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SI says Russ is the starter v Jets

Post by Dan Smith--BYU » Tue Oct 15, 2024 4:53 pm



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Post by SteelerDayTrader » Tue Oct 15, 2024 5:03 pm

Hopefully this means there is at least talk of no re-signing JF longterm
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Post by anpsteel » Tue Oct 15, 2024 5:48 pm

Apparently Tomlin is indicating Wilson is going to start.

People on social media are having a melt down

You would think Tomlin just murdered someone


Anyway, I'll tell you who should be happy, all the WR and all the RBs.

It may take a quarter or so, but the RBs will stop seeing so many stacked fronts, and the receivers will actually get passes thrown to them.

Now I'm going to make an assumption, and that is, Russ is allowed to audible out of shitty calls... so lets hope the OLine gets a little relief too.
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Post by Deebo » Tue Oct 15, 2024 5:56 pm

Ya'll know I'm the inaugural member of the "Hate Tomlin Club", but I see it differently.
I actually admire Tomlin for identifying that while Fields was good enough, there's still a ton of meat left on that Offensive bone.

Probably easier to do this now for a couple reasons:

1. If Wilson stinks, they'll know he won't be in their plans for next season and beyond. Eliminating an option brings you closer to clarity
2. They'll see how JF responds to being 2nd fiddle. If he's a professional about it (unlike KP8) that'll bode well for him.

If RW getting playing time was always going to happen, then I'm glad they made this move now. You can't go any further into the season with JF likely having a winning record but playing mediocre and justify the move to RW to the rest of the lockerroom.

Wilson better play well out of the gate or he may get a quick hook.

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Post by swissvale72 » Tue Oct 15, 2024 6:08 pm

anpsteel wrote:
Tue Oct 15, 2024 5:48 pm
Apparently Tomlin is indicating Wilson is going to start.

People on social media are having a melt down

You would think Tomlin just murdered someone


Anyway, I'll tell you who should be happy, all the WR and all the RBs.

It may take a quarter or so, but the RBs will stop seeing so many stacked fronts, and the receivers will actually get passes thrown to them.

Now I'm going to make an assumption, and that is, Russ is allowed to audible out of shitty calls... so lets hope the OLine gets a little relief too.
Except...that's not at all what Tomlin said. I listened to the whole presser. He was non-commital, to the extent that when he was asked when he would decide, said "I don't know"

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Post by Steeldrama » Tue Oct 15, 2024 6:13 pm

If Tomlin does in fact start Russy, my guess is it's because Tomlin promised Russ that if he signed with the Steelers he would be the starter (or at least get first crack as the starter).

Fields' play has left just enough of a door open for Mikey to keep his promise and allow Russ his chance to be the starter.

I'm not rooting for Russ to bomb

But

I will enjoy the comedy of it if (when) he does (If Frazier out, that OL is going to be extra leaky).

Tomlin and the Canda/Uncle Artie offense deserve any and all misfortune that comes their way.

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Post by Dan Smith--BYU » Tue Oct 15, 2024 6:29 pm

"I actually admire Tomlin for identifying that while Fields was good enough, there's still a ton of meat left on that Offensive bone."

I agree, especially since Fields is kind of a QB mirror of Tomlin as a coach: high floor, limited ceiling.
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Post by swissvale72 » Tue Oct 15, 2024 6:31 pm

The Frazier injury could be the deciding factor

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Post by StillerInCT » Tue Oct 15, 2024 6:35 pm

I think this might signal that we're going to open up the offense a bit and attempt some throws closer to the first down markers.
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Post by anpsteel » Tue Oct 15, 2024 6:44 pm

swissvale72 wrote:
Tue Oct 15, 2024 6:08 pm
anpsteel wrote:
Tue Oct 15, 2024 5:48 pm
Apparently Tomlin is indicating Wilson is going to start.

People on social media are having a melt down

You would think Tomlin just murdered someone


Anyway, I'll tell you who should be happy, all the WR and all the RBs.

It may take a quarter or so, but the RBs will stop seeing so many stacked fronts, and the receivers will actually get passes thrown to them.

Now I'm going to make an assumption, and that is, Russ is allowed to audible out of shitty calls... so lets hope the OLine gets a little relief too.
Except...that's not at all what Tomlin said. I listened to the whole presser. He was non-commital, to the extent that when he was asked when he would decide, said "I don't know"
I'll take your word.

I haven't listened to the press conference.

Just responding to the "sky is falling" reactions on various social media platforms.
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Post by Jobu » Tue Oct 15, 2024 6:44 pm

StillerInCT wrote:
Tue Oct 15, 2024 6:35 pm
I think this might signal that we're going to open up the offense a bit and attempt some throws closer to the first down markers.
Sure.
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Post by CzechSteeler » Tue Oct 15, 2024 6:55 pm

StillerInCT wrote:
Tue Oct 15, 2024 6:35 pm
I think this might signal that we're going to open up the offense a bit and attempt some throws closer to the first down markers.
Closer, not behind.

