OC staying around a Bit

[steelmann58]

according to Mike Briles Tweet
Ed Bouchette of PG reports that Steelers signed offensive coordinator Todd Haley to a 2-year extension (through 2016). #timesfb #steelers

[BethlehemSteel]

As one who crowed for his departure, he's finally taken heed of who is throwing the ball and we saw much progression this year. But we are still not there yet.

Show me more Mr. Golfer

[Legacy User]

Good...

Goes to show you don't have to play a sport to coach it. Also shows how valuable it is to have a great RB and serviceable offensive line.

Offense trending up with Haley

[Steelcody7]

I was one of his biggest haters.

He earned the extension this past season.

[14Thumb]

I somewhat agree that he earned it during the regular season, but his gameplan for the Ravens sucked balls and soured me on what took place during the season.

[Steelcody7]

I somewhat agree that he earned it during the regular season, but his gameplan for the Ravens sucked balls and soured me on what took place during the season.

That's what you should expect when losing our team (should be league too) MVP before our biggest game.

[steelmann58]

very hard to replace about 35-40 % of the offense with a guy signed four days before and UDFA and 3 Round Bust.

[14Thumb]

When you lose your team MVP, you gameplan to include your Pro Bowl receiver and other stout offensive weapons. You don't focus on your newly acquired back and two other unproven backs. Ridiculous decision and it cost them the game. It's more of the same mantra of "we do what we do regardless of who's in there." That doesn't work and the Steelers proved that on Saturday night.

[Gonzo]

phase 1 -- complete
phase 2 - bring the old farts back

[Fury]

When you lose your team MVP, you gameplan to include your Pro Bowl receiver and other stout offensive weapons. You don't focus on your newly acquired back and two other unproven backs. Ridiculous decision and it cost them the game. It's more of the same mantra of "we do what we do regardless of who's in there." That doesn't work and the Steelers proved that on Saturday night.

Correct. We really had two signature victories this season: Indy and Baltimore # 2. Look at Bell's stats for Balt # 2: 20 yards rushing and 38 yards receiving and 1 TD. We won that game other ways. Against Indy, He did not score but had 92 yards rushing and 56 yards receiving with a good chunk (over half) of his rushes and yardage in the 3rd and 4th quarters when the game was a blow out. He just wasn't a big factor in those games.

The offense destroyed two quality playoff teams back to back with what was a really limited use of Bell. This playoff game was certainly winnable without Bell in the huddle. That comes down to game planning. Bell being hurt is a convenient excuse to rationalize a shitty performance.

[Legacy User]

I'd feel a lot better about it if we'd stop using the first half of the season as a glorified preseason.

That said, the second half of the season was very much improved. Still some warts in spots, but much improved. My issue is that same pattern developing year after year of sucking in the first half of the season, then pulling shit together in the second half.

Yes, I'd rather be better in the second half in time for playoffs than in the first half, but if you suck too bad in the first half, the second half no longer matters (see 2013).

[Legacy User]

Uh Oh, someone is getting a case of Bud Light and a rent boy for his wife.

I read things like HOF QB, best RB in the NFL, top 3 receiving corp in the NFL, PFF has the Oline as top 5- And we didn't get into the endzone until the fourth qter of win or die. Much of that was performance, not coaching, but settling for FGs early killed this team all year.

[Gonzo]

just win TOP, baby!

[Steelcody7]

When you lose your team MVP, you gameplan to include your Pro Bowl receiver and other stout offensive weapons. You don't focus on your newly acquired back and two other unproven backs. Ridiculous decision and it cost them the game. It's more of the same mantra of "we do what we do regardless of who's in there." That doesn't work and the Steelers proved that on Saturday night.

Correct. We really had two signature victories this season: Indy and Baltimore # 2. Look at Bell's stats for Balt # 2: 20 yards rushing and 38 yards receiving and 1 TD. We won that game other ways. Against Indy, He did not score but had 92 yards rushing and 56 yards receiving with a good chunk (over half) of his rushes and yardage in the 3rd and 4th quarters when the game was a blow out. He just wasn't a big factor in those games.

The offense destroyed two quality playoff teams back to back with what was a really limited use of Bell. This playoff game was certainly winnable without Bell in the huddle. That comes down to game planning. Bell being hurt is a convenient excuse to rationalize a shitty performance.

