Moore seeks release

[Steelafan77]

Wide receiver Lance Moore, unhappy with his playing time, has asked the Pittsburgh Steelers to release him from his contract, sources told ESPN NFL Insider Adam Schefter on Monday. http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/12266 ... rs-release

Wouldn't have to ask me for his release. Thought dude was as good as gone already. About as useless as a one legged man in an ass kicking contest anyways. Good riddance.

[86n96]

Wide receiver Lance Moore, unhappy with his playing time, has asked the Pittsburgh Steelers to release him from his contract, sources told ESPN NFL Insider Adam Schefter on Monday. http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/12266 ... rs-release

Wouldn't have to ask me for his release. Thought dude was as good as gone already. About as useless as a one legged man in an ass kicking contest anyways. Good riddance.

That's a little harsh. He was a good vet to have in a room full of young receivers. Things didn't work out how either side had hoped. Shit happens. On the bright side, KC was wrong again, as usual.

[Steelafan77]

So they paid a guy $3Mil to be a good film study/locker room guy? Panic much? Bad business IMO. AB is about the hardest working WR in the league, if not The hardest working and as the hardest working AB leads by example. Why sign Moore again? With Antonio on the roster breaking records weekly Moore was an oversight and as a result he hardly saw the field. Moore wasn't even good enough to play in front of Wheaton. So why continue to have him on the roster? Harsh or not that $3Mil could have been used in another area of need. Defense would have been a better place to spend $3Mil. JMO

[cop1211]

He should be thanking the Steelers for not pressing theft charges for his salary, because he stole it.
GTFO.

[955876]

Can his girlfriend stay though??

[Kodiak]

He was insurance not knowing what Wheaton or Bryant would bring. Ben was raving (legit, it seemed) about Moore in the preseason and I don't know why he didn't get more opportunities.

AB and, I think, Bryant are studs. Wheaton I'm still unsold. But with Bell and Miller (whom I'd seek to upgrade) we are pretty much talking depth. Guys like Moore are a dime a dozen - if he's unhappy no sweat I cut him. I saw nothing that makes me think he's worth $500-$600k above vet min as a backup.

KC used to talk about how it took 2+ years for Ben to get in sync with Cotchery. That's bullshit. Moore is a below average vet JAG. Cotchery had that fluke year, but he was always clearly more impressive than Moore last year.

[bradshaw2ben]

Lance Moore got $1.5M. But carry on.

[Steelafan77]

Reason I listed the $3Mil B2B was that's the entirety of his contract over two years. Money not well invested IMO. I'd have rather seen that kind of scratch go to the defensive side of the ball. Secondary?

I didn't really like the signing when it happened. Moore certainly (either through scheme or otherwise) didn't exactly play up to the contract's worth. Moore is a 31 year old smurf, JAG that couldn't even beat out Wheaton who is still a WIP but is 7 years younger. I guess the insurance was incase of injury or someone not panning out? Awful lot of scratch to pay for "vet leadership" even though as it turns out there's plenty of that within the WR'ing corp. JMO

[86n96]

Reason I listed the $3Mil B2B was that's the entirety of his contract over two years. Money not well invested IMO. I'd have rather seen that kind of scratch go to the defensive side of the ball. Secondary?

I didn't really like the signing when it happened. Moore certainly (either through scheme or otherwise) didn't exactly play up to the contract's worth. Moore is a 31 year old smurf, JAG that couldn't even beat out Wheaton who is still a WIP but is 7 years younger. I guess the insurance was incase of injury or someone not panning out? Awful lot of scratch to pay for "vet leadership" even though as it turns out there's plenty of that within the WR'ing corp. JMO

How many 2 year deals actually last that long? So you would've been ok with an inconsistent Wheaton and unproven 6th and 4th rounders? Like I said, it didn't work out how either side wanted...I doubt that Colbert's goal was to overpay for lockerroom presence.

And, he spent a good chunk of change in the secondary. No one expected Tez To fall off a cliff. Overpaying Moore was definitely not what lost us the wild card game.

[Legacy User]

Coming into last season at WR we had AB and a bunch of unproven young guys. We let Sanders and Cotch go. The Steelers naturally enough felt they wanted to bring in a vet in case the young guys didn't work out. Just because the young guys (and Heath and Bell) worked out better than Moore doesn't mean the Steelers were wrong for signing him. I don't see a reason for criticizing the Steelers here, I don't see a reason to criticize Moore here, nor criticize Moore for thinking he can contribute more and wanting to do so on another team.

Man, guys really enjoy criticizing the Steelers in hindsight. I wonder how long your marriages would last if you acted this way toward your wives.

"Now, dear, you spent this much money on this which at the time seemed reasonable, but it didn't pan out, so you really should have known better." Okay, I'd like to see that conversation.

[Legacy User]

He was insurance not knowing what Wheaton or Bryant would bring. Ben was raving (legit, it seemed) about Moore in the preseason and I don't know why he didn't get more opportunities.

