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Post by K_C_ » Wed Jan 15, 2025 11:40 pm

Fields would be my pick to the next year's starting QB for a few easy reasons.

1) He's still young and is one of the best runners in the NFL. Obviously has a cannon for an arm.

2) Either Fields develops into a special player or the Steelers have a season that many here have wanted them to have for a long time. A 4-13 type of season which could put them into position to draft (hopefully) the next franchise QB.

Also, I think it was @bradshaw2ben who said this, but I could be wrong on that but someone said that each year the Steelers should roll the dice on an athletic QB, no matter the round, until they hit paydirt.

I happen to agree with that plan and would take, if he were there in either the late 2nd or 3rd, Jalen Milroe. Sure, dude is a lot like Justin Fields but nearly everybody (me included) said the same thing about Lamar. "He's too inaccurate a passer and will never develop enough in that area to be elite." I'm sure I wrote something like that several times after the Ravens took Jackson with the last pick in the first round.

I think I might have been wrong on that one.
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Post by langer » Wed Jan 15, 2025 11:45 pm

Drama every year.
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Post by bradshaw2ben » Thu Jan 16, 2025 12:29 am

K_C_ wrote:
Wed Jan 15, 2025 11:40 pm
Fields would be my pick to the next year's starting QB for a few easy reasons.

1) He's still young and is one of the best runners in the NFL. Obviously has a cannon for an arm.

2) Either Fields develops into a special player or the Steelers have a season that many here have wanted them to have for a long time. A 4-13 type of season which could put them into position to draft (hopefully) the next franchise QB.

Also, I think it was @bradshaw2ben who said this, but I could be wrong on that but someone said that each year the Steelers should roll the dice on an athletic QB, no matter the round, until they hit paydirt.

I happen to agree with that plan and would take, if he were there in either the late 2nd or 3rd, Jalen Milroe. Sure, dude is a lot like Justin Fields but nearly everybody (me included) said the same thing about Lamar. "He's too inaccurate a passer and will never develop enough in that area to be elite." I'm sure I wrote something like that several times after the Ravens took Jackson with the last pick in the first round.

I think I might have been wrong on that one.
Not really into "athletic" QBs, which is really a code word for QBs who aren't great passers but make up for it by running.

What I always say is you have to keep trying until you get one, and don't be afraid to ditch one and move on once you've seen who he is/can be. For that reason I'm not really interested in Justin Fields returning, although there have been worse options floated. I wouldn't draft Jalen Milroe in a million years for what he's going to cost.

Also, a related bit of B2B truism: don't draft a QB unless you think he can be elite OR you need a backup QB and you want to save some money vs signing a vet backup. So, if you draft a guy who doesn't have elite upside–as a passer–, then don't use a top 100 pick. And definitely don't pay a guy top 2/3 of the NFL starting QB money unless he's on the verge of becoming a playoff-winning, super bowl contending QB for you (that rules out Fields).

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Post by NCsteelerSU » Thu Jan 16, 2025 1:22 am

Preach Rob!!!!!




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Post by steelmann58 » Thu Jan 16, 2025 2:51 am

Sign Justin and draft McCord late and hope we can get a one in 2026

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Post by Steelperch » Thu Jan 16, 2025 2:57 am

The Steelers can’t score with the top teams. Justin Fields couldn’t score points here or in Chicago. He isn’t an NFL passer. Defense and running with Fields can carve out 9 wins, which is the real goal of the franchise. A winning team and job security for Tomlin.

They have two real options at this point.
1. Identify a QB in the draft and trade way up to get him
2. Tear it down and rebuild. Fail for a season and get the QB next year.

I’d roll with Kyle Allen this year, trade off any older guys I can get a premium pick for and start over. Obviously flushing Tomlin now or after next season, if you will, is the goal.

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Post by swissvale72 » Thu Jan 16, 2025 3:25 am

NCsteelerSU wrote:
Thu Jan 16, 2025 1:22 am
Preach Rob!!!!!




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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KyF8PZE2Yk
Fred Flintstone...perfect!!

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Post by SteelerDayTrader » Thu Jan 16, 2025 3:51 am

Steelperch wrote:
Thu Jan 16, 2025 2:57 am
The Steelers can’t score with the top teams. Justin Fields couldn’t score points here or in Chicago. He isn’t an NFL passer. Defense and running with Fields can carve out 9 wins, which is the real goal of the franchise. A winning team and job security for Tomlin.

