Imo the draft is clear

[bradshaw2ben]

Unfortunately, to coin your phrase, on-brand as all get-out. Here's a question, does the fact that it probably blocks this move make you more or less happy that they signed Mooth to that kinda ridiculous extension?

Let's set aside what I think, because I don't think like them when it comes to TEs.

Warren is actually more a fit to replace Darnell Washington. IOW, he is more of a two-way TE type and while not as good a blacker as Washington, I'd expect the Steelers view would be that Warren is a better receiver. He's not––he's getting wide open looks from soft defenses worried about the run and also making tough catches in the middle of the filed that PIT won't even ask him to do. In order to move the needle, they need an upgrade to Heyward/Pruitt that might atually be a threat in the passing game. But I don't think there are that many targets to go around. My thought is that the one thing that might move the needle is if they could find a legit move TE who can block. They might get that guy some looks as WR3 and they might get him some targets that they're afraid to give to anyone else.

Does his name happen to be Harold Fannin Jr.?

Maybe

[OhioSteeler]

Let's set aside what I think, because I don't think like them when it comes to TEs.

Warren is actually more a fit to replace Darnell Washington. IOW, he is more of a two-way TE type and while not as good a blacker as Washington, I'd expect the Steelers view would be that Warren is a better receiver. He's not––he's getting wide open looks from soft defenses worried about the run and also making tough catches in the middle of the filed that PIT won't even ask him to do. In order to move the needle, they need an upgrade to Heyward/Pruitt that might atually be a threat in the passing game. But I don't think there are that many targets to go around. My thought is that the one thing that might move the needle is if they could find a legit move TE who can block. They might get that guy some looks as WR3 and they might get him some targets that they're afraid to give to anyone else.

Does his name happen to be Harold Fannin Jr.?

Maybe

OH standup haha

[955876]

Next season, Warren's touches are going to go way up

Begs the question why haven’t they gone up already?

Unfortunately, we run a DEI mandate offensively rather than using best player in a given situation.

Performance doesn’t warrant giving Connor Beyward touches. And yet there he is week after week opening g games.

Warren has shown to be the more explosive back. And yet week after week we run Najee into stacked boxes. Gotta elevate that young man after his rough childhood.

Then we gotta get Patterson his touches because he is tight with the OC.

Same goes for Myles Cole Pruitt.

Meanwhile, the TE we just gave $50 million to sits on the bench.

Meanwhile, the TE that made plays in the passing game several weeks in a row has become invisible. Not because he was failing to perform but because Myles Cole Pruitt got healthy.

Shit, if not for the team being forced to use Mike Williams he would not have even been in the game for that game winning TD catch.

We check boxes on offense before even considering how to best attack a defense.

[SteelerDayTrader]

Next season, Warren's touches are going to go way up

Begs the question why haven’t they gone up already?

Unfortunately, we run a DEI mandate offensively rather than using best player in a given situation.

Performance doesn’t warrant giving Connor Beyward touches. And yet there he is week after week opening g games.

Warren has shown to be the more explosive back. And yet week after week we run Najee into stacked boxes. Gotta elevate that young man after his rough childhood.

Then we gotta get Patterson his touches because he is tight with the OC.

Same goes for Myles Cole Pruitt.

Meanwhile, the TE we just gave $50 million to sits on the bench.

Meanwhile, the TE that made plays in the passing game several weeks in a row has become invisible. Not because he was failing to perform but because Myles Cole Pruitt got healthy.

Shit, if not for the team being forced to use Mike Williams he would not have even been in the game for that game winning TD catch.

We check boxes on offense before even considering how to best attack a defense.

[955876]

Care to elaborate on which parts you disagree with?

You think Connor Heyward should be on the field to start games?

You think he and Myles Cole Pruitt should be getting snaps over Muth and your boy Washington?

You like Patterson getting snaps over Warren?

You disagree that Williams was only in on that play because Austin was hurt.

[K_C_]

Next season, Warren's touches are going to go way up

Begs the question why haven’t they gone up already?

My opinion?

I think Warren's touches have been pretty limited because he's undersized and the Steelers fear he won't hold up if given bell cow level touches.

....and they're probably right. Also, Warren is a little looser with the ball than Najee is (which is ironic after Najee's huge, game altering fumble) and because Arthur Smith prefers to have a power back, ala Derrick Henry, so Warren may never get the kind of carries in Pittsburgh we'd like to see him get.

That's why they'll draft a back capable of doing what Najee does and I think they can get a guy like that pretty late. Hell, maybe @bradshaw2ben is right and they'll pull some kind of weird Jahmyr Gibbs type first round speed back and have him share carries with Warren, kind of like what the Lions were doing with Montgomery and Gibbs, who knows?

But while I'd like to see Warren's touches go up (and I'm sure they will once Najee is gone) I'm also concerned if the dude can hold up to getting hit a lot more. Warren is not a big dude.

