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Painkiller lawsuit. Steelers mentioned

Post by rooneytunes » Fri Mar 10, 2017 7:20 pm



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Post by Donnie Brasco » Fri Mar 10, 2017 7:53 pm

But but but weed is bad!

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Post by Steel Mike » Fri Mar 10, 2017 10:45 pm

Maybe I'm dumb and just missing something, but what else are they supposed to do?

Weed isn't legal in every state, so it's not like the NFL can condone its use.
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Post by Kodiak » Fri Mar 10, 2017 10:59 pm

Toradol is some seriously powerful stuff, at least when administered with IV
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Post by Vertical Steel » Sat Mar 11, 2017 6:31 am

Kodiak wrote:Toradol is some seriously powerful stuff, at least when administered with IV


Toradol is a frickin IV NSAID, with a mechanism of action very similar to Ibuprofen.. Big fucking deal.

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Post by Vertical Steel » Sat Mar 11, 2017 6:35 am

Vertical Steel wrote:
Kodiak wrote:Toradol is some seriously powerful stuff, at least when administered with IV


Toradol is a frickin IV NSAID, with a mechanism of action very similar to Ibuprofen.. Big fucking deal.


Now, if the team doctors were intentionally misleading about potential injuries from the use of this drug, and local anesthetic injections used to dull pain and mask injury, then this could be a problem, but in no way is it inappropriate to use nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory medications to treat the pain of an NFL player.
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Post by Stlcrtn1974 » Sat Mar 11, 2017 12:45 pm

I'm sure these Dr. were twisting the arms of these players to take these. Just like someone forcing them to take steroids as well. If it were me or you, we would do the same exact thing to play in that league. The problem arises when, like everyone, we get older and regret what we did to ourself in our young and reckless youth and our body starts to breakdown.

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Post by FC » Sat Mar 11, 2017 3:38 pm

Toradol is nasty stuff. It basically works by eliminating the hormones that cause inflammation reducing swelling and pain.

Toradol along with a handful of opiate painkillers have killed more organs than most people want to acknowledge

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Post by Kodiak » Sat Mar 11, 2017 6:10 pm

Vertical Steel wrote:Toradol is a frickin IV NSAID, with a mechanism of action very similar to Ibuprofen.. Big fucking deal.


LMFAO more like vicodin. Ibuprofen is over the counter. There's no comparison between the two.

A few years ago, I went to the hospital with a kidney stone. I assure you Ibuprofen didn't do shit. I could barely walk. MINUTES after being administered Toradol my pain was GONE.
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Post by COR-TEN » Sat Mar 11, 2017 6:36 pm

Kodiak wrote:
Vertical Steel wrote:Toradol is a frickin IV NSAID, with a mechanism of action very similar to Ibuprofen.. Big fucking deal.


LMFAO more like vicodin. Ibuprofen is over the counter. There's no comparison between the two.

A few years ago, I went to the hospital with a kidney stone. I assure you Ibuprofen didn't do shit. I could barely walk. MINUTES after being administered Toradol my pain was GONE.
Lucky you. I went to the hospital with a kidney stone and they gave me NOTHING. Twice. Well, they IV'd me with fluids, and the second time poked me multiple times for blood work but my veins collapsed due to the "pain," so they didn't get any. Also :

Concerns over the high incidence of reported side effects with ketorolac trometamol has led to its withdrawal (apart from the ophthalmic formulation) in several countries, while in others its permitted dosage and maximum duration of treatment have been reduced. From 1990 to 1993, 97 reactions with a fatal outcome were reported worldwide.[9]


From here : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ketorolac
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Post by Vertical Steel » Sat Mar 11, 2017 11:20 pm

Kodiak wrote:
Vertical Steel wrote:Toradol is a frickin IV NSAID, with a mechanism of action very similar to Ibuprofen.. Big fucking deal.


LMFAO more like vicodin. Ibuprofen is over the counter. There's no comparison between the two.

A few years ago, I went to the hospital with a kidney stone. I assure you Ibuprofen didn't do shit. I could barely walk. MINUTES after being administered Toradol my pain was GONE.

You are hilariously wrong. If you are capable of reading (I assume you are, because I doubt you have somebody read these posts to you), then you should do a little research before you open your mouth and say something this stupid.

