I wonder…

[StillerDownSouth]

I wonder if Ben letting a few teammates and others in the organization that this will be it for him, as was reported by everyone last week, if he isn’t maybe trying to create a Bettis situation when Ben took Bettis to the promise round. I believe we were 7-5 that year before they went on that magical ride, just food for thought. Maybe this year Najee can carry Ben to the ship, hey one can only dream.

[StillerDownSouth]

Also, the 05 season was the last time we beat the Bears, and guess what, we beat the Bears this year, it’s a strange universe.

[LakecrestSteeler]

Pat McAffee runs with this topic on his show today. He used Ray Lewis, then Bettis.

[StillerDownSouth]

Pat McAffee runs with this topic on his show today. He used Ray Lewis, then Bettis.

I’ll have to take a listen tomorrow, I love his show and usually try to catch it a few times a week.

[SteelerDayTrader]

I doubt it

I think Ben could easily play a few more years at a high level

The problem is he is surrounded by bitch ass MFers

[JackLambert58]

In his own crude way, STD may be right about this. The teammates surrounding Bettis and also Ray Lewis were a damn sight more talented than Ben's current teammates.

[Ice]

In his own crude way, STD may be right about this. The teammates surrounding Bettis and also Ray Lewis were a damn sight more talented than Ben's current teammates.

A temporary brain transplant involving Ray Lewis could fix some of our ILB issues this season quite nicely.

[W&M_Steeler]

In his own crude way, STD may be right about this. The teammates surrounding Bettis and also Ray Lewis were a damn sight more talented than Ben's current teammates.

A temporary brain transplant involving Ray Lewis could fix some of our ILB issues this season quite nicely.

Somebody needs to get Devin Bush some deer antler spray.

[Jizz Mop]

Pleasant thought….but our 2021 Steelers aren’t some Hallmark made for TV movie.

They blow.

The team that won for Bettis, in Detroit, had passion and talent.

This team? Few leaders, less passion and talent.

Would be a nice story….that’s all, a story.

[Duce318]

Also, the 05 season was the last time we beat the Bears, and guess what, we beat the Bears this year, it’s a strange universe.

We also beat Detroit the last game of the year in '05...How'd we do against them this year?

[Ice]

Also, the 05 season was the last time we beat the Bears, and guess what, we beat the Bears this year, it’s a strange universe.

We also beat Detroit the last game of the year in '05...How'd we do against them this year?

We would need to play the team closest to where Ben grew up in the final game of the season, and, as luck would have it, we're playing the Browns. Didn't you know Bettis was from Detroit?

There was an out of the US game vs. Minnesota that year, as well, don't know if that breaks the matrix...

[Jobu]

In his own crude way, STD may be right about this. The teammates surrounding Bettis and also Ray Lewis were a damn sight more talented than Ben's current teammates.

A temporary brain transplant involving Ray Lewis could fix some of our ILB issues this season quite nicely.

Bush was pretty good at jumping on the pile 12 yards past the LOS in his rookie season…does that count?
Or does he need to do some ridiculous looking dance when he enters the field?

[StillerDownSouth]

Everyone on the old board in 05 was ready to fire Cowher, didn't think he could ever lead us to a title, as well, yet another correlation, I'm no Tomlin apologist by any means, just pointing this out.

Here's the deal, if we somehow play the Bengals in the 1st round of the playoffs and destroy Burrow's knee, I'm booking tickets.

[Kodiak.]

Cowher's problem was he had a huge disadvantage at QB, and "choked" away big playoff games against HOFers Aikman, Elway (twice) and Brady (twice).

Once Cowher got himself a future HOFer at QB, well the rest is history. So what the hell is Tomlin's excuse?!?

[Ice]

Cowher's problem was he had a huge disadvantage at QB, and "choked" away big playoff games against HOFers Aikman, Elway (twice) and Brady (twice).

Once Cowher got himself a future HOFer at QB, well the rest is history. So what the hell is Tomlin's excuse?!?

I mean, Cowher's disadvantage at quarterback was largely self-inflicted, due to lessons learned from Papa Schottenheimer, who also stressed building the rest of the roster at the expense of the QB position.

[Kodiak.]

I mean, Cowher's disadvantage at quarterback was largely self-inflicted, due to lessons learned from Papa Schottenheimer, who also stressed building the rest of the roster at the expense of the QB position.

We've been over and over this. There was almost NOBODY Cowher could have gotten to play QB. Not in FA, and not where they were drafting. QB play in that era was really not good - a handful of future HOFers and then a huge gap to a bunch of guys who were no better than Korkie or O'Donnell.

