Emmanuel Sanders: Denver is 'wide receiver heaven'

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Re: Emmanuel Sanders: Denver is 'wide receiver heaven'

Post by bradshaw2ben » Mon Jul 14, 2014 12:24 pm

Sanders was a better blocker than Ward while they were both on the roster.

We will definitely miss him because AB, Wheaton, & Moore aren't going to block anyone. Hell, just put those three on the field with Paulson and Archer and we would field the worst blocking 10 in the entire NFL.

If we're going to rely heavily on run game, we have to have someone on the edge who can block or else we'll have to use formation to get blockers out of the box.



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Post by Legacy User » Mon Jul 14, 2014 12:43 pm

bradshaw2ben wrote:Sanders was a better blocker than Ward while they were both on the roster.

We will definitely miss him because AB, Wheaton, & Moore aren't going to block anyone. Hell, just put those three on the field with Paulson and Archer and we would field the worst blocking 10 in the entire NFL.

If we're going to rely heavily on run game, we have to have someone on the edge who can block or else we'll have to use formation to get blockers out of the box.


Not that he'll see the field much, but can Bryant block worth a shit? I have no idea as I don't follow college ball.

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Post by Legacy User » Mon Jul 14, 2014 1:27 pm

Still Lit wrote:Not that he'll see the field much, but can Bryant block worth a shit? I have no idea as I don't follow college ball.


Even more then the drop rate...MB's play away from the ball is the reason he lasted to the fourth round. He is a half hearted run blocker at best...probably the most loafs of any receiver I looked at. On the other hand...his drop rate might be more open to interpretation then any WR in this draft...he had to work for his receptions, Boyd was horrid most of the time. I think with better effort...even with the drops...he is a second round talent...hell if you cut his drop rate in half he is a first rounder with the loafs...he likely has as much ceiling as most first round picks. Real boom or bust prospect.

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Post by Ice » Mon Jul 14, 2014 1:34 pm

Going to need coached up. I would also keep him as close to AB and Lance Moore's hip as possible. There are some high effort receivers on this team, who should all be good influences on a guy like Bryant.

I agree that the drop percentage has to be taken with a grain of salt. Burress and Ward looked a hell of a lot better when Stewart was swapped out for Maddox, let alone Ben.
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Post by bradshaw2ben » Mon Jul 14, 2014 1:44 pm

Bryant also has a basketball body. I'd like to see him work the off the field S&C like TO.

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Post by Legacy User » Mon Jul 14, 2014 1:46 pm

bradshaw2ben wrote:Bryant also has a basketball body. I'd like to see him work the off the field S&C like TO.


With EZ basketball jump skills? Yeah, let's get some S&C going. 8-)

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Post by Ice » Mon Jul 14, 2014 2:18 pm

Boom or bust, definitely, but that's why you don't pull the trigger until the 4th. If the issues are effort and attitude, those can be fixed with coaching and high expectations from teammates. His WR partners are AB and Lance Moore, his QB is Ben Roethlisberger, Hell, even Heath Miller is a consummate professional. Not a bad group.
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Post by Legacy User » Mon Jul 14, 2014 2:20 pm

Ice wrote:Boom or bust, definitely, but that's why you don't pull the trigger until the 4th. If the issues are effort and attitude, those can be fixed with coaching and high expectations from teammates. His WR partners are AB and Lance Moore, his QB is Ben Roethlisberger, Hell, even Heath Miller is a consummate professional. Not a bad group.


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Post by Steelafan77 » Mon Jul 14, 2014 2:32 pm

UDFA TE Eric Waters also has a basketball history. Playing football only a couple years I believe. Waters has blocking skills in addition to that basketball playing agility that could equate to a quality sleeper. Played ST's as well as TE at Missouri. Waters doesn't have the blazing speed @ 4.7+ 40 either. Listed at 6'3 244 at the time of his pro day. A 1.62 10 split, a 39" vert, 10'02" broad jump, 4.39 short shuttle and a 7.17 3 cone.

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Post by Ice » Mon Jul 14, 2014 2:35 pm

It's pretty OT, but I would say the same thing about a guy like Shaquille Richardson a round later. Lebeau and Lake as coaches, guys like Ike, Willie Gay (say what you want, he's an NFL player way more through hard work than top talent), Tez Allen to look at as players.

That we are looking at WR and CB as probably areas where depth is a question and young guys may have to step up is almost a good thing, when you consider the situations with coaching and established, hard working vets to learn from.
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Post by Legacy User » Mon Jul 14, 2014 2:35 pm

A huge part of my best case scenario involves at least a red zone package featuring Bryant.