The threat of Bell is more valuable than you think. He had to be accounted for in those games.

[jeemie]

When you lose your team MVP, you gameplan to include your Pro Bowl receiver and other stout offensive weapons. You don't focus on your newly acquired back and two other unproven backs. Ridiculous decision and it cost them the game. It's more of the same mantra of "we do what we do regardless of who's in there." That doesn't work and the Steelers proved that on Saturday night.

Correct. We really had two signature victories this season: Indy and Baltimore # 2. Look at Bell's stats for Balt # 2: 20 yards rushing and 38 yards receiving and 1 TD. We won that game other ways. Against Indy, He did not score but had 92 yards rushing and 56 yards receiving with a good chunk (over half) of his rushes and yardage in the 3rd and 4th quarters when the game was a blow out. He just wasn't a big factor in those games.

The offense destroyed two quality playoff teams back to back with what was a really limited use of Bell. This playoff game was certainly winnable without Bell in the huddle. That comes down to game planning. Bell being hurt is a convenient excuse to rationalize a shitty performance.

The RB still has to pass block and be a threat in the pass game.

Tate didn't know the schemes and they obviously didn't trust Harris to do it. That's why we were seeing a lot of empty sets and a lot of formations with guys like Johnson in there.

And when you're getting a lot of two deep, runs and short passes are the way to combat it.

I suppose you CAN blame the coaches to not have Harris at least ready in pass pro. That was very disconcerting.

[Stosh-67]

When you lose your team MVP, you gameplan to include your Pro Bowl receiver and other stout offensive weapons. You don't focus on your newly acquired back and two other unproven backs. Ridiculous decision and it cost them the game. It's more of the same mantra of "we do what we do regardless of who's in there." That doesn't work and the Steelers proved that on Saturday night.

Correct. We really had two signature victories this season: Indy and Baltimore # 2. Look at Bell's stats for Balt # 2: 20 yards rushing and 38 yards receiving and 1 TD. We won that game other ways. Against Indy, He did not score but had 92 yards rushing and 56 yards receiving with a good chunk (over half) of his rushes and yardage in the 3rd and 4th quarters when the game was a blow out. He just wasn't a big factor in those games.

The offense destroyed two quality playoff teams back to back with what was a really limited use of Bell. This playoff game was certainly winnable without Bell in the huddle. That comes down to game planning. Bell being hurt is a convenient excuse to rationalize a shitty performance.

agree with both comments here...........
game plan was shit..............................
they needed to build a game plan around Ben, AB, Bryant, Wheaton and Heath....with a good deal of max protect built in..................a game plan around guys that got us to the dance..............and not around Tate, Harris, Archer and DHB............with alot of empty sets vs. a team that came in with 49 sacks and the top OLB sacking tandem in the NFL..........vs. average to inferior tackles
very disturbing..........
That game plan is on Tomlin and not just Haley...........

[lifelongsteel]

When you lose your team MVP, you gameplan to include your Pro Bowl receiver and other stout offensive weapons. You don't focus on your newly acquired back and two other unproven backs. Ridiculous decision and it cost them the game. It's more of the same mantra of "we do what we do regardless of who's in there." That doesn't work and the Steelers proved that on Saturday night.

Correct. We really had two signature victories this season: Indy and Baltimore # 2. Look at Bell's stats for Balt # 2: 20 yards rushing and 38 yards receiving and 1 TD. We won that game other ways. Against Indy, He did not score but had 92 yards rushing and 56 yards receiving with a good chunk (over half) of his rushes and yardage in the 3rd and 4th quarters when the game was a blow out. He just wasn't a big factor in those games.

The offense destroyed two quality playoff teams back to back with what was a really limited use of Bell. This playoff game was certainly winnable without Bell in the huddle. That comes down to game planning. Bell being hurt is a convenient excuse to rationalize a shitty performance.

agree with both comments here...........
game plan was shit..............................
they needed to build a game plan around Ben, AB, Bryant, Wheaton and Heath....with a good deal of max protect built in..................a game plan around guys that got us to the dance..............and not around Tate, Harris, Archer and DHB............with alot of empty sets vs. a team that came in with 49 sacks and the top OLB sacking tandem in the NFL..........vs. average to inferior tackles
very disturbing..........
That game plan is on Tomlin and not just Haley...........

