another corporation buckles to Twitter outrage

[Legacy User]

http://www.marketingmagazine.co.uk/arti ... -integrity

Oh wait, they didn't, they told the whiners to go fuck themselves and are reaping profits and massive free publicity.

In related matters I am delighted by the plunge in Twitter stock. Idiots who tweet and idiots who invest in them.

[Legacy User]

Fuck corporations and twitter.

The former exist only to make money and were there not regulations keeping them in check, would promptly destroy the entire universe. The latter reinforces the millennial's notion that her or his opinion is worth something simply because she or he happens to have it.

[Steelperch]

Fuck corporations and twitter.

The former exist only to make money and were there not regulations keeping them in check, would promptly destroy the entire universe. The latter reinforces the millennial's notion that her or his opinion is worth something simply because she or he happens to have it.

Destroying the entire universe would be bad for business and profits, so I'm skeptical about your first statement.

[Legacy User]

Fuck corporations and twitter.

The former exist only to make money and were there not regulations keeping them in check, would promptly destroy the entire universe. The latter reinforces the millennial's notion that her or his opinion is worth something simply because she or he happens to have it.

Destroying the entire universe would be bad for business and profits, so I'm skeptical about your first statement.

Obviously. But the intention would not be to destroy the universe. It's just that in the unfettered quest to accumulate capital, the universe would end up getting destroyed. So I'm confident in my initial premise.

[Legacy User]

Says Lit as he types on his Mac or Windows computer via a Cisco router through a Verizon wifi...while sipping a Starbucks fair trade blend.

Too bad corporations can't be like universities where no one cares about money and days can be spent under the banyan tree discussing the pleasant odor of unicorn farts.

Oh wait, Harvard has a 40 billion dollar endowment and USC tuition is 65K a year. And the application process costs a boatload of money, and you probably won't get it.

Universities can prove they are not greedy by lowering tuition to 10K a year and all the admins and profs take a 30% pay cut.

Crickets....


Without corporations, individuals would fear unlimited liability and would not take risks...so yes I am thankful that corporations exist

That being said, some corporations like Twitter are horribly overvalued and do very little for society...we need less people expressing their vapid thoughts in 140 characters or less.

[Legacy User]

What a dreadfully irrelevant response.

First, buying something from a corporation does not make my claim untrue.
Second, being a hypocrite would (note the conditional language) not make my claim untrue.
Third, being employed by a university does not mean I don't think universities are pretend businesses that are run by money crazed administrators.
Fourth, that corporations provide useful products and make life easier does not negate my claim either.

Rules of inference, my friend.

[Legacy User]

America without corporations would be Mozambique or Belarus at best.

There are plenty of corporations I do not like and I was delighted to see the Twitter founders lose 3/4 billion in wealth.

But criticism of a corporation does not mean corporations should not exist.

Those material things you enjoy and employ would not exist if the owners had the face the risk of unlimited liability.

I would bet that at some point in our lives many of us have formed an LLC at the very least. If you own a stock or a mutual fund, and I am sure you do, you are essentially part owner of a corporation.

There are a lot of politicians I despise. That is not an argument for anarchy. It's an argument for making better choices. Same logic goes for the private sector.

[Thrillsseeker]

Says Lit as he types on his Mac or Windows computer via a Cisco router through a Verizon wifi...while sipping a Starbucks fair trade blend.

Too bad corporations can't be like universities where no one cares about money and days can be spent under the banyan tree discussing the pleasant odor of unicorn farts.

Oh wait, Harvard has a 40 billion dollar endowment and USC tuition is 65K a year. And the application process costs a boatload of money, and you probably won't get it.

Universities can prove they are not greedy by lowering tuition to 10K a year and all the admins and profs take a 30% pay cut.

Crickets....


Without corporations, individuals would fear unlimited liability and would not take risks...so yes I am thankful that corporations exist

That being said, some corporations like Twitter are horribly overvalued and do very little for society...we need less people expressing their vapid thoughts in 140 characters or less.

Best line I've read in awhile. Laughed in my office so loud it echoed.

+1 Well done sir.

[Legacy User]

As a polygender pansexual vegan walruskin, I'm offended by their representation of what it means to be "Beach Body Ready"!

[Legacy User]

I never said corporations shouldn't exist. Are you sure you were in the sciences? And what's wrong with discussing farts or doing so under trees? Especially unicorn farts.

