Mikey T

[steeledge]

Thinking this should be it's own thread...

The mental breakdowns, character concerns, and falling way short in heart or pride regardless of talent are like a recurring nightmare with this team, and the most glaring issue for me is the complete lack of discipline.
...obviously...

What's clearly absent is any standard for these grown-ass men to look to as an example of how not to act like spoiled, selfish, entitled brats.
...obviously...

This is not a foreboding, either. This team has looked like a bunch of gutless, heartless kids at the worst possible times for a few years now...looking back, it really started to deteriorate about halftime of the last superbowl loss, and has steadily gotten worse.
...obviously...

So, who should be held accountable for the general lack of maturity and discipline permeating the entire team?
...umm...do I really need to say it?

Dumb soft teams finish 8-8 and miss the playoffs.

gee, ya think?
They're also coached by dumb, soft HCs, especially when it becomes a pattern...

He was actually stupid enough to say in his post game presser:

what happened yesterday (Wednesday) had nothing to do with our performance tonight

The fool just doesn't get it, and I am done with buying into his pseudo-intelligent shyster drivel.

Mark it down: Mike Tomlin will not coach another championship team in Pittsburgh.

What's more, after another 8-8 (at best) no-playoff season, the Rooneys will sure be faced with a tough decision this January…
who stays, Mikey T or Ben R...

[StillMadAtSlobber]

The standard is the standard.

[Legacy User]

I've said it many times before, I challenge someone to articulate the coaching strengths of Tomlin without falling back to his past accomplishments.

Having a certain winning percentage or Super Bowl wins is NOT a strength...it may be a product of strength.

The one strength I've heard offered is that he's a players coach...players want to play for him (as if there are coaches for whom players wish not to play). I would even admit this is a strength but I think it has gone too far. Tomlin is probably TOO buddy buddy with his players...to the fact that he probably smokes with them. As a result his teams are fat, lazy and stupid, much like him.

Tomlin is a fraud. IF godwilling he leaves the Steelers he will never find success with another team. He lucked into a Super Bowl here...nothing but a mouthpiece...and now the emperor has no clothes...

[955876]

Not sure what all the fuss is about.

Eazy Eeeze Mikey T and Dickey's D seemed to be in mid-season form last night.

Remember, these are the guys who couldn't beat such vaunted QBs as Tim Teebow or Terrell Pryor.

[USS Steelerworks]

it really started to deteriorate about halftime of the last superbowl loss

Huh? Coming out of halftime in the Superbowl loss to the Packers the Steelers looked excellent. They scored on their opening two possessions to climb back into the game after they looked completely lost at the start.

[Legacy User]

The Peter Principle is the principle that "in a hierarchy every employee tends to rise to their level of incompetence".

Mikey has a commanding presence on the practice field. Everyone knows who's in charge, after that.

Maybe Chip Kelly built the type of team that team uniquely Tomlin can't beat but does well against everyone else. Maybe as an organization the running backs stunned everyone and hence the aweful display.

OTOH I don't know but the speed in lieu of strength up the middle of the defense concerns me. The lack of ability that is central to many roles from receivers being able to catch to punters being able to punt to defenders being able to shed to oline men being able to work as a unit concerns me. The lack of character, no core leaders concerns me.

Its just a preseason game but

[Legacy User]

I agree.

what happened yesterday (Wednesday) had nothing to do with our performance tonight

I'm glad that I'm not the only one that stood out for. I could let it pass as "none of your damn medias business it's execution anyway" type of coach speak. But this incident isn't singular. Far to much drug and alcohol related shit on this team since the Shamoo incident. I know what it's like to be young and out to party...I also realize just how much of it I got away with...without having an encounter with the police over under the influence behavior. Alarm bells went off for me at Clarks statements...then again when the Adams trial revealed the Steelers have a "fixer" that can make urine taken as preop at a hospital disappear and advise the accused on how to make a statement that get's a likely innocent charged with car jacking.

No, I can't dismiss this incident as singular and irrelevant to performance...this team doesn't compete the way it use to. One thing not to have the talent...another for half the starters to mail it in during the second quarter. This team has a culture problem...and it starts at the top.

[Steelafan77]

I'm past the "who is to blame" part and want to see some gawd damned solutions implemented, yesterday. IMO, there is too much talent on this team to squander. I'm sure some find this debatable. That's Cool too.

If this is a coaching flaw then do something about it. As Snoop stated "fire the motherfucker" and get back to championship football. When is the point going to sink in for this franchise?

Last nights game unfortunately was not an anomaly. This is what the Steelers do. They lose to the superior teams they would have competed with in the past and they lose to the inferior teams they would have dominated in the past.

Its like watching the Raiders North. Yeah I said it. I've lost a lot of faith in this team over the last several seasons and have tried to keep it checked. As a fan I was humiliated by last nights performance. No way do I spend my hard earned money on a sorry ass embarrassing team like that.

