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4 picks in the first 105.
Steelers Awarded 3rd Rd. Compensatory Pick
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That is some crazy math to get an R3 comp for.
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HOLY hell. Awesome.
A 5th was expected.
A 5th was expected.
Wow. That's great news. Now, to see how many seconds it takes b2b to update the mock thread...
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It's about time that the Steelers won the draft lottery process 
Beachum did sign a pretty big contract with Jacksonville, even though he only lasted a year there.
What's also nice is now the team has some ammunition to trade up if there is a player they covet.
Beachum did sign a pretty big contract with Jacksonville, even though he only lasted a year there.
What's also nice is now the team has some ammunition to trade up if there is a player they covet.
I was thinking fourth but this is awesome. Kelvin Beachum is the gift that keeps on giving.
*roots for losses*
TB wrote:Kelvin Beachum is the gift that keeps on giving.
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Just for arguments sake, if there was a proven NFL player that could make a big impact right away would you trade one of our top picks for him? The argument is that this team is only a player away from being the AFC representative in the Super Bowl next year. It's unlikely a rookie really makes an impact right away(even though last year's class certainly defied most of this boards, which I assume is safe to say).
Curious to see what you guys think....
Curious to see what you guys think....
Can a healthy J.J. Watt or K. Mack drop into coverage? Does it matter?smithessmokin wrote:Just for arguments sake, if there was a proven NFL player that could make a big impact right away would you trade one of our top picks for him? The argument is that this team is only a player away from being the AFC representative in the Super Bowl next year. It's unlikely a rookie really makes an impact right away(even though last year's class certainly defied most of this boards, which I assume is safe to say).
Curious to see what you guys think....
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COR-TEN wrote:Can a healthy J.J. Watt or K. Mack drop into coverage? Does it matter?smithessmokin wrote:Just for arguments sake, if there was a proven NFL player that could make a big impact right away would you trade one of our top picks for him? The argument is that this team is only a player away from being the AFC representative in the Super Bowl next year. It's unlikely a rookie really makes an impact right away(even though last year's class certainly defied most of this boards, which I assume is safe to say).
Curious to see what you guys think....
Both probably give the guys on the back end at least a half second less to cover, which ultimately could be the difference.
smithessmokin wrote:Just for arguments sake, if there was a proven NFL player that could make a big impact right away would you trade one of our top picks for him? The argument is that this team is only a player away from being the AFC representative in the Super Bowl next year. It's unlikely a rookie really makes an impact right away(even though last year's class certainly defied most of this boards, which I assume is safe to say).
Curious to see what you guys think....
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smithessmokin wrote:Just for arguments sake, if there was a proven NFL player that could make a big impact right away would you trade one of our top picks for him? The argument is that this team is only a player away from being the AFC representative in the Super Bowl next year. It's unlikely a rookie really makes an impact right away(even though last year's class certainly defied most of this boards, which I assume is safe to say).
Curious to see what you guys think....
I would do it.
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smithessmokin wrote:Just for arguments sake, if there was a proven NFL player that could make a big impact right away would you trade one of our top picks for him? The argument is that this team is only a player away from being the AFC representative in the Super Bowl next year. It's unlikely a rookie really makes an impact right away(even though last year's class certainly defied most of this boards, which I assume is safe to say).
Curious to see what you guys think....
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SteelDrama wrote:smithessmokin wrote:Just for arguments sake, if there was a proven NFL player that could make a big impact right away would you trade one of our top picks for him? The argument is that this team is only a player away from being the AFC representative in the Super Bowl next year. It's unlikely a rookie really makes an impact right away(even though last year's class certainly defied most of this boards, which I assume is safe to say).
Curious to see what you guys think....
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would rather have a presumably healthy Chancellor, but that's the right idea.
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Sweet, late 3rd over a late 5th is nice.
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On another note, this has to be a record for 3rd round comp picks.....they gave out 11 this year!
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Wow this is freaking great now Mr Colbert needs to do his homework and continue to add to this team and get them into the SB. He can really do some major damage.
bradshaw2ben wrote:would rather have a presumably healthy Chancellor, but that's the right idea.
Your love affair with Kam Chancellor is reaching an unhealthy level...
(I kid...) Just for arguments sake, if there was a proven NFL player that could make a big impact right away would you trade one of our top picks for him?
Absolutely. I'd consider trading two for the right impact guy.
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Outstanding!!!!!!!
Not to rain on everybody's parade here but the last 3rd round compensation pick was Dri Archer.
Now that we can trade these compensation picks I am all for using this 3rd to move up and get that OLB, get that TE, etc. Use the pick to move up in round 1 or round 2.
Now that we can trade these compensation picks I am all for using this 3rd to move up and get that OLB, get that TE, etc. Use the pick to move up in round 1 or round 2.