[Havoc]

Fuck corporations and twitter.

The former exist only to make money and were there not regulations keeping them in check, would promptly destroy the entire universe. The latter reinforces the millennial's notion that her or his opinion is worth something simply because she or he happens to have it.

Destroying the entire universe would be bad for business and profits, so I'm skeptical about your first statement.

Obviously. But the intention would not be to destroy the universe. It's just that in the unfettered quest to accumulate capital, the universe would end up getting destroyed. So I'm confident in my initial premise.

That is exactly true, Lit

I am not saying corporations should not exist. But I would get rid of all of them that are not necessary. And the rest, I would watch like a hawk.

Corporations are a lot like government, you have to constantly beat them back and you better keep an eye on them at all times.

Corporations are the enemy of entrepreneurism and small businesses. Corporations extract. A significant amount of money they take in does not go back into the community where the money was spent.

[Legacy User]

The largest corporations overwhelmingly support big government. That is because they love the idea of regulatory capture and a stupid customer with deep pockets who will buy a lot of their shit.

GE spends 100K a day in lobbying. This is not because they are fine citizens who care about the country.

If you have big corporations who have too much power (and this would include the big investment banks) you ought to be in favor of small government.

Dodd Frank did nothing to punish big business and in fact made too big to fail the law of the land.

Look at who the major recipients of Wall Street cash are...people like Chuck Schumer and Hillary Clinton.

Large corporations are generally not pro free market and instead want protection from the government.

Most corporations are in fact small business and are an enormous asset to the community.

Let's not label all corporations bad or say "fuck corporations" which in fact LIt did post. Let's say "fuck Google" or "fuck Verizon" or whatever but keep the target specific and for a reason.

[Havoc]

If Walmart and Target disappear from the community, small businesses will spring up to take their place. The owner of those businesses most likely would live in the community. That means the money stays in the community.

Money spent at Walmart... a percentage goes to corporate... money that does not stay in the community.

In the 70's CEO's made 30 times more than their workers. Today, CEO's make 300 times more than their workers. This does not work for the country. It is bad for the country.

There are corporations who made their billions in this country but who have no allegiance to this country. They are an entity unto themselves.

Lit is correct.

[Legacy User]

No "fuck corporations" is something a 19 year old girl with daddy issues says at an Occupy rally between tokes and hand jobs.

It's essentially what the left considers to be an acceptable form of prejudice.

Every one of the small business you refer to are corporations too.

If you want to say "fuck large rent seeking corporations who use their size and influence to gain an advantage with the government", we are all on the same page.

But no, I am not getting on the "fuck Trader Joe's" train, because I happen to like Trader Joe's.

[R_S]

No "fuck corporations" is something a 19 year old girl with daddy issues says at an Occupy rally between tokes and hand jobs.

It's essentially what the left considers to be an acceptable form of prejudice.

Every one of the small business you refer to are corporations too.

If you want to say "fuck large rent seeking corporations who use their size and influence to gain an advantage with the government", we are all on the same page.

But no, I am not getting on the "fuck Trader Joe's" train, because I happen to like Trader Joe's.

Well said. I guess you're just supposed to infer that someone is speaking of Walmart or Amazon.

[Havoc]

The "Fuck Corporations" post is not the one I replied to.

Lit's post that I replied to is correct. It's the human race.

[Legacy User]

I happen to like Amazon although the stock is a joke and I think Bezos is a carnival barker.

I'm not a fan of WalMart but apparently a lot of people are given their sales. Costco, however, is simply amazing.

It's very simple. If people liked Main St. more than WalMart they would have spent their money there. They didn't. Wal-Mart isn't a monopoly or utility that can force you to do business with them.

My anticorporate sentiments are mostly reserved for the investment banks, GE, Google, the NFL and Big Ag like Monsanto (and I will admit that 50 years ago Monsanto scientists saved hundreds of lives).

[Havoc]

Whether people like the products or not has zero to do with the point that was made.

[Legacy User]

Well I am a fan of Protein World and the sack of balls it took to blast their critics. A campaign of calculated hate, I like it.

[Havoc]

I just did a quick google search on that, and I agree with you.

I like the products of Trader Joe's and Whole Foods.