Waters and Mauro are the two players I really like among the the UDFAs...much more so then Jones who is getting the spotlight at this point.

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Post by Steelafan77 » Mon Jul 14, 2014 2:42 pm

Yep, agree Zivco. Mauro is another UDFA I like. Surprising that Mauro wasn't drafted though. SBI

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Post by Ice » Mon Jul 14, 2014 3:11 pm

Yeah, I would have been happy with Mauro as a 7th round pick, so it's a great UDFA pickup. Was the one that made me smile when I originally read the list.
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Post by Legacy User » Mon Jul 14, 2014 4:05 pm

bradshaw2ben wrote:Sanders was a better blocker than Ward while they were both on the roster.

We will definitely miss him because AB, Wheaton, & Moore aren't going to block anyone. Hell, just put those three on the field with Paulson and Archer and we would field the worst blocking 10 in the entire NFL.

If we're going to rely heavily on run game, we have to have someone on the edge who can block or else we'll have to use formation to get blockers out of the box.



That reminds me. I was hoping in the back of my head that they would bring in Ward to coach the youngsters on blocking. If it was me Id give AB the heads up and ask him to go along with it, as the leader of the current crop. IE if AB is willing then the rest will willingly fall into line.

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Post by Legacy User » Mon Jul 14, 2014 10:21 pm

Ward has a job.

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Post by StillMadAtSlobber » Tue Jul 15, 2014 4:11 pm

bradshaw2ben wrote:
Steelafan77 wrote:I remember reading that Sanders likes the denver mannings offense better cause he is being asked to do less. Namely, he won't be forced to block for team mates. Can't remember the interview article I read that but I remember Sanders making statements about how much better his assignments were in the manning offense and that he was more comfortable with them feeling like they suited him perfectly. Sanders is soft but that comes as no surprise here.

you're talking about our best WR blocker since he's been here-- what does that say about the remaining guys?



What does it say about the blocking WR that the most devastating block by a Steeler WR not named Hines Ward was by Limas Sweed?
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Post by StillMadAtSlobber » Tue Jul 15, 2014 4:13 pm

Zivco wrote:
Still Lit wrote:Not that he'll see the field much, but can Bryant block worth a shit? I have no idea as I don't follow college ball.


Even more then the drop rate...MB's play away from the ball is the reason he lasted to the fourth round. He is a half hearted run blocker at best...probably the most loafs of any receiver I looked at. On the other hand...his drop rate might be more open to interpretation then any WR in this draft...he had to work for his receptions, Boyd was horrid most of the time. I think with better effort...even with the drops...he is a second round talent...hell if you cut his drop rate in half he is a first rounder with the loafs...he likely has as much ceiling as most first round picks. Real boom or bust prospect.


So Randy Moss size, speed and effort level.
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Post by Kodiak » Tue Jul 15, 2014 7:26 pm

Saw GB is hoping to run 75 plays per game on offense (average nearly 69 with Rodgers last year).

So that's teams with Brady, Manning and Rodgers all hoping to run more plays and put defenses on their heels.
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Post by 955876 » Tue Jul 15, 2014 8:33 pm

I was hoping in the back of my head that they would bring in Ward to coach the youngsters on blocking.


If the professional coach we already employ to coach the WRs cannot teach this then maybe we should be looking for another WR coach. Ward can throw his name in the mix if interested.

Not jumping on you. Just think it's redundant. We already employ a WR coach. Do we really need another to teach blocking?

Especially since much of Ward's highlight shit has now been made illegal.

A WR blocking is as much "want to" as it is technique.

Ward wanted to. That fire needs to be there.
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Post by Nick79 » Tue Jul 15, 2014 8:46 pm

WRs should be drafted on recieving skill 1st, and if they can block, that's an added bonus. How great of a run blocker was Lynn Swann? Not saying they shouldn't be good at blocking, or trying to block, but it's not their job #1.

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Post by Legacy User » Wed Jul 16, 2014 3:29 pm

SteelerzEdsaL7 wrote:
bradshaw2ben wrote:Sanders was a better blocker than Ward while they were both on the roster.

We will definitely miss him because AB, Wheaton, & Moore aren't going to block anyone. Hell, just put those three on the field with Paulson and Archer and we would field the worst blocking 10 in the entire NFL.

If we're going to rely heavily on run game, we have to have someone on the edge who can block or else we'll have to use formation to get blockers out of the box.



That reminds me. I was hoping in the back of my head that they would bring in Ward to coach the youngsters on blocking. If it was me Id give AB the heads up and ask him to go along with it, as the leader of the current crop. IE if AB is willing then the rest will willingly fall into line.


Given the way people are reading into hiring Porter, I'm sure that would go well.

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