When he got one of his first if not his first reception and a personal foul Mikey Tomlin bellowed: "You used all the glue....on purpose!". I dont think Moore ever really got out of that dog house.

You can bet in the same roster situation that we were in after Lev Bell got hurt that a smart coach like Belicheat would had used Moore like a Welker until he broke. Mike was too pissed off at him to even consider using him like a potential hero. One and done.

[swissvale72]

Should've had a hat for the playoff game, getting DHB's 20 snaps.

[Steelafan77]

There were other options out there. Moore wasn't in New Orleans for a reason. He was easily upgraded. You can refer to it hindsight criticizing, I'm good with that. I call it not doing enough forward thinking or Developing younger players. This is what seems to plague this team something bad. Over paying JAG vets and slowing the developmental process for younger players is a standard here I guess. JMO

BTW, how did Wheaton do this past season? He came into 2014 as an unknown due to mostly not seeing field for some freak hand/finger injury. Wheaton showed a lot of promise this past season. He was far better as a return guy than what they had back there too (sans AB). Something I had been curious about to. Question answered. Wheaton came up a long way proving to be a dual threat as a WR and return man. Something Moore can not compete with.

I admit Bryant was a wild card and neither I or anyone else knew Bryant was going to catch 8 TD's in 10 games. Bonus!

Moore made some contributions but nothing I thought was worthy of anything beyond what JAG contributes. Hammer me if you so desire to. Moore obviously isn't happy with his role in Pittsburgh so I say accommodate his desire to move on. No loss.

[Legacy User]

Should've had a hat for the playoff game, getting DHB's 20 snaps.

Exactly, he would had been a real chain mover. The defense would have had to adjust to him which opens up everything else. Nobody adjusts for DHB.

[Steelafan77]

Moore hasn't been and never will be in the same category with Wes Welker. Their stats prove it. To assume Moore could even approach what Welker has done is speculative and a reach.

http://www.nfl.com/player/lancemoore/25 ... areerstats

http://www.nfl.com/player/weswelker/2505790/careerstats

I do agree having Heyward-Bey on the field cost the offense because he too is JAG with suspect hands to boot. Hindsight suggests Moore could have been the better option there but we'll never know for certain. It becomes subjective speculation.

[swissvale72]

Moore hasn't been and never will be in the same category with Wes Welker. Their stats prove it. To assume Moore could even approach what Welker has done is speculative and a reach.

http://www.nfl.com/player/lancemoore/25 ... areerstats

http://www.nfl.com/player/weswelker/2505790/careerstats

I do agree having Heyward-Bey on the field cost the offense because he too is JAG with suspect hands to boot. Hindsight suggests Moore could have been the better option there but we'll never know for certain. It becomes subjective speculation.

Yeah, could call it hindsight or speculation, '77, but here's what we know.

DHB, in four of the previous five games, was on the field for zero or one offensive snaps. Moore was clearly ahead of him on the depth charts. They had to have known they were going to be running four wides a fair amount of the time against Baltimore. That being the case, WHY sit the guy you know is the better option, even if that means he's a better JAG than the other JAG??

[Steelcody7]

Why do we keep re-posting old stories?

[Legacy User]

Moore wasn't in New Orleans for a reason. No loss.

That' some mighty weak tea there Hoss. I never use the "for a reason" reason because it doesn't bring clarity and ignores circumstance such as for example salary cap.

Moore hasn't been and never will be in the same category with Wes Welker. Their stats prove it. To assume Moore could even approach what Welker has done is speculative and a reach.

http://www.nfl.com/player/lancemoore/25 ... areerstats

http://www.nfl.com/player/weswelker/2505790/careerstats

I do agree having Heyward-Bey on the field cost the offense because he too is JAG with suspect hands to boot. Hindsight suggests Moore could have been the better option there but we'll never know for certain. It becomes subjective speculation.

The Bell RB replacements had no where near the pedigree that Moore has as an NFLer. That isn't even questioned. The same goes for Moore v DHB. Once again without question.

Nobody said he would lead the league in receptions but he was a better option in the short game than either mop that was sent in to replace Bell. I will never believe otherwise. Ben should had played 4 yard pitch and catch with him all day until Moore couldn't stand the pain anymore.

[Steelafan77]

Still remains what ever the reason being the Saints weren't comfortable with resigning Moore to even a vet minimum contract. We can speculate "reason's" all day. The facts are that when called upon Moore made JAG contributions. This to me is why he saw the field in a limited form for the Steelers. Not to mention the progress of Wheaton and the emergence of Bryant. Moore obviously isn't happy with the #4-5 role.

Speculating Moore could have played better in spots (short passing game) is no different than what I've said is the reason why he was a FA in the first place and limited in production in the Burgh. An impasse if you like. The fact Moore wants to play a less limited role contributing what he feels is his ability is great. Does that mean the Steelers should reduce development of Wheaton and/or Bryant as a result? I hope not.