Unfortunately, most corporate food is what has made americans as a group shockingly overweight. And now it's happening to other countries too that are eating american corporate (mostly) garbage .

I should probably say big business instead of saying corporations.

Make all things legal as long as people can show it was done while accumulating capital and watch what happens.

The point is, the greater the power, the greater the checks and balances required. It appears to me that many on the right do not understand this when it comes to big business even though you will hear many of them cite this wisdom when it comes to government. The positive changes in big business working conditions in this country came mostly from the left.

[Legacy User]

No "fuck corporations" is something a 19 year old girl with daddy issues says at an Occupy rally between tokes and hand jobs.

It's essentially what the left considers to be an acceptable form of prejudice.

Every one of the small business you refer to are corporations too.

If you want to say "fuck large rent seeking corporations who use their size and influence to gain an advantage with the government", we are all on the same page.

But no, I am not getting on the "fuck Trader Joe's" train, because I happen to like Trader Joe's.

Dan, your goat is too easy to get. When I said fuck corporations, I meant that I have no sympathy for big business. Big business is a necessary evil. Only a fool would suppose the economy can get by on mom and pop.

Let me school you in politics. Try to read thew whole thing before making some hysterical reply.

Everyone believes that justice implies that equals should get equal shares (the inverse being that unequals should get unequal shares). But there is, of course, great disagreement over what the standard of equality should pertain to. People tend to wish the standard to be whatever benefits them the most. The tall people would love power and good things to be distributed according to height. But on to the political problem: how is the high level statesman to distribute power in the community? What should be the standard of equality? Should it be:
1. Wealth?
2. Need?
3. Virtue?
4. Willingness to die for community?
5. Simply being free born?

All five claims to power are legitimate claims. The statesman has to make them commensurate somehow.

Regarding 1: The country cannot flourish without a shit load of money and for this the wealthy and the corporations are needed. Roads, military, cushy university endowments and the arts and research sciences don't fund themselves after all. So these have a legitimate claim to influence and power.

Regarding 2: Those who have the highest need should get the most help. This is also a legitimate claim. If too many people feel aggrieved and left behind, it is eventually ruinous for political unity and stability. Also, people often, though CERTAINLY NOT ALWAYS, are impoverished by circumstances beyond their control.

Regarding 3: Without competent people, the state cannot flourish. So those who are most able should get the most power. This is not democratic, but it is also necessary.

Regarding 4: it is too obvious to need comment. Unless citizens are willing to die in defense of the country, you're in deep shit. So shouldn't those willing to die get the good stuff?

Regarding 5: we all have the ability reason (milage varies) and so should be in charge of our own lives. This standard of equality treats everyone as if they bare the same in every way. And it also has merit: there is no leading the good life unless you are leading your own life for yourself.

Now all of these claims have merit. The political parties pander to those who suppose this or that or some combination of claims should be the standard of equality while belittling the other claims.

Now note my position on 1. I'm no fool. All I said (beyond annoying you, which I knew I would by saying "fuck corporations") was that corporations would destroy the cosmos in pursuit of profit were there no regulations to keep them in check. Without big money, the country cannot flourish. We need it. Liberals should not be so stupid about it. Conservatives should not be so naive as to suppose that business will have a conscience.

[Legacy User]

I'm more of a straight up fuck the corporations sort...but it's not nearly so personalized with me as it seems to be with the left. When I watch a pack of wolves ruthlessly tear Bambi limb fron limb on some nature show I don't think "evil wolf", I'm somewhat awed by the bloodlust and organizational skills. Big business is doing what comes naturally.

My problems are-

You can't be a free trade liberal. These MFers are more corrupt then the corporations. They know damn well it doesn't trickle down here, the idea that we can lift third world human rights violators like China, India, and Mexico into the middle class is ridiculous beyond words. The money trickles down even less there.

No doubt there are bad cops...but you look at every major urban area in this country and the population has been thrown into poverty by the exodus of manufactoring jobs. In 95 we produced more then 50% of textiles. Today that number is 2%. Just between 2001 and 2003 we lost nearly 3 million jobs to NAFTA and China. Cops in urban areas are forced to deal with a pissed off, broke, unemployed population with nothing to lose...and things are going to get much worse as technology is going to allow robotics and automation to do away with 75% of the highly skilled labor jobs that currently exist.

