discipline reform talks underway?

[Steelafan77]

The NFL and team owners have begun “informal discussions” with the players’ union about potential changes to the sport’s system of player discipline and other issues related to the two sides’ labor deal, Pittsburgh Steelers President Art Rooney II said Tuesday. http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/spor ... extension/

Could this be an End to goofwell's reign? I hope this just ain't lip service. I hope the NFL takes back the game the way it used to be in its entirety. Demote or just fire the clown is my opinion.

What say Fury folks?

[BethlehemSteel]

The NFL and team owners have begun “informal discussions” with the players’ union about potential changes to the sport’s system of player discipline and other issues related to the two sides’ labor deal, Pittsburgh Steelers President Art Rooney II said Tuesday. http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/spor ... extension/

Could this be an End to goofwell's reign? I hope this just ain't lip service. I hope the NFL takes back the game the way it used to be in its entirety. Demote or just fire the clown is my opinion.

What say Fury folks?

I dont think it's the end of his reign yet

I see it as a way to provide the discipline to neutral party, so this would apply to off field stuff and on field cheating would remain with Roger

[Steelafan77]

I'd say goofwell has his hands in too many cookie jars and he needs to be reigned in. If the results are some of his "gawd like powers" being stripped away than more power to the owners/players.

[lifelongsteel]

The NFL and team owners have begun “informal discussions” with the players’ union about potential changes to the sport’s system of player discipline and other issues related to the two sides’ labor deal, Pittsburgh Steelers President Art Rooney II said Tuesday. http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/spor ... extension/

Could this be an End to goofwell's reign? I hope this just ain't lip service. I hope the NFL takes back the game the way it used to be in its entirety. Demote or just fire the clown is my opinion.

What say Fury folks?

Goodell is a puppet. And he's very good at taking arrows and keeping them off the owners.

Firing him doesn't change the price of beer.

[Nick79]

If they have to play "parallel justice system" and can't do the right thing and just let the state punish crimes, at the very least they should standardize things. Like for example, "1st DUI, punishment=THIS", 2nd DUI, punishment=THAT", etc. And don't allow punishment for accusations alone, like since Ben was just accused and never arrested or charged, he shouldn't have been punished at all. And no DISCRETION, just standard punishment for everybody. That at least is what the union should try to get. Get rid of the circus. And I'd prefer no suspensions of games, that punishes the fans, just make the punishments monetary fines.

[StillMadAtSlobber]

The NFL and team owners have begun “informal discussions” with the players’ union about potential changes to the sport’s system of player discipline and other issues related to the two sides’ labor deal, Pittsburgh Steelers President Art Rooney II said Tuesday. http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/spor ... extension/

Could this be an End to goofwell's reign? I hope this just ain't lip service. I hope the NFL takes back the game the way it used to be in its entirety. Demote or just fire the clown is my opinion.

What say Fury folks?

It has nothing to do with his reign whatsoever.

It has to do with the retarded progression of how the NFL has handled discipline.

Its about the process not the person.

The game isnt going back to anything.

[Fury]

Goodell has said he was open to not being the judge, jury and executioner regarding player discipline.

[BethlehemSteel]

Yes he has, but he will not relinquish that for the field integrity issues. If he does, there will be no more commish

[Steelafan77]

I guess I should have worded it differently for those "Sensitive" posters. This takes away some of the "power" that goofwell as a football commissioner has. Which I'm all for.

He should not be allowed to suspend players, he should not be involved in anything other than NFL operations. Discipline should be enforced by officials that only dowl out disciplinary consequences as a third party/neutral party. Not someone on someone else's payroll or someone that has an axe to grind when dealing with specific individual players.

[StillMadAtSlobber]

I guess I should have worded it differently for those "Sensitive" posters. This takes away some of the "power" that goofwell as a football commissioner has. Which I'm all for.

He should not be allowed to suspend players, he should not be involved in anything other than NFL operations. Discipline should be enforced by officials that only dowl out disciplinary consequences as a third party/neutral party. Not someone on someone else's payroll or someone that has an axe to grind when dealing with specific individual players.

Actually, its got nothing to do with sensitivity, and everything to do with properly phrasing a question and understanding the subject material. There is a portion of this board that every time Goodell missteps, they think its the end of his reign. That is the glass through which your post/question is measured.

[Nick79]

Every time Goodell screws up, which is often, a common reply is that, "no, the owners don't care, he's making them too much money..." but is he? Even though we're all guilty, we all still watch, I've never seen a time when fans are as down on football as they are right now. I'm sure that I'm not alone when I say, I watch the Steelers, but really no other games, at least not with enthusiasm. I heard last night's TNF game was good, I watched maybe 5 minutes of the 3rd quarter, the sport as a whole doesn't hold my interest like it once did. Is Goodell really maximizing the profits?

[COR-TEN]

The fact of the matter is that the NFL is not a legitimate sports industry. It's entertainment, and the league has no obligation to provide fairness. Roger the dodger was hired to increase and spread the wealth.