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Scunge wrote:Not to rain on everybody's parade here but the last 3rd round compensation pick was Dri Archer.
Now that we can trade these compensation picks I am all for using this 3rd to move up and get that OLB, get that TE, etc. Use the pick to move up in round 1 or round 2.
I'm not sure just using what happened 'the last time' is solid reasoning for being aggressive using the pick as trade bait. I'm not against moving up.....just remember at the opposite end of the Dri Archer mistake there's one 3rd round compensatory pick named Hines Ward.
If we can get value with a trade...fine. .....but there's absolutely nothing wrong with sitting on this gift egg either.
Hey guys, last time we played a game we lost. Guess we're going 0-16 next year, oh well feel better everybody.
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TB wrote:Hey guys, last time we played a game we lost. Guess we're going 0-16 next year, oh well feel better everybody.
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So, the Bengals get a comp pick in every round & most rounds the 1st comp pick to add to their total draft haul. Yeah I'm sure the computations/formula to figure comp picks the NFL uses are well thought out. I wonder how many players they lost & got a draft pick for they really wanted back or really tried to resign?
The Bengals' homegrown philosophy involves getting compensatory picks instead of relying on big-money free agents. Since the system began in 1994, they have been awarded the ninth most compensatory picks with 28, tied with Buffalo. The Ravens lead with 48, Green Bay is next with 38, followed by Dallas with 37 and New England with 34.
Anyway the Broncos, Browns & Bengals all got awarded 4 comp pics. What I'm trying to point out is; if there is an impact player/difference maker out there in the draft this year, there are plenty of other teams in a better position than the Steelers to make a move to go get them.
The best we can hope for is for the Steelers to make the picks they do have COUNT. Don't pick future "BUSTS".
The Bengals' homegrown philosophy involves getting compensatory picks instead of relying on big-money free agents. Since the system began in 1994, they have been awarded the ninth most compensatory picks with 28, tied with Buffalo. The Ravens lead with 48, Green Bay is next with 38, followed by Dallas with 37 and New England with 34.
Anyway the Broncos, Browns & Bengals all got awarded 4 comp pics. What I'm trying to point out is; if there is an impact player/difference maker out there in the draft this year, there are plenty of other teams in a better position than the Steelers to make a move to go get them.
The best we can hope for is for the Steelers to make the picks they do have COUNT. Don't pick future "BUSTS".
Well, the thing about the Archer pick is that it was, in a way, involved in a trade up, sort of. The previous year, we traded up to select Shmarko Thomas in the 4th round of 2013, giving Cleveland our 2014 3rd round pick. Colbert suspected that he would have a 3rd round compensation pick the next year and that had to influence their decision to make the trade up for Thomas.
So, in 2014 we had two 3rd round picks, but the first one, at pick 83 went to Cleveland and then we used our remaining 3rd round pick on Dri Archer. Chances are we do not resign Thomas, so that was two 3rd round picks wasted in the 2014 draft and 3 picks total if you count that 4th rounder in 2013 spent on Thomas.
My biggest gripe against Colbert has been that he has a pretty good track record in the first two rounds and then things start to go off the rails when you get to the 3rd and 4th rounds and then worse even later only to improve again once they start signing undrafted free agents.
You look at the players we could have had in 2014 with those two 3rd round picks instead of Thomas and Archer.
Arizona's WR John Brown, Carolina's Pro Bowl guard Trai Turner, Atlanta's RB Devontae Freeman, NE 3rd down RB James White, Jacksonville's CB Aaron Colvin. I know it is popular to just say hey we could have drafted Ross Cockrell instead of Archer but we got him anyway so no big deal. Well, to me it is a big deal because we could have had more to show for two 3rd round picks and a 4th round pick than Ross 'Bent' Cockrell.
I am just tired of us missing out on, by one or two picks, players that we covet. If somebody is there that you want and there are one or two teams in front of you, use that 3rd round pick to move up and get that player. If O J Howard slips and is within reach, deal the 3rd, if you think Carl Lawson is a a great fit and is your guy and is two picks away and in danger of being poached by some other team, deal the 3rd. That is all I am saying.
It just seems like the history of this team with multiple high picks never seems to work out very well. Sure, our eyes light up and we think with multiple picks we will amass all of these great players in no time at all.
Yet when we had two first rounders in 1989 it ended up being Tim Worley and Tom Ricketts. In 2009 we had 3 3rd round picks which ended up being Kraig Urbick, Mike Wallace and Keenan Lewis. Urbick got cut, and Lewis was a one year starter and Wallace was a great pick but left as a free agent.
2006 was an interesting draft. We had two 3rd round picks and they ended up being Willie Reid and Anthony Smith, both busts. We had 3 compensation picks that year, two 4th rounders and a 5th rounder. That ended up being Willie Colon, Orien Harris and Charles Davis. So one quality player and two busts in terms of those compensation picks. And out of 5 picks in rounds 3 through 5, we ended up with just Willie Colon to show for it.