We tax labor at a greater rate the capitol. So much for an "honest days labor."

The left currently supports a permenent underclass that allows corporations to not have to compete with the labor market to bring about a balanced wage for those that do the shitty hardest work in the country.

I can't emphasis how much the democrats contribute to the current state of affairs. I mean, does Citizen United come down the way it did if Obama didn't reject public financing for his first campaign?

Ultimately the reason there is so much income inequality is because the democrats sold out the working class. Trade tariffs, tax policy, unemployment benefits, Romney care,...the dems sold the working class out on each issue.

[Nick79]

Fuck corporations and twitter.

The former exist only to make money and were there not regulations keeping them in check, would promptly destroy the entire universe. The latter reinforces the millennial's notion that her or his opinion is worth something simply because she or he happens to have it.

Destroying the entire universe would be bad for business and profits, so I'm skeptical about your first statement.

Obviously. But the intention would not be to destroy the universe. It's just that in the unfettered quest to accumulate capital, the universe would end up getting destroyed. So I'm confident in my initial premise.

At what point do you run out of customers if you've hoarded too much of the wealth is the question? Henry Ford paid his workers more than he had to so they could afford to buy his cars.

[Legacy User]

It's interesting that you now claim the genteel scholarly high road when your comment that I took issue with was "fuck corporations". That wasn't selective, nuanced or specific at all, it was a carpet bomb. It's sort of like "fuck people" after you've struck out dating, nihilistic and not really helpful in defining the problem or coming up with solutions going forward.

I'm sure it's also blatantly hypocritical because you probably own stocks and mutual funds, and therefore are one of the bad guys since you are part owner of a corporation.

The Pittsburgh Steelers are a corporation too, and this site is based on fandom of that corporation.

Clemson is right about the Democrats. The greatest wealth disparities are in deep blue areas, such as San Francisco, New York, DC, Durham. The Democrats also solidified too big to fail. If anyone thinks Hillary is going to make a big stand for the middle class, just look at who she married her daughter off to.

Meanwhile Protein World, the original subject of this thread is reaping a windfall.

http://www.marketingmagazine.co.uk/arti ... -integrity

Like I said, if you want to ride the "fuck investment banks" wagon, I'm with you because their game is thievery and regulatory capture. But if you start carrying pictures of Chairman Mao...

[Legacy User]

It's interesting that you now claim the genteel scholarly high road when your comment that I took issue with was "fuck corporations". That wasn't selective, nuanced or specific at all, it was a carpet bomb. It's sort of like "fuck people" after you've struck out dating, nihilistic and not really helpful in defining the problem or coming up with solutions going forward.

I'm sure it's also blatantly hypocritical because you probably own stocks and mutual funds, and therefore are one of the bad guys since you are part owner of a corporation.

The Pittsburgh Steelers are a corporation too, and this site is based on fandom of that corporation.

Clemson is right about the Democrats. The greatest wealth disparities are in deep blue areas, such as San Francisco, New York, DC, Durham. The Democrats also solidified too big to fail. If anyone thinks Hillary is going to make a big stand for the middle class, just look at who she married her daughter off to.

Meanwhile Protein World, the original subject of this thread is reaping a windfall.

http://www.marketingmagazine.co.uk/arti ... -integrity

Like I said, if you want to ride the "fuck investment banks" wagon, I'm with you because their game is thievery and regulatory capture. But if you start carrying pictures of Chairman Mao...

I said fuck corporations because I knew it would bug you. It was trolling plain and simple. My position is much more nuanced, obviously. Still, fuck corporations.

[Legacy User]

So is mine. I can probably think of about 30 corporations I hate but I won't bore the readers by posting them because the targets are obvious. Basically all rent seekers, monopolies and too big to fail corporations can go fuck themselves. And this hypocritical Nazi-symp war criminal can go fuck himself too:

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/ ... s-tax-bill

But most corporations are small. If you eliminated the WalMarts and Costcos, they'd eventually be replaced by another corporation so cursing Sam Walton doesn't solve the problem.

Greed isn't limited to corporations. Fixed benefit pensions are completely financially unsound and unrealistic but if you try to cut back on them just a little, like Scott Walker did, you will get the Hitler treatment. And colleges preach altruism but as a venally greedy as any corporation. Harvard because of its insanely wealthy endowment doesn't even need to charge tuition but does. That's also true of Yale and probably the University of Texas which is public.