/end rant

[steeledge]

If this is a coaching flaw then do something about it. As Snoop stated "fire the motherfucker" and get back to championship football. When is the point going to sink in for this franchise?

perhaps, but to Mr. Dog, et al, I respectfully say...


"Todd Haley is not the coaching flaw you're looking for"

Not sure if he's smoke-blind or seeing things through glasses of a certain color, but he needs to refocus his anger to where the real problem sits...

[lifelongsteel]

He's an average coach in a league where coaching seems to make a bigger difference every year.

The difference between the top guys - BB, Chip, Jim H - and the average guys may be as much as 4 wins a year

[steeledge]

He's an average coach in a league where coaching seems to make a bigger difference every year.

The difference between the top guys - BB, Chip, Jim H - and the average guys may be as much as 4 wins a year

Riddle me this: just how many ex HCs do the Rooneys need to bring in till they realize that no amount of codling and hand-holding can make this guy step up and take the lead required for him to consistently succeed in his role?
After 8 years, he's never going to get it, "obviously", but will the Rooneys?

[Gonzo]

I agree.

what happened yesterday (Wednesday) had nothing to do with our performance tonight

I'm glad that I'm not the only one that stood out for. I could let it pass as "none of your damn medias business it's execution anyway" type of coach speak. But this incident isn't singular. Far to much drug and alcohol related shit on this team since the Shamoo incident. I know what it's like to be young and out to party...I also realize just how much of it I got away with...without having an encounter with the police over under the influence behavior. Alarm bells went off for me at Clarks statements...then again when the Adams trial revealed the Steelers have a "fixer" that can make urine taken as preop at a hospital disappear and advise the accused on how to make a statement that get's a likely innocent charged with car jacking.

No, I can't dismiss this incident as singular and irrelevant to performance...this team doesn't compete the way it use to. One thing not to have the talent...another for half the starters to mail it in during the second quarter. This team has a culture problem...and it starts at the top.

That is a good and simple way to put it - " this team doesn't compete the way it use to"
And IMO it is not happenstance or the result of purely lack of talent. I think the lack of toughness, talent, cohesion or whatever you want to call it is a direct result of the the hodgepodge and shallow approach to building this football team and a seeming complete disregard for stressing the little things that win games. I am starting to think the pseudo-intellectual bullshit we heard from the HC isn't simply media distraction but the full extent of it.

[Legacy User]

Someone wrote in another thread this is the year Mike T. will be exposed as a fraud.

Scares me, but I don't think thats out of the realm of possibility

[Legacy User]

Someone wrote in another thread this is the year Mike T. will be exposed as a fraud.

Scares me, but I don't think thats out of the realm of possibility

That was me. I've felt like he was more style than substance for years now...the Super Bowl win bought him a good chunk of time, but even Mikey T is starting to lose faith in his own hype now.

[Legacy User]

Someone wrote in another thread this is the year Mike T. will be exposed as a fraud.

Scares me, but I don't think thats out of the realm of possibility

Why does it scare you?

Not like it's a surprise or someone is gonna jump out at you in a dark alley and yell "Tomlin sucks!"

It is what it is....he's a mediocre at best HC.

[Legacy User]

Someone wrote in another thread this is the year Mike T. will be exposed as a fraud.

Scares me, but I don't think thats out of the realm of possibility

That was me. I've felt like he was more style than substance for years now...the Super Bowl win bought him a good chunk of time, but even Mikey T is starting to lose faith in his own hype now.

Never mind then, you're way too much of a complainer for me. Had I realized the author, may have taken with more of a grain of salt

[Gonzo]

For several years they have drafted guys that in now way fit the football they are trying to play.
Mind you they also coach the current football they are trying to play in a manner not conducive either.

They want to play this attrition crap, but they want to,play it:
With Players that are more athlete than tough
In clinical fashion without heart or creativity - I point this out because the concept of "imposing ones will" in football requires dedication to kick ass through a game and beat down your opponent.
Despite playing an attrition game they do nothing to wear down their opponent physically or mentally
Despite playing a game that limits opportunity they do not capitalise on little,things, utilize discipline, avoid mental mistakes and in fact appear to purposefully eschew such concepts.
Despite issues of talent they refuse to play football around their best talent
And despite losing they rigidly adhere to this and refuse any change even when temporarily successful.

This is no square peg meets hammer - this IMHO is very shallow reasoning being applied at the top.

I keep waiting and hoping that there will be even the slightest change because even the best are wrong sometime. What worries me most is that it never comes and despite short streaks of success with other concepts we always return

[jeemie]

I lost faith in Tomlin last year at Thanksgiving when he played the three games after the humiliation to New England by throwing a little caution to the wind, and then, after playing that way gave his team a chance to seize its playoff destiny back, he came out with a game plan against the Ravens designed to "limit mistakes" because he was worried about "coming into a hostile environment on a short week".

And played that way for two and a half quarters before desperation forced his hand...and then at the end, went back and played a four minute offense, hinging his team's chances of success on a play that gets converted 30% of the time, tops.

I said from the beginning, back in 2007, that I could live with Tomlin's inevitable mistakes if he showed he could learn and adapt.