I'm not understanding this game planning position that yinz are taking. The plan was completely built around Ben with the occasional run mixed in to try to keep the D honest. If Ben's not late on 2 throws - 1 to Bryant and 1 to Brown we aren't having this conversation.

[BethlehemSteel]

so we rewarded HaleyFore.......his playoff game plan..... I actually Think MT should be held way more accountable to signing off on that fucking turd

[jeemie]

If Ben's not late on 2 throws - 1 to Bryant and 1 to Brown we aren't having this conversation.

He actually wasn't late on the throw to Brown- I watched the replay on that backwards and forwards.

Ball was not in the air that long, either.

The play was broken up by unbelievable hustle on the safety's part.

Those who said Brown shouldn't have jumped are correct- he should not have...the safety may have been able to break the play up, but probably not- Brown's body was shielding the ball.

And if he doesn't jump, he probably is not pushed out.

Ben did miss a few other passes though...especially on that opening drive of the first quarter.

I'm finishing up my rewatch- will try and post some stuff later tonight if I can.

[Ice]

When you lose your team MVP, you gameplan to include your Pro Bowl receiver and other stout offensive weapons. You don't focus on your newly acquired back and two other unproven backs. Ridiculous decision and it cost them the game. It's more of the same mantra of "we do what we do regardless of who's in there." That doesn't work and the Steelers proved that on Saturday night.

Correct. We really had two signature victories this season: Indy and Baltimore # 2. Look at Bell's stats for Balt # 2: 20 yards rushing and 38 yards receiving and 1 TD. We won that game other ways. Against Indy, He did not score but had 92 yards rushing and 56 yards receiving with a good chunk (over half) of his rushes and yardage in the 3rd and 4th quarters when the game was a blow out. He just wasn't a big factor in those games.

The offense destroyed two quality playoff teams back to back with what was a really limited use of Bell. This playoff game was certainly winnable without Bell in the huddle. That comes down to game planning. Bell being hurt is a convenient excuse to rationalize a shitty performance.

I find it hard to blame Haley for a "we do what we do" approach. His AZ teams passed to win, his KC teams led the league in rushing. "We do what we do" predates both Haley and Tomlin.

[Legacy User]

When you lose your team MVP, you gameplan to include your Pro Bowl receiver and other stout offensive weapons. You don't focus on your newly acquired back and two other unproven backs. Ridiculous decision and it cost them the game. It's more of the same mantra of "we do what we do regardless of who's in there." That doesn't work and the Steelers proved that on Saturday night.

Yeah, Brown would have been wide open every play since the Ravens were so worried about stopping Ben Tate.

[JackLambert58]

When you lose your team MVP, you gameplan to include your Pro Bowl receiver and other stout offensive weapons. You don't focus on your newly acquired back and two other unproven backs. Ridiculous decision and it cost them the game. It's more of the same mantra of "we do what we do regardless of who's in there." That doesn't work and the Steelers proved that on Saturday night.

Correct. We really had two signature victories this season: Indy and Baltimore # 2. Look at Bell's stats for Balt # 2: 20 yards rushing and 38 yards receiving and 1 TD. We won that game other ways. Against Indy, He did not score but had 92 yards rushing and 56 yards receiving with a good chunk (over half) of his rushes and yardage in the 3rd and 4th quarters when the game was a blow out. He just wasn't a big factor in those games.

The offense destroyed two quality playoff teams back to back with what was a really limited use of Bell. This playoff game was certainly winnable without Bell in the huddle. That comes down to game planning. Bell being hurt is a convenient excuse to rationalize a shitty performance.

agree with both comments here...........
game plan was shit..............................
they needed to build a game plan around Ben, AB, Bryant, Wheaton and Heath....with a good deal of max protect built in..................a game plan around guys that got us to the dance..............and not around Tate, Harris, Archer and DHB............with alot of empty sets vs. a team that came in with 49 sacks and the top OLB sacking tandem in the NFL..........vs. average to inferior tackles
very disturbing..........
That game plan is on Tomlin and not just Haley...........