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Post by Dan Smith--BYU » Tue Oct 15, 2024 7:09 pm

Fucking SI: when you dig deeper, Tomlin was in fact less committal.
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Post by K_C_ » Tue Oct 15, 2024 7:11 pm

I have no problem with this but if I’m Justin Fields, I’d stay loose.

Zero doubt we’ll see him starting again soon enough.
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Post by Stosh-67 » Tue Oct 15, 2024 7:15 pm

CzechSteeler wrote:
Tue Oct 15, 2024 6:55 pm
StillerInCT wrote:
Tue Oct 15, 2024 6:35 pm
I think this might signal that we're going to open up the offense a bit and attempt some throws closer to the first down markers.
Closer, not behind.
Throwing closer to the first down marker would mean throws that will be close to the first down marker, but not throws at the first down marker for first downs to be converted....... to first downs.
Who doesn't like first downs?
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Post by LakecrestSteeler » Tue Oct 15, 2024 7:36 pm

anpsteel wrote:
Tue Oct 15, 2024 5:48 pm
Apparently Tomlin is indicating Wilson is going to start.

People on social media are having a melt down

You would think Tomlin just murdered someone


Anyway, I'll tell you who should be happy, all the WR and all the RBs.

It may take a quarter or so, but the RBs will stop seeing so many stacked fronts, and the receivers will actually get passes thrown to them.

Now I'm going to make an assumption, and that is, Russ is allowed to audible out of shitty calls... so lets hope the OLine gets a little relief too.
Have to disagree on the stacked fronts part. At least JF loosened up the Edge discipline. Russ will have stacked fronts until he proves he can beat them. Harris and Warren will really be throwing themselves into the wall if Wilson starts for the next couple games. I don't think Tomlin has it in him to deploy an offensive game plan that will allow a QB to throw his way out of stacked fronts! LOL

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Post by LakecrestSteeler » Tue Oct 15, 2024 7:39 pm

anpsteel wrote:
Tue Oct 15, 2024 5:48 pm
Apparently Tomlin is indicating Wilson is going to start.

People on social media are having a melt down

You would think Tomlin just murdered someone


Anyway, I'll tell you who should be happy, all the WR and all the RBs.

It may take a quarter or so, but the RBs will stop seeing so many stacked fronts, and the receivers will actually get passes thrown to them.

Now I'm going to make an assumption, and that is, Russ is allowed to audible out of shitty calls... so lets hope the OLine gets a little relief too.
I also actually think that a blow-up on social media might cause Rooney to make some phone calls and let things be known. I'd bet $20 dollars on it. Social media gaffes and decreased foot traffic on the north shore are probably our only hope!

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Post by anpsteel » Tue Oct 15, 2024 7:42 pm

LakecrestSteeler wrote:
Tue Oct 15, 2024 7:36 pm
anpsteel wrote:
Tue Oct 15, 2024 5:48 pm
Apparently Tomlin is indicating Wilson is going to start.

People on social media are having a melt down

You would think Tomlin just murdered someone


Anyway, I'll tell you who should be happy, all the WR and all the RBs.

It may take a quarter or so, but the RBs will stop seeing so many stacked fronts, and the receivers will actually get passes thrown to them.

Now I'm going to make an assumption, and that is, Russ is allowed to audible out of shitty calls... so lets hope the OLine gets a little relief too.
Have to disagree on the stacked fronts part. At least JF loosened up the Edge discipline. Russ will have stacked fronts until he proves he can beat them. Harris and Warren will really be throwing themselves into the wall if Wilson starts for the next couple games. I don't think Tomlin has it in him to deploy an offensive game plan that will allow a QB to throw his way out of stacked fronts! LOL
I would imagine, that will take about 1 quarter.

Russ isn't what he was 5 years ago, be he can read the field, and knows where to go with the ball.

He does have shortcomings, no pun intended, in that- he greatly prefers to roll out, to have a better line of sight. This results in more sacks, but he doesn't have the ball security issues Fields has.

Anyway- hopefully we find out. I'm done with the Fields trial run.
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Post by K_C_ » Tue Oct 15, 2024 7:50 pm

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Anyway- hopefully we find out. I'm done with the Fields trial run.
Fair enough but it sure could have gone worse. Fields was one defensive stop on 4th down from being 5-1.
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Post by stairway 2 seven » Tue Oct 15, 2024 8:05 pm

I think its a good move if Tomlin goes thru with it. See what they have in both these qbs especially before the trade deadline. They need a real passing game to win in the playoffs (if they make it.)

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Post by CKSteeler » Tue Oct 15, 2024 8:13 pm

I'm torn. Could see Wilson being an upgrade to some extent passing.

Less sure it's time for a QB change or that Fields lost the job at this point. The lack of throws to the WR's has a lot to do with the talent at the position and the fact that Pickens is a fucking headcase.