He never has.

[steeledge]

Someone wrote in another thread this is the year Mike T. will be exposed as a fraud.

Scares me, but I don't think thats out of the realm of possibility

That was me. I've felt like he was more style than substance for years now...the Super Bowl win bought him a good chunk of time, but even Mikey T is starting to lose faith in his own hype now.

Never mind then, you're way too much of a complainer for me. Had I realized the author, may have taken with more of a grain of salt

Truth is truth, dude...

[Donnie Brasco]

I said from the beginning, back in 2007, that I could live with Tomlin's inevitable mistakes if he showed he could learn and adapt.

He never has.

Mike Tomlin = Dan Bylsma

[Legacy User]

That's not a terrible comparison

[Legacy User]

Mike Tomlin vs a head of lettuce

[steeledge]

That's not a terrible comparison

You are not a disagreeable poster in this thread, IC...

[Aussie_steeler]

Someone wrote in another thread this is the year Mike T. will be exposed as a fraud.

Scares me, but I don't think thats out of the realm of possibility

I thought I would look at the talent Mike Tomlin inherited at each transitional point of his NFL career. I have thought ever since the initial hire that he may have been a lucky SOB who was in the right places at the right time.



2001 - 2005 Tampa Bay Secondary Coach

2001 9-7
2002 12 - 4
2003 7-9
2004 5-11
2005 11- 5

Players Inherited 2001 - 2002

LCB Brian Kelly (2nd Round Pick 1998)
RCB Rhonde Barber (3rd Round Pick 1997) 5 pro Bowls
SS John Lynch (3rd Round Pick (1993) 9 Pro bowls 2014 Hall of Fame Finalist
FS Dexter Jackson (4th Round Pick ( 1999)

2006 Minnesota Vikings Defensive Co-ordinator ( 6-10 record)
Inherited Starting Defence

LDE Darrion Scott ( 3rd Round 2004)
LDT Pat Williams(Undrafted ) 3 Pro Bowls
RDT Kevin Williams ( 1st Round 2003) 6 Pro Bowls
RDE Kenechi Udeze ( 1st Round 2004)
LLB Ben Leber (3rd Round 2002)
MLB Napoleon Harris ( 1st Round 2002)
RLG EJ Henderson ( 2nd Round 2003) 1 Pro Bowl
LCB Antoine Winfield ( 1st Round 1999) 3 Pro Bowls
RCB Fred Smoot (2nd Round 2001)
SS Darren Sharper ( 2nd Round 1997) 5 Pro Bowls
FS Dwight Smith ( 3rd Round 2001)

Rushing Defence NFL Rank 1st
Passing Defence NFL Rank 31st
Total Defence NFL 8th


2007 Pittsburgh Steelers
You know what he inherited, unless


The NFL is a results based industry.

As many have stated in other threads " Talent = success" and I might use a golf analogy to make my point

It has been stated that every time a professional golfer collects a cheque they should donate a percentage to Arnold Palmer for the road he pathed for all of those who followed

I think Mike Tomlin should donate a percentage of every dollar he earns to Rhonde Barber, John Lynch and especially Pat and Kevin Williams.

I will leave you with my current view of Kevin Colbert and Mike Tomlin

[jeemie]

Tomlin also benefited in 2002 when Bill Callahan went from a run-heavy attack he had gameplanned on Monday to a pass-heavy attack...of pass plays mostly from Jon Gruden's playbook when he was Raiders' HC...on Friday (at least, according to Tim Brown and Jerry Rice, that's what happened).

So Tomlin's secondary looked fantastic on the game's biggest stage.

Easy to pick off a lot of passes when you know where they are going with the ball.

[Legacy User]

Mike Tomlin = Dan Bylsma

Dont say that, we'll end up signing Craig Adams and Tanner Glass!

[Donnie Brasco]

Mike Tomlin = Dan Bylsma

Dont say that, we'll end up signing Craig Adams and Tanner Glass!

We resigned Keisel, same thing

[steeledge]

Pages so far: 3
Tomlin defenders: 0

Nobody even remotely challenged the bold prediction:

Mike Tomlin will never coach a Pittsburgh Steelers Championship team again

If this season turns out the way it's headed and I'm Ben Roethlisberger, there's no effing way I stick around after January unless Mike Tomlin is shown the door.

[955876]

Pages so far: 3
Tomlin defenders: 0

Nobody even remotely challenged the bold prediction:

Mike Tomlin will never coach a Pittsburgh Steelers Championship team again

If this season turns out the way it's headed and I'm Ben Roethlisberger, there's no effing way I stick around after January unless Mike Tomlin is shown the door.

This...

Miss the playoffs this year with our schedule and either Tomlin or Colbert need to go.

Or both.

Lebeau allowed to "retire"

[Kodiak]

Miss the playoffs this year with our schedule and either Tomlin or Colbert need to go.

Or both.

Lebeau allowed to "retire"

I'd keep Colbert and bring back The Chin.