A couple of other things to consider:

1. Trenches - we lost that one big time. Not sure if that's game plan.
2. I don't blame the refs for the loss, but there were some questionable non-calls for OPI.
3. Brown brings that ball down in the EZ, and it's a different game. That's not game plan either.

[BethlehemSteel]

If Ben's not late on 2 throws - 1 to Bryant and 1 to Brown we aren't having this conversation.

He actually wasn't late on the throw to Brown- I watched the replay on that backwards and forwards.

Ball was not in the air that long, either.

The play was broken up by unbelievable hustle on the safety's part.

Those who said Brown shouldn't have jumped are correct- he should not have...the safety may have been able to break the play up, but probably not- Brown's body was shielding the ball.

And if he doesn't jump, he probably is not pushed out.

Ben did miss a few other passes though...especially on that opening drive of the first quarter.

I'm finishing up my rewatch- will try and post some stuff later tonight if I can.

can you give us some video caps too, gifs....lets see a good presentation. I'll be happy you do or try to.

[stinger8]

Does it occur to anyone that maybe its hard to execute a plan when your O line stinks and is manhandled at the line of scrimmage. When the QB gets sacked 5 times and is hurried many more and eventually gets knocked out of said game. When there is no ground game to speak of? When the veteran tight end and QB play pretty badly. Yeah all that is on the OC. When you defense is constantly getting driven on, getting no turnovers, giving up third and longs over and over. There is not 1 OC that could game plan around that. When you see your line getting bitch slapped you start calling quick passes to give your selves a chance, then get crucified for it. Face it no plan would have worked when you lose the line of scrimmage (both O and D).

[Ice]

Does it occur to anyone that maybe its hard to execute a plan when your O line stinks and is manhandled at the line of scrimmage. When the QB gets sacked 5 times and is hurried many more and eventually gets knocked out of said game. When there is no ground game to speak of? When the veteran tight end and QB play pretty badly. Yeah all that is on the OC. When you defense is constantly getting driven on, getting no turnovers, giving up third and longs over and over. There is not 1 OC that could game plan around that. When you see your line getting bitch slapped you start calling quick passes to give your selves a chance, then get crucified for it. Face it no plan would have worked when you lose the line of scrimmage (both O and D).

The offensive side of that actually sounds like a Bruce Arians game plan.

Kidding aside, you have a good point. Trench warfare, on both sides of the ball, had a big part in deciding that game.

[86n96]

When you lose your team MVP, you gameplan to include your Pro Bowl receiver and other stout offensive weapons. You don't focus on your newly acquired back and two other unproven backs. Ridiculous decision and it cost them the game. It's more of the same mantra of "we do what we do regardless of who's in there." That doesn't work and the Steelers proved that on Saturday night.

Correct. We really had two signature victories this season: Indy and Baltimore # 2. Look at Bell's stats for Balt # 2: 20 yards rushing and 38 yards receiving and 1 TD. We won that game other ways. Against Indy, He did not score but had 92 yards rushing and 56 yards receiving with a good chunk (over half) of his rushes and yardage in the 3rd and 4th quarters when the game was a blow out. He just wasn't a big factor in those games.

The offense destroyed two quality playoff teams back to back with what was a really limited use of Bell. This playoff game was certainly winnable without Bell in the huddle. That comes down to game planning. Bell being hurt is a convenient excuse to rationalize a shitty performance.

you think the ravens sold out to stop josh harris like they would've with bell?

[lifelongsteel]

I'm trying to understand the core argument here. Are people arguing that we ran too much and didn't pass enough?

[Gonzo]

I am trying to understand this Ben must be perfect line run amok.

[Legacy User]

I'm trying to understand the core argument here. Are people arguing that we ran too much and didn't pass enough?

Not sure. But I think giving Tate as many snaps as we did is telling. Tells me this team is fucking stupid.

Gonna make the guy hired off the street 4 days before the game the feature back?

WTF?

Josh Harris at least knew most of the plays.

And that handoff to Archer on 2nd and 10 or whatever the fuck it was? Man, I almost went al Qaeda on Haley cause I was thinking of strapping a bomb to myself and taking him out.

[jeemie]

Not sure. But I think giving Tate as many snaps as we did is telling.

Yes...I think it is quite telling...about Josh Harris.