They have two real options at this point.
1. Identify a QB in the draft and trade way up to get him
2. Tear it down and rebuild. Fail for a season and get the QB next year.

I’d roll with Kyle Allen this year, trade off any older guys I can get a premium pick for and start over. Obviously flushing Tomlin now or after next season, if you will, is the goal.
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Post by NCsteelerSU » Thu Jan 16, 2025 4:54 am

I hear ya perch but Tomlin aint fucking with losing nhals...no way bro.

Win just enough, make some dumbass quotes and stay black, he's good.

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Post by K_C_ » Thu Jan 16, 2025 11:07 am

Steelperch wrote:
Thu Jan 16, 2025 2:57 am
The Steelers can’t score with the top teams. Justin Fields couldn’t score points here or in Chicago. He isn’t an NFL passer. Defense and running with Fields can carve out 9 wins, which is the real goal of the franchise. A winning team and job security for Tomlin.

They have two real options at this point.
1. Identify a QB in the draft and trade way up to get him
2. Tear it down and rebuild. Fail for a season and get the QB next year.

I’d roll with Kyle Allen this year, trade off any older guys I can get a premium pick for and start over. Obviously flushing Tomlin now or after next season, if you will, is the goal.
Option 1) No way the Steelers have the draft capital to trade up high enough to grab one of the top QB's in this draft. It's a guy like Milroe early, or dudes like Will Howard, Kurtis Rourke or Kyle McCord later. End of story. They are not coming away with a day one starter this April. No way. No how.

Option 2) I wish people would quit mentioning tearing it down and rebuilding. Mike Tomlin will not do this. The only thing he's accomplished the last 15 + years is the NHALS. That is all he has. I hate Tomlin but if I were him, I'd fucking run it back in some form too because again, the NHALS is all the guy has.

With the way the team finished 2024, I don't think Fields is a lock to get them 9 wins. Not with the way the defense played and with Tomlin probably forcing Arthur Smith (who likely cannot wait to get out of town) to play it close to the vest and run Tomlin's patented "run, run, pass" attack.

Either Fields takes his game to the next level or the Steelers win 4 or 5 games. It's that simple.

You know damn well Mike Tomlin isn't rolling with Kyle Allen. Russ will be back before he rolls with Kyle Allen.
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Post by jebrick » Thu Jan 16, 2025 1:05 pm

They could do the unSteeler like thing of trading down to get picks in 2026 when there are much better QBs but that is not happening.
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Post by W&M_Steeler » Thu Jan 16, 2025 2:05 pm

Fields played one good half this season, the second half of the Colts game. Otherwise, he lead a totally moribund offense. The Steelers didn't really have a passing offense when Fields played. For all his flaws, I think the Steelers beat the Cowboys and Colts had Russ played.

Neither Russ nor Fields is the long term answer. Short term I don't really think it matters- both are too flawed to turn the Steelers into something other than the pretenders they were this year. I just hope the Steelers are smart enough to not hamper the team for the longer term by giving Fields a stupid large contract. He should be getting a little more than Mason Rudolph type money.

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Post by langer » Thu Jan 16, 2025 3:56 pm

Fields is a bad slash.
"We, as an offensive collective were off today, and certainly, he's a component of that,"

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Post by Deebo » Thu Jan 16, 2025 3:57 pm

Steelperch wrote:
Thu Jan 16, 2025 2:57 am
The Steelers can’t score with the top teams. Justin Fields couldn’t score points here or in Chicago. He isn’t an NFL passer. Defense and running with Fields can carve out 9 wins, which is the real goal of the franchise. A winning team and job security for Tomlin.

They have two real options at this point.
1. Identify a QB in the draft and trade way up to get him
2. Tear it down and rebuild. Fail for a season and get the QB next year.

I’d roll with Kyle Allen this year, trade off any older guys I can get a premium pick for and start over. Obviously flushing Tomlin now or after next season, if you will, is the goal.
Thank you. Justin Fields is a tremendous athlete who sucks at processing the game and throwing the football with any touch.

He'll never make it as a starter in the NFL. Top tier backup, but never a starter. He's in the tier of Minshew/Brisset/etc.