[gojira5150]

Next season, Warren's touches are going to go way up

Begs the question why haven’t they gone up already?

My opinion?

I think Warren's touches have been pretty limited because he's undersized and the Steelers fear he won't hold up if given bell cow level touches.

....and they're probably right. Also, Warren is a little looser with the ball than Najee is (which is ironic after Najee's huge, game altering fumble) and because Arthur Smith prefers to have a power back, ala Derrick Henry, so Warren may never get the kind of carries in Pittsburgh we'd like to see him get.

That's why they'll draft a back capable of doing what Najee does and I think they can get a guy like that pretty late. Hell, maybe @bradshaw2ben is right and they'll pull some kind of weird Jahmyr Gibbs type first round speed back and have him share carries with Warren, kind of like what the Lions were doing with Montgomery and Gibbs, who knows?

But while I'd like to see Warren's touches go up (and I'm sure they will once Najee is gone) I'm also concerned if the dude can hold up to getting hit a lot more. Warren is not a big dude.

I sure hope the Cryboys throw big C2$ at Najee so Steelers can move on from him.

[K_C_]

Begs the question why haven’t they gone up already?

My opinion?

I think Warren's touches have been pretty limited because he's undersized and the Steelers fear he won't hold up if given bell cow level touches.

....and they're probably right. Also, Warren is a little looser with the ball than Najee is (which is ironic after Najee's huge, game altering fumble) and because Arthur Smith prefers to have a power back, ala Derrick Henry, so Warren may never get the kind of carries in Pittsburgh we'd like to see him get.

That's why they'll draft a back capable of doing what Najee does and I think they can get a guy like that pretty late. Hell, maybe @bradshaw2ben is right and they'll pull some kind of weird Jahmyr Gibbs type first round speed back and have him share carries with Warren, kind of like what the Lions were doing with Montgomery and Gibbs, who knows?

But while I'd like to see Warren's touches go up (and I'm sure they will once Najee is gone) I'm also concerned if the dude can hold up to getting hit a lot more. Warren is not a big dude.

I sure hope the Cryboys throw big C2$ at Najee so Steelers can move on from him.

If the Steelers wanted to retain Harris, they would have extended him.

He wouldn't have cost a ridiculous amount and the Steelers didn't try very hard to make a deal.

It's pretty clear Arthur Smith believes that while Harris is a good NFL back, he's not elite in any one area and the Steelers will move on to a younger power back to pair with Warren (and maybe Patterson again too.)

I think Najee is done in Pittsburgh no matter how well he does from here on out.

That fumble......Jesus Christ was that a killer. I can't hate Najee too much for that because he almost never puts the ball on the ground but the timing for him especially, was awful.

[955876]

My opinion?

I think Warren's touches have been pretty limited because he's undersized and the Steelers fear he won't hold up if given bell cow level touches.

Could be.

[OhioSteeler]

Not necessarily saying I agree with it, but I have a feeling Kaleb Johnson will be their draft crush.

[gojira5150]

Not necessarily saying I agree with it, but I have a feeling Kaleb Johnson will be their draft crush.

As long as they don't take him in the 1st RD. Dude can run, has speed & vision.

[OhioSteeler]

Not necessarily saying I agree with it, but I have a feeling Kaleb Johnson will be their draft crush.

As long as they don't take him in the 1st RD. Dude can run, has speed & vision.

I feel like he checks boxes for them. Young, doesn't have a ton of carries and I think he can thrive in the zone system that Smith seems to love...plus he's from OH (that's a point for me haha).

I think the depth at RB for the draft should push him down nicely.

[smithessmokin]

I couldn’t disagree more.

1. WR #2
The offense can’t do shit without Pickens. We need someone who can complement Pickens and step up if Pickens is injured and or not retained long term.

2. DL
I look at this and say we need another starting caliber defensive tackle. Cameron Heyward has been playing better this year, but we need another young buck that can come in and dominate.

3. RB #1
If you want a dominant ground game, go draft a dominant back. Najee should not be retained, he is not a fit for this offense. Warren is proving effective, but I dominant back would really propel this offense forward.

4. CB #2
To be clear, I really like what Donte Jackson has been able to do this year for us. However, he’s a free agent, so we may need to replace him even though I suspect he’ll be back on a pretty affordable deal.

[SteelerDayTrader]

I couldn’t disagree more.

1. WR #2
The offense can’t do shit without Pickens. We need someone who can complement Pickens and step up if Pickens is injured and or not retained long term.

2. DL
I look at this and say we need another starting caliber defensive tackle. Cameron Heyward has been playing better this year, but we need another young buck that can come in and dominate.

3. RB #1
If you want a dominant ground game, go draft a dominant back. Najee should not be retained, he is not a fit for this offense. Warren is proving effective, but I dominant back would really propel this offense forward.