Cowher, QB's and Shaun Andrews is a prototypical Facebook meme...simply not true.

[SteelerDayTrader]

I mean, Cowher's disadvantage at quarterback was largely self-inflicted, due to lessons learned from Papa Schottenheimer, who also stressed building the rest of the roster at the expense of the QB position.

We've been over and over this. There was almost NOBODY Cowher could have gotten to play QB. Not in FA, and not where they were drafting.

Bullshit

[Jizz Mop]

STD

Are you long in DWAC?

[Pabst]

I mean, Cowher's disadvantage at quarterback was largely self-inflicted, due to lessons learned from Papa Schottenheimer, who also stressed building the rest of the roster at the expense of the QB position.

We've been over and over this. There was almost NOBODY Cowher could have gotten to play QB. Not in FA, and not where they were drafting.

Bullshit

Howdy. Here's every single QB drafted between 1992 and 2003. Please tell me who Cowher should have taken:
Carson Palmer
Byron Leftwich
Kyle Boller
Rex Grossman
Dave Ragone
Chris Simms
Seneca Wallace
Brian St. Pierre
Drew Henson
Brooks Bollinger
Kliff Kingsbury
Gibran Hamdan
Ken Dorsey
David Carr
Joey Harrington
Patrick Ramsey
Josh McCown
David Garrard
Rohan Davey
Randy Fasani
Kurt Kittner
Brandon Doman
Craig Nall
J.T. O'Sullivan
Steve Bellisari
Seth Burford
Jeff Kelly
Ronald Curry
Wes Pate
Michael Vick
Drew Brees
Quincy Carter
Marques Tuiasosopo
Chris Weinke
Sage Rosenfels
Jesse Palmer
Mike McMahon
A.J. Feeley
Josh Booty
Josh Heupel
Chad Pennington
Giovanni Carmazzi
Chris Redman
Tee Martin
Marc Bulger
Spergon Wynn
Tom Brady
Todd Husak
JaJuan Seider
Tim Rattay
Jarious Jackson
Joe Hamilton
Tim Couch
Donovan McNabb
Akili Smith
Daunte Culpepper
Cade McNown
Shaun King
Brock Huard
Joe Germaine
Aaron Brooks
Kevin Daft
Michael Bishop
Chris Greisen
Scott Covington
Peyton Manning
Ryan Leaf
Charlie Batch
Jonathan Quinn
Brian Griese
John Dutton
Matt Hasselbeck
Moses Moreno
Jim Druckenmiller
Jake Plummer
Danny Wuerffel
Pat Barnes
Mike Cherry
Chuck Clements
Tony Graziani
Koy Detmer
Wally Richardson
Tony Corbin
Ronnie McAda
Tony Banks
Bobby Hoying
Jeff Lewis
Danny Kanell
Spence Fischer
Mike Cawley
Jon Stark
Kyle Wachholtz
Steve McNair
Kerry Collins
Todd Collins
Kordell Stewart
Stoney Case
Eric Zeier
Rob Johnson
Chad May
Dave Barr
Steve Stenstrom
Jay Barker
Jerry Colquitt
Craig Whelihan
John Walsh
Heath Shuler
Trent Dilfer
Perry Klein
Doug Nussmeier
Jim Miller
Gus Frerotte
Jay Walker
Steve Matthews
Glenn Foley
Drew Bledsoe
Rick Mirer
Billy Joe Hobert
Mark Brunell
Gino Torretta
Alex Van Pelt
Elvis Grbac
Trent Green
Dave Brown
David Klingler
Tommy Maddox
Matt Blundin
Tony Sacca
Craig Erickson
Casey Weldon
Will Furrer
Chris Hakel
Jeff Blake
Ricky Jones
Kent Graham
Bucky Richardson
Mike Pawlawski
Brad Johnson
T.J. Rubley
Ty Detmer
Mark Barsotti
Keithen McCant
Cornelius Benton
Matt Rodgers

[SteelerDayTrader]

STD

Are you long in DWAC?

I only trade futures

And I only trade /MES futures

[Ice]

I mean, Cowher's disadvantage at quarterback was largely self-inflicted, due to lessons learned from Papa Schottenheimer, who also stressed building the rest of the roster at the expense of the QB position.

We've been over and over this. There was almost NOBODY Cowher could have gotten to play QB. Not in FA, and not where they were drafting. QB play in that era was really not good - a handful of future HOFers and then a huge gap to a bunch of guys who were no better than Korkie or O'Donnell.