The defense keeps talking about how good Wilson looks so we'll see. The locals are reporting Wilson is in line to start, as well, and all the reports have been that Tomlin was itching to get Wilson in there so I buy the report from SI.

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Post by StillerDownSouth » Tue Oct 15, 2024 8:21 pm

I don't see any downside to starting Wilson, maybe open the offense up a little, and use Fields some down in the redzone where his legs make a difference, I could see Fields getting 4-8 snaps every game.

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Post by StillerDownSouth » Tue Oct 15, 2024 8:24 pm

CKSteeler wrote:
Tue Oct 15, 2024 8:13 pm
I'm torn. Could see Wilson being an upgrade to some extent passing.

Less sure it's time for a QB change or that Fields lost the job at this point. The lack of throws to the WR's has a lot to do with the talent at the position and the fact that Pickens is a fucking headcase.

The defense keeps talking about how good Wilson looks so we'll see. The locals are reporting Wilson is in line to start, as well, and all the reports have been that Tomlin was itching to get Wilson in there so I buy the report from SI.

IDK if I agree with this, I've seen Fields miss CAIII several times and Muth, generally it seems that if the 1st option isn't there Fields is tucking the ball and not going through his progressions, and when he has gone through his progressions he has missed open guys, especially last week...50% completion percentage against the Raiders is pretty damning.

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Post by 955876 » Tue Oct 15, 2024 8:42 pm

StillerDownSouth wrote:
Tue Oct 15, 2024 8:21 pm
I don't see any downside to starting Wilson, maybe open the offense up a little, and use Fields some down in the redzone where his legs make a difference, I could see Fields getting 4-8 snaps every game.
Be a dead give away they are brining him in to run wouldn’t it?
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Post by drmalba » Tue Oct 15, 2024 9:00 pm

A slow, less mobile QB coming off of some kind of significant calf injury behind a patchwork OL against a very good front 7... With a bargain basement WR corps...that just sounds like the recipe for a slaughter.

The fact that Tomlin is even considering it tells me that they absolutely blame Fields in part for the lack of overall offensive stability and production. Even so, If you are really going to make this move, this just seems like a terrible week to do it.

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Post by K_C_ » Tue Oct 15, 2024 9:09 pm

drmalba wrote:
Tue Oct 15, 2024 9:00 pm
A slow, less mobile QB coming off of some kind of significant calf injury behind a patchwork OL against a very good front 7... With a bargain basement WR corps...that just sounds like the recipe for a slaughter.

The fact that Tomlin is even considering it tells me that they absolutely blame Fields in part for the lack of overall offensive stability and production. Even so, If you are really going to make this move, this just seems like a terrible week to do it.
This is exactly where I am.

If you were going to start Wilson, you have him start against a much less talented Raiders defense.

Let him "ease in", if you will and things of that nature.

This Jets defense is very, very good and they fucking fly around. Their DB's are fantastic.

Absolutely wrong team to throw a new QB in against, that's probably why Tomlin will do it.
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Post by anpsteel » Tue Oct 15, 2024 10:10 pm

K_C_ wrote:
Tue Oct 15, 2024 7:50 pm
anpsteel wrote:
Tue Oct 15, 2024 7:42 pm
Anyway- hopefully we find out. I'm done with the Fields trial run.
Fair enough but it sure could have gone worse. Fields was one defensive stop on 4th down from being 5-1.
Absolutely it could be worse

And Russ might be worse, but I want to find out.

Let’s find out now, if he can be that guy, because that’s the only chance of winning a playoff game. If Russ can be a true QB.


Fields may end up being a late bloomer, and a few years from now maybe he puts it all together. But that’s not today. That’s not this season.

Let’s see hat Russ can do. Give him a few games before the bye, and make your decision for the stretch run from there
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Post by anpsteel » Tue Oct 15, 2024 10:21 pm

drmalba wrote:
Tue Oct 15, 2024 9:00 pm

The fact that Tomlin is even considering it tells me that they absolutely blame Fields in part for the lack of overall offensive stability and production. Even so, If you are really going to make this move, this just seems like a terrible week to do it.
How could you not blame him


He’s the QB

He’s the one not seeing wide open receivers. Throwing too late, so the pass is incomplete

You can’t say Fields has played incredibly and ignore the anemic passing offense and glaring deficiencies within his game

Will Russ do better?

I don’t know. I think so, but maybe not.

He’s sure to be a better passer
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Post by Jizz Mop » Tue Oct 15, 2024 10:39 pm

I want whichever QB will make Sundays more painful to start

Don't want to enjoy games…..I like bamboo under my fingernails

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I’m curious to see if he can remain upright how Wilson fares

God knows we need some downfield completions

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Post by BouldernBun » Tue Oct 15, 2024 10:39 pm

Rather than being the answer I think Russ is just the other half of the Steelers quarterback frankenstein. The RW half can't run, will get sacked and probably hurt. Let the games begin!

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