Doctors who see Medicare and Medicaid can only bill so much and trade price for volume. I don't see why colleges public or private who get federal aid should not be required to cap tuition. The original model of the state school was to serve a public purpose and not to be an inflated credential troll for better employment (Google Griggs v. Duke Power). If we are going to have public colleges they should be in the Pat Brown California 1960s model, accessible and affordable to the average citizen and not a rip off for the sake of the Schultzes and Curleys in administration. Also I don't see why the super wealthy endowment schools need Federal research money.

[R_S]

After googling Protein World. Wow, genius move on their part. Perfectly calculated and executed. They should now openly mock the feminists for making them rich.

https://twitter.com/proteinworld


they are absolutely killing it. If they have decent prices, i may make my next order from them.

[Legacy User]

Yeah, I'm going to order in place of Shakeology just to show support.

BTW, can you imagine if a group of fat ugly men made a big deal about a billboard with David Beckham or Justin Bieber? They would rightly be mocked as losers.

Everybody knows what the motivation is for these insecure women...jealousy and immaturity.

England is turning into a middle school full of babies.

[Legacy User]

So is mine. I can probably think of about 30 corporations I hate but I won't bore the readers by posting them because the targets are obvious. Basically all rent seekers, monopolies and too big to fail corporations can go fuck themselves. And this hypocritical Nazi-symp war criminal can go fuck himself too:

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/ ... s-tax-bill

But most corporations are small. If you eliminated the WalMarts and Costcos, they'd eventually be replaced by another corporation so cursing Sam Walton doesn't solve the problem.

Greed isn't limited to corporations. Fixed benefit pensions are completely financially unsound and unrealistic but if you try to cut back on them just a little, like Scott Walker did, you will get the Hitler treatment. And colleges preach altruism but as a venally greedy as any corporation. Harvard because of its insanely wealthy endowment doesn't even need to charge tuition but does. That's also true of Yale and probably the University of Texas which is public.

Doctors who see Medicare and Medicaid can only bill so much and trade price for volume. I don't see why colleges public or private who get federal aid should not be required to cap tuition. The original model of the state school was to serve a public purpose and not to be an inflated credential troll for better employment (Google Griggs v. Duke Power). If we are going to have public colleges they should be in the Pat Brown California 1960s model, accessible and affordable to the average citizen and not a rip off for the sake of the Schultzes and Curleys in administration. Also I don't see why the super wealthy endowment schools need Federal research money.

Costco is actually a pretty darn good company from what I understand. My real point about business is that it has to be regulated or it will destroy the universe. I wish we would stop telling the lie that college is for everyone. I'm envious of the German model for higher ed. A technical degree that prepares you to get a good job is actually looked upon as something very good. People here turn their noses up at ITT. I make fun of my students openly to their faces, the ones who don't give a shit about the liberal arts for being at my university. I tell them about my friends who pull 6 figures (way more than me) who attended ITT. Parents need to wake the fuck up and stop telling their children stupid things.

What I would like to see: a bigger emphasis on STEM in high school, a bigger push for legit technical colleges, and a proliferation of MA programs specializing in the liberal arts for working adults with federal legislation ensuring that workers can take a certain amount of time off to pursue liberal arts classes as adults (liberal arts includes science and math). Get your technical degree that will ensure you employment and then, if you wish, enrich your soul should feel the calling. If others want the traditional route, take it. But let's stop bullshitting people.

[Legacy User]

If we're going to do a STEM push we have to put a curb on this H-1-B visa nonsense. We can't be training people for well paying jobs and undermining the effort simply because Mark Zuckerberg and other Silicon Valley hypocrites don't want to pay software engineers a fair wage.

I'm for increasing legal immigration for job providers, however. You know that xenophobic policy that redneck nations like Canada, New Zealand and Australia have.

I would like to see the collusion scandal on wages in Silicon Valley go to trial...these noncompete agreements are pretty scummy.

I agree with you that college isn't for everyone. However, it became more necessary than it should because of the aforementioned Griggs vs. Duke Power decision. Just let employers screen for aptitude during job interviews and stop using college degrees for proxy credentialing.

On the oversight thing...yes government should be a referee, not a player. I don't turn on the Steelers to watch Ed Hochuli pound the rock.