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Post by gojira5150 » Thu Jan 16, 2025 5:24 pm

K_C_ wrote:
Wed Jan 15, 2025 11:40 pm
Fields would be my pick to the next year's starting QB for a few easy reasons.

1) He's still young and is one of the best runners in the NFL. Obviously has a cannon for an arm.

2) Either Fields develops into a special player or the Steelers have a season that many here have wanted them to have for a long time. A 4-13 type of season which could put them into position to draft (hopefully) the next franchise QB.

Also, I think it was @bradshaw2ben who said this, but I could be wrong on that but someone said that each year the Steelers should roll the dice on an athletic QB, no matter the round, until they hit paydirt.

I happen to agree with that plan and would take, if he were there in either the late 2nd or 3rd, Jalen Milroe. Sure, dude is a lot like Justin Fields but nearly everybody (me included) said the same thing about Lamar. "He's too inaccurate a passer and will never develop enough in that area to be elite." I'm sure I wrote something like that several times after the Ravens took Jackson with the last pick in the first round.

I think I might have been wrong on that one.
I remember you blasting LJ and wanted no parts of drafting him. I actually wanted LJ and was PO'd when they took Terrell Edmunds :evil: :twisted: :evil: :twisted:
I can't believe we passed on LJ to draft Edmunds, Unbelievable. I see what you are saying about Milroe. Taking a flyer on him late 2nd or 3rd is not as horrible I guess. Only issue I have is Jibba has Not and will Not develop a QB.
Harbaugh installed LJ halfway thru his rookie season and changed the offense on the fly to accommodate for his unique skill set. Jibba could NEVER do this as it takes coaching
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Post by K_C_ » Thu Jan 16, 2025 6:07 pm

gojira5150 wrote:
Thu Jan 16, 2025 5:24 pm
K_C_ wrote:
Wed Jan 15, 2025 11:40 pm
Fields would be my pick to the next year's starting QB for a few easy reasons.

1) He's still young and is one of the best runners in the NFL. Obviously has a cannon for an arm.

2) Either Fields develops into a special player or the Steelers have a season that many here have wanted them to have for a long time. A 4-13 type of season which could put them into position to draft (hopefully) the next franchise QB.

Also, I think it was @bradshaw2ben who said this, but I could be wrong on that but someone said that each year the Steelers should roll the dice on an athletic QB, no matter the round, until they hit paydirt.

I happen to agree with that plan and would take, if he were there in either the late 2nd or 3rd, Jalen Milroe. Sure, dude is a lot like Justin Fields but nearly everybody (me included) said the same thing about Lamar. "He's too inaccurate a passer and will never develop enough in that area to be elite." I'm sure I wrote something like that several times after the Ravens took Jackson with the last pick in the first round.

I think I might have been wrong on that one.
I remember you blasting LJ and wanted no parts of drafting him. I actually wanted LJ and was PO'd when they took Terrell Edmunds :evil: :twisted: :evil: :twisted:
I can't believe we passed on LJ to draft Edmunds, Unbelievable. I see what you are saying about Milroe. Taking a flyer on him late 2nd or 3rd is not as horrible I guess. Only issue I have is Jibba has Not and will Not develop a QB.
Harbaugh installed LJ halfway thru his rookie season and changed the offense on the fly to accommodate for his unique skill set. Jibba could NEVER do this as it takes coaching
You could be right that I blasted Lamar, but I don't quite remember things that way (if anyone has a way to access the draft talk from that time period, please post a link) because I remember being in the camp of; "no way they even consider Jackson, he'd be a perceived threat to Ben and I don't see any way they'd do that."

The reason I don't remember hammering Lamar (admittedly, I NEVER thought he'd turn into a superstar) was because I remember having disagreements with folks here (Jeemie for sure was one of them) who were in the; "No chance Lamar develops as a passer" camp, while I can vividly remember telling people; "Hang on here....if this dude figures out the passing thing at all, the league is going to be in big trouble."

Jackson showed some signs, obviously not consistently, of superb passing and I remember being pretty fucking worried he'd develop and others assuring me that wasn't going to happen.