I'd love to be a fly in the room when the 32 owners meet with Rodger and how they outline the course of action for any given instance - because you know they do. I've given up on the fairy tale that the NFL is an organization where fair play and good sportsmanship rule. It's basically a mega $10 billion industry that is making decisions to grow the pie and make sure the other 31 owners are adequately compensated for the shitfest that is the Patriots. Maybe in 5 years it'll be the Colts, or Mariota. Remember all those calls against the ravens? Remember Dez Bryant's touchdown - or lack of one?

Whatever is happening is a PR move to improve the image of the brand. The brand lacks consistency in judgements and rulings over player misconduct? Change it, and publicize it, but the bottom line will always remain the same. Whether it's Roger or Joe Schmoe.

[Steelafan77]

I guess I should have worded it differently for those "Sensitive" posters. This takes away some of the "power" that goofwell as a football commissioner has. Which I'm all for.

He should not be allowed to suspend players, he should not be involved in anything other than NFL operations. Discipline should be enforced by officials that only dowl out disciplinary consequences as a third party/neutral party. Not someone on someone else's payroll or someone that has an axe to grind when dealing with specific individual players.

Actually, its got nothing to do with sensitivity, and everything to do with properly phrasing a question and understanding the subject material. There is a portion of this board that every time Goodell missteps, they think its the end of his reign. That is the glass through which your post/question is measured.

Well said slobber. Perhaps I placed the cart before the horse in this case. My dislike regarding goofwell is apparent. I became excited for a moment and jumped to an unsubstantiated conclusion. Perhaps just wishful thinking even. My apologies for promoting scuttlebutt.

[BethlehemSteel]

EMR speaks on Goodell

Pump the brakes......and yes the shady appeal was filed

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nf ... /32561161/

Pittsburgh Steelers president Art Rooney II reiterated Thursday he expects any changes would be negotiated with the NFL Players Association as part of an extension of the collective bargaining agreement, which doesn’t expire until after the 2020 season, and there’s no sense of urgency among owners to rush what would be a complicated process.
“Look, I think more than likely we’re not talking months here. We’re most likely talking years,” Rooney, who’s also a member of the NFL Management Council executive committee, told USA TODAY Sports by phone.

USA TODAY
Roger Goodell's role in conduct policy might not change 'for years'

“I would be hesitant to put an exact timeframe on it. We don’t have any deadline obviously. We have several years left on the collective bargaining agreement, so I don’t think that there’s a major rush at this point to get an extension. I think there’s probably still a fair amount of time before both sides are willing to really roll up their sleeves and get something done.”

An NFLPA official issued a strong response Tuesday after Rooney told the Washington Post there have been “informal discussions” on changes that could be tied to a CBA extension. The union says the league “has been unable or unwilling to provide us with a formal proposal to our longstanding attempts to collectively bargain this (discipline) issue.”

Though conversations with the union have occurred for some time on the disciplinary process, Rooney clarified Thursday: “I’m not going to quibble with (the union) about the fact that there’s nothing formal going on, there’s nothing substantive going on, and I think we have a long way to go in that discussion.”

The sides did speak Sept. 1 in New York as part of ongoing talks about the revised personal conduct policy, which owners unanimously ratified in December after several high-profile incidents involving players last year. The NFLPA – which walked out of one meeting on the issue and demanded formal bargaining – filed a grievance that remains unresolved.

The commissioner has broad power to issue discipline and hear appeals under Article 46 of the 2011 labor deal. But the NFLPA has argued successfully in several recent cases Goodell overstepped his authority and/or conducted a process that was unfair and inconsistent with the CBA.

A federal judge’s decision Sept. 3 to vacate New England Patriots quarterback Tom Brady’s four-game “Deflategate” suspension was the latest win in court for the NFLPA, which also had the arbitration decision that upheld Minnesota Vikings running back Adrian Peterson’s suspension overturned in February. The NFL has appealed both rulings.

In the past month, New England Patriots president Jonathan Kraft and Atlanta Falcons owner Arthur Blank have spoken on the potential for changes that would reduce negative attention on the league office. Goodell’s comments last week during an ESPN Radio appearance furthered the idea it could happen.

“But I don’t sense that there’s an urgency to it, that we feel like – particularly in reaction to Judge Berman’s decision – that’s something we’ve got to address immediately,” Rooney said. “We’re appealing that decision, we feel confident about the appeal and so that’s going to be another process that takes a considerable amount of time to be resolved.”

Any CBA extension would likely cover multiple years, Rooney said, though he declined to speculate on how long it would run. What seems clear is there’s no chance of it happening in the coming months. The collectively bargained drug policy passed last September, for instance, took more than three years to finalize.

“There were some stories floating around out there that we were thinking about that we could get an agreement on (a revised disciplinary process) by the end of the season,” Rooney said. “I don’t really see that happening. I don’t know where that came from.

“It’s going to be a long process. I think both sides have a different opinion on what changes should be made, but hey, at least everybody’s willing to say there should be some changes, so who knows what that will lead to?”