepted by Art Rooney II, he’s revered, coveted, and cherished.

Football

For me it’s an entertaining interlude from a busy, fulfilling, life.

Didn’t used to be that way.

Under Cowher, football was an obsession.

LOVED that man.

LOVED the Steelers.

I had the upmost confidence that Cowher and the rest of the DAN Rooney run organization knew what they were doing (Yes they had their warts).

The example of not drafting Lamar sums up Mike Tomlin

He couldn’t see it

OR worse and more likely, He saw it, but had no clue how to make it work.

Lamar’s passing rating 121.6 passer nearly as good as Aaron Rodgers all time mark of 122.5 set way back in 2011.

So what?

Johnny Harbs has many coaching warts as well including getting bested by a dolt like Tomlin 8 of the last 10

BUT

Here’s the separator

Todd Monken

Harbaugh upgraded from his Greg Roman binky to help take Lamar and the Ravens offense to the best in the NFL.

So while you can take solace KNOWING that Lamar wouldn't have worked in Pittsburgh, I'll lament that the REASON Lamar would not have worked in Pittsburgh is STILL IN Pittsburgh.

Summary. Art Rooney shoulders plenty of blame for not pushing Tomlin and Colbert, and not supporting both of them. I get the feeling they are on islands and could use support and help from an owner. Nobody thrives on an island.

Colbert was worse than we think!

Tomlin is absolutely horrible picking coaches and assistants, and therefore talent!

[LakecrestSteeler]

@Steeldrama What does LJ have that Fields doesn’t have or vice versa?

[LakecrestSteeler]

LJ has a great organization (great drafting) and a very good head coach who hires competent assistants, and he still may never win a SB because of his limitations. He would absolutely SUCK in Pittsburgh.

little bit of a dangling modifier there. LJ's limitations or Harbaugh's? the correct answer is probably both.

What are LJ's limitations? He could not beat the Steelers was the biggest one. He keeps putting limitations to bed however.

And he is losing weight and getting faster; he has so much respect in the league, and so much speed, he will never be hurt again, as nobody will ever lay a good smack on him....won't take the correct angle due to speed, and if they do get there, they will pull up out of respect.

[bradshaw2ben]

@Steeldrama What does LJ have that Fields doesn’t have or vice versa?

Everything? Everything in terms of playing QB in the NFL, at least.
Pocket feel
Accuracy
Leadership
Understanding coverage
Ball handling

[LakecrestSteeler]

@Steeldrama What does LJ have that Fields doesn’t have or vice versa?

Everything? Everything in terms of playing QB in the NFL, at least.
Pocket feel
Accuracy
Leadership
Understanding coverage
Ball handling

I don’t think LJ had all that when he first came in. Are you saying if they both went to the same incubator in the NFL at the same time, LJ is the only winner that comes out of the incubator?

[bradshaw2ben]

Lamar has been better at every level of football and at every stage of his career. Could he have overcome the Bears and the Steelers Neanderthal QB development? Probably not… but I should think you’ve seen enough Fields to know he’s not the answer to anything.

[SteelerDayTrader]

@Steeldrama What does LJ have that Fields doesn’t have or vice versa?

Lolololz

[Steelperch]

Lamar Jackson or Russell Wilson?
(Duh)

Lamar is an absolute JOY to watch play football.

VERY easy to pile on to the Tomlin vitriol after losing 3 games in 11 days in embarrassing fashion.

Nope

I’m not here to do that (too easy)

However

I am going to spend the rest of my existence blaming Tomlin for passing on Lamar Jackson back in 2018

Ohh I’m quite sure lazy ass Kevin Colbert failed to visualize what Lamar COULD blossom into.

Perhaps more likely, KC quickly concluded that Tomlin wasn’t qualified to help Lamar fulfil his immense (obvious) ceiling as a FOOTBALL player.

Sure it was an organizational fail to recognize that a 20 year old athletic phenom was just sitting there at the end of round 1 ready to succeed a soon to be washed Big Ben, but it goes deeper than a bunch of old timers on a decade long cruise control type of failure.

Lamar’s ceiling was easy to see.

So was his floor.

But I shouted it in 2018 and I’ll shout it again that taking a SMALL gamble on that ceiling was beyond worth the dice roll at pick 28 (Kenny Pickett was drafted with the 20th pick. LET THAT SINK IN).

Yep

Colbert was a problem.

Grading Mason Rudolph (and James Washington) as 1st round picks after seeing them play vs Pitt one freaking time was a PROBLEM (holy lazy and BLIND).

Drafting Kenny Pickett in ANY round let alone pick 20 was a PROBLEM (and sooo dumb).

But

THE real problem is Mike Tomlin.

Drafting Terrell Edmunds over a POTENTIAL franchise changing qb all because a kid is from Virginia is beyond damning to Tomlin’s legacy (Yes, I know NHALS is his legacy).

THAT decision to me damns Tomlin (even more than his current 0-7 playoff losing streak)

Franchise crippling mistake.

Tomlin

Mike TOMLIN

“Egotistical ‘sum bitch”

How has one mediocre man’s ego gone soooo unchecked nye these many years?

Not so rhetorical answer?

Art Rooney #2.

ZERO accountability

That man is not worthy of his Grand Daddy’s name.

NHALS

3 head coaches since 1969.

That’s his headstone.

There won’t be a Lombardi Trophy sketched anywhere near that rock.

Lousy thug

Go Lamar!
Go Dawgs!!
Go Najee!!!
Go Georgie!!!!
Go Russ!!!!!!
Go Uncle Artie!!!!!!
Go Skenes!!!!!!!
GOOOOO LIVVYYY!!!!!!!!!

I think you’re wrong about Colbert. He was enamored with Lamar and took yearly trips to Louisville to watch him
In person every year of his collegiate career. I think the issue was they were still straddling the line of winning one more with Ben and drafting the next QB. Colbert was high on Lamar and Mahomes, didn’t get either and panicked for Kenny when it was too late to get somebody he was high on.

[Obviously]

I think Lamar would be great under Tomlin. Both of them do well in the regular season and then shit the bed in the postseason.

[CKSteeler]

You know, I'll eat my hat if Lamar ever wins a Super Bowl.

The team could have made a really bold move and traded up for Mahomes like a few crazy voices suggested. Chiefs did it, after all.

I don't regret passing on Jackson, and I don't care how many MVP's he wins. He's the Mike Tomlin of QB's. The shit he does well doesn't work in the post-season. And I say that knowing he may well get one of his few post-season highligths in a curb stomping of Mike Tomlin's weak ass defense in a few weeks time.

No, fuck the idea that they should have drafted Jackson who wouldn't even be close to the same guy if he was saddled with the likes of Randy Fitchner and Matt Canada as his offensive coordinator.