I'd love to see some threads from the draft when Lamar was chosen and from when he took over for Flacco. Don't know if those would still be accessible.
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Post by gojira5150 » Thu Jan 16, 2025 6:35 pm

K_C_ wrote:
Thu Jan 16, 2025 6:07 pm
gojira5150 wrote:
Thu Jan 16, 2025 5:24 pm
K_C_ wrote:
Wed Jan 15, 2025 11:40 pm
Fields would be my pick to the next year's starting QB for a few easy reasons.

1) He's still young and is one of the best runners in the NFL. Obviously has a cannon for an arm.

2) Either Fields develops into a special player or the Steelers have a season that many here have wanted them to have for a long time. A 4-13 type of season which could put them into position to draft (hopefully) the next franchise QB.

Also, I think it was @bradshaw2ben who said this, but I could be wrong on that but someone said that each year the Steelers should roll the dice on an athletic QB, no matter the round, until they hit paydirt.

I happen to agree with that plan and would take, if he were there in either the late 2nd or 3rd, Jalen Milroe. Sure, dude is a lot like Justin Fields but nearly everybody (me included) said the same thing about Lamar. "He's too inaccurate a passer and will never develop enough in that area to be elite." I'm sure I wrote something like that several times after the Ravens took Jackson with the last pick in the first round.

I think I might have been wrong on that one.
I remember you blasting LJ and wanted no parts of drafting him. I actually wanted LJ and was PO'd when they took Terrell Edmunds :evil: :twisted: :evil: :twisted:
I can't believe we passed on LJ to draft Edmunds, Unbelievable. I see what you are saying about Milroe. Taking a flyer on him late 2nd or 3rd is not as horrible I guess. Only issue I have is Jibba has Not and will Not develop a QB.
Harbaugh installed LJ halfway thru his rookie season and changed the offense on the fly to accommodate for his unique skill set. Jibba could NEVER do this as it takes coaching
You could be right that I blasted Lamar, but I don't quite remember things that way (if anyone has a way to access the draft talk from that time period, please post a link) because I remember being in the camp of; "no way they even consider Jackson, he'd be a perceived threat to Ben and I don't see any way they'd do that."

The reason I don't remember hammering Lamar (admittedly, I NEVER thought he'd turn into a superstar) was because I remember having disagreements with folks here (Jeemie for sure was one of them) who were in the; "No chance Lamar develops as a passer" camp, while I can vividly remember telling people; "Hang on here....if this dude figures out the passing thing at all, the league is going to be in big trouble."

Jackson showed some signs, obviously not consistently, of superb passing and I remember being pretty fucking worried he'd develop and others assuring me that wasn't going to happen.

I'd love to see some threads from the draft when Lamar was chosen and from when he took over for Flacco. Don't know if those would still be accessible.
Actually, you are correct. Others were blasting him and did not want him. Too bad Jibba (Colbert) did not want to upset Ben. Packers have no issue with that and have set them up for over 2 decades of amazing QB play
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Post by Obviously » Fri Jan 17, 2025 2:39 am

When (If) Lamar Jackson wins a Super Bowl, then I will consider him elite.

Is he light years better than the flotsam and jetsam the Steelers have had behind center since Ben retired? Of course.
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Post by AirRescueFF » Fri Jan 17, 2025 4:19 am

More drama.

https://x.com/Alex_Kozora/status/188006 ... _aPPw&s=19

Makes me hate Dunce even more.

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Post by Gonzo » Fri Jan 17, 2025 4:28 pm

Justin Fileds at QB and Smith back at OC tells you all you need to know -- if it happens
They will REFUSE to acknowledge their Plan is wrong -- even on the fringes

and if the above comes to pass -- I wont watch nexct year

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Post by langer » Fri Jan 17, 2025 5:21 pm

AARRRRGGHHHH


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Post by Gonzo » Sat Jan 18, 2025 8:15 pm

langer wrote:
Thu Jan 16, 2025 3:56 pm
Fields is a bad slash.
don’t insult slash with fields comparisons
it’s like comparing mendenhall to FWP

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Post by Gonzo » Sat Jan 18, 2025 8:19 pm

i liked LJ as a draft pick. his athleticism is freakish - fields isn’t like him - and i always liked that he appeared to have a real love of football. unlike fields he appears to be able to see the field and process information as he moves. yes, he isn’t a fantastic passer and is hard to beat when they lead but not great in the comeback

but we will see soon if he has progressed

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