Moore wants out so he can essentially sign somewhere else (likely for a one year deal) to prove his desire to contribute more. At 31 (one very good 1,000+yd season to his name in a Brees/Payton concept offense) he's still likely to be competing for a #4-5 spot on another team. Whats the difference? He wants out, let him go.

[Steelafan77]

Moore hasn't been and never will be in the same category with Wes Welker. Their stats prove it. To assume Moore could even approach what Welker has done is speculative and a reach.

http://www.nfl.com/player/lancemoore/25 ... areerstats

http://www.nfl.com/player/weswelker/2505790/careerstats

I do agree having Heyward-Bey on the field cost the offense because he too is JAG with suspect hands to boot. Hindsight suggests Moore could have been the better option there but we'll never know for certain. It becomes subjective speculation.

Yeah, could call it hindsight or speculation, '77, but here's what we know.

DHB, in four of the previous five games, was on the field for zero or one offensive snaps. Moore was clearly ahead of him on the depth charts. They had to have known they were going to be running four wides a fair amount of the time against Baltimore. That being the case, WHY sit the guy you know is the better option, even if that means he's a better JAG than the other JAG??

No one can know that for certain except Mr. Tomlin.

[Kodiak]

Ben has historically spread the ball around pretty liberally and indiscriminately....that he flat ignored those two tells you EVERYTHING you need to know about their future. And how many plays did the braintrust on the sidelines have BOTH of them on the field against BAL?

[Steelafan77]

At least Heyward-Bey offered ST's ability as does Wheaton. Moore does not. Release him.

[86n96]

I don't think anyone is saying we shouldn't release him.

[K_C_]

Yeah, you dumbfuck mook I was wrong.



Moore and Heyward-Bey didn't replace Cotchery in any way, shape or form.

We got lucky that Bryant played great from the start, but in games where we could have really, really used a veteran receiver to step forward.....these guys gave us nothing.

Zero.

Nada.

Yeah....I never saw that coming.

I had hope Moore would have chemistry with Ben, but as I warned when Cotchery left, it can take awhile for Ben and his receiver to pull shit together.

Yep.

[Kodiak]

I had hope Moore would have chemistry with Ben, but as I warned when Cotchery left, it can take awhile for Ben and his receiver to pull shit together.

Yep.

That didn't happened with ROOKIE receivers, Brown, Sanders and Bryant...or Holmes. Sorry, but Cotchery last year was a fluke, though he clearly is better than DHB and Moore.

It's also scary to think how little Bryant may have seen the field if they brought back Cotchery.

Should have kept Moye

[Legacy User]

Still remains what ever the reason being the Saints weren't comfortable with resigning Moore to even a vet minimum contract. We can speculate "reason's" all day. The facts are that when called upon Moore made JAG contributions. This to me is why he saw the field in a limited form for the Steelers. Not to mention the progress of Wheaton and the emergence of Bryant. Moore obviously isn't happy with the #4-5 role.

Speculating Moore could have played better in spots (short passing game) is no different than what I've said is the reason why he was a FA in the first place and limited in production in the Burgh. An impasse if you like. The fact Moore wants to play a less limited role contributing what he feels is his ability is great. Does that mean the Steelers should reduce development of Wheaton and/or Bryant as a result? I hope not.

Moore wants out so he can essentially sign somewhere else (likely for a one year deal) to prove his desire to contribute more. At 31 (one very good 1,000+yd season to his name in a Brees/Payton concept offense) he's still likely to be competing for a #4-5 spot on another team. Whats the difference? He wants out, let him go.

My point was as "one guy" likes to say is situational football. Without Bell the situation at RB is tenuous at best. Employing teh very shirt passing game is one way to augment the run game an to open up other passing options.

As far as Moore '15 is concerned, as Stalin would say, no man, no problem

[Steelafan77]

I agree Edsal. After Bell went out injured the offense suffered a cruel and unusual punishment. Would Moore have made a difference that might have over come that? While possible I think it unlikely. We will never know. Moot? He wants out? Let him walk.

[K_C_]

I had hope Moore would have chemistry with Ben, but as I warned when Cotchery left, it can take awhile for Ben and his receiver to pull shit together.

Yep.

That didn't happened with ROOKIE receivers, Brown, Sanders and Bryant...or Holmes. Sorry, but Cotchery last year was a fluke, though he clearly is better than DHB and Moore.

It's also scary to think how little Bryant may have seen the field if they brought back Cotchery.

Should have kept Moye

We should have kept Moye...over Justin fucking Brown. That one's easy.

I seriously doubt Cotchery would have taken a ton of snaps away from Bryant. Wheaton is another story.

I think all 4 guys would have played plenty and the WR corps would have been a lot better for it.

We BADLY lacked what Cotchery would have brought.

[Steelafan77]

While I agree KC I think it wasn't the WR's that caused a failed situation. It was no RB depth behind Bell after Blount was released. Was the best scenario for Blount to be released. Now he has a Super Bowl Ring.

[Kodiak]

I can fault the coaches for not dressing Moore, but the OL needed to rise to the challenge and they didn't. I guess they are who we thought they were.