Tell me again how Ibuprofen (a non-selective nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory medication "NSAID") which has a mechanism of action that inhibits COX-1 and COX-2 enzymes, is so different from Toradol (a non-selective nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory "NSAID" which has a mechanism of action that inhibits COX-1 and COX-2 enzymes).

Then tell me how Toradol (a non-selective nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory "NSAID") which has a mechanism of action that inhibits COX-1 and COX-2 enzymes, is more like Vicodin, which is a mixture of Hydrocodone (an opioid analgesic) and Tylenol, which is thought to act more on the central nervous system, and MIGHT inhibit some prostaglandin synthesis as well.

I'm awaiting your uneducated response with bated breath.
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Post by Steelperch » Sat Mar 11, 2017 11:23 pm

Vertical Steel wrote:
Kodiak wrote:
Vertical Steel wrote:Toradol is a frickin IV NSAID, with a mechanism of action very similar to Ibuprofen.. Big fucking deal.


LMFAO more like vicodin. Ibuprofen is over the counter. There's no comparison between the two.

A few years ago, I went to the hospital with a kidney stone. I assure you Ibuprofen didn't do shit. I could barely walk. MINUTES after being administered Toradol my pain was GONE.

You are hilariously wrong. If you are capable of reading (I assume you are, because I doubt you have somebody read these posts to you), then you should do a little research before you open your mouth and say something this stupid.

Tell me again how Ibuprofen (a non-selective nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory medication "NSAID") which has a mechanism of action that inhibits COX-1 and COX-2 enzymes, is so different from Toradol (a non-selective nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory "NSAID" which has a mechanism of action that inhibits COX-1 and COX-2 enzymes).

Then tell me how Toradol (a non-selective nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory "NSAID" which has a mechanism of action that inhibits COX-1 and COX-2 enzymes) is more like Vicodin, which is a mixture of Hydrocodone (an opioid analgesic) and Tylenol, which is thought to act more on the central nervous system, and MIGHT inhibit some prostaglandin synthesis as well.

I'm awaiting your uneducated response with bated breath.

I don't know much about this topic, but I know enough to say I'm with Vertical on this one.

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Post by Vertical Steel » Sun Mar 12, 2017 12:09 am

COR-TEN wrote:
Concerns over the high incidence of reported side effects with ketorolac trometamol has led to its withdrawal (apart from the ophthalmic formulation) in several countries, while in others its permitted dosage and maximum duration of treatment have been reduced. From 1990 to 1993, 97 reactions with a fatal outcome were reported worldwide.[9]


From here : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ketorolac


As for this exerpt, I don't know anything about ophthalmic solutions of Toradol and its use for this purpose because I don't administer ophthalmic Toradol. What I do know is that IV Toradol is administered in just about every operating room in the United States (if not the world) on a daily basis for pain management. Like any drug it can have some adverse effects, but if it were as dangerous as this SteelerFury witch hunt would suggest, I imagine we would discontinue its use for anesthetic pain management.

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Post by Legacy User » Sun Mar 12, 2017 2:54 am

Vertical Steel wrote:
Kodiak wrote:
Vertical Steel wrote:Toradol is a frickin IV NSAID, with a mechanism of action very similar to Ibuprofen.. Big fucking deal.


LMFAO more like vicodin. Ibuprofen is over the counter. There's no comparison between the two.

A few years ago, I went to the hospital with a kidney stone. I assure you Ibuprofen didn't do shit. I could barely walk. MINUTES after being administered Toradol my pain was GONE.

You are hilariously wrong. If you are capable of reading (I assume you are, because I doubt you have somebody read these posts to you), then you should do a little research before you open your mouth and say something this stupid.

Tell me again how Ibuprofen (a non-selective nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory medication "NSAID") which has a mechanism of action that inhibits COX-1 and COX-2 enzymes, is so different from Toradol (a non-selective nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory "NSAID" which has a mechanism of action that inhibits COX-1 and COX-2 enzymes).

Then tell me how Toradol (a non-selective nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory "NSAID") which has a mechanism of action that inhibits COX-1 and COX-2 enzymes, is more like Vicodin, which is a mixture of Hydrocodone (an opioid analgesic) and Tylenol, which is thought to act more on the central nervous system, and MIGHT inhibit some prostaglandin synthesis as well.