4. CB #2
To be clear, I really like what Donte Jackson has been able to do this year for us. However, he’s a free agent, so we may need to replace him even though I suspect he’ll be back on a pretty affordable deal.

You wanna put a rd 1 draft pick on a WR ??

The Steelers have one of the best WRs in the NFL and they rarely even target him

Much less have any intention of trying to win games with offense

The punt down 2 scores late was so typical Steelers

Including the defensive collapse led by Low Watt and Scam among others

Of course if the Steelers got smart they’d trade Low Watt for picks draft Cam Ward AND a premium WR AAAND fill in a good portion of the defense

Fat fucking chance of that happening

[Ice]

Begs the question why haven’t they gone up already?

My opinion?

I think Warren's touches have been pretty limited because he's undersized and the Steelers fear he won't hold up if given bell cow level touches.

....and they're probably right. Also, Warren is a little looser with the ball than Najee is (which is ironic after Najee's huge, game altering fumble) and because Arthur Smith prefers to have a power back, ala Derrick Henry, so Warren may never get the kind of carries in Pittsburgh we'd like to see him get.

That's why they'll draft a back capable of doing what Najee does and I think they can get a guy like that pretty late. Hell, maybe @bradshaw2ben is right and they'll pull some kind of weird Jahmyr Gibbs type first round speed back and have him share carries with Warren, kind of like what the Lions were doing with Montgomery and Gibbs, who knows?

But while I'd like to see Warren's touches go up (and I'm sure they will once Najee is gone) I'm also concerned if the dude can hold up to getting hit a lot more. Warren is not a big dude.

I sure hope the Cryboys throw big C2$ at Najee so Steelers can move on from him.

So, we want the illusion of Henry, so we draft Najee, and then the Pokes are so mad they whiffed on Henry in FA that they sign Najee? Circle of life

[Deebo]

I couldn’t disagree more.

1. WR #2
The offense can’t do shit without Pickens. We need someone who can complement Pickens and step up if Pickens is injured and or not retained long term.

2. DL
I look at this and say we need another starting caliber defensive tackle. Cameron Heyward has been playing better this year, but we need another young buck that can come in and dominate.

3. RB #1
If you want a dominant ground game, go draft a dominant back. Najee should not be retained, he is not a fit for this offense. Warren is proving effective, but I dominant back would really propel this offense forward.

4. CB #2
To be clear, I really like what Donte Jackson has been able to do this year for us. However, he’s a free agent, so we may need to replace him even though I suspect he’ll be back on a pretty affordable deal.

You wanna put a rd 1 draft pick on a WR ??

The Steelers have one of the best WRs in the NFL and they rarely even target him

Much less have any intention of trying to win games with offense

The punt down 2 scores late was so typical Steelers

Including the defensive collapse led by Low Watt and Scam among others

Of course if the Steelers got smart they’d trade Low Watt for picks draft Cam Ward AND a premium WR AAAND fill in a good portion of the defense

Fat fucking chance of that happening

Have to hedge your bets that :

a) Pickens doesn't resign here
b) He gets injured again

They absolutely MUST rebuild the WR depth. Because right now it's Pickens and a bunch of scrubs who'd be 3-5WRs on most other teams.

[bradshaw2ben]

Not necessarily saying I agree with it, but I have a feeling Kaleb Johnson will be their draft crush.

As long as they don't take him in the 1st RD. Dude can run, has speed & vision.

I think lack of vision is the knock on him. I haven’t watched him enough to have an opinion. He’s big and fast for sure.

[bradshaw2ben]

They should just get deck chairs to replace all the WRs. Then they can rearrange as they like.

[SteelerDayTrader]

I couldn’t disagree more.

1. WR #2
The offense can’t do shit without Pickens. We need someone who can complement Pickens and step up if Pickens is injured and or not retained long term.

2. DL
I look at this and say we need another starting caliber defensive tackle. Cameron Heyward has been playing better this year, but we need another young buck that can come in and dominate.

3. RB #1
If you want a dominant ground game, go draft a dominant back. Najee should not be retained, he is not a fit for this offense. Warren is proving effective, but I dominant back would really propel this offense forward.

4. CB #2
To be clear, I really like what Donte Jackson has been able to do this year for us. However, he’s a free agent, so we may need to replace him even though I suspect he’ll be back on a pretty affordable deal.

You wanna put a rd 1 draft pick on a WR ??

The Steelers have one of the best WRs in the NFL and they rarely even target him

Much less have any intention of trying to win games with offense

The punt down 2 scores late was so typical Steelers

Including the defensive collapse led by Low Watt and Scam among others

Of course if the Steelers got smart they’d trade Low Watt for picks draft Cam Ward AND a premium WR AAAND fill in a good portion of the defense

Fat fucking chance of that happening

Have to hedge your bets that :

a) Pickens doesn't resign here
b) He gets injured again

They absolutely MUST rebuild the WR depth. Because right now it's Pickens and a bunch of scrubs who'd be 3-5WRs on most other teams.