Cowher, QB's and Shaun Andrews is a prototypical Facebook meme...simply not true.

I feel like over a period of 15 years, more attention could have been paid in the draft than Kordell and Jim Miller, but that's just me. And hey, it's not like the philosophy was unsuccessful. The Steelers won a ton of regular season games, and got to some AFCCGs and a Super Bowl on the strength of some really, really strong overall rosters that just happened to be pretty deficient at QB. Then, when they finally got one, the roster was all set for a couple of runs. In short, it worked, to a large extent.

[Deebo]

Pat McAffee runs with this topic on his show today. He used Ray Lewis, then Bettis.

Bettis and Lewis are 2 beloved media figures. Yes the same guy who was at least an accomplice to murder, is lauded by the NFL and the media types.

So yea both of those guys might have gotten a "thumb on the scale" from the NFL, Roth will get no such quarter given to him. Everyone hates the dude because of Fat Fuck Peter King

[Kodiak.]

I feel like over a period of 15 years, more attention could have been paid in the draft than Kordell and Jim Miller,

Again, who should they have taken? Someone else posted a list. There were literally like 3 - THREE - people he could have taken. Brady. Warner. And 1 other name I'm forgetting.

There really weren't any available upgrades. There were only a handful of decent QB's in that era, and most of them ended-up being HOFers. Probably why it was such a big advantage.

[Kodiak.]

Howdy. Here's every single QB drafted between 1992 and 2003. Please tell me who Cowher should have taken:

Again, this conversation comes up at least every other year. And you are 100% correct.

But as Costanza use to say, it's not a lie if you believe it. And it's hardly the only "meme" that's been shared so much that people now believe it to be true, no matter how many times it gets knocked down here even regular posters continue to buy-in.

[Pabst]

Howdy. Here's every single QB drafted between 1992 and 2003. Please tell me who Cowher should have taken:

Again, this conversation comes up at least every other year. And you are 100% correct.

But as Costanza use to say, it's not a lie if you believe it. And it's hardly the only "meme" that's been shared so much that people now believe it to be true, no matter how many times it gets knocked down here even regular posters continue to buy-in.

Yep.

And may I take this opportunity to shit on the Browns franchise?

They passed on Roethlisberger in 2004, taking Kellen Winslow instead
They passed on Aaron Rodgers in 2005, taking Braylon Edwards instead
They took Johnny Manziel over Teddy Bridgewater & David Carr in 2014.
They traded out of the 2nd and 8th picks in 2016 (which wound up being Carson Wentz and Jack Conklin) in order to take Corey Coleman.
They passed on Patrick Mahomes in 2017, taking Miles Garrett instead.
They took Baker Mayfield over Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson in 2018

Oh yeah, they drafted Brady Quinn and Brandon Weeden, too.

That is terrible management at the QB position. The worst you can say about Cowher is that he could have found a Trent Green or Mark Bulger in the middle rounds, but didn't.

[Ice]

Like I said, not like underselling the QB position didn't work out okay. Kordell was a moon shot... could have paid huge dividends, and heck, it did pay large ones. Meanwhile, focus on the Oline and RBs on O, and largely ignored 34 DEs and OLBs on D. It may have been driven by necessity, it may have been driven by philosophy, but it was certainly the strategy.

[Texas Steel]

STD

Are you long in DWAC?

ahahhaah!

I got in DWAC early, then it hit 90 and I cashed out nicely.

[Jizz Mop]

STD

Are you long in DWAC?

ahahhaah!

I got in DWAC early, then it hit 90 and I cashed out nicely.

Nice

Ran up to $175 as you know

Now it’s trying to combat short positions, SEC, Nunes hire, etc

[Kodiak.]

It may have been driven by necessity, it may have been driven by philosophy, but it was certainly the strategy.

I don't think you intended it as such, but there's really no other way to read that than a ringing endorsement of Cowher as a realist, with a plan reflecting reality.

[Kodiak.]

The worst you can say about Cowher is that he could have found a Trent Green or Mark Bulger in the middle rounds, but didn't.

Yep. He didn't destroy his team by diving into the QB lottery every year. This meme mostly keeps it sea legs with the other fiction that Cowher was deadset on Shaun Andrews. That's also been discredited. Ben fell to them unexpectedly - they spent like 30 seconds debating when Rooney stated the obvious that they had to take Ben. They were never remotely close to NOT taking Ben.