When I look over our drafts with Colbert I don't want him to amass more picks I just want him to be smarter and use those extra picks to trade up and get Steeler types instead of just settling.
So, in 2014 we had two 3rd round picks, but the first one, at pick 83 went to Cleveland and then we used our remaining 3rd round pick on Dri Archer. Chances are we do not resign Thomas, so that was two 3rd round picks wasted in the 2014 draft and 3 picks total if you count that 4th rounder in 2013 spent on Thomas.
My biggest gripe against Colbert has been that he has a pretty good track record in the first two rounds and then things start to go off the rails when you get to the 3rd and 4th rounds and then worse even later only to improve again once they start signing undrafted free agents.
You look at the players we could have had in 2014 with those two 3rd round picks instead of Thomas and Archer.
Arizona's WR John Brown, Carolina's Pro Bowl guard Trai Turner, Atlanta's RB Devontae Freeman, NE 3rd down RB James White, Jacksonville's CB Aaron Colvin. I know it is popular to just say hey we could have drafted Ross Cockrell instead of Archer but we got him anyway so no big deal. Well, to me it is a big deal because we could have had more to show for two 3rd round picks and a 4th round pick than Ross 'Bent' Cockrell.
I am just tired of us missing out on, by one or two picks, players that we covet. If somebody is there that you want and there are one or two teams in front of you, use that 3rd round pick to move up and get that player. If O J Howard slips and is within reach, deal the 3rd, if you think Carl Lawson is a a great fit and is your guy and is two picks away and in danger of being poached by some other team, deal the 3rd. That is all I am saying.
It just seems like the history of this team with multiple high picks never seems to work out very well. Sure, our eyes light up and we think with multiple picks we will amass all of these great players in no time at all.
Yet when we had two first rounders in 1989 it ended up being Tim Worley and Tom Ricketts. In 2009 we had 3 3rd round picks which ended up being Kraig Urbick, Mike Wallace and Keenan Lewis. Urbick got cut, and Lewis was a one year starter and Wallace was a great pick but left as a free agent.
2006 was an interesting draft. We had two 3rd round picks and they ended up being Willie Reid and Anthony Smith, both busts. We had 3 compensation picks that year, two 4th rounders and a 5th rounder. That ended up being Willie Colon, Orien Harris and Charles Davis. So one quality player and two busts in terms of those compensation picks. And out of 5 picks in rounds 3 through 5, we ended up with just Willie Colon to show for it.
When I look over our drafts with Colbert I don't want him to amass more picks I just want him to be smarter and use those extra picks to trade up and get Steeler types instead of just settling.
Colbert is one of the best GM's in the business, with the track record to back it up across multiple coaches.
Coaching, on the other hand....
Coaching, on the other hand....
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Kodiak wrote:Colbert is one of the best GM's in the business, with the track record to back it up across multiple coaches.
Coaching, on the other hand....
WAS one of the best GM's, not anymore.
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Good post Scunge. I fully agree there has been a disconnect when drafting starts day 3. Just over the last couple drafts. Although they have had some very fortunate success in years past. Ayers turned out fairly solid for a 7th RND'er. Antonio really tipped the scales as a 6th RND'er. Chickillo and Walton are contributing for 6th RND'ers and Outlaw has done a great job as a 5th RND'er. Coates had some injury issues otherwise fit the bill and contributed as a 3rd RND'er as well.
Then you look back into the 2012/2011 not so much the success. Go back to 2009/2010 and you'll see they struck gold. Sanders, Wallace and Lewis all in the 3rd I'd say was pretty darn solid drafting. All players left and that happens. 2008 was the absolute worst draft for Colbert & Co. this century IMO. That said, you can look over the entire NFL I'm fairly certain every team has it's hits and misses throughout their draft history. Overall, Colbert and his scouting reps have done well. This team competes every season and seems to get progressively better each season. Not so much a homer statement as much as an observation. I'd love to see them strike Gold this draft with 4 draft spots in the first 105 picks. Actually pretty exciting.
Then you look back into the 2012/2011 not so much the success. Go back to 2009/2010 and you'll see they struck gold. Sanders, Wallace and Lewis all in the 3rd I'd say was pretty darn solid drafting. All players left and that happens. 2008 was the absolute worst draft for Colbert & Co. this century IMO. That said, you can look over the entire NFL I'm fairly certain every team has it's hits and misses throughout their draft history. Overall, Colbert and his scouting reps have done well. This team competes every season and seems to get progressively better each season. Not so much a homer statement as much as an observation. I'd love to see them strike Gold this draft with 4 draft spots in the first 105 picks. Actually pretty exciting.