You can draft great WRs later

Why bother spending top 100 draft capital on a position you don’t know how to use correctly, and you and most of your fanbase actively work against ??

Plenty of WRs later in this draft for the Steelers

And. Truth be told I’m not sure most of the top WRs in this draft wouldn’t be a round or two later most other years

[SteelerDayTrader]

They should just get deck chairs to replace all the WRs. Then they can rearrange as they like.

Might as well.

You know as well as I do it won’t matter who the Steelers draft at WR the offense will be the same

This ship is made of steel. It will never sink

[955876]

I couldn’t disagree more.

1. WR #2
The offense can’t do shit without Pickens. We need someone who can complement Pickens and step up if Pickens is injured and or not retained long term.

2. DL
I look at this and say we need another starting caliber defensive tackle. Cameron Heyward has been playing better this year, but we need another young buck that can come in and dominate.

3. RB #1
If you want a dominant ground game, go draft a dominant back. Najee should not be retained, he is not a fit for this offense. Warren is proving effective, but I dominant back would really propel this offense forward.

4. CB #2
To be clear, I really like what Donte Jackson has been able to do this year for us. However, he’s a free agent, so we may need to replace him even though I suspect he’ll be back on a pretty affordable deal.

You wanna put a rd 1 draft pick on a WR ??

The Steelers have one of the best WRs in the NFL and they rarely even target him

Much less have any intention of trying to win games with offense

The punt down 2 scores late was so typical Steelers

Including the defensive collapse led by Low Watt and Scam among others

Of course if the Steelers got smart they’d trade Low Watt for picks draft Cam Ward AND a premium WR AAAND fill in a good portion of the defense

Fat fucking chance of that happening

If it’s how the team chooses to play offensive football what good does trading Low Watt do to draft a QB and WR?

Wouldn’t they still be punting on 4th down while behind two scores after not targeting that WR much earlier in the game?

Hmmmmm

[955876]

You know as well as I do it won’t matter who the Steelers draft at WR the offense will be the same

So then why trade Watt if the results will just be the same?

[SteelerDayTrader]

The bottom line with Low Watt is this

He’s worth more in draft picks than what he delivers

[955876]

But is he though? Especially given Jibb’s record without Watt.

I’m just trying to understand the logic here. On one hand you say it doesn’t matter who we draft at WR given how the Steelers choose to play offensive football.

Then on the other hand you say trade Watt and then draft a WR.

Not very consistent logic.

[SteelerDayTrader]

But is he though? Especially given Jibb’s record without Watt.

I’m just trying to understand the logic here. On one hand you say it doesn’t matter who we draft at WR given how the Steelers choose to play offensive football.

Then on the other hand you say trade Watt and then draft a WR.

Not very consistent logic.

False

[anpsteel]

This coach, and this offensive scheme, do not prioritize the passing game enough, to merit a first round pick on a WR.

That being said, I don't want to use a first round pick on a RB, either.


The first round, for this team, should be either line, or anywhere on defense, based upon need and available players, imo.

[Deebo]

This coach, and this offensive scheme, do not prioritize the passing game enough, to merit a first round pick on a WR.

That being said, I don't want to use a first round pick on a RB, either.


The first round, for this team, should be either line, or anywhere on defense, based upon need and available players, imo.

The more this team loses games without Pickens available, the higher the likelihood we spend a Rd 1 pick on a WR

[anpsteel]

This coach, and this offensive scheme, do not prioritize the passing game enough, to merit a first round pick on a WR.

That being said, I don't want to use a first round pick on a RB, either.


The first round, for this team, should be either line, or anywhere on defense, based upon need and available players, imo.

The more this team loses games without Pickens available, the higher the likelihood we spend a Rd 1 pick on a WR

I don’t completely disagree because they will make illogical moves

But aside from the offense not prioritizing the passing game, there is zero chance they pay two first round wide receivers a C2

Also add to it, receivers very rarely have much if any impact their rookie year

You have to assume Tomlin is operating on a limited time

So, imo, any additional wide receiver coming on is going to do so as a free agent

[W&M_Steeler]

This coach, and this offensive scheme, do not prioritize the passing game enough, to merit a first round pick on a WR.

That being said, I don't want to use a first round pick on a RB, either.


The first round, for this team, should be either line, or anywhere on defense, based upon need and available players, imo.

The more this team loses games without Pickens available, the higher the likelihood we spend a Rd 1 pick on a WR

I think we need to take another OT in the first round, just in case.

[Steeldrama]

You have to assume Tomlin is operating on a limited time

Huh?

“Tomlin has more job security than the pope”

Dude has all the time in the world