I'm awaiting your uneducated response with bated breath.


Obviously not a casual observer of chemistry and drugs.

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Post by R_S » Sun Mar 12, 2017 1:07 pm

Vertical Steel wrote:
COR-TEN wrote:
Concerns over the high incidence of reported side effects with ketorolac trometamol has led to its withdrawal (apart from the ophthalmic formulation) in several countries, while in others its permitted dosage and maximum duration of treatment have been reduced. From 1990 to 1993, 97 reactions with a fatal outcome were reported worldwide.[9]


From here : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ketorolac


As for this exerpt, I don't know anything about ophthalmic solutions of Toradol and its use for this purpose because I don't administer ophthalmic Toradol. What I do know is that IV Toradol is administered in just about every operating room in the United States (if not the world) on a daily basis for pain management. Like any drug it can have some adverse effects, but if it were as dangerous as this SteelerFury witch hunt would suggest, I imagine we would discontinue its use for anesthetic pain management.


Seeing the history and epidemic that's been caused by medical "professionals" over prescribing painkillers for many many years, I don't entirely understand the shock and awe of the populous questioning certain medications. Well, I guess since it was approved by the FDA it's completely safe....

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Post by Vertical Steel » Sun Mar 12, 2017 6:14 pm

R S wrote:
Seeing the history and epidemic that's been caused by medical "professionals" over prescribing painkillers for many many years, I don't entirely understand the shock and awe of the populous questioning certain medications. Well, I guess since it was approved by the FDA it's completely safe....

It's perfectly natural for people to have questions. I actually encourage questions, however nobody asked any questions in this thread. If they did have questions they just decided to spout out dumb shit instead of taking the time to look up real information.

I guess since I don't plan on joining the misinformation crowd, I now worship the FDA. This thread gets more hilarious by the post.

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Post by Legacy User » Sun Mar 12, 2017 11:56 pm

Players str getting shot up with shit all over the league. Always were. They know it. The teams know it. Both sides have always known it.

Unless a player wants to admit he is a slightly, or majorly, retarded poodle and always has been, then the players always knew the shit they were getting had some serious risks (even if they didn't know specifically what). This is just the continuation (and there will be more) of "how do we get money from the league now that we are shit ass broke?" That isn't an excuse for the league. They are bastards as much as these players are assholes for pretending to be all innocent and claim they had no idea.

Sympathy. I should have more I suppose.

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Post by steeledge » Mon Mar 13, 2017 5:12 pm

Still Lit wrote:
Vertical Steel wrote:
Kodiak wrote:LMFAO more like vicodin. Ibuprofen is over the counter. There's no comparison between the two.

A few years ago, I went to the hospital with a kidney stone. I assure you Ibuprofen didn't do shit. I could barely walk. MINUTES after being administered Toradol my pain was GONE.

You are hilariously wrong. If you are capable of reading (I assume you are, because I doubt you have somebody read these posts to you), then you should do a little research before you open your mouth and say something this stupid.

Tell me again how Ibuprofen (a non-selective nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory medication "NSAID") which has a mechanism of action that inhibits COX-1 and COX-2 enzymes, is so different from Toradol (a non-selective nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory "NSAID" which has a mechanism of action that inhibits COX-1 and COX-2 enzymes).

Then tell me how Toradol (a non-selective nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory "NSAID") which has a mechanism of action that inhibits COX-1 and COX-2 enzymes, is more like Vicodin, which is a mixture of Hydrocodone (an opioid analgesic) and Tylenol, which is thought to act more on the central nervous system, and MIGHT inhibit some prostaglandin synthesis as well.

I'm awaiting your uneducated response with bated breath.


Obviously not a casual observer of chemistry and drugs.


nor English, as I would have said "baited breath"! :shock:

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Post by steeledge » Mon Mar 13, 2017 5:26 pm

Steel Reign wrote:Players str getting shot up with shit all over the league. Always were. They know it. The teams know it. Both sides have always known it.

Unless a player wants to admit he is a slightly, or majorly, retarded poodle and always has been, then the players always knew the shit they were getting had some serious risks (even if they didn't know specifically what). This is just the continuation (and there will be more) of "how do we get money from the league now that we are shit ass broke?" That isn't an excuse for the league. They are bastards as much as these players are assholes for pretending to be all innocent and claim they had no idea.


see, that's the rub, here..
Nobody would want to admit to that, hence the lawsuit that initiated the "Steelerfury Witchunt" that is this thread...

It's way past ridiculous how the younger element of our society can't take any responsibility for themselves and the consequences that result from their own fucking choices...
Always somebody else's fault that "I said/did/took something, and now I can't get over the problems or addictions my choices caused"...

Steel Reign wrote:Sympathy. I should have more I suppose.

Fuck that shit!
It's beyond time for Generation Snowflake to GET THE HELL OFF MY LAWN!!!

:evil:

Just how the FUCK do people think Trump got elected, anyway?!

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Post by COR-TEN » Mon Mar 13, 2017 6:39 pm

Steeledge wrote:
Steel Reign wrote:Players str getting shot up with shit all over the league. Always were. They know it. The teams know it. Both sides have always known it.

Unless a player wants to admit he is a slightly, or majorly, retarded poodle and always has been, then the players always knew the shit they were getting had some serious risks (even if they didn't know specifically what). This is just the continuation (and there will be more) of "how do we get money from the league now that we are shit ass broke?" That isn't an excuse for the league. They are bastards as much as these players are assholes for pretending to be all innocent and claim they had no idea.


see, that's the rub, here..
Nobody would want to admit to that, hence the lawsuit that initiated the "Steelerfury Witchunt" that is this thread...

It's way past ridiculous how the younger element of our society can't take any responsibility for themselves and the consequences that result from their own fucking choices...
Always somebody else's fault that "I said/did/took something, and now I can't get over the problems or addictions my choices caused"...

Steel Reign wrote:Sympathy. I should have more I suppose.

Fuck that shit!
It's beyond time for Generation Snowflake to GET THE HELL OFF MY LAWN!!!

:evil:

Just how the FUCK do people think Trump got elected, anyway?!
He bused in voters from russia through alaska with Palin's help?
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Post by Donnie Brasco » Mon Mar 13, 2017 8:19 pm

We're really getting back to Politics here? I thought we could actually behave in this forum

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Post by COR-TEN » Mon Mar 13, 2017 8:32 pm

Donnie Brasco wrote:We're really getting back to Politics here? I thought we could actually behave in this forum
Oh FFS it was a joke.

But now that you mention it, I find it curious that when Obama was prez, the conservative contingent here didn't pull any punches about mocking and ridiculing liberals. Highlighting what they thought as criminal behavior etc, etc. No blowback at all from fury admin. Now that conservatives got what they want, there is no room for mocking and ridicule of the current admin. I can imagine starting a thread like the scores that dan started spreading right wing propaganda and shitting on liberalism. I wonder how that would go over.

No worries though. I won't be stirring the proverbial political soup. It's muddy enough as it is.
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Post by steeledge » Tue Mar 14, 2017 4:12 pm

COR-TEN wrote:
Steeledge wrote:
Steel Reign wrote:Players str getting shot up with shit all over the league. Always were. They know it. The teams know it. Both sides have always known it.

Unless a player wants to admit he is a slightly, or majorly, retarded poodle and always has been, then the players always knew the shit they were getting had some serious risks (even if they didn't know specifically what). This is just the continuation (and there will be more) of "how do we get money from the league now that we are shit ass broke?" That isn't an excuse for the league. They are bastards as much as these players are assholes for pretending to be all innocent and claim they had no idea.


see, that's the rub, here..
Nobody would want to admit to that, hence the lawsuit that initiated the "Steelerfury Witchunt" that is this thread...

It's way past ridiculous how the younger element of our society can't take any responsibility for themselves and the consequences that result from their own fucking choices...
Always somebody else's fault that "I said/did/took something, and now I can't get over the problems or addictions my choices caused"...

Steel Reign wrote:Sympathy. I should have more I suppose.

Fuck that shit!
It's beyond time for Generation Snowflake to GET THE HELL OFF MY LAWN!!!

:evil:

Just how the FUCK do people think Trump got elected, anyway?!
He bused in voters from russia through alaska with Palin's help?


:lol:

From a Conservative that didn't vote for the guy, that was funny!
...sometimes we just need to lighten up a bit and be able to laugh at our own foolishness, too!

group hug! ;)

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